My Ultralight Mountain Waterproofs - Arcteryx Beta SL & Zeta SL

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Күн бұрын

From trail running in light drizzle, to gale force storms at over 3,000 feet, these waterproofs have kept Ben dry through thick and thin in the Scottish Highlands.
As one of the wettest places in Europe, we get our fair share of rain, so a trustworthy hard shell and rain pants are essential pieces of kit on every camp, hike, run or wander out in the hills.
Bens been putting these two items through their paces for well over a year, both having seen hundreds of miles, thousands of feet of ascent, numerous storms, brutal wind, snow, ice and everything in between.
Watch on to learn the pros and cons of the Arc'Teryx Beta SL Hybrid Jacket & Zeta SL Trousers and whether or not we’d recommend them for serious mountain use.
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@Foresthugger. 14 күн бұрын

Beautiful video my friend! No sugar coating getting to the point ✌🏼

@anandai3480 3 жыл бұрын

Wow the audio with the rain sounds and your voice still really clear is perfect*chef's kiss

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Why thank you, we’re definitely not short of rain here in the Highlands 😂👌🏼

@Iresellstuff 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Stumbled across it looking for a review after I found a Beta SL Hybrid in a shop next to the campsite I just stayed at this week! Managed to grab it for £170 due to a pinhole that I’ve now repaired - I think I got a steal! I’m now a subscriber too so I’ll work my way through the rest of the videos. Cheers!

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Harry! That is definitely a bargain, it’s a solid jacket. Hope you enjoy the other vids! Cheers Ben & Megs 😊

@SatoruBob 2 жыл бұрын

Great video mate! It made me buy this jacket last week and can't wait to wear it during hiking the West Highland Way in september.

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Really glad you found it useful! I am confident it will do you well on the WHW. Enjoy the hike, it’s a brilliant trail. We live not too far from it. Thanks for watching and for the lovely comment. 😊

@victoriasylenko9382 Жыл бұрын

I'm very happy with my jacket Beta SL! Wearing it all year round . Durable, light weight, wind proof, water proof and breathable :)

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

That’s brilliant! It’s a great jacket 🙌🏼😊

@connorpowell8222 2 жыл бұрын

amazing review thanks man just bought mine and it’s in the mail can’t wait 👍

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I hope you enjoy using them, I am confident you will, they are top notch. What colours you go with? Appreciate you watching and commenting. Take care, Ben.

@user-yj4bt8mw4t 2 жыл бұрын

Great video homie winter is coming and needed a light waterproof jacket that will do it’s job 100% and keep me dry and this review was perfect, sending love from NYC❤️🗽

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Winter is coming indeed. Sending much love right back from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ⛰ Appreciate you watching and commenting. ☺️

@stuartwilson1613 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that one Ben, I thought it was a really helpful gear review. Personally I do need/ or at least would like new waterproofs but am trying to hold off until I can actually go into a shop again. In the meantime I have finally learnt how important it is to re-proof and revitalise waterproofs, as you indeed emphasise in your video. I know we are in lockdown so travelling is out but hopefully you have managed to get out & about in your local hills and have been enjoying this good spell of winter weather we are having. I think we live pretty close by and pretty much share the same local climate and yes it is pretty darn wet, but then again when its good it is really good. Its a bit late for Merry Christmas but here's wishing you both a very safe and happy new year, cheers.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Stuart, thanks for watching! Always good to try stuff on, I order most of my bits online normally anyway because you tend to find the best bargains online, sizing is always a pain though. Indeed reproofing regularly is a game changer right! Nothing like that lovely sight of water beading off your jacket! We are out in the hills most days, lucky to live right in them. You in the Southern Highlands? We love it, weather and all! 🙌🏼 Merry Christmas and happy new year mate.

@stuartwilson1613 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Hi, Yep I stay just down Loch Long in the village of Ardentinny, moved here from England over forty years ago now so can't be too bad. Happy New Year.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Really close to us then! I run to ardentinny pretty regularly. The pub there does good pizzas to, when it’s open.. We are so glad we moved here! Just love it.

