Which super villain would make the best movie about their nemesis?

Namor, the king of pettiness, is single-handedly responsible for keeping the oceans salty lol.

Namor has a picture of Sue. Sue has a picture of Namor. Superman and his room full of Lois Lane statues: Amateurs.

Funny how both Dr. Doom and Namor love Sue A part of me believes anytime they see Reed they just go "this guy ain't shit"

The pettiest king of the sea

I just have one question: How many Sue mannequins and statues does Namor have in his "contemplation room" and does he dress them?

Namor was first invented for an unpublished April 1939 comic called "Motion Picture Funnies Weekly # 1", which predates the Oct. 1939 debut of Timely Comics "Marvel Comics # 1", which was the first Timely/Marvel Comic. (Where Namor officially debuted.) That makes Namor the very first Marvel character.

I do like the detail that Reed, for all his scientific brilliance, is absolutely clueless about handling money (he's also clueless about being a husband and father, but that comes later...). I imagine Tony Stark looking at his stock portfolio and just facepalming.

I would give so much to go back in time and see just how exactly Lee and Kirby landed on 'Reed lost all his money in stocks and now the F4 need to make a movie for Namor'.

I desperately want to see a side story in which Namor hast to deal with the preparation for making a movie… renting the proper light and camera equipment, if he’s gonna make it independent or work with the union, buying film stock, making deals with the city for filming permits, locations scouting, having a production meeting going over with the cast and crew of his vision, finding a caterer, printing out copies of call sheets for everyone, reviewing the dailies and seeing if he needs reshoots, giving notes to the editor, submitting it into film festivals and trying to make deals with distributors… as someone who has made a movie on his own, I want to see how Namor dealt with being a first time director and the challenges he had to over come lol

I always loved the fact that the early FF issues weren't afraid to throw in elements from the genre of Romance Comics. The various She Storm love triangles make the FF more than just superhero comics. Aside from LoisLane I think Sue may have had the most men interested in romancing her in all of comics.

Namor's "Sue room." I almost spit out my coffee when you said that. Hysterical!

Sue's characterization is certainly a product of her time (and male writer/creator). I find it interesting that Namor is so charismatic that even if you have beef with him you still find yourself oddly respectful- or even attracted- of him. Not sure Reed would catch Sue's eye if she, Namor and Doom had all met in college.

I love how this all started with Reed's financial ineptitude. You can't be a genius at everything, Reed! How would the movie get finished, you ask? Break out the stock footage and hire Roger Corman.

I wish there were Cameramen during the scene where Namor asks her to marry him, I would've loved the sight of camera men gawking in the background and cheering Namor on as if they were henchmen and this was the boss' big moment.

I love how Reed being bad with money is a recurring "gag" in Fantastic four comics (even referenced in the 2005 movie) to the point that Sue and Johnny are in charge of the FFs finances

The reason we've never had a good Fantastic Four movie: their film rights are still owned by one of their arch-villains. I love this comic for just how weird it is to do this story with these characters. Kinda makes me want a followup where She-Hulk represents Sue in a sexual harassment suit against S.M. Productions

I love how they kept Namor true to costume in Black Panther 2. How do you put someone on screen in a speedo with winged feet? Dial it up to eleven! Throw on some jewelry and a nose piercing! The actor was great about giving him a serious, dangerous air, but still making him approachable for potential romance with the right person. Since Shuri rejected him, it's a perfect time for rebound crush on Sue.

Roger Corman definitely had a hand helping Namor edit the movie.

I didn't realize how on the nose Rick & Morty's Mr. Nimbus was.

Thank you for not only keeping comics casual, but also encouraging courteous comics.

Next time someone says DC silver age was the wacky one and Marvel's was "realistic" one ought to present this issue

I hope that Namor appears in the new Fantastic Four movie that they are making. Awkward attractions and all.

This feels like it would be the strangest found footage film out there. And I'd like to believe the Namor Sue encounter was left on the cutting room floor because you can't show your boss being a creep.

I wonder what other movies SM Studios made I'd love to see what their Romantic Comedies would look like.

Old School Namor certainly lived up to the "Invader" name...

I like to think the finished film had a heavy Sue focus, using footage of her making peace between the F.F. and Namor along with other material shot off-panel. It may be about the Sub-Mariner vs. the Fantastic Four on the surface, but the heart of that movie is 'I ❤️Sue'. 😊

Namor with the long cigarette holder in his mouth is just a funny image to me. It really competes his movie director cosplay.

