Totally agree, sadly you will have companies like Nintendo suing the heck out of 20 year old roms

@@RandomDudeFromYTthe switch uses these old games to advertise Switch Online so it’s only logical they want to ruin the lives of everyone.

Steam deck is AMAZING for emulation

"Ourselves" 99% of us do nothing. Me included. We freeload off genius programmers.

@@RandomDudeFromYT It's cute that they think this will stop anyone as opposed to encouraging them.

At least the back compat program is kinda a step in the right direction, it's just that the licensing bullshit needs to fuck off.

​@@icravedeath.1200It's not a step in the right direction, it's just a worse method of backwards compatibility.

@@kw9849 Its something at the very least

​@@srgatasioIsn't it just emulation on their terms?

I won’t buy one of these. PC , PS5.

Yes, if only we all had YT Modern Vintage Gamer on speed dial to talk us down from the ledge.

You think there's maybe a licensing thing or something?

Fair enough XD, btw is that a C-130J cockpit?@@DylanClements98

Luckily, there will always be emulation

just say you're a cheap bitch and move on... if you actually cared about old games, you'd go out and get the real deal.

@@kryzethx We can thank Valve Steam Deck for bringing emulation to the forefront in the 2020s using Linux. *Not a gamer here, and do not own a Steam Deck, but have seen videos of folks using the console/PC hybrid for emulating classic 1980s games up through the Switch.

Anything up to ps3, 360era console wise is easily available

vimm I've already said too much

the only company that gets mad is nintendo, and its not because of the emulation itself but because piracy is a byproduct of it

@siegfried_be7553 they throw tantrums about every little thing. Their anger only fuels emulation and ehat they deem to be piracy.

@@siegfried_be7553 sony also gets mad, moreso than nintendo seeing as sony has had several lawsuits against emulation developers and nintendo hasn't.

​@@siegfried_be7553most of that's their fault though. People would buy their games they just don't want to sell them.

@@siegfried_be7553well, the best way to combat piracy is to make a better service than the pirates can offer. Too bad they’re not interested in that. Yo Ho, motherfuckers.

I got really mad when Dynasty Warriors didn't work!

Yeah but it was also as if he did a nugget dip genuinely expecting them to work like an iPod and getting mad when they didn’t, like really??

​@@TheDarknashsurely you cant genuinely expect HALO to work on an XBOX

​@@TheDarknash if nothing else, the Microsoft game should work on the Microsoft console.

JSRF not being compatible was a huge bummer

Consoles are never as good as on PC

As much as I love the PC gaming experience, original Xbox emulation still isn't 100% there yet. Progress has been slow, largely because most (but NOT all) of the Xbox's big games later got PC ports, or were multiplatform on easier to emulate consoles, but a lot of really good games got left in the dust, too, like Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge (Not the same game as the PC Crimson Skies), Unreal Championship 2 (A very interesting take on the UT formula, and while there is an "unofficial" leaked prototype that got ported it's an unfinished version with no sound), heck, Metal Wolf Chaos was only rescued from a Japan-only OG Xbox release by Devolver just a few years ago.

​@@TruxtonII Yeah, Midtown Madness 3 is the original xbox-only title for me, didn't run too well in Xemu at least.

it helps to learn how to fix electronics. its definitely a futureproof skill, considering how hostile tech companies are becoming. learn how to solder and change your own capacitors.

​@@lucasrem pc are never as cheap as a console

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I’m gonna handle you physically and make you shiver 🫵🏼

​@@GriffithFromBerkThat sounds gay, take me in.

cds are tuff plus they were all like 5 bucks

Which part, exactly, is damaging or even a risk of damaging the disc?

It's so weird to me that having an old game you're not selling anymore work on current hardware needs you to _update the licensing._ Like, you're not even making money off it anymore, but no, you gotta pay Ferrari for the privilege of your clients seeing their cars on screen.

Masterchief collection, they want you to buy that

Screw these companies. Download the ROMs and run it on an emulator on PC.

the australian library for original xbox backwards compatibly games is alot more limited than most since other companies that dont exist anymore held the licenses for distribution here

halo didn't work because mcc exists and they'd rather have you play that than bother to set it up again, and im pretty sure the blu-ray player would've installed if he just closed whatever game was running

It should launch an emulator. Microsoft has all ways of doing this yet they refuse to.