@stuartwilson1613 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue I thought you may stay in Arrochar but that would be quite a run to A'tinny, maybe you are closer, Carrick perhaps. given the pace you two set on your hikes I imagine you run pretty fast too but I will def' give you a shout if I see you flying by. ATB

@K9OutdoorsSearchTeam 3 жыл бұрын

Its all I wear, had other clothing brands but Arcteryx last for decades, I have a SV jacket that is a good 20 years old that I use for mountain biking, its starting to fall to bits but still is waterproof, I have only reproofed it about twice in the 20 years too.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you, Arcteryx is just top notch. I have an alpha AR jacket that has been battered to within an inch of its life and is about 4 years old and literally still works amazingly. I like their tolerances on things like micro seam taking and stitching to, just really worth the money in my opinion.

@MobileAura 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue I’ve never regretting buying top of the line, ever. In fact I always regret buying low-end things, it costs me more money/headache in the long run.

@dougieranger 2 жыл бұрын

Have to agree, I’ve had an Alpha jacket for, I think, around 11 years now and it’s still in near perfect condition, they’re bombproof. 👍🏼

@paulatterby7507 Жыл бұрын

Love arcteryx stuff, have an alpha sv jacket and an alpha fl jacket. Had both for at least six years and look, perform great. Yes expensive but I think Arcteryx really care about their products.

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

Hey Paul, happy new year! We absolutely agree, you do generally get what you pay for and the Arcteryx stuff we’ve had over the years has always been top notch.

@matsmith1984 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, guys! I'm desperately in need of a new wterproof. I've been using a North Face one for a bit toooo long and I think it's really coming to the end of it's life but more so, it's not great for extended hiking - a bit too 'bin-bag-sweatfest' if you know what I mean. Think I might take the hit and get an Arcteryx hardshell. I agree their stuff is very pricey compared to other brands but so far the gear I do have from them has lasted and lasted.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate! Highly recommend the Arcteryx shells, as with a lot of things you do get what you pay for largely. Have had many of them over the years and they are always top notch. Their running jackets look tasty too, I fancy trying a Gortex shake dry jacket. The amount of waterproofs you need in our area is hilarious!! Wales isn’t exactly dry either! Cheers for commenting btw. ☺️

@johnclarkbrost Жыл бұрын

Quick update. Arcteryx would not publish the same review that I posted on this site. While the review was on balance negative regarding the durability of the product and the firms service, it was polite and fact based. I guess that tells you all you need to know about the firm and their business ethics.

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

Hi John that’s a shame and also interesting as the Arcteryx site does usually have some negative reviews if you read through them.

@JamesWaddington86 3 жыл бұрын

Great review! I see the watch is still going strong? It would be really cool if you did a video about why you started ticking off Munros and how you've approached them (like do you have an order or do you just take whats most convenient or interesting at the time?)

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching James! The watch is still going well, really like it a lot. It’s not perfect for sure, but some of the features are just so good. Battery is a pain though.. As to the Munro’s we will definitely do a video about them and planning etc, just still pretty busy doing them! ☺️

@jeffrey5921 Жыл бұрын

Hey, Im new to arcteryx jackets. I've recently gotten attention into the beta SL and I was wondering if it provides any warmth under winter conditions? Im located in Hong Kong and I'd say its about 10 degrees celsius in winter. Thanks, excellent video!

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

Hey 👋🏼, with any of these I insulated jackets they provide only limited warmth. However they do pretty much entirely block the wind and create heat through retaining your body’s warmth. With an adequate base and midlayer you’d be warm at 10 degrees, although it is pretty individual as we all differ.

@concrete182 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. How do you go about re-proofing?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We are going to do a video on reproofing I think. But basically I tend to use Grangers 2in1 wash and reproof. Wash the jacket on a suitable cycle with a dose of the Grangers, then in the tumble dryer until dry. Hood it under a tap and water should be beading straight off, if not give it a little extra tumble dry to reactivate the DWR fully. Cheers Ben.

@iftekharuddin 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video. Do you think the Beta SL can be used as a rain jacket during summers (for e.g. at temps around 20°C)?

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching! You can definitely use the Beta SL in summer in hotter temps. The issue is it will be hot and sweaty in reality, most jackets in summer will be to some degree. If you want something super breathable for summer you could try a jacket made from Gortex active or Gortex shakedry, both Superlite and breathable materials, but not super wear resisted.

@iftekharuddin 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue I see. Thanks!

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

No probs!