It's been awhile since I've read the original Marvel run, but someone recently told me that you could tell that Stan and Jack had very differing ideas on female characters: Jack would draw them in very Dynamic kickass action poses...only for Stan to give them dialogue like: "Now I'm off to do the dishes/fix my hair!"🙄

I'm in love with the idea that namor has a "sue room" it's probably his safe space. Probably like Helga from hey Arnold except he's been slowly adding to since the 60s

I Like MCU Namor, but I am Mexican, so he was made for me. my biggest pop on that movie was when Attuma redirected the water bomb with his hip. Fun Fact, "El Niño sin Amor" is the name of an old rock song here in Mexico.

Honestly it was one of the classic stories with Namor and the Four that I love. I mean if you're the prince of an UNDERWATER KINGDOM post WWII, that means you're not just a king, you'd probably have intelligence agents, and Atlantean tech AND THOUSANDS OF SUNKEN SHIPS AND LOST GOLD you can collect and reinvest in anything on the surface world, as king, why wouldn't you use the most ostentatious way to defeat your foes?

Namor is is still nowhere near as abusive or creepy as Superman was to Lois.

I need a whole retrospective of Sue and Namor. How it's developed

Absolutely love your videos❤️ You’ve made me love comics I didn’t grow up reading comics but i was heavily invested in superheroes from DC,Marvel and more but i never got into comics but watching your videos have made me come to love comics just wanted to say thank you❤️

Sasha’s vibe is a breath of fresh air compared to other comic channels. Her, Comic Tropes really do a great a job. She goes in depth but does it in such a fun and inviting way.

I really enjoy when you cover these petty/salty character stories. It shows how hilarious the writing could be!

Making a movie with SM Production: That's one way to make a test run for Malice.

Alot of the other comic you tubers don't discuss the content of comics. LOVE your take on all that you have covered. Keep it up, Always enjoy your videos.

I didn't know people didn't like MCU namor

My guess is that the date with Sue was filmed, and it probably leads into the fights, or maybe it's the climax, like it could be that after besting the Fantastic Four's men he celebrates with her at that restaurant. It makes more sense in my head that he took her out to dinner and then had to battle her ex, but I've recently had a lot of Scott Pilgrim reactions in my feed.

We definitely need a Namor and Sue playlist.

For the Sue Storm fight, they could have just gotten some actors to punch and kick the air and then act like they were getting knocked out by an invisible person. Easy peesy.

We need a What If? comic featuring the Queen’s Quartet (Sue/Reed/Namor/Doom polycule).

Funnily enough, Ive always pronounced his name the way the MCU does way before the movie. My Filipino background aside and how we pronounce words lol, Ive always thought of it as his name being pronounced in the proper Atlantis way. Atlantis was a story famous among Ancient Greek and Roman scholars, and Namor's war cry is IMPERIUS REX. With those in mind, it is safe to assume that the original Atlanteans are from Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. One can argue that their main language is some form of Ancient Greek/Latin hybrid. In Ancient Latin, there are no long vowel sounds (ay) only short vowel sounds (ah). Namor in Ancient Latin would be pronounced 'Nahmor', as opposed to the Modern English 'Naymor'.

12:35 this is so important, and not just for fandom discourse but for straight up cultural/political discourse.

"He was a mutant for a bit..." ...still is. They just didn't bring it up for a long time, or at least very infrequently.

Don’t kink shame sue … she’s exploring 🤣🤣🤣

Yay, glad to see some Marvel coverage! I have a real fondness for silver-age Marvel! It's so silly, but so _earnest,_ which I find a really endearing combination! I love those detailed explanations of how things work! Yes, they usually make no sense, really, but it's fun to see how much effort they put into making it _seem_ like they do! ☺

Well, if you don’t see Sue in that movie….it’s because she’s invisible.

