Lazy Game Reviews [Try4ce] And the Framemeister is the biggest reason I wanted a Genesis! OK, that's a bit shallow, the real reason I wanted a Genesis was to play the "lost" Contra and Castlevania games, Hard Corps and Bloodlines. Totally worth it, and I've since discovered a lot more on the Genesis that's to my taste than I expected! But with the Framemeister giving me a way to play the Genesis without resorting to composite video was the last push I needed to finally buy the system. Coury, on the other hand, is the life-long Sega kid.

***** Well this whole introduction to the framemeister introduced you to the Genesis and him to the NES, I'd say it's a win win situation :)

+My Life in Gaming Seeing that wallpaper of various Phantasy Star characters made me so jealous.

+My Life in Gaming you guys do an absolutely amazing well informed, well detailed job with your video's , Extremely professional quality and input...Huge and I mean HUGE fan...you guys are a real inspiration...I was looking for videos that go really deep into detail on how to get the most excellent video quality from retro consoles especially for let's players that want to play on the original hardware and getting the most bang possible ...you guys are definitely the GO TOO channel for that. Love your work ...KEEP IT UP !!! Proud subscriber.

SEGA !!

I was trying to recall what that was.

Well to be more precise the NES port of the original metal gear

*Is it connected to your soundbar too or stereo system?!?*

***** [Try4ce] The big difference in Genesis emulation releases seems to be who developed it... Coury noted the developer in our ending comparisons. M2 is famous for treating the original material with more care and respect than a lot of other developers! They also handled the 3D Sega ports for the 3DS, as well as the better Wii U emulators, like GBA.

***** The saturation and brightness can always be increased in the RGB side. I think a lot of the "it looks pretty close" moments in the comparisons wouldn't be that close if brightness and saturation were set to the same levels. Even with the current settings, I could still see more detail in the RGB side.

Ethan is Cool I used to play them as a kid. My interest ended around the same time the 16-bit era died. I guess watching these videos reminds me of my childhood. Im not quite sure but I enjoy his videos.

YESSSS

would love to see a Saturn Episode!

Saturn is their next RGB episode.

YOU MUST PLAY SEGA SATURN IN RGB!!!

I've been waiting for this episode since newer XRGB firmware have kinda broken Saturn support, for me at least.

+Juan Ruocco [Try4ce] Awesome!! It really is crazy, it's definitely better in person than I expected before I owned one. Glad you're enjoying it!

Craig Luft [Coury] Thanks! That was my favorite part of the video!

Frixed Dubzcore Toro VGA Box is the best. Done

What if your using a CRT, than the dc HDMI is useless, the only exception is using a PVM that supports 720p, and HD SDI, along with an adapter.

+InnovaX5 [Coury] The most basic idea of these were to make videos on the subject we wished existed when we started. Easy to understand but fun to watch and getting as deep as needed. We are planning on doing "point" updates for videos if new tech comes out (ex. "RGB202.1"). The Analogue Nt is something we'd love to get our hands on, and that would be a good impetus for us to do an update video.

+treepizzle I'll pass on the CRT.

+Lord Rayken yeah after having a flat screen i could never go back to a CRT

***** i thought about that to but theres plenty of light gun stuff on the wii to keep me hapy

Except that, by nature, CRT's have a limited lifespan =( Too many mechanical parts. That's why devices like the Framemeister are so important

***** Haha fair enough! I wish I had that ability, but I'm in college and will be moving a ton, so I have had to get rather creative with keeping my game collection mobile

Yep, ☹️☹️☹️☹️

Nah, they only became common in the mid 90s. I remember all my TVs never had RGB so I had to ask my mom to specifically buy an expensive one for xmas just for RGB. That was around '93 or '94.

No it the av6 sega genesis mod 1 mk- 1601

yea

Venkata Rama Rao Mallela Do you always answer your own questions?

No.

Venkata Rama Rao Mallela it’s pronounced try four see e

SuperDerek RPG Reviews [Coury] One other person said the same - I'd heard that it got rid of jailbars, but all of the captures I did (not the still Sonic image) were via a 32X on a Genesis 1. I actually even did straight capture from the Genesis as well and still got the same level of jailbars. I'll definitely have to do some more research - I mean it makes total sense. I didn't try to capture just straight composite with the 32X though since the segment was so short, but thats another great point. When we eventually get to the point updates to these episodes, I'll definitely be sure to test and address all that.

***** Oh cool! Well I just figured you guys didn't mention it since the video is about getting the BEST picture, not the second best picture from your Genesis. ;) Great video as always though guys. :)

***** Yes, using a 32X and it's composite output gets rid of the rainbow bars that many normal Genesis units have. It also makes dithering much more clear. But to be honest, I can spot dithering a mile away even with an RF connection.

Profiles streamlined and ready for download! All colored bordering for both 4x and 5x profiles is 100% completely removed. The package can be downloaded at the bottom of my Framemeister page here: www.firebrandx.com/pixelpurist.html

KarbuncleX [Try4ce] This is exciting! I haven't updated my Framemeister profiles in a little while, but this one is very important.

***** Indeed! I will say that Artemio's 240p Test Suit was a MAJOR help. His grid test patterns for both 320 and 256 and the ability to turn on colored borders in them made alignment a LOT less of a headache. Then his scrolling vertical grid allowed me to dial in the zoom settings until they were perfectly scaled to 4x.

[Try4ce] Ha yep, forgot about that.

Mellow Gaming [Try4ce] I enjoyed playing some Genesis games on the Wii Virtual Console for a while, but for me, it was the Genesis Konami games that were always out of reach. Since getting a Genesis, Contra Hard Corps and Rocket Knight Adventures are my two favorite games on the system (so far), and you can't get them any other way than for the original console!

