NABU Archaeology with Leo Binkowski part 3

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Leo Binkowski

Leo Binkowski

Жыл бұрын

Today, I show the booty from the latest sortie to my storage,
I correct my previous statement about RS-232 and development systems,
I show the actual Double Sided floppy cable,
I show a parallel printer cable, and provide the pinouts,
I give booting from the floppy a shot,
and I have a Co-op student named Ben helping me!
Everyone please thank my lovely wife Lisa for putting up with me upending our life to accommodate everyone for this project.
The NABU cycle is live after launching 40 years ago, then being dark for 37 years.
Visit nabu.ca to realize a 40 year old dream come true.
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@MaggieKeizai
@MaggieKeizai Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your work, Leo. Taking PTO just to satisfy us clowns! I bought my NABU speculating that the community would get something going on it, but for it to be a reincarnation of the original network and for it to materialize in just a couple of weeks... it's nuts, and it's really appreciated.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman Жыл бұрын
Thank you Lisa, Smit, and you Leo! And hoping for great things from your Co-Op! And the cat, always the cat.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Lisa says your welcome, and I do, too!
@tibbydudeza
@tibbydudeza Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time for complete strangers on the Internet that is interested in these machines. It is much appreciated and thanks to your understanding family! Your wife must be complaining about all the dust and why all this junk is in HER house :).
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
That's why I'm using different tables in each video, when I get banished or had to remove the dusty NABU stuff from the surface.
@DarrenHughes-Hybrid
@DarrenHughes-Hybrid Жыл бұрын
Thank you Leo, for taking time off from work to help bring this stuff to us newbie NABU Nabunites!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Oh, you're welcome! At this point, I'm still having fun bringing it all out.
@saturn5tony
@saturn5tony Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this detail about Nabu. so cool.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
got lots more coming! source code and anecdotes!
@ahmad-murery
@ahmad-murery Жыл бұрын
Thank you Lisa for supporting Leo in his project, You're a lucky man Leo.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Absolutely I am. I have a lovely wife, lovely daughter, and three grandkids. And I get to see my first love NABU live again.
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for all your time and efforts on the Nabu project. I live in Wasaga Beach Ontario and would come to a Nabu conference. Thanks for sharing!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I would love to meet anyone that wants to take my batons of knowledge further that I thought they ever would.
@geekwithsocialskills
@geekwithsocialskills Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski Rudy is a great guy and a personal friend of mine. Him being semi local to you would be a huge help to you. Also, Adrian and I are friends as well, so there are a lot of us here who know each other and can be of much help along the way. Nabu is awesome! Thanks again for all your help in bringing this back to life.
@jinxterx
@jinxterx Жыл бұрын
Can we see more of the dog and the cat in the next video please! 🥰
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Sure, the black cat is named Cinder, and the golden retriever that is desperately trying to trip me without making it obvious is named Stanley. I have another golden named Olli, but he was relaxing on the couch on his back.
@Hacker-at-Large
@Hacker-at-Large Жыл бұрын
I think documenting as many of the pinouts and hardware as possible would be helpful. There’s a lot of people that could adapt newer designs to the NABU, and keeping them compatible would be nice.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I plan to document everything I talked about, or more likely, have someone do it for me. Years ago, I built a nabupedia using wikipedia software, however it quickly got overrun by spammers, so I shut it down. I'll see if I can find the contents, or talk to someone more knowledgeable about creating a wiki, like Confluence, for instance.
@spokehedz
@spokehedz Жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting up with the Nabu shenanigans. I imagine that more people have seen/heard of the Nabu now, than they ever did when it was running. Incredible!
@spokehedz
@spokehedz Жыл бұрын
Also if this was not clear it was to all the people around Leo who has to put up with this blast from his past, I was referring to.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Actually, my wife was with me at the previous reunions at the Aylmer Golf and Country Club and at the Museum of Science and Technology in Ottawa. She met and talked with John Kelly, and my other colleagues, so she is very familiar with many of my former colleagues.
@quadmods
@quadmods Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I’ve never pronounced multimeter like altimeter… very classy 👍
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I think I picked up that pronunciation from some antenna engineer at NABU. It kinda stuck.
@andrewmackie5110
@andrewmackie5110 Жыл бұрын
That printer pinout makes sense. Pin 1 - Strobe Pins 2-9 - Data Pin 10 - Acknowledge Pin 11 - Busy Pins 15 & 19 - Signal and Pin1 grounds. Ideally all grounds would be tied, but those 2 are ostensibly enough. Thanks for sharing, Leo!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Cool, I'm glad someone was interested in that info. I do know there are many NABU titles capable of printing, so I thought it might be important. I don't even think the parallel port can talk both ways.