​​@@actuallyaridanif it's official there's licensing issues. That's why I have a steam deck.

I would love to be able to play OutRun 2 on my One S or even Burnout 2. But as you say it, its all down to licenses, Konami would never renew song licenses to let us play both the DDR Ultramix and DDR Universe series. OutRun 2? The Ferrari license, Burnout 2? Does EA even owns the IP for the first two games in the Burnout series at all? That's why i kept my 360 and why i want a cheap OG Xbox so i can play games that aren't backward compatible on either Series, One or 360 consoles.

@@dylon0107 Why didn't the Wii have a limited number of GameCube games it could play? Because they aren't Microsoft, that's why.

@@GUCFanmy problem was with the Forza Motorsport series (but horizon 1 works fine?) So now I have a 360 for playing 2 games 😂

Series X can read Xbox discs, but there is no native hardware anywhere in the console. Pretty much what it does is it checks to see if its an xbox disc, and if it is, it checks to see if there has been a version of that game ported to modern consoles for you to download.

Just because the console can recognize that it is an Xbox Disc doesn't mean it can just magically run code made for 20 year older hardware.

​@@CozyCatteit can though

​@@eric_t123nuh, XBox most likely changed architecture for their CPUs. The game code is compiled for a specific CPU architecture. Not to say the resolutions are probably different, and scaling. Also the GPUs, and maybe even the kernels.

The games aren’t even ran from the disc. It’s a download from Microsoft servers, and it’s basically emulation of whatever console you’re playing. Kinda bs to me, but whatever. Which means there’s no reason why they can’t run on modern consoles.

SAME my Black Kinect Xbox 360 is going no where when I’ll use it.

And then they wonder why piracy and emulation is so prominent

And the most pathetic part of the whole "can't play" part is, the hardware architecture is straight up compatible. The original Xbox is a freaking Pentium 3 PC. x86 and all, running some embed version of Windows. The damn name comes from Direct X. Guess what architecture the AMD APU inside that thing is?

use the dev mode lets you play emulaters its not perfect but its something

its like 20 bucks for the dev mode btw

​@@Kalvinjj Sure Microsoft has the tools and has no excuse for the piss poor support on the Series, but its actually a bit more complicated than you think. The architecture isn't completely akin to that of a PC, and has a lot of off the shelf components. Even today Xbox emulation still has poor compatibility compared to other consoles of that generation, which I find pretty weird.

YES. Oh god, all those old grey 2004 Dell laptops (D500, D600, D610 etc) that are still ubiquitous in mechanics garages, because they're the only way to run some really essential diagnostic package that's very popular and all the garages bought it. They all bought it and it was the last iteration before it became a Software-as-a-Service thing? So mechanics desperately hoard and repair these old 2004 laptops because you need Windows XP and a native Serial port for this diagnostics thing to work.

@@boiledelephant And when the whole system goes belly up when everything stops working? "just buy new stuff", like that's feasible.

Yep. A shockingly large portion of the British Rail signalling systems is still based on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000. There is still tech (Radio Electronic Token Block) that was originally built on the Commodore 64 (I think, the hardware looks right).

Win 95 is the last OS that has proper native support for things like serial ports and PCI (not PCI-E or PCI-X, plain PCI) which are used to control machines like industrial robots. That's why it's still so common in manufacturing.

How would you even enforce such a law though? Companies could just say "oh yeah this guy is definitely still maintaining this software no one has touched in 20 years". Don't get me wrong this would be awesome, it's just incredibly unrealistic and full of loopholes.

It's emulation, but the 360 was also emulation. Disc size is the full game size cause they use the disc as a license to download a copy of the game. Not fully sure why they do that though

@@DJ_MoosterPretty sure the reason why is that: 1) Microsoft is doing emulation on a per game level to avoid weird game specific issues that crop up, and that takes time 2) Licensing can get in the way of that. Some studios and publishers might not want old games played on modern systems because it threatens new releases in their minds, or they just don't exist anymore and there's no way to acquire the license

@@reaperreaper5098 Only reason I don't know is cause like I said 360 also used emulation from what I can tell and it didn't do this kinda stuff

@@reaperreaper5098 Microsoft can revoke the deals with studios and ban them from making games with PC and Xbox or Microsoft can buy out studios too.

