NABU #1 Personal Computer Overview

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John's Basement

John's Basement

Жыл бұрын

A look at the NABU Personal Computer.
This system has a similar design as the Z80 Retro! board with a TMS9918 VDP.
You can support this channel on Patreon! / johnsbasement
This video is part of a KZfaq playlist/series: • Z80 Retro
The github repos seen in this video:
github.com/johnwinans/2063-Z8...
Related project hardware repos:
github.com/johnwinans/2063-Z80
github.com/johnwinans/2065-Z8...
A discord to discuss this and related projects: / discord
A Hackaday page for Z80 Retro! projects:
hackaday.io/project/182190-z8...
Music used in this video (Vibe Tracks, Alternate) was downloaded from the KZfaq Audio Library: kzfaq.info_...
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@saturn5tony
@saturn5tony Жыл бұрын
Wow awesome intro for this Nabu John. Just got mine a few days ago and so looking forward with hacking into this monster. I'm so much like you in that I want to make it a personal home/lab system and not follow the hcca archetecture that a few Nabu-ers are doing. Along with understanding z80 stuff (I'm an old retired 6502 guy) and knowledge of the 9918 from my ti99/4 days, this is gonna be fun! Thanks also for the schematic overview as well. This was a fine review of my hardware days back in the 70s and 80s. Mostly code stuff since then. Thanks :) -Tony
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words! This stuff was and still is a ton of fun!
@kenny.maytum
@kenny.maytum Жыл бұрын
Excellent John! Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get out and exercise the Z80-ICE some. Looking forward to the next installment.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Indeed it is!
@maarkaus48
@maarkaus48 Жыл бұрын
Not heard of these. I am Canadian and have lived in the Ottawa area for years, keeping my eyes open for old computer tech, and this one has passed me by. Very interesting bit of history. Thank you for sharing it.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
You're welcome. You can find some recent NABU activity at nabu.ca.
@andymouse
@andymouse Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, after watching Adrians channel I thought this sounds like fun and surely somebody will make a series out of getting an OS on this thing, and I think your the first. I have never seen or used that much stuff around a crystal before I use a couple of load caps about 20pF and be done with it, however I have never used IC's from this era so that may be it. Sadly my VIC 20 disappeared years ago, but I look forward to where you go with this...cheers.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Yeah. me too.
@markevans2294
@markevans2294 Жыл бұрын
Also saw this on Adrian Black's channel. He wondered if it might be similar hardwarewise to MSX.
@mattirwin9005
@mattirwin9005 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the video, lots of good info. The guy that was on the picture that said Magic (the person you called Disco Stu) is magician Doug Henning.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
🤔 and then some! Douglas James Henning (May 3, 1947 - February 7, 2000) was a Canadian magician, illusionist, escape artist and politician.
@stannovacki2406
@stannovacki2406 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these on order and was thinking "this is the sort of thing that John's Basement needs to take a look at." I've read some of the ROM routines and they sound like they could be useful. I was thinking an ICE wuold be very helpful to investigate what code is already extant and possibly reusuable. I'm looking forward to everything/anything you have to say about this little beast!
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Every time I record something about it, someone else posts it! :-D I have had a few chats with Greg Starks about adding an SD card and porting the Retro BIOS over to it. I think he will have some good results if you want to replace the boot ROM. DJ Sures looks like he is trying to create an 'Adaptor' and cable feed simulator so it can download and run the original applications without modifying the NABU. Greg and I, however, have found that we HAD to at least alter the fans in the power supplies as mine was seized and his was scraping the sides of the housing. Watch Greg's video before you open yours: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5l0mtGpntPSp3k.html ...or at LEAST, as I have, install a GFCI on your bench power source!