@matiasmontecino2219 2 жыл бұрын

Nice review! I’m looking for a Beta Sl hybrid but I dont know the fit. Can you help me with the measures pit to pit of your size M?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, just checked it and it seems to be about 19 1/2 inches or around 50cm pit to pit from what I can tell. Hope that helps.

@IrfanOomer 3 жыл бұрын

Hi pal, what is the difference between the SL and LT? I’m looking at the the Beta LT for hikes in the Lakes, Peaks and wherever the fells take me lol

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching. The LT just uses a the heavier N40 Gortex material through the jacket, where as the SL only uses it in high wear areas and uses the lighter paclite elsewhere. Feature wise there’s not really any other differences. The LT is heavier, personally I round recommend the SL over the LT but both are great. Hope that helps. Enjoy the hills 🙌🏼

@flynn8783 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a guide for maintaining the Gore-tex on the Beta SL?

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Arcteryx do have a guide in their site, but I did just reply to a comment on here with how I reproof mine if you want to take a look.

@shoegazer1298 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers again for another vlog. What treatments are you usingbforcreproofing your goretex? My jacket is starting to wet out, doesn't help that I've slid in mud a few times, so I want to get it nice again ...

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, thanks for watching me waffle on 😉. I use grangers 2 in 1 wash and reproof for the waterproofs. On a 40 degree wash with spin cycle. Then tumble dry, then an extra 10/20 mins once dry to make sure the dwr gets fully reactivated. Nikwax reproof works alright to, and both brands are good eco wise. I have just found the grangers 2 in 1 great as it saves an extra wash to reproof after cleaning. Hope that’s helpful.

@srossgower 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue I don't have a tumble dryer and so I put off re-proofing my jackets... Do you think the dryer is a necessity?

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

@@srossgower it’s easier with a dryer but you can 100% do it without one. Either use an iron instead of tumble drying. Or I would suggest using a spray on reproofer (I use grangers) and then hang the item to dry on a heater if possible. ☺️

@srossgower 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue thanks, I’ll try that

@srossgower 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue awesome thanks!

@flynn8783 3 жыл бұрын

I would also suggest you add the terms 'Beta SL' and 'Zeta SL' trouser to the title or description. This way you will also get search traffic from people looking for a review on those pieces.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Good shout will add these!

@Jo_Galezo 2 жыл бұрын

Yes this is how I found the video :)

@LivioConte 6 ай бұрын

Hi! Do you think i could use zeta sl pants for skiing? Maybe combined with a good base layer. Thanks! (I already bought them and in some weeks i'm going to skii),

@OutdoorIntrigue 6 ай бұрын

Hey 👋🏼, yup they’ll work fir skiing for sure 👍

@jtcber 2 жыл бұрын

Didnt know the dryer trick to reactivate the DWR. What is the main difference between the Beat SL and Zeta SL top?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙏🏼 It's a good trick and works really well. Arc'Teryx have some helpful videos on how to properly reproof your kit. The main difference is the weight & materials used. They have a relatively similar cut, but the Beta SL Hybrid is a bit heavier, using a tougher GORETEX fabric in high-wear areas like the shoulders. The hood is helmet compatible and it has pit zips. The Zeta is lightweight, but doesn't have the extra ventilation or a helmet compatible hood and just uses the 2L GORETEX fabric throughout. Hope that helps 🙂

@nikolausgussner648 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Can you fit a puffy jacket underneath comfortably? Thanks!

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Ben is 6’2” and 75kg, he wears a medium and can comfortably fit a base layer and down jacket under the Beta SL Hybrid.

@flynn8783 3 жыл бұрын

I've heard a lot of people referring to this as an 'emergency shell', would you agree with this statement, or can it be worn as a daily jacket? I've also heard the Beta SL materials are not as durable as others, what have your experiences been with the durability?

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

So they are indeed referred to as emergency shells by Arcteryx themselves even. I would say after rigorous use and that they are much more than emergency shells. They are full blown capable lightweight waterproofs. They are less durable than Goretex pro, but in general the durability is excellent. The jacket as well as the trousers hold up to scrambling on rock and mountain punishment, not had any issues or failures so far. Happy with them given the trade off in weight versus durability.

