Great video. A lot of information spoke about. Mr Lawton knows a lot about his pipes. Well done both

Great film well done pb and Mr Lawton, I love Lawton copper products. Lawton copper is king, Thank you 👍👍👍

Great demonstration and information thank you to Lawton and Peter well done guys 👍🏼🙂♥️

I keep my formers clean and also thinly coat them with a little silicone grease. Smooth ripple free bends.

Hi Lawton tubes & PB - Many years ago I decided to invest in the purchase of a Rems Curvo electric pipe bender - primarily for bending stainless tubing which it does with great ease and perfect bends - I also hoped to use the machine for bending standard British plumbing copper tube 22mm to 35mm - however I was very disappointed to find that the copper tube rippled badly using the Rems machine. Only after many phone calls to Rems did I eventually manage to get an answer as to why this was happening - it turned out that the machine was designed for the European copper standard - this is now table Y in Britain which as Lawton tubes have clearly explained is a thicker walled tube but with the same hardness (half hard). Great informative video Lawton.

In days of old when it was either galvanised iron or lead pipe then came copper pipe and we all believed the copper-to-iron fitting was the best fitting ever invented. Copper pipe came in, Blue band Yellow band, and Red band, Blue band being the thickest wall. Yes I was an apprentice to Noah. .

Really useful video as I'm only now starting in the trade. once again, nice one PB and thanks Lawton tubes.

Very interesting. Nice seeing a video of some use for a change.

So it begs the question, why don’t we use the 1mm wall thickness tube in the U.K. as standard and drop the 0.7mm

Been 20yrs since we used Copper in America for residential. Everything is PEX now. Nice to see copper being used .

Aye Mr Lawton knows his shit mate 👍

I've had the odd ripple, and I put it down to the benders need a little cleaning.

Fascinating

Love a bit of table Y we use it for condensate lines and solar when brazing

Because most heating systems in UK don’t run at very high pressures so making 0.7mm more than suitable for the job so why pay 30% more for a tube that’s not necessary.

When I was learning I was told it's all in technique and he also proved to me why, he showed me how he could purposely ripple copper and it's all in the technique of bending. Hard to explain but it's basically to do with one fixed point and one moving point, not moving them together like scissors? I dunno something like that

Pb there making it look effortless with 15mm unit that bloke

I’ve had Bahco bender and for that reason got rid of it. Monument master bender is the way forward

Sometimes it ripples due to pulling the bend too fast.

Will I have any problems using a 15mm pipe with a few little ripples in a cold water pipe?

Have my dads record benders over 45years old still spot on

The water pressure in Europe is higher than the UK and seem to use pressure reducers at the mains in coming?🤔

"Would a standard elbow fit on this?" he asked, not realizing that using elbows make the entire bending issues irrelevant.

What benders are those that are being used?

Interesting

Wall thickness on the fittings look thicker than the pipe wall ..?

I have found over the years that if your pipe guide is not fully engaged in the pipe bender, your pipe will ripple regardless.

My new hillmor bender creases 22mm I blame the copper thickness and did my old bender

And finally we get the Answer we get sold shit pipe in the uk . Thanks pb for answering my all time question 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 I have bought loads of bloody benders trying to stop it

I've had a pair of bahco 15mm benders for over 12 years very rarely does it ripple just use it properly

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I had a set of screwfix pipe benders that i used for many years . They were great but started rippling. I figured they were worn out so i bought some new hilmor benders that day, which also rippled the same pipe. I figured it was the pipe at fault. I often work with a mate. He has rothenberger benders. He pulls a bend no ripples, i pull a bend in the same pipe with the same benders and it ripples. So im guessing its me and my technique some how? 🤷‍♂️

Dodgey Copper !! Plenty around 🤣

Having recently worked on my old ½" copper pipes, I was amazed how much thicker the walls were compared to modern 15mm. On bending the 15mm I found every second bend ended up slightly rippled, even using a new pipe bender & the same tubing. Basically modern stuff is c*** compared to the past.

well interesting ,, so a bit of pipe is not just a bit of pipe ,,,,

The old red line copper pipe couldn't be bent . Table Y could be used underground if I remember correctly.

En mi opinión está bien pero cuando doblas se estira i sea delgasa la pared del tubo y más rápido liquea eso es bueno para la electricidad porque nada más yeba cables en miopinion

We commonly bent 35, 42 & 54mm copper tube with a Ratchet Bender in the 80 & 90’s. Though maybe 90degree bends in these sizes are not common, kicks & offsets are still required. I’ve a 15mm Bacho Bender & it bends without ripples. Anyone want to buy it, make me an offer👍👍

It's the benders, they are very bad quality. They have lower tooling tolerances since they moved to production to China. Buy a 2nd hand bender or a bend it now. Want to 180 15mm bender, get a 2nd hand record solo. I got one for £15 never rippled a bend.

it never used too

You're only supposed to bend the bloody pipe!

Table Y tube wall is 43% thicker than Table X, not 30% thicker.

But in the real world how much is rippling really an issue?

Logo looks too familiar

There is some one at fault it happens very regular

Europe use 14mm or 16mm pipe not 15mm

“Who knew?” The information is out there, so why would anyone *not* know?! I’m certain the UK has the laziest and most stupid plumbers in the world.

Looks like I need a new bender then , my old rothenberg ripples most time