@Mueller3D
@Mueller3D Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski That particular printer cable looks like it's missing pin 10 on the DB15 side.
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
@@Mueller3D I noticed that, too.
@GeeWillikersMan
@GeeWillikersMan Жыл бұрын
Just fyi/to confirm, per the schematic from the eBay seller: 1 Strobe (3.3k pullup) 2-9 Data 10 Marked +5, Tied high via 3.3k pullup, no other connections 11 Busy (3.3k pullup) 15 Ground
@redace01
@redace01 Жыл бұрын
It feels like we are watching an archelogy expedition at the Binkowski house! I keep catching myselff "ooh"ing and "ahh"ing everytime you pull out more treasures. But now it makes more sense with the stack together. I went back to your previous video, I saw the hard drive & floppy are connected to a Western Digital controller board, which is then cabled to the Distro Nabu; which I assume has a different BIOS ROM than the user version. The other one with floppy probably also has a "custom" BIOS as well, as your screen was showing the message. Along with the floppy controller card inside attached to the I/O bus. So when your work friend comes over, mapping out these components would be a good starting point. Get DJ to help you pull a copy of those other BIOS chips so we can archive, and decode them for helping us add new drives. The crossover cable joining the 2 systems is probably a simple TX+->RX+ & TX- -> RX- for the RS422 serial link. Tell your wife and your boss thanks for allow you to spent time and precious kitchen space on this project!! Good luck to her at the ceramics show!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, I showed the comment to Lisa when while we were setting up for the pottery show. She said aww. Yes, there is a special ROM for Network+HD+Floppy. I purchased an EPROM burner so that I can copy it off and send it to a bunch of people who can disassemble and make it public. Besides the details of different version, I know very little about the EPROM. In fact, that is another case where DJ has already studied it and can comment on it further. The crossover is exactly as you say. RS422 was actually simpler that RS232, in my mind. Plus, you can make an RS422 cable that is pretty long, I think something like 800m.
@AmyGrrl78
@AmyGrrl78 Жыл бұрын
Nice Count laugh!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Thanks, that kinda just slipped out as I was counting them. I'm down to 4 now, because the Co-op student helping me left last night with a NABU, keyboard, and one of those joysticks. I haven't heard from him yet. I assume he got it all up and running and was just playing games all night.
@AmyGrrl78
@AmyGrrl78 Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski I hope they are enjoying that Nabu. I wanted to buy Nabu, but they ran out of stock on ebay two days before I had enough to buy one. I ended up spending my money something else. So now I just get to enjoy all these KZfaq videos on the Nabu.
@Okurka.
@Okurka. Жыл бұрын
@@AmyGrrl78 They still have over a 1000 in stock. The eBay listing got stopped because the seller had to fulfill the sales first.
@user-mf1uv8il6f
@user-mf1uv8il6f Жыл бұрын
Don't know if anyone solved this already but... The floppy drive lever was in the open position. The lever had to be closed to engage the hub.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
yes, it may not have been closed in the video, but I had already tried it closed. It looks like the stepper might be seized, so I'll be trying to free it when I'm armed with some expert advice. Fortunately, I don't NEED it yet, because I had been using Cloud CP/M
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
Just to clarify the terminology: These are D-series connectors. The body of the connector is given with a letter, followed by the number of pins or sockets, typically a dash or hyphen, and finally a letter to designate a male Plug or female Socket. Hence a DB25-P. They started the body or backshell code with "A" for the 15-pin, "B" for the 25-pin, "C" for the 37-pin, and "D" for the 50-pin. Out of sequence they then used "E" for the 9-pin. So, we end up with: DE9-P & -S DA15-P & -S DB25-P & -S DC37-P & -S DD50-P & -S There are variations, including the High-Density D with three rows of pins, and standard D-series with special contacts for coax or high-current cabling. The Centronics parallel port connectors were typically referred to as "ribbon connectors" because of the shape of their contacts, but that gets confusing with connectors used on flat "ribbon" cables! I hope this helps. Good luck with all the NABU work!
@andywest5773
@andywest5773 Жыл бұрын
It may also be worth mentioning that DE-9 was often (incorrectly) referred to as DB-9, and if you're looking for connectors today, that's how they're usually listed.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Actually it does help. I cut and paste this into my notes for quick reference.
