Who needs Ruan Mei? Get every Curio, 100+ Blessings, 3000% Path Boost for your Conundrum 12 Run #capitalism #goldandgears #conundrum 0:00 -Intro 0:30 - Strategy Breakdown 3:15 - Dice Loadout 4:15 - Conclusion
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@kucingliar16715 ай бұрын
So in short, with Company Time Dice, you need Curio : Price of Peace and Typical Genius Society Gosip Surface dice : 3:23 Keep farming transaction encounter until the game decided they the one owe you money. Got it.
@grimmtherapist5 ай бұрын
truly an lethal company
@crappiefisher13315 ай бұрын
ok, 3 questions about this strat: 1. you need to fish for the "price of peace" curio to get the strat going at all? so if i dont get it finalize and start over? 2. how do you ensure enough transaction nodes? do you use your 1 cheat chance right away to get it going? 3. are the 6% more fragments and the reduce shop price curios must haves or does it work without them?
@grimmtherapist5 ай бұрын
@@crappiefisher1331 all the answers you seekin for are in the video, would recommend you trying to watch tbh.
@kucingliar16715 ай бұрын
@@crappiefisher1331 So i've tried this strat and ngl it not really consistent and you have to grind to find those curios. IMO, getting the 30% off transaction curio is better than getting 2 of those curio that i said before. My suggestion is you have to collect at least 500 fragments by using surface dice or farm the mobs and try to get either Gossip Curio or the 30% off Transaction Curio. If you got those 2, now you can farm the transaction occurance but try not to reach +10 countdowns (if you're not in the conundrum 10+, you could) because they will kick your ass hard.
@crappiefisher13315 ай бұрын
@@Maz_Smart things this video doesn't tell you about this strategy: 1. the amount of hours you spend to find "price of peace" curio to even be able to start one run 2. the amount of hours you spend killing the last enemy in your first node after you could not find "price of peace", because if you don't kill the last enemy you want be able to choose anything when you restart... 3. the amount of hours you spend doing runs after you were lucky enough to get "price of peace" but not lucky enough to get "typical genius" early enough and without "typical genius" you wont be able to buy any blessings at all... so you end up playing two full planes without having any blessings at all, because your income is barely enough to buy curios the strat is nice if you get it going, but the amount of time you spend to get one good run is ridiculous...
@Kyle715 ай бұрын
Used this to clear my conundrum 12, managed to hit 116 blessings and 34 curios. Got lucky with the IPC part 2 occurrence which gives you the genius society curios and gold coin curio with the erudition option
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Great fun isn’t it 😂 Trying to work my way towards C12 on every dice, but some of them are absolutely garbo
@Kyle715 ай бұрын
@@nakfr0gI’m gonna EVENTUALLY get on that but for now imma take a break, now that I’ve gotten all the achievements from the game mode (still haven’t gotten the Nick of Time achievement)
@ondrejgardavsky5 ай бұрын
Same here. It took a lot of retries, but I finally got the IPC occurence early and it just snowballed from there. I only got Price of Piece halfway through Plane 2, but I got a lot of cheat chances and still managed to go through quite few transaction domains after that. I ended up with 100+ enhanced blessings, some 50 curios and 20k fragments with nothing to spend them on (but it powered up the Robe of the Beauty to some insane levels). The final boss fight with 2 robots was silly even at disruption 15 or so. I got pretty much infinite shields and insane DMG% on follow-ups with the Elation path, to the point of almost one-shotting... double Ruan Mei doesn’t hold a candle to this.
@AzureDrag0n15 ай бұрын
@@nakfr0g I accidentally did this strat doing the Ruan Mei strat by getting that IPC Banking part 2 occurrence early on which snowballed into 40k cosmic fragments which let me have about 6,500 DMG% using Robe of Beauty.
@tld005 ай бұрын
@@nakfr0g Which dice are you loving? Can't wait for the guides in general by the way, enjoying this new mode a lot as I try to unlock the rest of the secrets
@_JoeVer5 ай бұрын
0:40 "a little" is a bit of an understatement. in 50 runs, i got price of peace twice, and in both of those i never got genius society gossip even by the third plane. it's anything but consistent, since if you're unlucky, you can't make even a single run work in like an hour... but the ruan mei start has worked for me 4 times in a row without issue.
