1959 for ya

For the 1950's, a guardrail at that time was a safer barrier compared to a concrete wall. For the drivers that is not the spectators.

Lucky nobody Lost in neck Head in Daytona

For most road racing tracks then, the best barriers were hay bails. Otherwise, you had trees to look forward to hitting. Or barb wire fences in the case of Spa-Francorchamps or rows of bushes at the Nurburgring.

In 1961 . Lee Petty went up and over the guard rail during a NASCAR race.

Yeah that's such a good point. He really was the racecar drivers, driver. Meaning all racecar drivers looked at him as the true, no fear, peddle to the metal guy

@@conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059 Every racecar drivers with a long career have fears.

Gotta have a little bit of fear, it’s part of what keeps you on the track.

Who the hell was this Foyt guy? Did he ever do anything in racing?

@@XX-eh2ke 😂

Wow ! 25 mph faster than Indy. That's crazy. You think they would have looked at this race before running at Vegas. Indy cars and high banks do not work. Weldon might still be alive.

@@edgarbeers7475 In Wheldon case more troublesome was the pack racing nature of the high banked ovals than the concept itself.

You know what I don't get is how are the Indycar Drivers feel fatigued going 180 MPH when NASCAR goes close to 200 MPH in a pack, someone please explain, this really interests me.

@@NortonSwankyPants Note that this was way back in 1959. NASCAR didn't go 200mph in 1959. And overall 180mph was an incredible speed figure back then. Nowadays Indycars average more than 220mph in Indianapolis.

@@theflagstand True, but still doesnt explain the Fatigue the drivers got maybe its from the banking? and thats why they can go fast without feeling fatigued on Indianapolis?

Who won the 1979 f1 drivers and team’s championship

@@Jacob-sy9et Ferrari, Jody..

@@alannewman4818 correct

@@Jacob-sy9et it should be Gilles Villeneuve but he has alot of bad luck in that time specially Zanvoort 1979 punctured tires thus broken suspension after running back to the pits and so on and it gaves Jody Scheckter a chance to fight back and took the 1979 World championship title.

@@Jacob-sy9et 1950-Guiseppe Farina 1951-Juan Manuel Fangio 1952-Alberto Ascari 1953-Alberto Ascari 1954-Juan Manuel Fangio 1955-Juan Manuel Fangio 1956-Juan Manuel Fangio 1957-Juan Manuel Fangio 1958-Mike Hawthorn 1959-Jack Brabham 1960-Jack Brabham 1961-Phil Hill 1962-Graham Hill 1963-Jim Clark 1964-John Surtees 1965-Jim Clark 1966-Jack Brabham 1967-Denny Hulme 1968-Graham Hill 1969-Jackie Stewart 1970-Jochen Rindt 1971-Jackie Stewart 1972-Emerson Fittipaldi 1973-Jackie Stewart 1974-Emerson Fittipaldi 1975-Niki Lauda 1976-James Hunt 1977-Niki Lauda 1978-Mario Andretti 1979-Jody Scheckter 1980-Alan Jones 1981-Nelson Piquet 1982-Keke Rosberg 1983-Nelson Piquet 1984-Niki Lauda 1985-Alain Prost 1986-Alain Prost 1987-Nelson Piquet 1988-Ayrton Senna 1989-Alain Prost 1990-Ayrton Senna 1991-Ayrton Senna 1992-Nigel Mansell 1993-Alain Prost 1994-Michael Schumacher 1995-Michael Schumacher 1996-Damon Hill 1997-Jacques Villenuve 1998-Mika Häkkinen 1999-Mika Häkkinen 2000-Michael Schumacher 2001-Michael Schumacher 2002-Michael Schumacher 2003-Michael Schumacher 2004-Michael Schumacher 2005-Fernando Alonso 2006-Fernando Alonso 2007-Kimi Räikkönen 2008-Lewis Hamilton 2009-Jenson Button 2010-Sebastian Vettel 2011-Sebastian Vettel 2012-Sebastian Vettel 2013-Sebastian Vettel 2014-Lewis Hamilton 2015-Lewis Hamilton 2016-Nico Rosberg 2017-Lewis Hamilton 2018-Lewis Hamilton 2019-Lewis Hamilton 2020-Lewis Hamilton

Damn grandpa

Yeah but a halo would have saved him. Most indy deaths were due to no roof

@@mvd4436 didn't the rollbar collapse?