@The_Northerner 2 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue I am considering getting the Zeta SL pants for hunting. This means crawling on the forest or mountain "floor" and walking through pointy and hard bushess and trees. Do you think the pants could handle the "abuse", or would they "easily" get damaged by this?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Northerner They are actually really tough, surprisingly so. You will notice it straight away when you feel the material. I would say they are up to what you want to use them for, but the caveat will be how long they last, with that kind of use they will obviously have a reduced shelf life. So it’s a toss up on weight vs longevity, if you want the weight reduction go for these, if you want something that’s bomb proof the alpha ar’s are top notch. Hope that helps.

@ImJeffRoe 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think of using these pants in warmer climates as just like an everyday pant?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t suggest them for general hiking as your main pant in warm climates. They’ll be very sweaty. They would be suitable as your rain pant option as needed in heavy downpours though, as a shell layer.

@crokkoadventures 2 жыл бұрын

Hi mate where did you bought jacket? It's sound like they have replaced them with new series

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s been discontinued, you can still get them online it seems from some retailers though. The New beta hadron jacket looks like a really good option potentially.

@hockeyalexx97 3 жыл бұрын

Does this get too hot in the summer? I am considering this jacket for summer hikes in tropical weather (on top of fall/winter use)

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Alex, it’s hard to make a comparison because I live in the far north so we are a world away from tropical here 🤣. The reality is any waterproof jacket is likely to get pretty hot in tropical conditions. I wouldn’t say this jacket would be any worse than most others and the huge pit zips will certainly help with venting. Sorry I can’t give more insight, but my experience is in cold climates. Thanks for watching!

@cath2319 3 жыл бұрын

I live in Oahu, Hawaii (tropical weather) and I use an OR Helium. Super lightweight, very thin. Anything more is overkill.

@strangertongues Жыл бұрын

Did Arc'teryx discontinue the SL? I don't see it anywhere anymore and I'm unsure what they replaced it with. Great video 👍

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

Yeah they did and I have no idea why. They relaunched their Beta range at the beginning of 2022 (I think, this is from memory) and removed the SL Hybrid. They have the ‘Beta’ which is a bit lighter but has no pit zips and that’s a real let down for breathability in my opinion. Seems like they’re leaning into their snow sports range quite heavily at the moment 🤔

@strangertongues Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Yeah so far as I can tell they haven't really replaced this... from your video the pit zips were a big seller for me. They have the BETA LT which looks to have pit zips but I'm not sure if this is a different jacket to the one you have? ie. non-hybrid Thanks for the quick response mate!

@patrick.771 3 жыл бұрын

Is the jacket durable enough for rucksacks that weigh about 8-10 kilos? (when wearing the jacket occasionally for a few hours - not that much rain in my area)

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, our latest video out in the Fannichs was a two day, two night trip, with the jacket worn nearly all day on both days. Admittedly our packs are slightly lighter, usually around the 6-8kg mark, but it shouldn’t make too much difference. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼

@dariakorotenko691 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue How do you think - would it still be Ok to wear this jacket with an up to 15 kilos backpack for about a week couple of times a year and the majority of time in the city during the rain or biking. I've luckily got this jacket with a huge discount and also another one from Schöffel with a DERMIZAX®NX membrane (3L Jacket Falun2), that is actually 3 layer jacket. Now I'm totally puzzled - I need to choose one and I personally like the fit and quality of Arc'teryx very much. But I'm afraid, that it's not gonna work that well with heavy loads, as 3l jacket (and I have no experience with DERMIZAX®NX). Thanks in advance)

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

@@dariakorotenko691 hey 👋🏼, I think the beta sl hybrid would be good for what you are asking. I don’t think the durability will be a major issue for that kind of use. The material is holding up well and the tougher material is used in the shoulders and the high wear areas. I don’t know the other jacket you mention, so can’t make a comparison, but I do think the Arcteryx would be a solid choice. Cheers, Ben.

@dariakorotenko691 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Thanks for the answer, Ben! Now I feel relieved and can keep my favorite with a clear conscience 😉

@yeezyfoamiste5610 2 жыл бұрын

Bonsoir, j’aime beaucoup le rendu de la veste sur vos avant bras, avez-vous pris une taille au dessus de celle habituelle ? Pour un côté oversize

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for watching. I took my normal size (a medium) and it naturally has a slightly looser fit.