@RRQKIPASANGIN5 ай бұрын
Ruan mei does need you to fight elite enemies early on though since some abnormals force fights without proper blessings
@kml11785 ай бұрын
both have been very inconsistent for me.. i was able to get price of peace twice and got genius society gossip in the second plane both times, however after about 6 attempts i never even got one ruan mei occurence..
@_JoeVer5 ай бұрын
@RRQKIPASANGIN that's true. it's less broken of a strat. but it's much less rng as well. both strats have their tradeoffs. it's all about whether you're willing to dedicate 4 hours to get a single good run going with the company time strat. perhaps that's justified at high conundrums, but i personally haven't botheted with those, because i don't think those rewards are worth my time in general.
@_JoeVer5 ай бұрын
@kml1178 are you sure you're doing the strat right? i've been referring to the video by some CN server player called Mr.Pokee or something, i don't remember. you do need to generate a double abnormal occurrence within the first few moves, so it does take a bit of rerolling. but it takes 5-10 minutes tops, as opposed to over an hour. once you get the double abnormal occurrence through the beacon-generating die within the first 2-3 dice rolls, you use a cheat to copy that twice, and then just copy it as much as possible. ideally, you want to aim for 10+ abnormal occurrences (5x double + some regular). if you got less than 10, you might still recover the run, but it's risky.
@kml11785 ай бұрын
@@_JoeVer yeah, thats what i have been doing, and theres specific occurences you only pick a specific option for or something, i guess im just unlucky
@MDATFT5 ай бұрын
Thx for the awesome guide! I was not really going to clear every dice with conundrum lv 12 difficulty, but because of your help I think i will try! Thanks a lot for your efforts to make these vids :)
@berryriirii87255 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! It made all conundrum levels a breeze. The tip about buying out the other curios until you get the gossip one is a lifesaver.
@teumefatih5490Ай бұрын
Indeed i got lucky got it at the boss drop phase 1, and with just ome try at that 😂😂. But before i try with other dice for 2 hours long 😭😭
@SeleneSelkie5 ай бұрын
I already beat Conundrum 12 with Curio Extrapolation but your strat seems even better! Definitely giving this a try later
@StrangeSupreme20454 ай бұрын
Any guide video for that?
@Decrith5 ай бұрын
All hail Capitalism!
@yamete_kudasai69695 ай бұрын
this dice sucks ngl. imagine after 2 hours of reset you finally got the 150 cosmic fragments per transaction domain curio. then even after cheating and duplicating your transactions in two places it doesn't be near you so you're stuck with going to nearby occurances. then you go in one and it's "cheating code 2/3" and you are forced to fight and die gg
@Ironsuaba5 ай бұрын
@@yamete_kudasai6969don't trigger the part 2 smh
@IPWNEDSASUKEANDKIRA4 ай бұрын
CAPITALISM HO!
@StrangeSupreme20454 ай бұрын
@@yamete_kudasai6969 every dice has their own RNG
@noobiezyxxc2 ай бұрын
We all scream in unison.
@smokiLLL5 ай бұрын
So did it again and got all curios needed 🍀. This strat is ridiculous hilarious and so fun and satisfying! TX man👍💪🏽👌🏾😘
@xy1xy5 ай бұрын
I came from Zmm's KZfaq channel but to my surprised i was already subbed to you 😮. I am glad at myself for subbing because you're a GENIUS to me dude. My life in HSR is so much easier now thanks to you so so soooo much.
@Tauschung5 ай бұрын
I would love a guide for the best dice and the loadouts of each die. I think it would be really useful to players who are stuck in the mode.
@keithvalle44175 ай бұрын
Concise guide. Nice job mate! Subbed to you and looking forward for future guides.
@happymagician16995 ай бұрын
Tried it out, and to summarise: YEAH IT WORKS REAL WELL. MY +1107% DOT DAMAGE NIHILITY RUN WENT SO EASY. I was struggling with various other strats, and this one just blew up the phase 3 boss. Thanks for the idea!