That’s exactly how it is. Most of the time it won’t even download from the disc, you gotta download it from the digital store. Xbox sucks

I had a 3rd party Xbox controller that had the black and white buttons where the bumpers now reside on modern xbox controllers. When going from the Xbox to Xbox 360, that's literally all Microsoft did was just put the buttons in a different place and rename them. Hence why Black and white are mapped to the bumpers when playing backwards compatible titles in he first place.

​@@sedme0 the moar you know : the internal wireless module for the 360 gamepad works on pc, just solder an usb port.

backwards compatibility or not Microsoft needs to do better, the problems with the X are way too noticeable, updates shouldn’t break the console.

I doesn’t need backwards compatibility when it has a huge ps4 library that has better titles than the Xbox one did, the exclusives make the console and Xbox has shitty ones

uh the ps5 is backwards compat with every PS4 title

@@jamesherman3750 The Xbox Series consoles are backwards compatible with every Xbox One title? Silly comment when we're talking about PS2/Xbox and PS3/Xbox 360 backwards compatibility.

Yep it's case by, it's not native they have to license and test each release. Results in a small catalogue but bonuses like 4k resolution

Man, we didn't knew how fucking good we had it with the PS2 and early PS3 letting us play all the old games, huh?

​@@JWRandall24Because its emulation. Backwards compatibility to the level of nintendos consoles require native hardware.

still 100% more compatibility than PS5 has with PS2 games

its mostly just og xbox which is tragic, i wish they did way more games for it. 360 has half the entire library as back compat though

What about Halo: Combat Evolved? Isn't that published by Microsoft?

@@ChaseMC215 yes but they have The Masterchief collection which they’ll prefer you buy. I’m sure there are some internal politics at play as well, knowing Microsoft. Any racing games though, likely out of the hands of publishers anyways

There aren’t “legal repercussions” if you have BOUGHT THE GAME. It’s in copyright law that you are allowed to carry copyrighted material to ANY medium for personal use. “But they gon use for steal my money” doesn’t fit if it’s actively keeping people from using material they purchased, ESPECIALLY if there is no other means to play the titles “legally”(that the manufacturer provides). There is no “grey area” around Emulators. If there was, consoles would NEVER have been backwards compatible to begin with. Always think about the fact it’s Microsoft and Sony telling us it’s a licensing issue, NOT THE DEVELOPERS.

@@ChronoTango That’s why I put them in quotations. Big publishers will make a big Hoo haa about what rights the end user has when it comes to what they do to a legally copy of the game. It doesn’t matter what copyright law says anyways because it needs to be argued in court, which I’m guessing is not something Microsoft wants Xbox to be tied into and dragging the rest of Microsoft along with it. And the bigger the company, the more cautious they are about even the slightest possibility of a suit. I’ve worked with Big Banks that are even afraid to include KZfaq links into their training packages in case people do not agree with their videos being part of a training package and pay me thousands of dollars to make produce a video explaining the exact same thing (not copying the video but just the same content) avoid any chance of them having to get a lawyer involved

They don't have to "enhance" anything. Just make it run with a minimum of bugs and a lot of people will be satisfied with that.

Oh, if it's on the internet that fker will still make you wait through a system update before you can play a game 100% off of a disk.

Xbox One & Series X do this too, but only if there's zero internet connection. I played Halo 5 from the disc (so it had no updates) when I moved into a new apartment that had no internet.

The modern consoles download the game off the disk to put less stress on the disk drive. It's more efficient to pull data from a HDD or SSD than an optical drive

With hacked 360 you could put any game into emulator, of course not all runs good, but more than official whitelisted runs just fine

Unless you've got one that's still on Blades or (Like me) NXE... You have to update it to download the backwards compatibility suite and that's not happening. D=

any AC really

I was about to say. Virtual On too.

Fortnite

Mech warrior 5 is fun

That does run the risk of us never getting a dank pods video again, though.

You can still play the original half life and it recently got updated!

@@primemeow The one that you can download from steam right now runs on it more optimized version of the engine. Basically it runs under the newer engine with the emulation layer that runs it better than it ran before. I'm talking about like the original disc version you can still play that on PCs All you got to do is put the disk in.

Why on earth is this important? I can also plug in a PS2, and play PS2 games. I'm not some freak who expects a 5 dollar game I bought in a bargain bin 20 years ago to still work on hardware I bought yesterday. Why would I? What would be the point of buying new hardware just to play old games?