@yeezyfoamiste5610 2 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue merci à toi pour la réponse 🙏🏻

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

@@yeezyfoamiste5610 It’s a pleasure. ☺️

@mizuofficial 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review! Which colorway is the Beta SL? Love the color!

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey 👋🏼 thanks for watching, the colour of the Beta SL in this is Nucleus.

@mizuofficial 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Awesome m8! I just got the same color on my way. The photos on the site doesn't seem to do a good job at showing it because it looks a lot more golden from your video. Cheers

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully you like it! It’s a brilliant jacket. It’s definitely got a real golden tone, the website example pictures always tend to look different to reel life I find.

@Legionnaire7777 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue That's something Arc'teryx needs to sort out on their website! Less studio shots and more outdoors photos so you can get a good image of the jacket in the daytime and being using in the environment it's made for. Arc'teryx should drop the arty farty pics of models just standing in a studio. Would be better if they used outdoors people modelling them instead.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

@@Legionnaire7777 completely agree!!

@1DrBar 11 ай бұрын

I was going to try this out, though at only 110 grams less than my much more stout and strong jacket that I have currently, I wanted it mostly for packability. Does it pack down well? How large a stuff bag would one need for this? I was highly put off however as I read reviews at REI, two themes came through from the people who gave one and two stars to the product. That it was poor quality that does not last, and that it wets out very quickly. The problem with the design I have is that they have not bothered to put a back vent on, as used to be so common. I live in HOT, and HUMID - and those pit zips are only slightly effective. So now I'm back to wondering if it's worth spending 600 bucks USD, for a small weight savings, though I really am most interested in the packability as I mentioned earlier. Watching you in the drizzle, the fabric is obviously soaking up the rain in places. But the gore tex still keep on dry with that happening, or not? Thanks for another good review.

@OutdoorIntrigue 11 ай бұрын

It’s was a very good jacket. I don’t have it anymore, but used it extensively for a couple of years. For pure packability I’d suggest a Gortex Active jacket, there are a number on the market. Annoyingly they don’t make a lot of Gortex active jackets with pit zips, but when you find one that has pit zips and gore active that is ideal. It’s a super breathable material and packs very small and light. I have a Haglofs and Mountain Equipment jacket in gore active for summer or less intense outings.

@1DrBar 11 ай бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Thanks for that info. So many choices, so little money. :)

@karlcrozier3454 3 жыл бұрын

What boots do you have on

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Those are the Altra Lone Peak 4 RSM mids. 👍

@Tom-fn9gi 3 ай бұрын

What's the sizing in these, do they fit big or small?

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 ай бұрын

They were mediums and they fit true to size.

@Geordielove1 5 ай бұрын

Hi mate, what gloves are you wearing? And how do you find them? Thanks in advance!!!

@OutdoorIntrigue 5 ай бұрын

Hi mate 👋🏼, those are a very old pair of Rab polartec fleece gloves. They are great and comfy, but not at all water resistant and not touch compatible… so I’d not recommend them for all things. If you’re looking for a good general pair for hiking then the Arc’teryx Venta’s are good, so are the Rab VR’s. Gloves are such a tricky thing really, I find you need loads to meet different seasons, weathers and activities. Appreciate you watching!

@Geordielove1 5 ай бұрын

@@OutdoorIntriguethanks for this, and going the extra mile and suggesting some other glove options. I’ll defo check them. Right, now back to England getting hammered in India. 😢

@OutdoorIntrigue 5 ай бұрын

No problem. I just had a look at the score, that 370 plus lead is not looking good for England 😂

@Geordielove1 5 ай бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue 🤣

@grazax8762 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, how tall are you and what size are you wearing?🤔

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, I am 6ft 2 and weigh 76 kg, wearing a size medium. Hope that helps. Cheers for watching.

@paulsullivan804 3 жыл бұрын

What reproofer do you recommend thanks

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Paul, personally I use Grangers 2 in 1 which washes and reproofs in a single wash, then tumble dry after. Hope that helps. Cheers for watching!

@paulsullivan804 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue thanks for the reply I’ve just brought this for walking my cocker and summer mountain walks. Hope it’s good. 🤞it was on sale for £250

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Well you got it at a decent price! Which is half the battle with Arcteryx kit 😂. I am confident you will like it, but let me know once you have used it a bit of you have any feedback.