@iDroiD-Gaming5 ай бұрын
A sub here is due, esp after ZMM's video. Would like to see more from you very soon. Keep up the good work
@Valroirr5 ай бұрын
Ayyyyy thanks man I was really struggling with conundrum, love the simple but awesome strat, keep up the good work chief
@astreiya5 ай бұрын
Dang, this seems neat. I don't plan on going for more than v6 at this point, but might as well beat it up before it att- oh wait wrong line. Might as well try and get the additional rewards and flex value from this ! As always, an excellent guide that I will share to my friends who might be struggling. Keep up the excellent work !
@penguins03015 ай бұрын
This channel is underrated ngl. Smart explanation, straight to the point, very impact methods, achivements ....Bro is a Gigachad .
@pseudosaccharine98912 ай бұрын
This strategy did the trick! I know Herta was feeling sick of seeing me in every single Transaction domain though 😭
@guobacertified5 ай бұрын
Love me some capitalism
@woahman57855 ай бұрын
Great strategy! The only problem I have with it is that the "little fishing for the right curio" you mentioned has taken 4 whole hours and I've only gotten it once, and that run promptly died when i didnt get gossip at all in like 10 transaction domains 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
@brunocandiotti54415 ай бұрын
Price of Peace is not mandatory, it only helps with the early game
@lordgod99582 ай бұрын
Depends on the level and how many transactions show in round 1
@TheTablet3145 ай бұрын
So far, I have been using occurence extrapolation for my Conondrum 10+ runs. But this does seem fun too!
@MCU2643 ай бұрын
Thank You So Much For This Solution! After watching your video I finally got through Conundrum Level 6 for the last remaining Jade rewards. UPDATE:: In Less than 12 hours of watching your video and spamming SU-GG Clears I've gone from not having beaten Conundrum 6 to ALL The Way to Finally Clearing Conundrum Level 12!!! Thanks again Man- you are a Legend! NOTE: The Path that I used for clearing Conundrum Level 12 was Remembrance (I Banned Destruction & Erudition). The Team that I went with was Huohuo + Jingliu + March 7th + Fu Xuan. Key Blessings were all of the DIssociation Blessings (Remembrance), the Nihility one that reduces Enemy Res by 12%/18%, Auto-Shield Generation type (Preservation), and a boat load of Propagation Blessings. I made sure to get Both Resonance Interplays (from sufficient Blessings of Propagation and Preservation).
@nakfr0g3 ай бұрын
Congratulations, thats great to hear. This strat was made for players just like yourself, to make C12 a possibility!
@castielysia5 ай бұрын
I think I might try this later, cuz I still can’t beat conundrum level 4😭 Although I am still extremely confused on what exactly I’m supposed to do, hopefully I can figure it out soon. Thank you for sharing this strat!
@paulschlacter32005 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Fished for an hour to get the price for peace curio, and won C12 with Nihility. Thanks nakfrg, ez sub 🙏
@koorahpeekah4 ай бұрын
finally finished conundrum 6-12 after watching this !! thank you, got really lucky with the curios and now no more g&g problems
@dontawanpitak5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips! I just cleared Conundrum 12 using this strategy. Works like a charm.
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Nice, congrats!
@renji3lancer5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the guide! I finally cleared difficulty V again after a while of no luck. Got to 148 blessings and 40 curios with this start. Still shaking from how lucky my run was.
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Haha what, 148?! That’s got to be close to the max. That’s insane dude, good stuff
@renji3lancer5 ай бұрын
@@nakfr0g Thanks! I got so lucky when Gossip showed up on the transaction next to spawn. Got reduced cost early in plane one too. Was looking for a strat that wasn’t reliant on Remembrance so I’m so glad I found your channel.
@karougagan125 ай бұрын
Thanks for the guide, really helped me out with clearing "Stage 5 / D-L21" Now i just have to do it under Conundrum 12...
@sharatraj27365 ай бұрын
Came here from @Zmm. Good shit, bro. Subbed!
@himi3995 ай бұрын
Hit a new cap of 32 Million and 133 Blessings! 😊 Thanks for the Guide
@CHKurono2 ай бұрын
This is such a legendary video for the GnG and been referenced a lot by other creators while adding new techniques from the latest characters. If you want to educate your friends about the GnG high diff, definitely give them this video! It's the original and the start of the meta trend. Full respect to you, Nak!