@@peedrillbecause keeping a bunch of old discs and using them in the hardware you currently have plugged in for modern gaming is easier than keeping every console you have ever owned in a closet and pulling them out and finding the power cable and plugging in the composite cables (if your tv or av receiver even have composite inputs, which is not a given on any thing even slightly modern) whenever you get the desire to revisit a game you bought 20 years ago. Discs take up a negligible amount of space and you can put them in a binder that you can keep anywhere and you don’t have to worry about breaking because disc binders are padded and secure. consoles are big and boxy and fragile. My PS5 can play DVDs and CDs. If PS2s can play dvds There’s no reason the PS5 can’t read a PS2 game.

@@peedrill and you're one of the people that won't understand so I'm not going to bother explaining it.

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@@karazami6594admiring the little things doesn’t make your life sad. I’m thankful for my family, my home, and I’m also thankful for the new dankpods video!

same here

Need to check it out

Me still waiting for every nfs pre hot pursuit remake to become back compatible 😞😔

@@paulcarmi8130just emulate them with dev mode with xbsx2.0

@@paulcarmi8130not gonna happen because of the licensing

​@@snou69and because Michaelsoft™ ended the backwards compatibility program.

@@mrbones2235in this case it’s really not Microsoft. They said they tried as hard as they could, and at this point it’s the rights holders being hard about it

One is a passion, other is a cash grab. Guess which is which

@@thecompanioncube4211 What cash grab? Old games aren't exactly selling like hot cakes.

​@@HeySuperOkay yes they're you complete and utter bumbling baffoon. Why do you think there are so many retro game shops that are always packed people want to play these older systems and while yes it may not be the mainstream it's still a considerable amount of people especially as those who grew up with the 360 and PS3 get older they want to play those games again and the cycle continues with every generation of anything be it cars, video games, headphones and any other tech for that matter. My rule of thumb is that it takes 2 generations of anything for something to be worth alot of money. Take Ford RS Focus's for example back say even to early 2020 they were still only worth about £10,000 in the UK or €15,000- €20,000 in Ireland and now they're worth about £40,000 or €50,000. They're old enough now that the people who were young and couldn't afford it new, now have enough money to buy it and they'll pay pretty much any cost and there's other factors too like how it was shown on Top Gear and looked amazing that added to its popularity in which it was very high in the first place.

​@@HeySuperOkay I mean, the back-compat project probably cost Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars, but it supports thousands of games, some of which will sell millions, and it makes Xbox look good.

⁠@@HeySuperOkay “Old games aren’t exactly selling like hot cakes” you’re literally wrong, and also this is such a dumb vague way to word this. I think maybe you just don’t know what you’re talking about

Hardware based emulation would drive up the cost of Series X systems. Software based (like what they're currently using) requires them to license/test every game they run through it, which isn't always possible with physical media.

@@onhold1706because hardware emulating a Pentium III and 64 mB of RAM is going to break Microsoft’s back financially 🤣 clearly just something they threw in because the marketing committee made them, not because the engineering team actually care about their product.

@@HH60gPaveHawkactually video game consoles are made on a very tight budget, the OG Xbox was a tough sell for investors due to the fact that consoles are only profitable after a while, so putting extra hardware for maybe a few sales was not worth it to them.

They want you to buy the Master Chief Collection

​@@onhold1706fondle it

So they make you pay again. Classic Microsoft move. What if you want the original experience.

​​@@jigzyonlineif u have game pass, u don't have to pay a dime for the collection since its there pretty much 24/7. At the same time, if u want the OG experience, play the OG game then. Easy as that

@@amaterasumaster8781I am not paying Microsoft monthly to play games. Anyone who does is a fkn idiot. "Dont have to pay a dime" you are literally paying per month. People really be brainwashed.

They have Fable Anniversary it’s a remastered version of the original Game on all platforms

And that’s the beauty of the matter.

Late 90s - 05ish gaming was the best imo, when it was still fun not just a sneakily psychologically addictive way of brainwashing kids into thinking microtransactions and digital currency u pay real cash for are acceptable!

I've been pretty depressed with the current state of the hobby, whether it's the greedy corporate practices, the talent leaving in droves, or the many beloved series getting melted down for bland "wider appeal". I still have all my old games, and tons of stuff to pirate, but it still feels bad being outnumbered by the people who are incapable of seeing anything wrong with what the industry's been doing, cheering for remakes and sequels that gut the appeal of your favorites, because they all never understood it to begin with.

