It should be nerfed

Who still remember the old agir

​@EllieBanks333 then every sec needs nerf also bbs

​​@@MK-wx5vuYou mean all those BBs that have great secondaries, exhaust smoke + 8.8km smoke firing penalty, decent turning radius with speed, are super tanky with no superstructure and burn for ~15sec. when built only? Yeah they should nerf all existing 0 of them.

Old agir and Siegfried

WG should change secondary aimming point back to the superstructure instead of belt

​​​@@user-yc2pk5iy7eI wish wg would let you decide where they aim at generally once you get full dispersion buff at 50% but make it so that you have to aim the secondaries (generally where they're shooting at kind of like a torpedo spread) to hit that specific part of the ship and then depending on how good the lead was it will impact how accurately they lead as well

Just done mine with the button in news article, ALL Commanders Skills reset.

@@michaelmcnally2331 I done mine 3 hours ago and no commander was reset. ETA I see they added second button to reset skills. It was not there earlier.

@@ninobixio6156 did you try the RESET ALL CAPTAINS button in the 12.10 Assymetric Battles news article. Is all caps as that now is on the button in article. Not that shouting at you. I believe may have been broke earlier but certainly worked when pressed it. Game whirred had the nit responding box pop up but let it continue.

he covered that its in the news section

Yeah this video just makes sad Agir/Siegfriend noises

The problem with the German cruisers is they can't tank at all like Napoli. Napoli is indestructible when angled correctly, and if you really screw up you have the cloaking device button. It just is so much more able to get into and out of dumb positions and live, and the SAP secondaries work so much better than HE ones, that it's no contest at all. It is the only cruiser you can legitimately build for secondaries. You can meme with other stuff and maybe like bring a smoke buddy and try all this stuff, but nothing has the package of Napoli.

I was testing it yesterday but couldn't do much damage with it, you take the equipment for the secondaries too? 10.4 km range

Plz tell me its true @@ReymonG90

@@ReymonG90 I used everything available to boost them to a range of 12 km. It's more of a meme, but since you don't sacrifice much, it's imo still worth it. It could do 18k+ dmg, not counting the fires, when I was just testing it and playing like an idiot. They could deal probably 20-30k if you try which is a nice bonus, especially in the late game. It mainly helps when brawling bbs, supporting dds and such. I'd not recommend it though on Siegfried at all, she has fewer secondaries. You could arguably try a secondary Roon now, she gets the same range of 12 km and has more secondary guns. It's important to note that you can't play these ships like typical brawlers. Whereas Napoli is more tanky than battleships and can survive being attacked from many directions, these two can't do that.

You've literally explain what is wrong with this game... You've laid out the philosophy of BBs who camp, let their team die and only think about not taking damage. I'm not being mean, but from start to finish in your comment, I see a BB player I really wouldn't want in my team.

@@shilombaba I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding why I’m saying this skill is underrated, and that you are completely failing to see why this skill can be better than it’s counterpart - tanking damage is required for it to outperform repair specialist. It specifically encourages more aggressive play to activate the skill, and it makes the ship’s repair parties more accessible every time you tank potential damage equaling your ship’s total hp. It rewards bb players for doing what they should be doing and still surviving until late game. I don’t know why you’re being so pessimistic about such a positive change to a literally worthless skill before this update dropped. If a bb player wanted to camp, they wouldn’t bother with this skill. They’d just take repair specialist because it is the better option for camping.

Yes and any DD that goes in and out of detect. You are detected and shooting? (it procs) pass island--concealed. When you leave the island shadow it procs again. It can mess with a lot of things

Nah legends is for gays

plus main guns have a short range so no option it has to push in, agreed creeates some action

The Italian DD's might love it.

I use it on the tier six and seven Italian boats and do not use the range mod. The gun range is just beyond the detection range. Get in range smack a dd or Cruiser and with a few shots and then quickly kite out of gun range and disappear. Just about the time dazzle ends. Works very well.

Too bad you're losing like 10k health or tic with all those fires and floods. This could be a good going down guns blazing skill, but for like 1 or 2 pts

It would be a total of -35% reload with 4 fires and 2 floods.

I did that too, got a pommern and tripitz from those with tokens, then bought 5 and got napoli kage and 2 jap ships loving the containers.

I just grab it and it was better than i expected in randoms that 10km conceal is amazing

the one dockyard ship i never finished, i hope they will reintroduce her at some point.

I fear michealangleo will replace it.

Probably still suck. I'm gonna try it tho since it's free reset time

Potato move

Already tried it. It fucking sucks since the Agïr has terrible dispersion on the secondaries. You are better of with the standar Agïr build.

but you forgot to mention that it benefits you also in other way because torps will deal also +15% DMG with the skill

@@Luciferian_Rays but torps are only overall small damage compared to secondaries or main battery. So, I think the skill is more or less useless

They wouldn't be wrong to nerf it though. PQ said in this video and I think most of us would agree it didn't need a buff. It was still tons of fun (and very strong) pre-buff.

doubt, most players are just bad, so napoli will never have a big impact outside competitive, and random battles are the most common game mode among the player base, it really needs to be something really fucking busted for wg get their hands out of their buttholes to nerf something

People literally say this every time they see a fun ship, and WG has yet to nerf any released premium/special ship that the playerbase thinks is fun

@@saltyvanilla3304nah it’s been out too long. It’s fine

​@@saltyvanilla3304they nerfed the thunderer and a nerf to the smolinges as two examples and they also nerved the Kremlin and the Schlieffen because they were a little too fun to play.

@@Skerra-kk6sm you can't compare Napoli to those ships Man, Napoli Is not really that level of "op", like yes the secondaries along side the concealment Is for sure a fun combo but it has no radar or hydro, the main guns are mediocre cuz range AND reload Is trash

for SAP secondaries just divide caliber by 3,6 So 152mm = 42,2mm pen follows that 90mm = 25 mm pen

@@Baghno92 90mm have 26mm pen

26mm same as naplli

@@arczer2519 You're right. I didn't double check. I thought seondaries' penetration followed a similar rule to the main guns (in which you divide the caliber by 14,3 to calculate penetretion values), but they do not align to this rule, as they have different ratios for the 90s and the 152s. How are sap secondaries pen values claculated then?

@@tahiribnmohammad5410 yeah you're right. I don't understand how these values are calculated though

You have to go to the news article that mentions the new secondary skills and then click on Participate. Then you will be charged 0 dubs.

nope

Aegir for more secondary and effective

​@@maryceleste_aghost yeap u are right