@aslla315 ай бұрын
I will try this guide with certain character thank you so much for this guide.
@moskthinks98015 ай бұрын
The best method ever. I tried it two times with propagation and erudition. It is RNG as you mentioned at first (actually getting the needed curios is very boring that it takes most of the time) but once everything settles in, I feel like I birthed a new universe. Even at disturbance 15, I am slicing the enemies like the smoothest butter even when they are not the correct element. IT'S SO ADDICTING LOL IM SAD THERE IS NO ACHIEVEMENT FOR RUNNING IT MULTIPLE TIMES APART FROM THE 3 PATHS AT CONUNDRUM 10+.
@rubot80702 ай бұрын
wow this strat helped me get my closest run to beating conundrum 12 Update: i beat it with this strat
@KamenNepper5 ай бұрын
great guide, thanks! got pretty unlucky with the rng (couldn't copy much transaction domains and the store kept stocking items i didn't rly want) but still ended up clearing conundrum 10 easily lol. def gonna take this to 12
@kuzujay79525 ай бұрын
Thank you for this strategy, this is way better than the ruan mei and I had fun buying everything lol
@yurahana62695 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this 😭😭 ive been using data inflation but this made the battle a lot easier
@aegismsg5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! i finally manage to grasp G&G and clearing conundrum 8 at the moment!
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Nice! C12 in no time
@Nmasih2 ай бұрын
Bro thank you so much for this genuinely, I’ve been struggling to clear just base difficulty 5 no conundrum levels and double Ruan Mei never worked but with this once I got the price of peace I was able to do it on erudition first try and getting somewhat unlucky with my curios!! I’ll definitely try conundrum levels you deserve a sub brother :)
@brylleisaacpaypa7847Ай бұрын
How do we reroll starting curios? After I leave and finalize the starting curios don't appear
@valk50415 ай бұрын
Wow, I tried a bunch of strats but couldn't finish conundrum 12 until I tried this one. Literally finished it first try even though I didn't even get the curio in the beginning. Earned my sub 🗿
@donnutcross5 ай бұрын
did a test run on conundrum 3, didn't get the price of peace curio on the first domain but fortunately got it on an event afterwards. i've been struggling with conundrum lv 3 and above so thank you so much for the guide!
@jonathanhh37285 ай бұрын
excited to see the 1 million + guide :D
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
I had to edit the video as we broke 100 million LOL
@markanthonyyap76745 ай бұрын
You just earned a new sub!
@levi-ft5to5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this,i was finally able to beat conundrum 6
@Mana-qp4uw5 ай бұрын
thank you for this Dragon Raja tip, really appreciate it
@nerose29845 ай бұрын
Finally found you thanks so much
@laszlopocsi8966Ай бұрын
Thanks for the tip The video was helpful I finally completed Conundrum 12 With this strategy and With aventurine
@Planeta19515 ай бұрын
This is the best. Subbed.
@arzxielzi4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this guide. I have no problem now beating GnG with this.
@Th3LostR3dCoat2 ай бұрын
So I've managed to do this for C11 but C12 is just smashing me against a brick wall. You're a champion for doing it mate that's for sure especially with more than 1 dice!!! Either you have mad luck, mad skill or both. I'll keep plugging away at it, but if I do manage to do it; it'll be thanks to you.
@mrmeeseeks59775 ай бұрын
Dropping by here because of the zmm artumbo drama but hey! I might try this since im struggling at conundrum 4!
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Good luck with it, the starting curio fishing can be a little painful if you're really unlucky, but it's really powerful if you can get it rolling.
@elfinnit60524 ай бұрын
I’ve tried a few strats like Ruan mei, and a few different runs of routes (with and without ruan mei) and haven’t cleared without using remembrance yet in conundrum or g&g, but gonna give this a try!
@durian_smoothie5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! can finally pass difficulty 5 with this strat even with my crap team.
@cybermoja5 ай бұрын
Yup, I did it 90% of the time and the reason Why I defeated lvl 5. I loved this.
@DragonCatProductions4 ай бұрын
I was able to clear gold gears five for the first time with this strategy. Thanks for the great video!