There have actually been some convincing studies done showing games don't really relive stress, they just help you ignore it. Which is important to know as a gamer myself.

@@petergriscom3431 I completely understand. That’s why I stick to games that I know are good- older games if you will. All I’ll say (to stop myself from rambling) GTA 6 is under a ton of pressure now. I genuinely hope they don’t mess up.

f in the chat for dank’s dw3😭 stick it up ya microsoft…

Stop it. Do some history on Sony to see where Microsoft learned it from. Sony had a console presence decades before Microsoft did. Look up Super NES CD and get ready to see a national crime in action. You'll get a kick outta that for sure. I'm not console centric. I have both and played almost everything they both have. I just love gaming, let's be real here Sony kinda started this crap. Microsoft finished it. Don't get me wrong Microsoft has their own shitty ship to run, but at least their transparent with about 70 to 80% of the crap they do.

​@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rffirst time i'm seeing a bot shilling for microsoft, first times for everything

​@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rfjesse what the fuck are you talking about

@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf Shut Up. dont lie about amazing Japanese Sony like that bruh what the hell is wrong with you. americans of microsoft & xbox start all this devious stuff & they the ones who finished it whch they dont know WTF they are doing with their western trash...you just mad that sony & nintendo are the best there is with the greatest tech innovations console, gameplay & Japanese games. get your facts right bruh

You're missing out that the CECHC and CECHE (basically the same model but different letter for different regions) models had the PS2 GS chip so it's hybrid emulation, part software part hardware. These still had reasonable backwards compatibility just not as high a percentage, and for me the dealbreaker is CECHA/B PS3s will play _OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast_ while CECHC/E it crashes as soon as any 3D graphics are shown. PS2 homebrew will work on the original CECHA/B units, that's how feature complete they are in terms of PS2 hardware, so you can actually use OPL to network stream PS2 ISOs and the GSM feature to upscale all the games to 1080i which produces a much cleaner, sharper image than the PS3's built-in native scaling to 1080i/p.

My game of the year, in fact.

@@HypeWrecks same here. Finished the last ending last week in a single sitting, 8 hours, was totaly worth it. 9/10, literally perfection besides the random difficulty spikes.

@@popkornhd1428 My only gripe with the game is just that the mundane missions are so mundane. No buildup, just killing trash mobs. The boss fights more than make up for it though. Some of the set pieces are just insane, some of the best presentation in games ever. No one is touching From artistically right now.

@@HypeWrecks the tension some scenes build up is fucking crazy. Without spoiling anyone, 3rd chapter final boss, the buildup and the emersion you get is stupid insane. Probably my most favorite moment of the entire game.

​@@HypeWreckssame. Absolutely fun-ass game, my personal GOTY too

Genki?

They're a developer from Japan that made some very very good racers in the PS2/1 era. Import tuner challenge is a classic on the 360, give it a look 👍

saying something is a vibe is a mask for not knowing how to properly express yourself

Shame they screwed up Daytona on the Dreamcast as that game handles like garbage, it's way too twitchy and even when altering the sensitivity in the options it still doesn't feel like the OG Daytona to me. Also don't go "but the game plays great on a steering wheel", I haven't got room for that stuff and even if I did why should I have to go out of my way to buy a whole peripheral to make a game play better.

​@@yikes6969who gives a shit

and few people actually use it

If only they just focused on letting people play their physical games.

microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the world, i'm really not convinced by this whole licencing bullshit. they're baso saying they're too tight

@@elsviec well, at least they tried. It's still a business and they were not obliged to add back combat to their consoles. I see PS having almost no back combat at all and no one is complaining.

​@@asdasdjsjsjs4213precisely

The Xbox 360 has backwards compatibility for a lot of the games. I'm not sure how the Xbox One works with it, though. Maybe it's similar to the 360 plus has compatibility with a bunch of Xbox 360 games. But yeah, I totally get you. Once I have kids, I think it'll most likely be emulation through PC

I mean they really talked about how it was only a small list that would get bigger with some time, i think that at the end we got around 60 classic xbox games and 600 360 games, i would have love more classic xbox games 😪

@@Poodleinacan The 360 had backwards compatibility because it actually just worked. Series X "backwards compatibility" is a bunch of made up bullshit because it doesn't actually read the game off the disc, it runs an emulator after checking the disc and license is valid. That's why Wade had to download 4GB to play Battlefront 2. Also don't know how XB1 works, though, I've never thought to try it.