@@simoneburini4036 I don't think it did. His head got hit by a catch fence pole. If there was a halo, his head would not be exposed to the pole

@@mvd4436 i think the fence went through the tub too,not saying the aerkscreen wouldnt helo but i think Dan was a goner, to give indycar some credit they ran at high bank cookie cutters for years

I knew we had lost another great one when I saw that crash because he went flying into the catch fence cockpit first !! That's probably the only thing that saved Austin Dillon in that bad wreck at Daytona, he flew over those cars into the catch fence but wheels first !!! Of course they all know the risk they're taking when they get into the cockpit !! There's been a lot of great drivers lost over the years & may they all R.I.P.!!!🏁

Though it will be in August next year lol.

Kuku h Yup they put Indianapolis in its place lol... kinda funny how we've sort of gone full circle

it almost happened back in 1980 during the USAC/ CART split. it was on the USAC schedule but never run. "IndyCar to Race at Talladega" - racing-reference.info www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=2324 The story of Indy Cars at Talladega begins when a group of car owners in USAC decide to leave the series in late 1978 and start a new one. Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART) was born. Right from the start, NASCAR sided itself with USAC.

@@tymcfadden8496 But in that period, there been a race with indycar and silver crown at Pocono... So...

@@tymcfadden8496 But it probably can be done... Here's the thing: Indycar already play with turbo pressure going to 750 hp to 550 hp. Nascar was safe at indy with 900 hp, and talks about 450hp at Talladega. I guess at 300 hp indycar can run at Talladega, but what would be the point of that?

@@therrydicule Pocono was originally built for indy cars. they raced there for several years until the harsh winters tore the track up so badly that they couldn't run there anymore. they finally fixed it and now they run there again.

I had a crazy thought. Put F1 cars at Talladega.

Ask Cevert and Koinig how safe those barriers were.

Ask Gordon Smiley....

Yea that was a bad crash

Duncan Hamilton and Tony Rolt won Le Mans while drunk in 1953.

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 A couple of jolly sporting chaps, those two.

Lmao ya man

Tom Farmer both Indy and Formula 1

Without any milk

Lol right? Constantly doing 240+ in modern Indycars in that game.

@SupremeLeader GNKdroid - Imagine what it took to continue running in the 1955 24 hrs. of Le Mans after a driver, and over 80 spectators were killed! Hard to comprehend.

That was a regular occurrence on any given short track back then

Bull Shit! Indy cars at Talladega! Awesome. Let's do it! 33 cars all out! Balls to the wall! I would pay to see it live on E.S.P.N. Shawn

@@shawnbeck2303 Alright, but you gotta drive one.

Indycars at the Daytona rc

That has been colorized btw

Others times

Well being they both are owned by the same family I'm sure it didn't take much arm twisting to make it happen.

when they built Daytona the owners probably just hired “Bob’s contracting“ or some shit to build the safety rails Lol

This was deadly but think of the fear you had barreling down the bumpy brick jusseling the wheel of a roadster into turn 1

@@precesionnoreaster1507 yep, that must’ve been horrifying

This didn't happen tho

That's what I'm surprised about too. Even the first Daytona 500 had camera crews. But this race didn't?

Just bought the NASCAR record book, all race finishes listed. If ya ever needto know anything...

Good one, it just doesn't have the same ring as "Firecracker 400" for sure.

John Vandeventer the MLB baseball fan 2019 the what

Id rather lose it in one of the new ones. Those things have crumple zones and airbags; these old indycars are turbocharged flying bathtubs. You stuff one of those and you're done.

@John Moses Browning - Air bags? In an Indy car? I don't think so.