@Mads1693 2 жыл бұрын

Hi! You mention that your arcteryx jacket dont cover much of your buttocks, and I wonder if thats a problem with the pants, which seams to be low waist. I have a Fjellraven Keb eco shell jacket, and I'm 195 cm tall which can be a problem when leaning forward around camp fire. Whats your thoughts on low waist vs high waist rainpants? Thanks!

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

It’s an interesting point actually, I wouldn’t consider those rain pants as low waisted. I guess it depends on how high or low you wear your trousers/pants. If you have and wear a higher pair of trousers then the jacket length will be less of an issue. If we are just comparing the jacket to other jackets which have a drop tail then it is objectively a slightly shorter jacket though. Thanks for watching, appreciate it!

@Mads1693 2 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue Thx for answering ;) I guess the only way of knowing is by trying on with the jacket and see how it fits, but will deffinitly keep these in mind!

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mads1693 No problem, and agree it’s hard to say without trying it on.

@diegoalvarado1771 Жыл бұрын

Paclite goretex is the least breathable membrane gore produces. Tried these jackets but I got to say the standard gore and pro membrane work far better, especially during zone 2 to zone 3 aerobic training. The paclite traps way too much moisture

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

Yeah I don’t disagree in a comparative nature, gore pro is my fave. It’s all weight relevant though. I had that jacket and used it hard for a good while and it functioned well across a lot of scenarios. Breathability is essentially the number 1 issue across all waterproof materials

@gibbsm 2 жыл бұрын

Just buy a used/new milsurp Gore-tex jacket, it's what Arc'Teryx uses anyway.

@OutdoorIntrigue 2 жыл бұрын

Nope, you’re 100% wrong on that.

@ConquerCollin 3 жыл бұрын

Their stuff is just way too expensive. You can buy a whole wardrobe of other companies stuff for the same price. The quality is good but theres a lot of good quality stuff out there

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting. As I say in the video the price of Arcteryx is high and not justifiable for everyone. I would say that the price difference to most big outdoors brand is actually only about 20% more at most. Not sure you could get a whole wardrobe for those savings. Certainly a lot of good stuff out there, I do think you mostly get what you pay for though.

@ConquerCollin 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue You can get a jacket and waterproof pants at wal mart for $20 here, or the jacket for $10. I have a mont bell rain jacket I bought for about $230 and I love it...but is it 23x better? I dont think so and I fear I'm going to tear it every time I go out. Columbia sells a lot of cheap gear now that is a much bigger difference than 20%.

@diorocks5858 Жыл бұрын

jackets wetting out needs repair

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

You saying my jackets wetting out? As I say in the video. Or you saying in general?

@diorocks5858 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorIntrigue as you mentioned in vid, nitwax

@OutdoorIntrigue Жыл бұрын

@@diorocks5858 got ya.

@sdnalyam 3 жыл бұрын

All classic waterproofs fail when they wet out which all will. Even the toughest DWR which the military use, not available to civilians as its environmentally bad will fail. Check the research from Leeds University, DWR abraded away in around 50 +/- hours under shoulder straps etc. No point spending that sort of money for expensive brands. Buffalo Paramo should work better.

@tombond269 3 жыл бұрын

In my experience the military issued waterproofs aren’t great. I can’t remember what brand my first set were but they are heavy, do not breathe very well at all and are not particularly packable. Credit where credit’s due, they do keep you dry, as long as it’s below freezing so you don’t boil in the bag. They have now moved onto Corinthia, I haven’t used it yet but it is heavy and the cut is absolutely awful. I’m 6ft3 and about 95kg, there isn’t a size available that fits properly, to get the required length in the arm everything else is much too big.

@OutdoorIntrigue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, I agree with Tom that has commented already, in that the military kit is not the absolute best, it generally has to fit into stringent budgeting and be extremely tough. Arcteryx actually sell LEAF kit which is their Law Enforcement and Armed Forces kit, and it’s pretty Damon good, really expensive though. Anyway dwr is certainly not perfect and only some brands are using pfc free stuff, so a lot of it is still environmentally crap. But if you want a layering system and lightweight shell pieces then you have to learn to live with dwr really. Paramo is great and a great brand but it’s heavy. Buffalo is alright but it is also heavy and personally I find single layer style systems a pain. Appreciate your comments though.