They will say Sue was in the movie she was just invisible

Reading the early issues of the FF, and the rest of the MU, you see Stan growing as a writer. For the really early issues he's sort of writing in Hollywood movie mode. The continuity grew over time and the characters grew as well. But in the early days Sue was a typical 1950's movie heroine. Brave yes, but still very much the weak member of the crew. Dale Arden, Wilma Deering ect... You didn't have the punch/kick heroines that much. Sue was very much the all American Girl Friday. Also at that point Reed was written as a man obsessed with science. Yes he loved Sue, but took her for granted a lot. Give her this, Sue was a lot less flighty than the Wasp was at that time. Sue looked at Namor and was intrigued, and Namor payed a lot more attention to her, was trying to win her, in his own warped way. But at the same time he also had that built in 'surface dwellers are bad and I must kill them all' motto. So nothing ever happened in a sexual way between them. It's fun fan fic and what if, and I don't doubt that marvel would do it in a second these days given the terrible writing standard they have. But it hasn't happened yet. In 1963 the movie could have just been the fight scenes. Action sold back then, and novelty did too. The FF were brand new at that point, I don't think Avengers had formed and there must have been a lot of curiosity. I can see it making the rounds of the drive-ins easily. What was really good about the comic at the time was that the FF had real world problems, like paying rent. It was the start, much like Stan and Jack putting themselves in the comics as writing a Fantastic Four comic book (which I think happened in a few issues from this one) that was one of the selling points of the early marvel.

Please Sasha, without Sue please call them by their proper name: THE MAN-TASTIC 3!

I am currently reading The Saga of the Sub-Mariner limited series by Roy and Dann Thomas. It's funny because I just read about the Fantastic Four movie mention in the series. I like the Sub-Mariner/Sue Storm/Reed Richards triangle. As far as the Namor on the big screen, I was disappointed. It seems that the big screen has to reinvent everything in Marvel Comics canon. Why should everything be thrown out just because a few people find everything offensive or racist.

Ah, yes... in the early issues Ben Grimm is definitely established to have a thing for Sue Storm. And when did he move past that? When he met Alicia Masters... who is introduced as only needing a wig to be indistinguishable from Sue. yes, yes, yes.... the Thing had a thing for the Invisible Girl....

Love this format Sasha, Please do the Star Trek (TOS)/X-men crossover. That one cracks me up.

if namor didn't film his sue scene he missed out on the world's cheapest practical effects

MCU Namor was fine. I didn't mind the changes so much, but the bungled plot point with Shuri. She should have spent more time on Namor's side. But Covid and the struggles they had to make that film were hopefully part of that.

The current MCU Nemor is a skrull. That’s why he’s so different.

I know how that movie Namor made was edited, he made himself into the main star of a supervillain origin film. It's basically a film about how he took on the Fantastic Four alone and is still standing to tell the tail. Oh, and the only scene with Sue in the whole movie is when she stops the others from beating up Namor because, of course, he would do that.

Nice Johnny Quest referencing then mentioning Johnny Questioning lol. The fact that the actor who played Ben and the actress who played Sue ended up together means that they being a couple is possible. Namor by the door made me think of Peter Pan and his shadow. I liked the MCU version of Namor because it brings a dimension to the character that works for the current state of the cinematic universe. I think the movie was done the same way they did the original Godzilla by using a framing device of someone viewing the fantastic four and the submariner with the Sue parts being news footage of her or just special effects of stuff on fishing wire since she is supposed to be invisible. This is me so I have to keep going deep[ into the ship that never kept going of Bloodwynd & Maxima when she was not trying to get with Superman.

*Sasha: **_"Johnny's Quest-ioning..."_* I see what you did there...😊

Aside from the eyebrows, I thought "na-MOR" was a lot closer to NAY-mor than Doom in Fant-four-stic or Galactus in F42.

Regarding the MCU Namor, I never saw anything after Endgame. From what I know about the MCU Namor, they changed so much about him that they should've just made him a new character. I wonder if they'll try to undo it later like I heard they did with The Mandarin. "No, that English actor guy wasn't the REAL Mandarin! This other guy was!" This MCU Namor could be retconned into an impostor from a rival underwater kingdom and then the real Namor has to take him out. (Or they'll just be lazy and go "MULTIVERSE"!)

Yeah, Dan Slott claims to be a superfan of various characters and knows everything about them, but his Amazing Spider-Man run shows that is not the case - since most of his plots were just bad fan fiction where he wrote Peter/Spidey completely out of character and required him to have guest stars to show up to help him defeat enemies that he was able to defeat in issues written by more competent writers. So it's no surprise that he would write an issue that says that the feelings Sue and Namor have for each other never existed. As pointed out in this video, it was a staple of pretty much every Namor appearance in the Lee/Kirby FF run.

