HOLDEN: (Explains time travel possibilities). JEN: "Oh no. I've gone cross eyed."

LOL I love Jen's reaction to Holden using "stopping" to describe everything, just to confuse her on purpose. 😂

It makes sense that every time they go back they make new timeline with more characters. But yeah I think it puts a cap on how many movies they can make before they have 10 Arnold’s running around.

This is the reaction I NEEDED after a really horrible day at work, thank you guys for making life easier!

That thumbnail says everything about this movie. She looks excited to see it for the first time and he looks even more confused after watching it again.

They were planning on making this a "Part 1 of 3" and answering all the loose story threads by the end of it.. Which COULD have retroactively made this one really good by the end of it, but we'll never know.

It's important to note that this is the first TERMINATOR sequel that resets the entire franchise. As in, the entire timeline is changed. It's good to know what's happened, so you can recognize every changed reference. DARK FATE also changes the timeline, it simply keeps everything up to T2 intact while changing everything after.

When Anold says "Protect my Sarah" gave me the impression her father took possession of a terminator to protect her

If Jen hated what they did with John Connor on this one, she’ll absolutely detest what they did to him in Dark Fate.

27:06 Fun fact: that bus flip was practical. They actually flipped a freakin bus.

I think the liquid metal terminator in this is a T-1001, not a 1000 like in T2. One difference being that the 1001 can send off pieces of itself and still command them. The 1000 could not. I believe the 1001 was introduced in the series, ‘Terminatoe: The Sarah Connor Chronicles’.

I love this series, it really embraces iterative timelines, multiverse, what have you. (The changes to the timelines, over and over again eventually produce divergent timelines) you can look at it like a consistent story, it's just that through the past interference, it eventually builds towards an actual change, rather than a cyclical one. I like the concept personally.

This was the first Terminator movie I watched as a kid so I actually kinda like this one. All of the plot twists and how they used moments from the past in a new movie.

I feel like if this movie was a like 12 episode short series and fleshed it all out, could've been something epic

Y'now... good or bad, right or wrong... I absolutely respect this journey we're on. Kudos for that at least 😂

This is the one I was waiting for Jen to see!

Shooting in the foot is probably one of the worst things she could've done. Lots of nerves and bones to tickle those nerves etc. Immense pain

This movie maybe be underwhelming but that line "Protect my Sarah" really warms my heart

I understood the timelines coinciding together. It can be a little confusing if you overthink it. The sprinkle of Sarah being rescued by Arnold at age 9 could have been pursued alot more. I wasn't on board with John Connor being the Terminator either. It's still better than dark fate in my opinion. Fun review!

That small scene with terminator John by the cat scan machine If you pause it at the right second, you can see the evolution of man hidden in it😂

Keep in mind that Dark Fate is the only Terminator sequel that James Cameron considers cannon.

One reason Kyle time travels into the middle of the air and falls is that the time bubble melts things that it touches. The terminator doesn't mind having burnt feet.

That respect James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger have it's epic, actually the respect he has with so many people is so cool. I grew up watching Last Action Hero and Eraser and True Lies, the guy is a legend in my books.

This is the only Terminator movie I never watched.. I'm so glad I'm watching it with you two because.. you're explaining this timeline crap to me too!

I agree with Jen again! Nuff said, she knows her Terminator franchise stuff.

"I can see this is 'helping her along.'" Hahahaha!