@nakfr0g4 ай бұрын
Nice! Congratulations
@drea4pres9705 ай бұрын
This is such a fun idea!
@arzonong73635 ай бұрын
INSANITY!!!! THANK YOU!!!
@handrihari85155 ай бұрын
Thank you conundrum 12 so easy to clear because that
@drea4pres9705 ай бұрын
I wanna try this Update: it only took me an hour, but it worked! I finally cleared Difficulty V! My Luocha was doing so much damage, and Argenti almost broke my phone lol Thanks so much 🌹🌹
@shrekatemyonions13 күн бұрын
Just gave this strat a shot for the first time (last minute Firefly farming), on my 1st attempt I got Price of Peace as a Trailblaze blessing 🙏
@gtafan11005 ай бұрын
After trying this recommendation out,I just relieved myself from the stress I gave myself the past few nights and am going to take my anger out on these elite bosses LOL
@benaedeur5952 ай бұрын
Bro you deserves subs, i couldnt beat difficulty 5 before(i have shitty build characters), i have watched 30mins vids explaning shit that not work but this works really well
@nakfr0g2 ай бұрын
Nice, glad to hear you had success with it. This method does require some luck to set up, but once it’s online you should have no issue beating c12.
@ThePiesrbest5 ай бұрын
The problem is I went through a dozen runs without Price of Peace showing up in the first plane and sometimes not all. Really hard to get rolling without it.
@maxroy69334 ай бұрын
Wow i ended up with 107 blessings with 46 curios , FINALLY conundrum 12 done !! Thanks! It was a nice strat but the amt of time required for the prep required is long but the only thing we need is the price of peace curio at the very start everything else is manageable and once it gets going .... The second plane boss dies from the dot dmg on a non dot team lmao 😂😂 DEFINETLY worth the wait of the prep !!
@xalottha64615 ай бұрын
Thanks to this video now i can beat conondrum level 8 with ease 😭. I tried this method from level 2 and managed to get to level 8 conundrum 😆 I didn't get insane damage like your other videos, only manage to get 3,6m damage.... I only want the prizes so I'm content for now 🤭 I'll try beat the higher conondrum level, wish me luck with the curios 😆
@sammysaito5295 ай бұрын
Hope you can make a guide for every dice, I really want to complete all the missions in Gold & Gears
@curseyouads5 ай бұрын
Are you fishing for the opening curio by resetting the run if you don't get it? When I reset I don't get the initial three choices anymore. Do you know how far you have to go before the three choices appear again?
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
You simply need to run past the first 2 enemies, and kill the enemy closest to the pillar. Once that's dead, you simply end and finalise. You don't need to interact with the pillar or move to any other plane.
@atharvainamdar20104 ай бұрын
Thx a lot bro that helped a lot
@zaynbakchel41875 ай бұрын
I just did it.... Insane!
@TenchiSawada5 ай бұрын
Nice guide!
@pixelgamernl2333Ай бұрын
Thank you so much i now beat difficulty 3 and 4 at level 70
@Kaboom-dg3uq5 ай бұрын
GNG Con 10 : 82 blessings 46 curios , Con 12 : 84 blessings 38 curios . Thanks for the guide
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Nice, grats on clearing C12
@AzureDrag0n15 ай бұрын
I am thinking the next step in Gold and Gears strategy is to try and do a run without Price of Peace because getting that curio at the start is too time consuming. I would probably explore a few domains and then reset to see if you can get the curio naturally or get another money generating strategy going.