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
@@andywest5773 Yes, and hence my frustration! 🙂 Similar to hearing "banana" plugs and jacks all referred to as just plugs. Binding posts with integral banana jacks being called _plugs,_ are you kidding me? 😄 The sequence of pins on the circular DIN connectors are in part because you could use a 3-pin plug in a 5-pin jack / socket, so 1-2-3 needed to be the same, 4 and 5 were optional. There are also different 5-pin DINs with 180° and 240° arcs, to add to the potential confusion.
@greggv8
@greggv8 Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski There's also Apple's 'bastard' 19 pin D-Subminiature connector they used on later apple II and early Macintosh external floppy drives. It was also used on a couple of other things, IIRC something in some old music synthesizers. Whomever assigns such things never bothered to give the 19 pin connector a letter. Big Mess O Wires makes solid state floppy emulators for apple II and Mac. Having used up all the 19 pin connectors he could find, and not wanting to sacrifice any more original floppy drives just for the connectors, he had a Chinese company make a large batch of new ones. That was helped by one of the large component supply companies going in on the order so they could have some to sell. So when the shipment arrived, he had the entire world's supply of new D-Sub 19 connectors at his house for a while.
@LeoBerardino
@LeoBerardino Жыл бұрын
Thank you Leo for showing us all these "toys". Excited to see you coding for the Nabu :)
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I do have a few other surprise pieces of hardware to show before I get to what I really want to talk about....Source code!
@mattsephton
@mattsephton Жыл бұрын
Can't wait! I'm catching up on the videos now
@paulwratt
@paulwratt Жыл бұрын
I might just be the Ottawa location, I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to organise a collective meetup with a few of the hardware and archive guys from across the border (like people did for that place in Texas), at least that way a bunch of people could do there thing for while allowing you to at least check-in at work and you would not have to ship anything (that you had not already planned to). - Canada is a little bit beyond my RV travel range, like 14000 Km (and only "round the corner" if I were planning on travelling to the moon) :) Much appreciated you doing the as much as you can. (Who said YT could not be a life changing event :)
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Ottawa is the best place for such a meeting. Maybe February, when Winterlude (Ottawa's winter carnival) is on. Most of the NABU people I love are still in Ottawa, or nearby.
@technerd9655
@technerd9655 Жыл бұрын
I would definitely make a weekend road trip from Toronto for a meetup in Ottawa in February.
@darkwinter6028
@darkwinter6028 Жыл бұрын
Everybody’s all in on NABU…. does no one remember that’s where Jar Jar Binks CAME FROM!!1! 🤪
@paulwratt
@paulwratt Жыл бұрын
:) .. _and_ its one of the names for the "other" planet that transits our solar system every X amount of millenia ..
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Jar Jar is a distant relative. Binks->Binkowski. Meeso still talk like dat, sometimes.
@Dark_eVader
@Dark_eVader Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski LOL!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
@@Dark_eVader Darth Rager, meesa think only da you be so bold.
@Dark_eVader
@Dark_eVader Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski You must have mistaken me for my distant relative Tarkin.
@geekwithsocialskills
@geekwithsocialskills Жыл бұрын
Great stuff Leo! Also, with the floppy drive, did you try closing the disk drive latch? I noticed it was open when you tried booting from that floppy disk.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Lol, yes I did, and it also didn't stop. It needs some TLC, I think.
@geekwithsocialskills
@geekwithsocialskills Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski cleaning and lubing the rails is pretty easy to do. That could be the only issue, especially since the drive has been sitting for many years without use.
@MatroxMillennium
@MatroxMillennium Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your help with this! Very cool that you managed to save so much stuff. Incidentally I am making progress with the Network Adaptor -- I am getting obvious changes in the data output waveform if I feed it RF input on CATV channel 9. I am hoping the data encoding scheme is something simple like Manchester bi-phase but I have a little more work to do before I can figure that out.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
My recollection was that it used QPSK, does that help? Keep in mind, though I worked for NABU and now work for Ericsson, I have very little knowledge how the RF worked.
@MatroxMillennium
@MatroxMillennium Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski That's a possibility. I'll keep it in mind while investigating.
@MatroxMillennium
@MatroxMillennium Жыл бұрын
Actually I found a TTL interface QPSK modem on eBay for not a super high price, I decided to go ahead and buy it and we'll see how it goes!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
@@MatroxMillennium Good Luck!
@ElectricEvan
@ElectricEvan Жыл бұрын
I paused the video and counted. Yes that is 37 pins.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I thought it was DB-37, but counting them on camera with my old eyes would have been excruciating for everyone.
@oqibidipo
@oqibidipo Жыл бұрын
Nitpick: it's DC-37, the second letter tells the size of the "D" frame: DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9, DE-15 (VGA).