Timeline so Far: *Original Kyle Reese Timeline* | *Timeline in which Kyle Reese from T1 lived through* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor John Connor is Born - 1985 Judgment Day - 1997 Kyle Reese is Born - 2003/2004 Future War - 2029 | Skynet Defeated, Sent back T-800 | Kyle Reese sent back to protect Sarah Connor Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Original Movie Timeline* | *Delayed Judgement Day to 2004 Timeline* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated) Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed) Terminator 3 - 2004 | Judgement Day - 2004 | Future War 2033 (Alternate Future War) Terminator Salvations - Opening 2003 | Future War 2018 (Future War from T3) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Genisys Timeline* | *Big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff Timeline* T-3000 arrives - Unknown | My theory is the T-3000 is from an alternate timeline and Skynet who arrives to the original timeline and waits for this John Connor to defeat Skynet Future War - 2029 (Skynet Defeated) | Skynet sends T-800 to kill Sarah Connor and prevent the birth of John Connor Skynet sent a T-1000 to kill Sarah Connor when she was a child - 1973 | T-1000 kills her parents but is stooped by a T-800 sent back by *Unknown* who raises her T-800 arrives in 1984 just like in T1 but is tracked down and destroyed by Sarah and Pops Skynet sends T-1000 who waits for Kyle Reese to arrive - 1984 | Kyle Reese arrives in 1984 like in T1 but is faced by a T-1000. Kyle is rescued by Sarah in this timeline. Sarah and Kyle Travel to Modern Day - 2017 | Judgement day never happened in 1997 and the worlds awaiting the launch of Genisys ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Dark Fate Timeline* | *Spoilers* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated) Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed) Terminator: Dark Fate - No information for Spoiler Reasons ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This does not take into account the Sarah Conner Chronicles or the comics such as Robcop vs Terminator. Been a while since I've watched the Sarah Conner Chronicles so this is all the timelines I gathered from the movies. The original timeline at the very top is the one we see in the Future War flash forwards in both T1 and T2 this being the timeline Kyle Reese is from. There's no doubt older timeline than this just one long loop of Kyle being sent back in time, getting it on with Sarah leading to the birth of John in 1995 and then Judgment day in 1997 all leading up to to 2029 when Skynet is defeated and Kyle is sent back in time. Terminator 2 doesn't break this loop but does delay Skynet to 2004 yet Kyle still needs to be sent back to 1984 so Sarah can have John. The big difference being this universes history has been changed meaning the Kyle we see in Salvations would've lived a slightly different life compared to the one we saw in T1 same with John Connor as well and how and when the future war ends. Then the Loop begins again and who knows maybe this spins into another timeline where Skynet is delayed even further back or maybe then change up there game.

I’m happy you’re watching the entire series

Older Kyle had to tell his younger self "Genesis is Skynet" so that he could remember it later when he went back in time.

this movie also had a post credit scene, I think this is also the only Terminator film with a post credit scene.

I liked this one, especially when Dr. Who's Matt Smith said, "I AM Skynet." Emphasis on the "am!" That cause me to read more about Terminator Lore. Multiverse theory, multiple versions of Cyborg and how the little girl in Salvation was possibly a Terminator, as a fan of Screamers that was an awesome theory! I loved Emilia Clarke and her eyebrows (I really ❤️ her eyebrows) in this! Was hoping for a sequel to this. What's next? J.J. Abram's Star Trek?

Holden, Jen: In Terminator 3 Arnold responds to John when he said "we stopped judgment day" that judgment day can't be stopped, only postponed. That's is why there is a 6th one and so and so...

I don't know if it was intentional, but Sarah and Kyle just popping up randomly on the freeway mirrors the scene from the TV show where John, Sarah and their Terminator do the same thing.

There's a great timeline video for the Terminator series on youtube. Explains how it's not really a mult-verse timeline and not a straight time-line, but more of a 'time slinky'. a straight time line with several loops that are created a long the way. Each movie we see a new loop being created.

It's best to think of each movie as in their own timelines T1 - salvation is one timeline. Genisys can stand alone as it's own movie. T1, 2, & dark fate can be seen as it's own timeline

Just to let you know, the man sitting down when John throws Arnold into the wall at 23:43 is Robert Patrick, the original T1000.

when she said she didn't understand why it was necessary for kyle to give little kyle that message, it's because that was the only reason adult kyle was able to hear that message while traveling through time and convince sarah to go to that time instead. if he doesn't tell little kyle they never know and they go to the wrong time. just like the original terminator, it's like the future happens first, because the future already would have had to happen for kyle to hear that message. the same way the future would have already had to have happened first for john to know kyle reese is his father and give him that picture of sarah to make them fall in love. it is more convoluted than the original, but the same basic principle.

