Coyote Gulch?

For sure. Ultra light things are one of the greatest scams ever created. "We have used as little material as possible, and don't include any framing system, so we are going to need to charge you more for that, mmmkay" And ultra lighters eat this shit up. 😂 Car manufacturers need to try this. "Hey guys, we've only put in a 3cyl instead of the usual V6, and also no entertainment system or a/c, and only one door, but it's suuuuper light so we're going to need to charge you double."

@@pauls.9819 🤣🤣🤣

​@@pauls.9819 . The same thing with food & drink company's that say less salt &or sugar, etc.

​@@pauls.9819 If you prefer car camping that's fine. Nobody judges you for that idk why you wrote a novel judging others lol

@@rickrollins6640 sorry bro, didn't realize you were so ultra sensitive. Promise I didn't mean to hurt your ultra light feelings.

Lol

. 2 & ya got yourself a 2 thousand dollar sleeping bag. Ha.Ha.Ha

And a trash bag for after the end of your trip 😅

My lightweight tent does indeed double as a poncho! It's called the gatewood cape, by six moon designs. Luckily it didn't cost $600.

😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣this will live rent free in my head for some time 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

Because after crushing miles, you sleep right through it.

Because comfort is not the point of UL i guess.

Oh? I'd dislike that.

A few ear plugs do wonders

​@@AlexAnteMachinacan you imagine an ultralight backpacker wanting to increase weight with earplugs? 😂

Yes but most don’t have the equipment or skills to do that. dyneema is notoriously hard to work with

That is generally referred to as a tarp shelter and many ultralight hikers choose that route for cost and weight savings

You & 100 friends can then go camping for the price of one tent!

Tried it once except that I used an emergency blanket. Mosquitoes were attempting to eat me the entire night , but it was rather comfortable a did it's job.

​@@FlatlandMando😂

ice

Did you tested them?

Absolutely. I have the Duplex and appreciate the extra room.

My duplex feels like a palace when I'm alone and if I'm with someone else there is still sufficient room for a snug two to sleep. I paid good money for the Duplex but it's ease of setting up and how small it packs down and lightweight it is, makes it worth the hefty price tag.

The Duplex in all colors except 1, is only 19 ounces.

How about condensation in this tent? How does it handles rain amd wind?

@@markcummings6856 not the older ones 👌🏽

@@dzonhmf6475 The condensation hasn't been too bad because it's easy to sleep with the doors open and not get wet, but even when it has been sealed shut it's no more than any other single wall tint. It handles wind really well although I'm not sure what the speed was those two nights I was in the storm, but I will say this thing laughs at water because the material does not absorb anything at all.

I’ve used this tent for over a year. The fabric has lasted for several hundred nights on trail

It's a very, very durable fabric.

This is the same material they make the rope out of for winches. Stronger then steel cable.

Over a year... Several hundred nights.... Something ain't adding up here

​@mattfantastic9969 how many nights has your year?

Thru hikers usually use the trekking poles as intended the tent then uses the trekking pole but you are already using them so its not part of the tent weight... plus tge tent doesn't include trekking poles so its not part of the tent... you could use a stick on the ground but the sticks weight wouldn't be part of the tents weight because its not part of the tent... its a stick

or you know, you could find a stick

Yes tarps are shelters

My tarp shelter doubles as rain gear for me and my pack too... so my shelter is not only lighter than yours, I also dont have to carry additional rain gear. It also only cost $95.

I almost peed myself laughing at this comment

388 grams. Sorry for not putting it on screen

​@@NJGardengirl1961 there are some nice women diapers xd

Why? Serious inquisitor.

@@alexkevhikeswell when you’re hiking 2500 miles every ounce counts

I can eat a cactus

Best tent I’ve ever owned!

Makes me think: what if your bag could be your tent?

@@starshot5172 I put all my gear in my tarp and wrap it up, then tie it to a roycraft pack frame I made myself. So, my bag is my tent.

Dyneema is expensive

@@Ryan-yi5ro no that makes sense I'm just saying does a lighter tent have any purpose beyond being easier to carry? I'm genuinely curious, I don't camp lol

@@finn_in_the_bin5263Dyneema is the lightest material but also the strongest. It is completely water proof and doesn't sag like other materials. If you are thruhiking for 4-6 months straight you want your pack to be as light as possible. The Xmid pro is far superior to Zpacks tents though.