@@srgatasio Just people wanting to be angry which is easier when you make shit up

​@@Dr.SpatulaMicrosoft was definitely a lot louder about the backwards compatibility part than the very limited game list part to the point where I find it misleading.

I honestly dare you to try to pay for the halo collection. They give you that shit with literally everything.

Not every old Halo requires mcc. You can play 3 on the Xbox one and newer through backwards compatibility

@@AUTOMATIC_SMART_ANNOUNCEMENT_S well that just makes it worse because they proved they can do it but refused to do it with Halo 1 💀

Its worked for me. Sometimes the discs are wierd

@@IDoABitOfTrollin no it didn't lmfao. it literally cannot.

They killed it

@@MYSOULOFDOOM no, they killed running them in retail mode. you can still do all of that in dev mode

@@MYSOULOFDOOM Dev mode works just fine, you can run emulators just like before.

@@jasonzherdev503them killing it on retail is perfectly fine tho you’re officially using their console to pirate games, at least use the curtain they gave you to cover yourself up

Ps5 0% compatible

​@@MepsiPax187mate, to be fair, that's about the amount of games it has.

They definitely need to improve in backwards compatibility, it’d just be great for gaming overall if they did and if they added some of them to game pass where possible. Personally I love my series x and it’s got all the old games from my childhood (i’m only 22) but I love trying out older games and I’m sure seeing some more xbox 360 games on game pass n stuff would give me some flashbacks to looking at the preowned games sections back in the day lol

What a fukn joke

61 games compatible from original xbox now! what great leaps forwards /j

Being a fan of Xbox means you get like 2 terrible exclusives a year (Redfall anyone?) I’ve never made a bigger mistake in my life than buying a XSX. $500 wasted and I haven’t used it in nearly 3 months.

​@@jstyxx4110didn't know you can only play exclusives on console

@@NickolasCremonezIf you didn’t get the point; why would you buy a console that has garbage exclusives if you can play them on any system?

This is a gaming video. I want to see Dankpods content.

@@HypeWrecks also didn't knew you could only Redfall or the exclusives release this year (put 200 hours on Starfield and loved that game), terrible exclusives according to who? Jstxz4110? If you like ps5 that's fine, I'm happy for you, I like to play on xbox and pc

I wouldn't doubt it's because of all the copyright issues with the music in it

@@hey_its_mika I get that Xbox probably can't rerelease these older games, but since they made emulation possible on the xbox, they could have at the very least made a basic emulator available for older games and let the community determine which ones work.

@@leonro That's the thing. This isn't "emulation" in the typical sense. That's why the "patch" is 4GB for an Xbox game of approximately the same size. What you're downloading is a modified version of the original that can run on the new hardware. That modification requires ... well, not sure what precisely, it's all secret sauce AFAIK, but I'm sure someone's done a tech interview or blog or Twitter post about it. It's either access to the original sources to recompile a native executable, or, more than likely, a wrapper around the original with in-place patching of API calls. Distributing the modified work requires legal right to do so. That's what makes this method so difficult. The technical barriers are not trivial, but not fatal. It's the intellectual property challenges that prevent near-100% compatibility. IMO, it's the wrong way to do it, because you will never secure the rights for everything that happened more than 30 minutes ago. Half those titles are owned by dev shops that don't exist anymore, or have traded hands so many times nobody knows who owns them. (You'll find out if you dare try to distribute any derivative works, though. They wouldn't bother answering your phone call for permission, but would sue your pants off within a lunch break.) On the bright side, it does allow for nice things like grafted-in HD assets, widescreen support, bug fixes, uncapped framerates, QOL improvements... but also all the mixed-bag revisionist history stuff, too. Preservation HAS to be done in the shadows. It's the only way you'll ever get everything, because nobody cares about tracking down royalties for pirated software. Either that, or a real emulation of the OG hardware, that will run literally anything that would've run on the original -- from a genuine disc or a torrent.

@@leonro Actually, that's the core issue. Every game in the back compat list with a few exceptions are available for purchase in the xbox store. They had to get proper licenses to distribute each game.

@@nickwallette6201 It's just an emulator and a perfect rip of the game. Honestly it's pretty handy because if you have a scratched copy it'll still work.