Here's what I think. It's better to just enjoy it as a standalone movie. Sure, it might be fun to try to piece together the timeline with this, but we kind of get that headache too. In fact, it actually takes watching Genisys a couple of times. It really starts to grow on you. Plenty of action to keep you riveted to your seat. Also, some of the scenes actually mimic previous ones, such as, when Kyle takes the homeless guy's pants, same as T1! And the scene where Kyle is trying on shoes in the department store while being chased by that terminator cop. Lastly, we really liked many of Emilia Clarke's scenes. Very powerful. So you see, there's much to enjoy!

Love your reactions, been going back and watching some of your old reactions. You need to finish out the Back to the future series.

”why couldn’t they launch it earlier?” … because it was still evolving; it had not reached the point where it turns into ”skynet” (and apparently when it is launched, it stops evolving or something so that the movie can happen;)

In regards to Terminator Resistance, I recommend playing the DLC campaigns after finishing the main campaign. The actor playing Kyle Reese, Jai Courtney, was in Spartacus: Blood and Sand

29:15 Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but J&G Oil Co. is the same name on the tanker truck from the 1984 truck chase scene.

This and Salvation make me appreciate Terminator 3 more.

The bus flip was a practical stunt

A lot of people don't realize that Terminator Salvation, though being the "repaired future", is actually going to loop into another past. The intro of this movie being the actual end of Terminator Salvation That being said, T900 has already been created in Terminator 2 managing to time travel as well as Arnold

Time lines in this movie is like Multi versus. Each time line is its only Universe. Very Simplistic.

29:32 he isn't flying he's falling with style!

The actor that plays the T-1000 in this one is Byung-Hyun Lee, one of Korea's most talented actor. He played the frontman in Squid Game, Storm Shadow in the GI Joe films, and countless other great films and drama. For anyone interested in him, I highly recommend Mr. Sunshine, a netflix series about Korea getting occupied by Japan and America and his plays as a Korean slave that grew up to be an American general.

The whole Terminator franchise basically revolves around the so called Bootstrap Paradox and other time travel paradoxes. In the Boot Strap Paradox events in the future basically instigate things happening in the past through the fact that future knowledge is transported back to the past. This leads to a closed time loop, where things in the past need to happen in order for the future to occur, which in turn then leads the future to send back information to the past in order to ensure that things happen as they are supposed to. The central paradox of the Bootstrap Paradox is "how did this all get started, who originated the information that leads to the events that occur, the future or the past". This is the premise of Terminator, as the act of sending back Kyle Reese ensures the birth of John Conner, who then has to send back Kyle in order to ensure that this happens. At the same time the fact that Skynet sends back a Terminator ensures that it will be born, thus closing the circle and leaving us with the question "where did all this start". Terminator 2 throws a spanner in the works as Sarah and John use information from the future to prevent the rise of Skynet by destroying it before it can even be born. This of course makes the "Skynet" version of the future with the Terminators and time travel not occur (at least not in that form). This basically changes the concept from Bootstrap Paradox to something that must be based on multiple timelines. So each time we go through the loop, a parallel universe is created in which the events unfold as new because the information from the future allows people in the past to change their own future. So in T1 both John Conner and Skynet are "created" through the act of sending Kyle Reese and the Terminator back from the future. In T2 this loop is broken because Sarah and John prevent the creation of Skynet at the moment in time that it was supposed to be created as relayed to Sarah by Kyle, which causes a parallel universe or branch to be created, where the future of T1 doesn't happen as relayed by Kyle. Now T3 pushes against this idea, by making the creation of Skynet inevitable, which in turn causes John Conner to be necessary again as the leader of the Human Resistance, but the movie also introduces its own little paradoxes as the people who should have become John's lieutenants are killed off, thus changing the future again. Terminator Salvation doesn't fit into this pattern as it doesn't really incorporate any of the time travel paradoxes (apart from the need to keep Kyle Reese alive and incorporating John's wife from T3, who was never mentioned in the original timeline of T1). Terminator Genisys then decides to completely rearrange the timeline, with "Dad" and Sarah even preventing most of what happened in the T1 timeline and Skynet thus never existing, only to be replaced with Genysis. Now the only movie that actually makes sense in the series after T2 is actually Terminator: Dark Fate. I know that it is controversial amongst fans for a certain event that happens at the start of the movie, but it stays the most true to the fallout from T2 and James Cameron's ideas about what would happen if AI is left to grow unchecked.