@YoutubeBorkedMyOldHandle_why
@YoutubeBorkedMyOldHandle_why Жыл бұрын
I'm tearing up with all the memories, and am reminded of another Canadian "computer" from the era. Back in the early 80's, after the Apple II and PETs were all the rage, but prior to the Macintosh, the Ontario Ministry of Education realized that computers were going to be needed in education, so they made plans to standardize. However, (very Canadian), rather than use an off the shelf commercial product like everybody else, they decided to design and build their own. This was considered ridiculous even back then, though they did this for all the B.S. political arguments such as: being 'Canadian', keeping the jobs local, adding French, etc. I also think there is something to the argument that they didn't like the one thing which made computers popular ... games. No, they wanted to do with computers, what they had done with all other educational disciplines ... make them boring. Anyway, they came up something called the ICON, but which everyone else called the 'Bionic Beaver', based on the Intel 80186 and running QNX (an early Unix-like os.) Notable features: the machines were networked to a central file server, used 8" floppies, had a sort of graphical interface, and used a trackball instead of a mouse. Not surprisingly, it was way over due, way over budget, painfully slow, extremely expensive (even with massive government subsidies), and universally hated. In short ... it was an ABYSMAL failure, as everyone knew it would be. According to Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_(microcomputer)): "A 1992 article on the topic complained: Bette Stephenson (Minister of Education) favored top-down decision making and as a result got trapped by her tunnel vision. Her ICON computer fiasco drained millions from the provincial treasury and created a white elephant scorned by boards and shunned by teachers.... Computer resources were forced upon the school system as a result of a top-down government decision that was taken precipitously and without research. The Ministry ceased all support for the ICON in 1994, making it orphaned technology, and the Archives of Ontario declined to take ICON hardware and copies of the ICON software, which were destroyed." Wow ... that sucks! Even their own Archives thought it had no value. I actually had the opportunity to try one of these. I was taking a computer course back in the 80's, and had arrived late for class. Everyone else had their machines up and running, but I turned mine on and nothing happened. "Don't worry ... it takes some time to boot up", I was told. Seriously, it took over 25 minutes to boot. This class held was in a university lab. Significant, since I don't ever recall seeing one in a school where they were intended to be used. I doubt that it's even possible to buy one of these today ... but if you could, I'm pretty sure it would be real cheap ;-)
@kippie80
@kippie80 Жыл бұрын
Well, the nick name is very Canadian too. UK did better in this era, you can say, the BBC nurtured the creation of what has now become the most prolific cpu architecture today and for some time to come, ARM -- From the BBC Micro project.
@sparthir
@sparthir Жыл бұрын
DJ Sures seems to be making great progress in communicating to the NABU. Check out their KZfaq channel. :) Got "Hello World!" printing to the screen. So before you tear this apart it might be worth seeing the outcome of his and others progress. They're talking about developing a server for it so you could get them connected to the internet and running software from the server. Even discussing getting CP/M running on it.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It looks like he is making progress! Lots going on! I've also been talking to someone that has been working on a replacement EPROM and plugin board with an SD card to boot CP/M using the Retro BIOS.
@darkwinter6028
@darkwinter6028 Жыл бұрын
Grabbed one also… and installed the z88dk C compiler & assembler on my MacBook Pro yesterday. The expansion slots look like they’re really easy to interface to, so I figure that I should be able to whip up a SD card module for it.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
I talked to Greg Starks last night. He has reverse engineered the EPROM, written a replacement with a monitor, built an SD card adaptor, and is porting the Z80 retro! BIOS to it. 😳 By January, the network boot code is likely to be posted by DJsures and a self-booting CP/M with SD card support should be posted by Greg Starks. I will support patches for Greg's work in my retro bios. I don't know DJ but I suspect there'd be much in common between the network boot and Greg's work too. Heck, the Z80 retro could probably network boot in the same way. 🤔
@PebblesChan
@PebblesChan Жыл бұрын
Have you looked at the TI 99/4 Video circuit schematic for reference yet?
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Didn't feel a whole lotta love for its bipolar power supply. Unless you are suggesting that they left L202 and R209 unpopulated and installed W205 (and maybe W206) to run the naked video signal out of the VDP directly into the 75-ohm output jack. Best I can figure is that all the rest of the parts in there are doing DC restoration on the signal. That is only necessary if the bias on the video is too large for the DC restoration on the monitor to be able to handle it.... which, by the way, is what I think is causing the video from my NABU (and at least one other one I saw on KZfaq) from looking over-driven and having poor saturation. Maybe I could try inserting a 10uF in series with the output jack to see if that will get the signal into the ballpark. Of course the picture will do ugly things when quickly switching from dark to light (and vice versa) when using such a naive circuit to rid the bias from the signal... which *is* present on the VDP output and there is also also be present on any simple follower amp circuit from the Ciarcia design to every RC2014 design I've seen and the NABU's design. So... what are you proposing?
@vasyasmanager2you
@vasyasmanager2you Жыл бұрын
As suggestion for what to do with it, you can assemble DYI "modem" network card actually (instead of bulky set-top adapter) of modern RF modulator + RF switch (same as in NABU PC) and modern microcomputer with WiFi module ("ARDUINO UNO WiFi REV2" or likewise) with embedded CP/M v3.0, which will emulate connection to cable network. And then try to connect to internet by WiFi (microcomputer will take care of connection to router and data transmission).
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
🤔 It looks like DJ Sures is making progress on a PC gateway. I'm interested in seeing how that goes for a while.
