One thing don't make sense to me, why kill babes, elders and children?

@@tixetixeunem2508the plan was for every Uchiha. It was total elimination. However, Itachi couldn’t go through with it unless The Leaf Elders / Third Hokage agreed that Sasuke wouldn’t be harmed.

@@Mr_APeezy I know that, but don't make sense, kill the babes for example, it's just injustificable, it's hard to take Itachi as a Hero as he does it.

@@tixetixeunem2508 that’s the thing. He isn’t a hero. Just someone who had an impossible choice and chose the village over his clansmen. Think of it this way, either Itachi would’ve done it or the village would’ve done it (which would’ve resulted in even more bloodshed). Either way, depending on who did it (killing babies and the elderly), ‘you’ wouldn’t have liked that individual either any more different than Itachi. And you would have to direct some of your anger towards Third Hokage too who allowed it to happen to again defend the village (in his mind) and of course you wouldn’t have a problem disliking Danzo or the other two Leaf Elders / Council. They already came off as unlikable in their limited screen time.

We couldn’t see it from the beginning cause it wasn’t plan form the beginning 🤣 It’s well known that kishimoto made itachi at first with the idea of making him a heartless monster

He is not an hero

​@@nicolapavoni180ur right, he is not a hero...he WAS a hero

Can you prove that? I can't see it that way 🤔

​@@PabloAlqaIt isn't confirmed but it makes sense, Itachi and Kisame together would've taken like 2 seconds to kill Jiraiya but it is possible Itachi simply ignored Jiraiya cause the message that he was still around was already sent to the leaf higher-ups

@@PabloAlqa I mean it makes a lot of sense. Jiraiya is stated to be one of the best spymasters in the whole series, Itachi is stated to be spying on the Akatsuki for the village. Jiraiya has more knowledge about the Akatsuki than anyone in the Leaf, and the one time the two cross paths, neither uses an offensive jutsu (Jiraiya uses the toad mouth to capture them, Itachi uses Amaterasu to flee) on each other. The math just adds up.

@@__vx3 except jiraiya was surprised when itachi was able to escape, which wouldn't be the case if he meant not to harm him and he also would've stopped itachi from hurting sasuke.

​@@Harrypotter-rb6kv Jiraiya was surprised because he didn't know Itachi could use Amaterasu, and because no one had ever escaped his technique before (he says this before it happens). Jiraiya would also have known that Itachi wasn't going to kill Sasuke, as his safety was the entire point of him going rogue in the first place.

How is that a retcon, actually? Weren't all these hints already given from Chapter 220 to 225 in the Manga. So what exactly was retconned here? I have the feeling some Naruto fans have a borderline illness which prevents them to give Kishi any credit, but well that's not my problem. Just gonna enjoy the Story.

@@Imoha-fz5nm The backstory was still left fairly vague to expand upon, which is what Kishimoto did. Even so, I'm referring to when Itachi first appeared. Keep in mind that during this time the tailed beasts weren't all completely thought out yet, it was just the kitsune and the sand demon. Then we later find out that they needed to collect the tailed beasts in order, yet Itachi was going to completely allow Kisame to cut off Naruto's legs and take Naruto in general, because he had the kitsune inside. There'd be no point in taking Naruto if they weren't ready to extract him and risk having the Leaf Village hunt them down even more, causing more issues. Then you have Itachi's little episode during the flashback before Sasuke "snapped him out of it," when he started making snide remarks about the clan. They were words filled with venom, typical of any villain origin story - especially from a prodigy that "grew bored" or whatever. However, the way Kishimoto did it, it's easy to redirect things in the disguise of "he was a double agent." But even if he were spying on them as a double agent, why would he risk his mission by snapping at the no-name Uchiha that confronted him, saying such idiotic suspicious things? Like, if Sasuke hadn't interrupted things, he was in the process of causing the entire mission to fail - that's not genius planning. Definitely not on the level of someone like Itachi who supposedly planned out the next, what, 5-6 years worth of life. Personally, I feel like Kishimoto started changing things around during the first arc of Shippuden, using what any great writer does - instead of outright ignoring previous lore (like Toriyama), redirecting and expanding upon it.