@@LoulovesspeedThey don’t put airbags in race cars. They’re dead weight.

@@Trainlover1995 - I am well aware of that! I didn't say that they did, it was JMB7416 above. My reply to him was I don't think so. You need to read more carefully before making stupid replies!

would be more fun to watch

Unfortunately, you can't do the trick roller coasters do to avoid blackouts. They intersperse high-G turns with sharp hills, producing negative G's which force blood back into the brain.

@@alaeriia01 Why not? That'd be cool!

@@beachcottage3740 you'd need a crapload of downforce to avoid cars going airborne. Unlike roller coasters, F1 cars aren't locked to the track.

@@alaeriia01 Not locked to the track? Are you sure? Why am I always the last to hear?!

33 for Dega, 31 for Daytona.

I mean just look at F1 racing in the 60-80s, Look at the short but brutal history of Group B Rally, classic racing, was fast, deadly, all together incredibly unsafe

@@DevinEMILE I thought they closed Group B before any major catastrophes? (I know they had one set of driver/navigator killed, but thats still way better than 60's F1, right?)

@@extragoogleaccount6061 Depends on how you define major, but there were a few crashes into spectators on top of the crash in Italy you're describing.

It's talked about in the movie "Grand Prix". I can see where they don't use the banked course anymore

Clever

I think a Porsche turned a lap there at about 240 mph.

@@prevost8686 I've always been fascinated by these "closed course" records. I remember Rusty Wallace in a Penske prepped Cup car, without a restrictor plate, lapped Talladega at 216 mph. Gil de Ferran got the pole at over 241 mph for a CART race at Fontana. Mark Donahue lapped at over 221mph in the powerful Porsche 917 CanAm at Talladega. Best of all, I believe AJ Foyt still has the "closed course" record at over 257mph on the Firestone test track in Texas, driving an experimental aero smooth body adapted to an IndyCar chassis, designed and sponsored by Oldsmobile.

@Wayne Swicegood - Mark Donohue - 1975 ran 221 average and 241 top speed in a Porsche 917-30 Can Am car.

But wasn’t that at Texas World Speedway (College Station TX, not the track near Fort Worth)?

@@2themoon863 yes

Depends on how much horsepower and downforce they were given. I would imagine if they were given the 800 horsepower that engine is capable of then it would be possible. Remember when Deferran broke that record those guys were running close to a thousand horsepower

A.J. Foyt held the record. He ran on the Texas Motor Speedway. Don't remember the speed. The car was very sleek at the time. Does anyone have information? On the car and speed. Maybe the year and date too? SHAWN

IndyCar did a test on the Roval a while back (2007?)

Just think about hitting 165mph in a car designed for 1/4-1 mile dirt tracks...

The aero drag is what kept the dirt cars from spinning and going airborne at Daytona in '59. Of course with the extra drag it made the dirt cars run slower but it had to have made for a better handling car around those long high banked corners and it had to have made for happier drivers not having to work as hard as the roadster drivers barely hanging on for dear life!

In a longer event it could actually have been very interesting, a battle of endurance. The roadster drivers crashing out or getting too exhausted vs. the dirt cars' engines possibly developing problems due to exceeding their design limits. After all, the fastest dirt car was 'only' 11mph slower than the fastest car so on the long run it could've worked. Of course a longer event would've probably meant more serious crashes too.

@TheLazyWanderer - The Hudson Motor Co. built the Hornet model in the fifties and it helped popularize the early years of NASCAR. Its legendary straight six managed to blow off the V8s of the time and this got the attention of everyone. Hudson later became American Motors or AMC.

They were also one of, if not the smoothest driving american cars at the time. My grandad had one and it was glorious until my dad and uncles worked on it. Then it was demonic. I was too young to remember all of what they did to it, but I remember that they "found" the engine at an airport, the new springs they threw in the back meant it could carry a lot of "Mexican Hay" in the trunk without sitting too low...

Kyle Larson is one of us.

Prove it.

As much as I thought that was a good idea, I don’t think it’s possible because of the high speeds and progressive banking