The ROM is on the disc, that should include the license. And if game licenses run out so you CAN'T PLAY THE GAMES YOU OWN, then I'll only pirate.

All hail PCSX2.

"no issues" is generous but yea I agree

Xzactly

PC is awesome I just wish you didn't have to pay a thousand plus more dollars for graphics and performance that's only a lil bump from consoles It almost makes it not worth it ...PC also comes with a headache full of tweak settings you gotta do to make it hopefully work right

@@megilacuttyjones735 yeah, theres a reason people choose consoles, its less fussier. PCs do have a learning curve, but atleast you can buy them prebuilt, provided you can find a prebuilt that's not dogshit lmao

That combo disk never came out in the PAL regions.

@SplinterCellRocks really? Huh. I've only ever seen the solo copies of JSRF and GT 2002 for sale, I should look into getting the combo disk.

I really like 90s and 2000s racing games *AND* I love Sega so this sounds really cool. i’ve gotta check it out.

fr I thought he would yeet that 😅

Came here to find the Phantom Crash love. Absolute classic

ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

Ironically Phantom Crash can play on the 360. Not well, but it'll play.

Especially jet set radio and halo

@@MrREAPERsz I was honestly fairly surprised by PGR and Tony Hawk as well; Jet Set Radio, was mildly surprised but don't know enough about it to know just exactly how much of a cult classic it is But Halo CE not being supported is absolutely crazy

@@acynicalasian JSRF is not only a cult classic, but it's also one of emulation's biggest successes, and given that all the Xbox does is basically emulate old games, it should be an absolute slam dunk.

@@acynicalasian Probably just because of the Master Cheif Collection

@@moister3727 That's what I was thinking too, but it still is BS to not support backwards compatibility for CE

Yeah. But the dreamcast's front 4 controller ports wasnt their idea. Nintendo did it first on the N64 (1996)

But everything else was either dreamcast's idea or xbox's. Nintendo jumped on the discs idea late. (Mini GC discs in 2001. Normal Wii Discs in 2006).

@@user-lt6it4gv2j The first popular console, yes. I thought the first console with 4 controller ports was the Atari 5200, but it was the Bally Astrocade which released a few years prior.

Fun fact, that's a lot of revisionist history. They have videos about the whole process of the XBox creation.

The original VMU was actually really great, and the battery was fine for a device like that.

Exactly, but remember Xbox was never made for kids at all. That's why they make the trash-talking accessory for the OG Xbox. But, Coppa ruined it and so did parents. Like, I honestly want to play the og Xbox games on an emulator because my og xbox the eject and power buttons don't work right and mine has the bad Thompson drive.

all the best games of that generation ran and looked miles better on og xbox, its still amazing.

Yep! It's actually trivial to modify the safety-release dongle on old Xbox controllers with a normal USB end - and they work on PCs like any x-input USB controller. :D

@@dhoffnun All consoles are PCs mostly Xboxes even the Xbox One runs a Modified version of Windows 10.

@@DeletedContent Xboxes have always ran modified versions of Windows, as they wanted to push for cross development between Windows and their console. Reason I said that the OG Xbox is more a PC than now is because the whole architecture wasn't really that crazy, mostly just off the shelf parts really. Now it's a semi custom SOC with no touchy written all over it. Pointing out that it uses x86 and saying it's a PC is like saying an NES is a Commodore 64, Apple ][, or Atari 2600 because they use the same cpu.

Lmao fingerprints don't matter. Scratches do

So it’s an Atari? Wasn’t USB based on SIO found on the Atari XL machines?

That and if I remember right, the game files are digitally sent to the console, which can't happen unless there's a license between the publisher and Microsoft. I thought I read it doesn't read info from the disc due to some modification that's done.

⁠yeah, the xbox can't natively emulate old games, they have to republish them with an added compatibility package, and legally they can't do that without the OK from the rights holder, moreso even to distribute it

@@Maho. If they release a general emulator and take game files directly from the disks there shouldn't be an issue right? You don't need the OK from the rights holder if you're not distributing game files. Sure, compatibility won't be as good as with custom packages, but at least you'll be able to actually try and play the games. Something like CxBx reloaded would at least let you play JSR Future.

@@IntoTheFartsideif they were smart, they would get the files off the disk, where they’re stored.

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Same studio that made the tokyo extreme racer series too