@vasyasmanager2you
@vasyasmanager2you Жыл бұрын
B in NABU stands for Bi-directional (search for "NABU Network" on the internet), so it is bi-directional by design. In fact internet says that it failed and bankrupted because cable system infrastructure wasn't ready for bi-directional communications. ...
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Back in the day cable systems had pretty crummy back-channels. No one needed them so the local operators didn't care about getting their networks tuned for them.
@vasyasmanager2you
@vasyasmanager2you Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsBasement As of 2022 my cable company seems to not care about getting their networks tuned either. Every major rain flood shuts cable internet. 🤦‍♂
@vasileceteras
@vasileceteras Жыл бұрын
The name reminds me of the Star Wars Naboo, so that's how I pronounce it. This device is a treasure chest, a great find for those who can get one!
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
The seller will probably catch up in a few weeks. Keep your eyes peeled.
@sebastian19745
@sebastian19745 Жыл бұрын
"A 4K byte ROM contains ... ... software which can communicate with the HCCA or a floppy disk to allow for bootstrapping". For me it seems that this thing is able to boot from a floppy. Am I right? And if so, how an end user will connect the floppy? May be an external one like C64 had? Seen the DIN adapter connector, I think that there one could connect an external floppy disk unit. Have you checked the pinout? A remote possibility is that it may be compatible with the C64 floppy.
@markevans2294
@markevans2294 Жыл бұрын
This HCCA interface is EIA RS422 @ 111 kbps. Whilst the Commodore interface is a serial version of IEEE-488 with a theoretical maximum speed of ~50 kbps. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_bus#Transfer_speed No way you could just plug this into a 1541...
@hermanhoekstra7498
@hermanhoekstra7498 Жыл бұрын
Where can i download the pdf from Greg starks
@hermanhoekstra7498
@hermanhoekstra7498 Жыл бұрын
I found it on his GitHub
@justovision
@justovision Жыл бұрын
I have one of these on the way as well. Can you post a link to that "manual" please?
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Greg stark put together the one I showed in this video: github.com/starkscon/NABU-z80
@justovision
@justovision Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsBasement Thank you!
@darkwinter6028
@darkwinter6028 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had recently built stuff that didn’t have the bag on the power cord show up with styrofoam melted into the insulation. Recently built as in less than 6 months before I opened the box.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
I guess that is a confirm on that theory!
@rickshear495
@rickshear495 Жыл бұрын
This gentleman ( www.youtube.com/@DJSures ) has been working on a "Network Adapter" software replacement and has just got a "Hello World" on the screen. He uses the RS422 adapbter (He has a recommended one on Amazon) to communicate directly with the un-modified NABU Computer. I've been watching his series of NABU videos because, like you, I ordered one which should arrive today. I'm eager to see where you take this project! You have drummed up the teenager in me and have me wanting to learn Z80 Assembly. Hopefully it's not too late for this 57yr old brain to grasp... but hey, I like a challenge. Thank you so much for your great content.
@kippie80
@kippie80 Жыл бұрын
Used to do 6502 back in the day. Since lock-down, reviewed that, learned ARM, ... Z80 should be sinch and fun. Thinking of porting my TI-85 to this and then would like to program in Rust. There are LLVM back-ends to Z80.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
I did not know that. I may have to have a look at LLVM for some C development!
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
I saw that too. It looks like he has his server simulator working. Seems right that a Canadian hacker is the one to do it.
@hermanhoekstra7498
@hermanhoekstra7498 Жыл бұрын
Hello John I have ordered one from eBay mellpill listed some more As i am from the Netherlands we use 230 volt here Is it possible to set the power supply to 230 or must i use a converter I hope you or someone else can give me some tips Greetings herman
@DavidLatham-productiondave
@DavidLatham-productiondave Жыл бұрын
I replaced the PSU in my nabu with a MEAN WELL RQ-65B 62.5W AC-DC..
@hermanhoekstra7498
@hermanhoekstra7498 Жыл бұрын
Hello David I looked at a picture and it fits perfect so i try to buy one
@DavidLatham-productiondave
@DavidLatham-productiondave Жыл бұрын
@@hermanhoekstra7498 you will need to take the fan out too. It's rated for 120v The meanwell doesn't appear to need any cooling, but you could always try with a std 12v fan and wire that up. I've not bothered. The wiring you need is: -12v blue(1) +12v grey(1) orange(2) GND black(3) +5v red(3) Numbers in brackets are the number of wires in each colour. Check which screw terminals on the PSU you buy have the these voltages. Mine has a sticker on the side with the voltage assignments. Also check the Canadian power standards for power colours. So you wire the right main power leads into the PSU correctly.