@max-tp1xv5 ай бұрын
the start of the GOAT
@darksoul51042 ай бұрын
This is dope I was scared not to crash my pc every time I used kafkas ult
5 ай бұрын
Just did a run on 5.4 difficulty using this strategy on remembrance path, 127 blessing, 37 curios, 4M dmg from Jingliu's ult. LOL
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
Haha nice! 127 is pretty wild, most I’ve got was around 110. 😂
@icey05125 ай бұрын
With this strat I managed to get 134 blessings and 50 curios in one run and a 9m ult with Jingliu! So satisfying when you can buy out everything in the shop XD
@mez_mez3 ай бұрын
I finally able to beat conundrum 12 with this strat I kept restarting the beginning domain for about +-30 minutes until I got the price curio
@Jaxtey5 ай бұрын
this is insane, Ruan Mei would be proud of exploiting this weakness in the simulated universe
@freshbeans20995 ай бұрын
WE MAKIN IT OUT OF CONUNDRUM 12 WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
@IdeasAreBulletproof5 ай бұрын
In Swarm the Typical Genius Society Gossip was considered pretty bad/Situational for the Teeth/Robe of Beauty. Now it has it's place with the Company time die. Now I would say for Gossip Die the Typical Genius society Gossip is legit really good if your running the Company time/Transaction Dice
@CopyCat19955 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on knowing when to give up and restart a run using this strategy? I've been resetting at the first node whenever i don't start with the "price of peace" curio, and resetting at the end of the 2nd plane if i don't get genius society gossip yet, but i feel like there should be a sweetspot somewhere in the middle that saves time resetting
@GamesProject5 ай бұрын
Ok so big question Nak. What do you do for some of those curios that will "ruin" your economy? Like the one that take away all fragments if you get past 500 or the Money into CRIT DMG one? You take them?
@nakfr0g5 ай бұрын
I just don't buy them. I'm only stepping onto transaction domains, so i have full control over what curios i get or don't get.
@zatuark5 ай бұрын
Can you explain in full vid how to execute this setup coz i really dont understand . On plane 1 and 2 i should only buy curio not blessing ? Coz i dont have enough fragments
@Cele5te5 ай бұрын
Transaction dicd runs do really drain sanity... Ipc banking even took me 12 hours to get it ONCE But was it worth it for the sweet numbers? Yes
@ThorDrJones5 ай бұрын
my eyes are out of my socket
@savethprince5 ай бұрын
me in swarm disaster : im just gonna focus on combat/reward/adventure domains me after ruan mei : im just gonna focus on occurrences me after this vid : well, time to just focus on transactions
@Felix0485 ай бұрын
In the future: Ok, let's just skip to the boss part.
@IAmNotDetermined4 ай бұрын
Why did this strategy work soo well for me😧If you have patience this is basically a guaranteed win
@gdmaksy49915 ай бұрын
I swear I've beat G&G with this strat 3 times and didn't get the gossip curio even ONCE. Was still able to finally beat diff 5 tho. Will try it on conundrum 6 and 12 next
@animatedamons4702 ай бұрын
Thanks. So far I made it to C8. I switched paths from nilility to preservation cause the dots were burning my phone.
@Stargazerxx5 ай бұрын
My man getting famous, now mentioned by Zmm in his vid. Nice
@_digital_lavender_2 ай бұрын
I used this strategy and hit 4.0M DMG through qingquillion DMG, thank you!
@helel3285 ай бұрын
I tried this method for more than an hour, couldn't get the right curio at the start. There are dozens of them and we only look for that one specific item. It's driving me mad.
@andreaswong88295 ай бұрын
Didn't even get price of peace but i got Genius society in the first transaction domain so decided to go ahead anyway, still ended up with 70 blessings and managed to clear conundrum 8
@icariamcgordon3585 ай бұрын
nice this remind me infinite dead newborn strat from Elysian realm
@gateofdestiny5 ай бұрын
tried this and got the strat going first try
@misakiaprils77625 ай бұрын
Money = Infinite Power
@paulmaudibatreidis5 ай бұрын
Been going at it for a bit, having a hard time getting enough fragments to get TGSG and Price of Peace before Plane 2 ends. Can you upload a sample run of the strat? Edit: Figured out how to reset for curio 👍 tq for the strat!!
@GoldArc5 ай бұрын
Just beat diff 4 earlier 2day(b4 finding out about this method), will try this method out later with diff 5.
@GeorgeHossain5 ай бұрын
This is super rng depended.Tried to clear conundrum 5 and after 15 try or so I didn't get the curio I needed .At this point I am thinking they removed the curio.
@vzx3 ай бұрын
There should be some cut off point of trying your luck to score both Price of Peace and Genius Society Gossip. So do pray tell, how late one can try to fish both of these before the net negative of curios/blessings purchase gives you no capital? (i.e.