I'm also 100% sure that itachi was planned to NOT be evil, the author just didnt have the plot planned out in all its details at the time. Remember, one character that is important to this plot point is danzo, and he didn't exist in part 1. Similarly for tobi, i don't think even kishi at the time had planned to tie the plot of kakashi's friend to the uchiha tragedy. I can see how these points can play to your point, but imo the critical point is that itachi going back to konoha made no sense if he was evil. The akatsuki hadn't ordered him to capture naruto, they had to start with the one tail, and he didnt put much effort into actually capturing him. He just wanted to warn jiraya and the village. There are some bad writing points imo, like why did itachi go out of his way to put sasuke and kakashi in coma? it was to show that he is truly dangerous but then isnt he supposed to be a good guy? It was just to tie this arc with this the next arc (looking for tsunade). At the end of the day, as i always say, we don't like naruto because of its solid plot (its not solid), we like it because of cool characters and epic fights.

@@holamola897 again, the tailed beasts weren't really a fully thought out thing at the time. Gaara's sand demon and the ninetales were two separate demons, not really completely part of a set. With that being the case, it makes sense for Akatsuki to take Naruto IF they were going to do whatever the plan had originally been at the time. That said, I could understand the point you made, Itachi not being intended to be a villain completely, but no real idea of how to bring it about. Personally, I just think Kishimoto was going the traditional route of introducing the typical "next strongest villain" for shonen series to follow. I still subscribe to the idea that it probably wasn't until Shippuden, with the reveal of the 9 beasts, that Kishimoto started planning out for Itachi to not be evil.

It was a fucking retcon and the only ones who want to denial are Itachi fanboys and Kishimoto fanboys who think this shit is some great plot twist when in reality this bullshit make the story worse. About Sasuke's future at time after his fight against Itachi, Sasuke said that he would after Obito and that's it. But, in fact, this situation only happen because Fraudmoto wanted so bad that Naruto VS Sasuke end the story, but he never could make the fight between them when the Last Uchiha as his Hebi persona since he could care less about Naruto, Konoha and the world.

He is anything but a big brother.

It is strange, Itachi still committed a horrible deed

You all seem to be forgetting that Itachi was forced to do most of these things. All he ever wanted to do was prevent a senseless war and Shisui offered a perfectly reasonable alternative but Danzo wouldn’t have it. Itachi had to sacrifice the few for the many and what he did to Sasuke only served to give him motivation instead of having him sink into despair. Itachi had been manipulated and played with all his life

@@ZeroResurrected Uh...thay's not *quite* what I was referring to. If you recall, Itachi mentally, emotionally, and physically abused Sasuke to get Sasuke to hate him and kill him. THAT part wasn't forced.

@@OpticalSorcerer Again, better that Sasuke be driven by his hatred then just be swallowed by grief and hopelessness. Itachi never thought that Sasuke would go to Orochimaru and became a criminal himself. He wanted Sasuke to kill him and become a hero

Sasuke don't own shit to his lapdog brother and neither should he became a slave to Konoha like Itachi was.

@@joaov.candido8399 lmao you know he goes back to konoha right?

​@@TmBeast17Yeah, when the story literally end and even after that we see he leave to start his journey.

Sasuke isn't Itachi, he reacted like any other person would

@@quentinjones6877 lmao no.

hail

His Mangekyou background isn't black. The patterns are black. The part you see red is actually the background.

The whites of his eye is all black, his Mangekyo is all red

@@quentinjones6877 the white layer of his eyes are still white, what are you talking about?

@jojomachado9428 ok, his pupil is all black but the whole Mangekyo Sharingan is red where as other Mangekyo users have red pupils but the Mangekyo is black

@@quentinjones6877 It's because you're thinking about the pattern on a inverted scheme. Even in the Sasuke's Mangekyou, the black part which encircles the pattern is above the red layer which is exposed just in the middle of the eye. Try to imagine the eye scheme this way, you'll see Sasuke's eye isn't differente.