My guess is that they did like all of the other Fantastic Four movies and somehow introduced Doom as the main villain.

Namor making a movie as part of a plot to defeat the Fantastic Four sounds like something a modern day comic would write as parody.

MCU Namor is a big Win. They made such a wild and zaney character make sense and fit him in neatly into their established lore.

I really liked the MCU Namor. But I know nothing about the comic version, except that he has a thing for Sue Storm. Love to see these videos. They help me understand some of the backstory

Sue would say yes but he lied also he tried to kill her friend, brother and whatever Reed is at the moment but mostly lied tho also that's a strong Jack Kirby forehead right there lol

They just move objects around with strings and say that Sue was invisible the entire time.

Captain Zapp Brannigan : We need rest. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.

I love classic Johnny Quest. I have the entire first season.

Classic Namor is Angry Pepe Lepew. MCU Namor is more Black Adam, than movie Black Adam... Until he meets MCU who is maybe, probably Margot Robbie, so eventual "Simp City" incoming.

Green Goblin totally pulled the same "I'm making a movie and you're gonna be a star baby!" scam on Spider-Man in his first appearance in ASM 14 from 1964 lol

There were so many story beats here that had me saying "WHAT?!"

7:58 It's mine, mine, mine, all mine!

You rock! Brilliant as always

Really enjoying this single issue focus videos. More please.

I would love to see a 1939-era Superman crossover and battle a 1939-era Sub-Mariner. The first creations of each company head to head. Sure, modern Superman would normally destroy any-era Namor, and modern-Namor would certainly best a 1939 "leap tall buildings" Superman....but both at their beginning, with Namor's strength slightly more than Superman, and Superman's resilience more than original Namor....it would be more of an even fight than people believe. I'd pay to read it.

That movie probably looked like that Radioactive Man Movie from the Simpsons. The one were they poorly edited the scenes they had together after Milhouse left.

12:30 I thought it was fine but to me dumbest thing was explaining his name to mean he has "no love" for the surface world.

I like this. Thank you

Silver Age Namor looks like David Bowie and Fred Astaire had a baby together.

If you do more Marvel, Johnny's friendship with Spider-man could be a fun topic. If you ever do a video about. Dorrie and the Torch don't miss her cameo in issue 134

"Fire duplicates"? Was this the era when Superman had the amazing power to shoot a mini-Superman duplicate out of his hands? What was going on with the writers back then???

On the subject of MCU Namor, while I'm not the biggest fan of it, I do fully understand why they changed so much about him. Aquaman has always had a lot more exposure in pop culture and general knowledge amongst non-comic fans. And with Aquaman's movie being a huge success, if they didn't change Namor, there would be endless comparisons between him and Aquaman, likely with some claiming Marvel ripped off DC, despite the fact Namor debuted first. It's very much a Hydrox/Orea situation.

@5:34 - Sue here gives off strong Betty Draper vibes. And with his back turned to us, Namor could almost pass for Don.

I must have read this as a reprint, since the first issue I had was FF #5 with Doctor Doom.

Plot of the movie is a simple 'dust up before team up' where they spend half the movie fighting each other before ultimately teaming up to take on the REAL enemy: The producers of the Sharknado series!!! I wonder if they had any re-shoots...

She could easily blow that door down

Nice-Guy the Simp-Mariner! He'll be his condescending best until she dumps him! Then, watch out!

Perhaps everything in the comic was 'filmed' and made into the movie, up until the theatrical release. It did tie everything together in a way.

Oh yeah. I forgot Namor was in the MCU. I guess that explains how much of an impression he made on me 🤣🤣

As always, another great video! But my favorite Sub-Mariner comic, was in Marvel vs. DC when Aquaman flattens him with a whale...envy of ya JSA omnibus

Hey Sasha a movie with the Invisible Woman is only Namor no special effects needed

It really just hit me her and Johnny's family name is "Storm". Like I've known forever but i just realized, this means there's a family just named "Storm". That's such an awesome family name. Also top 3 wig this time Sasha

I would love if you did a video about the mcu namor vs. The og. That would be fascinating!

7:05 i see you is that a reference to how in losie lanes bf's they offten have "contomplation rooms"

He's so..masterful? Ohhhh..noooo....this isnt becomeing 50 shades of Gray-more is it?