This was excellent and so well explained! Thank you for clarifying for me - specifically recognizing that Nagarjuna's clarification was pedagogical. I think people who explore this doctrine - myself included - were looking to this as some kind of "definition" of "reality." That cleared a lot up for me. Many, many thanks!

Thank you so much for this very concise and coherent explanation on something that cannot be taught with words. The Middle Path lead to the realization beyond all views. Words such as ‘realization, truth, ultimate reality’, etc maybe useful pointers along a gradual path but must also be seen in the same light as everything else, neither non-existent nor existent. That leaves us with the direct experience only. The paths of Dzogchen (Maha Ati) and Chagchen (Mahamudra) both direct the practitioner towards the direct experience beyond any conceptualization. The language used within these teachings use metaphors such as ‘illusory appearances, mirror-like reflections, apparitions, dream-like nature’ and such to point the attention towards a more experiential way of relating to dharmas. But ultimately no words or thoughts can describe or point to reality itself, since that too is a concept without self-nature. I think your explanation took us through the different steps towards a ‘logical conclusion’ just as I think Nagarjuna intended. I thank you wholeheartedly for this. 🙏

While I have followed the path of Mahayana for many years & knew Nargarjuna was a great teacher, I never knew some of the reasons. Now I have an idea as to why. Thank you Sir. Peace

dear bro u hv just sealed my faith in humanity much 2 be said here indeed yr lecture is a fine e.g. of the comsumate understanding of the perfection of wisdom n compassion of the buddha The buddha is one with that purity He is purity itself One of the keys or gateway 2 the middleway is not arguing or building systems like u said Whereas u do understand by saying so You r expounding the middleway avoiding the polarities of extremes which is not intended 4 arguments sake i can cleary see yr message To u a revered one tq 🙏

Beautifully explained, been so lost with this doctrine and none provided a clearer picture than you did, so thank you!

Great work ✨

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Good intro and explanation. Where did the Buddha actually.say all is niether real or unreal? I've seen a Sutta in the Pali Canon where the Buddha says, "Existence and non-existence are extreme views, I teach the middle." And then mentions dependent origination, to imply that the concept of existence and non-existence do not apply to what is dependently originating. Thich Naht Hanh taught us that " nothing existence by itself alone", and "something can not come from nothing" to help negate the notion of intrinsic existence. The Pali Dictionary quotes the phrase, "nothing abides, not even for a moment", to help demonstrate that what is constantly changing lacks self nature. Thay also said, we derive our idea of birth and death by a false notion that, first there was nothing, then we were born, and when we die there will be nothing again. Because of the notion of birth there is the notion of death, rather than a process of continual transformation. If I remember correctly from the text by Nargarjuna, Advice to a King. Nargarjuna used a series of logical statements to negate cause and effect itself, as the ultimate insight into emptiness, but warned not to take that to mean that one should disregard the significance of the Buddhas teachings on Karma and the need for ethical disciple. In that sense the ultimate understanding liberates while the cause and effect level of reality is also very relevant to our human experience.

Legion “Man has no individual i. But there are hundreds and thousands of separate small "i"s, very often entirely unknown to one another, never coming into contact, or, on the contrary, hostile to each other, mutually exclusive and incompatible. Each minute, each moment, man is saying or thinking, "i". And each time his “i” is different. just now it was a thought, now it is a desire, now a sensation, now another thought, and so on, endlessly. Man is a plurality. Man's name is legion.” G.I. Gurdjieff

Can I know your sources

I think neither are right (nor wrong)

Hey brother, Mahayana tradition are all written in Sanskrit that's why it is also known as Sanskrit Tradition Buddhism. You are referring to " Abhidharma bhuddhism", who taught you such things called Abhidharma bhuddhism 🤔🤔🤔, there is a Abhidharma texts and that texts is common in both in Pali tradition Buddhism and Sanskrit Tradition Buddhism as well. First understand this, Pali tradition Buddhism is a foundation which is four Nobel truth and 37 practices, in Mahayana or Sanskrit Tradition Buddhism, the emphasis is on the use of reasoning and logic in order to combat with negative emotions through wisdom which is reasoning and logical approach because Siddharth Gautam Buddha, he himself said to his disciples that, oh my followers you should not follow my teaching out of faith, rather follows it after thorough investigation and examination like a gold Smit test the purity of Gold by rubbing, burning and hammering.