@@Ryan-yi5ro ok that's good information to know! I like to learn about this cause I do plan to camp in the future, just not until I move to a place much less hostile to my sensory issues than where I live now lmao

There is a reason actually. Zpacks is a cottage company that does not have the resources of a major brand like REI or Eddie Bauer, so their stuff is mire expensive for them to manufacture. Additionally, the fabric known as DCF or cuben fiber is not being produced at mass, and is therefore very expensive to obtain, thus drastically raising the price even more.

The x-mod pro 1 has a lot of advantages for very little weight.

For sure. Check out Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo. Same design and twice as heavy but only$250. Or the Lanshan Pro 1. $169. Even at twice the weight those tents are still really light.

@@MyLifeOutdoors Thanks for the response and recommendations! You really are one of the best channels for backpacking!

3af UL Gear LanShan 1p Pro.Durston X-Mid 1p mesh v2

@@MyLifeOutdoorsI have the lunar solo, it’s a great bit of kit

Could recommend naturehike tents. Pretty good quality and really good prices. (sometimes less than 75dlls) There durable, pretty compact and relatively lightweight with 1,8 kgs (3,9lbs). I’veen tested in some camping trips and works well. Sorry for my English (not native angloparlant), hope could help you with your tent election :)

poles are in the "wearable" group bc you use it just like the clothes you are wearing, I don't consider them as base weight.

@@Marcus_Aurelius.I see, so clothes are not included in the base weight. Just the tent, sleeping system, the rucksack and food setup?

I can’t remember how tall the pile needs to be but as long as a z-fold is tall enough it will work. Adjustable poles are probably preferred for this tent

Any pole that goes to 125cm or so. I set mine at 130cm for maximum interior room.

Ummm no you don’t. I’ve been in high alpine Colorado storms for days in this tent and never had a problem.🤷🏽

@@matthewhein9012 Thats as maybe, but where I come from condensation certainly would be a problem. I like the tent but it ain't gonna work in some environments.

DCF's primary benefit is that it's strong enough while being super lightweight. It's upside are that it has good tear strength as long as you pull parallel to the embedded Dyneema strands and it doesn't lose it's tear strength when it gets wet, unlike nylon. It's also very waterproof without needing to be treated and maintains it's as-new HH rating longer than nylon or polyester. It's downsides are that it has rather poor tear resistance when pulled diagonally to the strands (think wind, falling tree branches and tripping over guy wires) and is also prone to permanent deformation. DCF has very low puncture and abrasion resistance and is prone to seepage from micropunctures that are near to impossible to find and repair, all of which makes it a poor choice for floor material. It's also prone to creasing if you pack it too tightly, leave it packed for too long, stuff it or always fold it the same way. At the end of the day, if all you're doing is fairweather thruhiking or weekending and only pitch at established campsites, it's probably fine as long as you're careful with it. On the other hand, if you're beating around off trail and only God knows where or when you might have to pitch, this isn't the kind of tent you want to have to rely on.

Most tru hikers already use trekking poles, all tents need stakes, and all tents are just a peice of fabric until you add poles. So what's your point?

Make one yourself then

No 20 x 20 sil nylon tarp on this planet can weigh 10 ounces! Even if it was made of Dyneema at 20 by 20 it would weigh more than 10 ounces.

Because it's a single person tent and they're hunting for every gram. It only needs one pole so only using one pole means they can use less material and less material = less weight. Plus, you get to hang onto a pole for shooing away snakes and scraping the chiggers off your back.

Me when I don't know what a tent is

Most thru hikers use hiking poles regardless, so it makes sense to use them as your tent poles.

Yes of course

@@MyLifeOutdoors 😁I ask because it doesn’t always seem to be a requirement now…. We even have to have sealed seams as an extra

You use one pole. A trekking pole.

@@LUCKY_LARRY ok, for those who only use one pole on their trip, I'm curious how much it weigh because I don't use trekking poles.

@@willek1335 ZPacks offers a carbon pole ($30/2.6 oz.)

Adding up all the micro-transactions to pitch the Zpacks Solo Plex in its minimum configuration. 395 grams for the tent 80 grams for the pole 32.4 - 54 grams for 6-10 stakes 507.2 - 529 grams total, or 17.9 - 18.6 oz. Terra Nova Laser Pulse Ultra 1 Minimum Weight 0.45Kg ( 16oz). It's an all-included package of stakes, poles and tent fly. I guess some reviews will label Solo Plex as "world's lightest," when it's a cheap marketing trick.

@@willek1335 - Terra Nova's website claims 490 g (17.284 oz). The Solo Plex, if someone uses a trekking pole, or a stick, or an overhanging branch(according to your numbers) would be 449 g (15.838 oz.). I have no dog in this race. I carry a Tarptent and I dig it.