@hermanhoekstra7498
@hermanhoekstra7498 Жыл бұрын
Hello David Latham Thanks for the info It is all clear, i allso think a fan is not needed as the mean well is more energy efficiant as the original The NABU is shipped yesterday so i have some weeks to order the power supply and the rs 422 adapter So for now i can use the emulator
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
This is a link to a video showing someone that replaced their power supply. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nMV2gtqVnsjep5c.html
@pikadroo
@pikadroo Жыл бұрын
Can’t find them anymore. All these 8bit channels snatched them. Isn’t the finish on that metal of the case considered to be a known carcinogen?
@stephaneauger1036
@stephaneauger1036 Жыл бұрын
nabu is all over youtube now----haha---do you nabu hahaha
@Otakunopodcast
@Otakunopodcast Жыл бұрын
Heard about these when Adrian of Adrian's Digital Basement did a video on them this weekend. Checked the auction listing and it sad that they still had plenty available at the time, so I bookmarked it so that I could come back to it when I got paid in a few days. Unfortunately I just checked and it looks like the seller has taken down the listing. I'm not sure if it's because they ran out, or if it was for a different reason. (I sent them a message on eBay but so far have not heard back from them.) My understanding from what I've heard around the Interwebs is that they had pallets full of these things available, so them running out in the span of a weekend sounds rather farfetched to me. Pity, as I am a sucker for these kinds of weird/obscure/forgotten hardware things, and I was looking forward to hacking it.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
The seller said that he's been swamped and having trouble keeping up with the orders. I don't know if they're out of stock yet but he had on the order of a thousand when I ordered mine a few weeks ago
@Otakunopodcast
@Otakunopodcast Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsBasement Ah, that makes sense. I can only imagine what their inbox looks like once news of this thing broke. Maybe they put the listing on hold for a brief while to give themselves a break and/or allow time to fulfill outstanding orders, etc.
@pikadroo
@pikadroo Жыл бұрын
Have to be part of the 8bit youtube elite to get one.
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
you could use the chips as replacement/original parts
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
why would you connect to "internet" with a calculator (or calculation purposes)
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын
full standalone does not require and should not require any parts of interner or even lan, just plain standalone computing
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Networking is fine with me. But it should have an SD card slot for self hosting too.
@therealfox
@therealfox Жыл бұрын
I don't think there is a back Chanel to the "server" for sending the software. There is also the "NABU Adaptor" listed on ebay. It looks almost like the NABU itself but only has connections to cable wire and to the NABU. I wonder how long you must been waiting at for software deployment back in the days. Seems no one has used it in the 80s or is not aware of what's going on right now with the NABU getting selled and explored by youtubers. I have read somewhere that cable speed was 6.5 mbit transfer speed was actually high. So maybe you didn't need to wait that long. Hope more gets explored soon. I would buy a NABU myself, but taxes and shipment is high to Germany.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
I have seen some NABU projects going on too. I expect we're a month away from multiplayer network connected gaming. 😀👍 It should be trivial to implement a network to demonstrate a multi-player maze craze. Maybe I'll start that one myself
@pikadroo
@pikadroo Жыл бұрын
Not if you cant buy one.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
@@pikadroo give a gander at what Greg Stark has to say about his NABU before you get too jonesing about it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5l0mtGpntPSp3k.html Among other things, he was kind when referring to how I managed to test my GFCI bench power feed. 🤣 Bith his and mine had cooling problems in need of repair. What I'm surprised he didn't show in his vid is the 2 dozen bodge wires hiding under the motherboard. Not that such things are a show stopper, but they do suggest that 1) we're looking at an alpha/beta product and 2) if you get near the thing with a soldering iron, you MUST secure the bodge nest from popping off anythings that fould become unsoldered .. as they are not secured with the usual "hot snot". Mine has something messing up the composite video signal. Blah blah .. In the end, they DO run. But don't expect a polished product! 😕
@pikadroo
@pikadroo Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsBasement i’am not really interested one. I want it mostly for the keyboard. It be useful for my build of something else.
@stephaneauger1036
@stephaneauger1036 Жыл бұрын
the adds»! nothing on tv that tell a lot
@obiwanjacobi
@obiwanjacobi Жыл бұрын
I've seen a couple of these going around YT. Look for MyGeekyHobby and DJ Sures
@garyjohnson4608
@garyjohnson4608 Жыл бұрын
Adrians Digital Basement did a review on one of these computers, maybe you might find that interesting.
@JohnsBasement
@JohnsBasement Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I saw it. I recorded this a few weeks ago and regretted not posting it earlier. 😕
@commodoresixfour7478
@commodoresixfour7478 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsBasement It's good content, I hope all the KZfaqrs do a video on it.
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel Жыл бұрын
Looking forward towards your next video and see this working. I'm subscribed
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