When I get to this point in a series, I am never expecting a great film. So, this movie never disappointed me. I ate up all the action and enjoyed it for what it was ...a straight-up "stuff your face" popcorn movie. Good ole dumbed down action flick.

16:05 I liked this bit of the 1984 section. In the first movie the T-800 was damaged, limping, and here the endoskeleton is facing Kyle at full strength.

Mary had a little lamb, and she turned it into a wonderful shepherd's pie! 🐑

I personally quite liked this one, not as good as the first 2 but still loved it

Keep in mind about any inconsistencies in timelines, they continue to altar the future in each movie. It is the "river" theory of time travel. Sure, you can change events, but you're not going to stop the flow of the river.

I laughed out loud when you said he’s our forever hero… just wait till dark fate.

"beep beep" over and over again, LOL

the way i understand it if this time line had succeded skynet would have turned all humans into what they turned John into where the remember their past but they are no longer human

Only one would be missing, which is the hidden destiny terminator Look at all your reactions to each terminator movie and the truth is beautiful... expresses emotion to the intrigue and suspense...

If you're gonna watch everything, then you def need to watch The Sarah Connor Chronicles!

28:22- No weirder than Queen Amidala babysitting her future husband. 29:59- You're all going to die down here. 30:00- Have you come to destroy me Obi-Wan.

They told young Reese all that stuff because that's how old Reese was able to know all those things about the future

The Genisys hologram reminded me a lot of the red queen from the resident evil movies. You guys should definitely give those a watch.

This movie is the prime example of messing with the past and future, split timelines.

Every time you change the past you; you change the future. Everything after Terminator 2 is an alternate timeline, including The Sarah Conner Chronicles. You should definitely check out that series as well. With that in mind you can enjoy the entire series. That being said, I love the entire series. Including Dark Fate. My complaint is that Common should have been an adult Danny Dyson in Salvation.

Honestly, the Rick & Morty bit with the time-traveling snakes explains this movie better than this movie explains this movie

The only good thing about this movie is Arnold Schwarzenegger coming back to the role, and even said in an interview that this is the real TERMINATOR 3. However, not everything was sunshine and happiness behind the scenes as the producers of the project treated the film director, Alan Taylor (Thor The Dark World, Game Of Thrones) very poorly and Emilia Clarke heard about what happened, and how she felt bad about him. The film was a box office success making $440 million dollars against a $160 million dollar budget. There were talks of Sequels and a live action TV series, but this was cancelled due to the fact that Paramount pictures thought the film didn't make a profit. Jason Clarke (John Connor) wanted to see a prequel film centering on John going back to 2014 to begin his creation on Skynet.

Excited for Dark Fate now, genuinely love that movie lol

Fans: How many alternate universes are you going to create in the _Terminator_ franchise!!?? Money-hungry movie execs: YES.

Haven't watch dark fate, but to me T3 was the best ending possible, because if they stopped skynet, then Kyle couldn't go back in time to be John's father, the terminator couldn't go back to help destroying skynet, that would mean it has to exist to be destroyed, that's why you can't prevent judgment day. To me, if they had to make new movies after T3, it could only happen after judgment day, about how humans will free themselves from the machines.

One of the main flaws the cinematic release was the movie poster showed John Conner as as Terminator, spoiling the big reveal. The Pops plotline is a return to the original script of Terminator 1. In the original write up, Reese was much older than in the script. The resistance wasn't sure where the Terminator was sent to, so they sent him back to Sarah's birth and he watched her grow up, making him an old-ish man at the tie of his fight with the T800. Can't remember if this idea was before or after the T800 vs T1000 idea.

Moonfall is maybe the funnest movie to come out last year. It’s entertaining as heck.