Yeah, and the way Konami is now the chances of seeing them any time soon is slim. There's a bunch of games by Capcom and Virgin Entertainment I'd like to see get releases.

urdnal I think it should have read, High Resolution Graphics

It said what it should've said, atariborn!

It's a beautiful phrase. Just not as beautiful as the the pal and Japanese versions!

Console Wars [Try4ce] It's a sound issue moreso than a graphics issue. But not all model 1s have the "best" sound, either. If you buy a "High Definition Graphics" console, then there's a pretty good chance it has the best Genesis audio, but there ARE some revisions of the "High Definition Graphics" model that also have "bad" sound. That said, if you feel you enjoy the sound from your model 2 just fine, then I'd say stick with it.

Model 1 has mono audio Model 2 has stereo audio

Rahman Ad.22, while true utilizing the AV cable on the model 1 will give mono sound, running an aux cable out of the headphone jack into speakers gives amazing sound. I have both models and my early edition model 1 sound blows the model 2 sound away.

Doesn't the sega cd have audio enhancements if you use it's audio plugs

Model 1 has stereo output on headphone jack, can control volume with a slider, mono audio on the back. Most of the Model 1 has the best audio and a bugged sound chip developers (specially music creators) exploited subtly (the famous YM2612). Model 2 has stereo output on the back. Lacks a headphones jack or a volume slider. Sounds crap because of the embedded sound chip into the processor (the infamous YM3438). Needs an audio mod to sound like Model 1's sound chip, and keeping the "improvements" of this one. Which one is your favorite?

Rick V. [Try4ce] Of course! Heck, I've got some consoles connected to a CRT with RF and composite, just because sometimes the nostalgic look is fun. I sure do enjoy sharp pixels, though. I was actually already pretty happy playing consoles like SNES in S-Video, even on an LCD TV, but I've also found trying to get everything to look as good as it can is pretty fun too.

Rick V. [Coury] Absolutely! With these videos, we always want to drive the point where no matter what you choose to do, thats all that matters. We want to show most of the options and all that really matters what makes you happy.

Adam Zey Just be warned that component won't help incorrect upscaling of 240p if your HDTV is guilty of it. Drop shadows will not display properly, and any sort of graphics that alternate horizontally will either be full-solid or invisible or 'combed'. The ONLY way to fix those issues is to get a quality external upscaler like the Framemeister. Retrovision's cables are best suited for those with low-res CRTs that accept component input, or the rare HDTV that actually handles 240p properly if you're lucky.

+KarbuncleX I'm not sure the problem is that serious in the end: of the two dozen games that I've got, only one (Super Mario Kart) seems to do anything that bad scalers mishandle, so for most games (or for anybody who has a TV with a good scaler) then the Framemeister would not be required. Furthermore, the retrovision cables will be the best option for the Framemeister for most people. Doing RGB directly from the SNES to the Framemeister is tricky, because you've got to worry about composite sync vs sync-on-composite, PAL vs NTSC cables (they're actually different cables due to an extra resistor needed), SCART vs JP-21... Or you can just use the component cable, where all that stuff is already taken care of. Plus the cables are already tuned for the specific consoles (in terms of levels), requiring less tweaking on the framemeister... Plus you can use readily available component video switchers for multiple consoles, wheras I don't think anybody has ever found a SCART switcher that works with the framemeister. Monoprice sells a 4-input component switcher for twenty bucks. So you can buy the HD Retrovision cables today (well, when available) for use on your TV directly, and if you decide to buy a Framemeister in the future, you've already got a good cable to connect directly to it (via a passive d-terminal adapter) without having to order expensive JP-21 cables. Plus, component cables connect to the rear of the framemeister, not the front like RGB, so you get to have a tidier setup too.

Adam Zey Have to disagree with you on a few counts. For example, the moment I hooked a SNES up to my Sony HDTV, I immediately noticed the incorrect upscaling of the 240p signal. All shadows that should flicker at 30 fps were instead combed and solid in the comb sections. Also your point about the component cables being easier to hook into a Framemeister is technically correct, but you have to consider the enthusiast willing to pony up the money to buy a Framemeister in the first place will want the purist possible signal coming from their console. In this regard, the extra processing chip used in the Retrovision cable isn't needed when you've already got a Framemeister. On top of that, the cables cost just as much as getting a SCART or JP-21 cable. Ultimately it boils down to what I said before in the Retrovision cables are a superb choice for CRTs and some HDTVs, but there's really no point to missing out on RGB if you have a Framemeister.

+KarbuncleX I found that few games seemed to use flicker-shadows (SMK was the only one I came across, although I didn't test each game extensively, and shadows may be used in parts I didn't check). I'd argue that it's possible the HDR cables may produce a better image on the framemeister than straight-up RGB due to being designed for the specific consoles, but it's also possible the framemeister may be able to do similar corrections (or that there is no appreciable difference either way), but that would need to wait for the release of the cables to find out. That said, there is still convenience, particularly being able to use a component switch connected to the rear of the framemeister, instead of having to manually swap SCART cables as MLIG needs to do. If I ponied up the cash for a framemeister, I'd likely want to have less hassle. Personally, though, I'm holding out hope that kevtris will do an HDMI mod for the SNES as he did for the NES, which would render the framemeister obsolete at least as far as the SNES is concerned. In that case you're avoiding analog entirely by pulling digital signals from the console before the analog conversion takes place in the first place, and minimizing latency by buffering only a few scanlines at a time. He's said he's considering doing the SNES and genesis as his next project now that the NES HDMI mod is done. Until then, I'll grab the component cables cables as an upgrade to the S-VIDEO cables that I currently use on my SNES.

darthv72 [Coury] Thank you! I was looking for info and heard that some models of the X'Eye were not capable of doing RGB. Now this makes total sense!