@ElectricEvan
@ElectricEvan Жыл бұрын
@@oqibidipo You know I made this same mistake in nomenclature when I started at my last job and the senior hardware engineer pulled out the 1960s vintage catalog those connectors were unveiled in just to show me. It was like his holy missing to undo the public misconception about the naming.
@tezza3733
@tezza3733 Жыл бұрын
ahh leo the latch needs to be CLOSED for the drive to work
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I did have it closed for a previous test. It's not "seeking to zero", which makes a little noise as it moves the head to track 0, then the light goes off. It should have done that even without the door closed. I was told the head might be seized and/or drive belt disintegrated.
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Жыл бұрын
Looks like permanent drive select which can be caused by the cable being the wrong way round , be careful because if you have a non write protected disk it can corrupt it
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Every floppy I'm reading gets a write-protect. I actually have some that was in a pristine box of Dysan floppies in that same steel case.
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
When trying out the floppy drive at [8:30] onward, did I miss something, or is it just that the lever on the floppy drive wasn't flipped down from horizontal to being vertical?
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I had already tried putting it down, and the light continues, but I can't hear the head moving. It should've seeked to track zero, and it didn't. I didn't want to necessarily wreck that diskette or the drive during the recording if it did decide to do something. I'm working through some advice to get them working from people smarter with actual hardware reconstruction than I, which I'm very grateful for.
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski That's fine, I realized there may have been something you tried that wasn't in the video. It sure sounds like you've been running a NABU marathon with all the things you've done in such a short time!
@alanarmstrong2323
@alanarmstrong2323 Жыл бұрын
Nabu nabu lol !
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Bink calling Orson, come in your corpulency.
@sp00nix
@sp00nix Жыл бұрын
I have an Applesauce disk controller. It can use newer PC floppy drives to read and image pretty much any disk out there, all while running on a modern Mac. I wonder if it can work with these Nabu disks.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I will look into Applesauce.
@sp00nix
@sp00nix Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski I say its worth a shot, join the discord, tons of smart people on there.
@tmilker
@tmilker Жыл бұрын
I get my Nabu tomorrow, yay! Are the joysticks the same as the Atari 2600 or something different? I think I have all the parts to wire one up but need a pinout if it's specific to Nabu.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Same as Atari 2600. Enjoy the fruits of our labor!
@JVHShack
@JVHShack Жыл бұрын
I sincerely hope that the disk interfaces are replicated at the drive end. But even if that doesn't pan out, is the printer port a true parallel port or something else? If it is truly parallel compatible, I could see the possibility of connecting a Zip 100 to that port. That would far exceed the capabilities of any of the original drive hardware.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a two way interface, but I've never tried it in that matters, since printers were the only things available. I only ever output to it for printing.
@FredBedderhead
@FredBedderhead Жыл бұрын
would be nice to help out with the project, sound like you are in Ottawa and I'm in Peterborough area. I mite be to far away.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Certainly a bit far for a casual visit. However, there is a NABU PC emulator, floppy reconstructions and other engineering being done at the vintage computer forums: forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/cp-m-and-mp-m.37/
@andywest5773
@andywest5773 Жыл бұрын
Do you know of an easy way to get RS-232 on a non-development Nabu PC? I assume the cards aren't easy to find. I might have to make my own custom board.
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
I can talk about the RS232 board if you wish. I'm giving one to DJ for analysis
@andywest5773
@andywest5773 Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski That would be cool and useful to see, thanks.
@frnno967
@frnno967 Жыл бұрын
Do you mean RS-232 from the Adapter port (like to go to a PC instead of the RS-422), or do you mean an additional RS-232 port that software on the Nabu could access?
@andywest5773
@andywest5773 Жыл бұрын
@@frnno967 I mean an additional port for software. I expect I'll be using the RS-422 to load programs.
@systemchris
@systemchris Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of massagers
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
To the best of my knowledge, they are not equipped with rumble packs.
@systemchris
@systemchris Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski this made my day, haha, loving the work
@scoldingice425
@scoldingice425 Жыл бұрын
Does you wife by chance sell online? I'm in the US and want the polar bear!
@leo.binkowski
@leo.binkowski Жыл бұрын
Well she's at the show until Sunday, and I think THAT bear is out on the shelf, but there are about a hundred unique bears, raccoons, and fat cows. I'll let her know maybe some are interested. She mentioned that she'd like to make some NABU coffee cups for us, but maybe I can convince her to make a batch, in case others may be interested.
@scoldingice425
@scoldingice425 Жыл бұрын
@@leo.binkowski oh I would definitely buy a bear and a nabu mug!
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