When they talked about T5, this was the goal: "The first In a trilogy that would reboot and end the saga" Sounds simple and sooner or later this franchise would come to an close. Make the final chapter worth waiting for. Even James Cameron enjoyed it in a private screening. He said "this is what I would've made as T3". I went to an early screening (a day early in fact). I enjoyed it very much with what dir. Alan Taylor had envisioned. Seemed like there was absolute goals for things to come in the end credits. It did well in the box office as well. But just like that, Genisys was a 'one and done' and i was so angry. Promises broken once again.

Just to note, I was on this end of world movie kick a couple months ago and I came across Moonfall. I actually enjoyed it and found it really entertaining as well.

Reminds me of the episode of Rick and Morty where that alien creates a phone app to take over earth. 😂

I fall asleep in the Theatre

Can't wait for the next one it's my favorite of the newer movies

In the first terminator movie there was mention of an arlier time date and cabi of her familys

It made no sense that the advanced version of Skynet Dr Who was in the room with all the winning human survivors and couldn't win the war already being in that timeline.

Danny Dyson was Miles Dyson's son that tried to protect Miles from being shot by Sarah Conner in T2.

This was the nadir for me. It was neat seeing the blue Cameron future and the purple lasers, but this film dropped every ball. Horribly miscast too. Salvation was middling but it had the right idea.

Fun fact- the TX from terminator 3 can wipe the floor with this John Connor terminator

Linda hamilton plays as Sarah Connor in dark fate which is my favorite one.. I hope you two enjoy it when you see it..

I really like Dark Fate so I am glad you are going to give it a chance to watch it without a preconceived notion. Some think it is against the spirit of the franchise, but it renews my faith in humanity that we don't survive because certain people exist, but because when there _is_ a need, someone will always step forward.

my brother and i were more or less along for the ride for all the newer movies. they are a good ride. and any extra storylines are just good entertainment. same reason for watching all the alien movies and predator movies and the alien vs predator movies

The thing about the next movie dark fate is it retroactively acts as the third film in the franchise, while it’s the sixth film. The story in it canonically is actually what would be another third movie or third story told after the events of T2, like Halloween 2018, since James cameron came back to be a producer on it, it ignores all of the other sequels, even the rise of the machines and acts as a new 3rd chapter

all my pants are pooting pants.

This is the most accurate opening, based off the books and dark horse comics. I know that had to be the source material because the design of the time displacement device looks like the one from the comic books.

The reason Kyle explains stuff to young Kyle is that otherwise he wouldn’t have known Genisys = Skynet.

There’s a end credit scene guys !!!

Terminator, T2, T3, Salvation is the first Timeline Then Genisys Changes the past and creates an Alternate Universe Dark Fate saw the Return of James Cameron and everything after T2 is removed from the Timeline

Please do the Sarah Conner chronicles.I love all of your reactions to these movies so far.

There already is a terminator short film.. from 1994 featuring Arnold and that kid from the second movie. I think it's called terminator across time. Is super hard to get hold of.

Multiverse and different time lines is really different sides of the same coin.

Kyle never said anything because it didn't happen. Remember in order to have the second and third movie, the resistance needed to send Kyle, the T-101, and then a second T-101. This movie shows John getting attacked while Kyle is on route.

You guys have probably already been told but Dark Fate is a follow up to T2. The 3 movies after T2 are out of the window so now it's like a trilogy if you ignore Rise of the Machines, Salvation and Genisys like the creators of Dark Fate did.

I just liked seeing Matt Smith as the Skynet AI. That was cool I thought!

I find it annoying that people are telling them to skip dark fate when it is much better than rise of the machines

That was fun 🎉😂

Genisys is basically 'what happens if alternate reality Skynet is more or less 'more' successful and ends up travelling back in time to mess with John Connor and then also try and sabotage the changes attempted by The Resistance with Kyle sent back to save Sarah - so we have a T-1000 also sent back to try and stop Kyle Reese and there was never a reprogrammed T-800 sent back to save John as a kid because the T-1000 was never sent back to the 90s to begin with. Rather something or someone tried to kill Sarah as a child instead and that's where Old-Arnie 'Pops' comes in.

Also... Junkie XL (Zack Snyder's Justice League...and Han Zimmers friend) does the music for Dark Fate as well. Hope you enjoy. It's my 3rd favorite