Strong vs Weak Bowling Balls

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National Bowling Academy

8 жыл бұрын

USBC Gold coach Bryan O’Keefe and USBC Hall of Famer Carolyn Dorin-Ballard discuss the difference between strong and weak bowling balls and the common misconception of what it means for a ball to be considered strong.
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@samuelkraft4221
@samuelkraft4221 8 жыл бұрын
That totally makes complete sense!! I will add this lesson to the books for sure!! Thank you guys for the demo, GREAT job!!
@TheJolarn
@TheJolarn 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, really want to see more from you guys!
@alanmerrill8628
@alanmerrill8628 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool video 💥 I learned so much..
@Bouzsi
@Bouzsi 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Such information. Many good. I've been in dozens of bowling alleys, bowled thousands of games, and I had not noticed that the lanes are much longer than ever are wide. Thank you, Coach B-reezy, you've made me much good.👍
@jbuzz68
@jbuzz68 7 жыл бұрын
I think this was a very good teaching video. Now i know more of what to look for when watching my ball go down the lane. I feel more educated as I walk into my pro shop when asking for specifics.
@falopio67
@falopio67 5 жыл бұрын
hi any suggestion for bowling lanes in miami area? coming back to bowling and need some equipment update and lesson.
@FSUSean2112
@FSUSean2112 3 жыл бұрын
wow very good video, been bowling for 18 years and ive always looked at left to right not front to back but it just changed my whole thinking process of if i want a stronger ball or not im really happy i checked out the video and watched im definitely gunna take those and learn.
@NationalBowlingAcademy
@NationalBowlingAcademy 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Thank you for checking us out!
@FSUSean2112
@FSUSean2112 3 жыл бұрын
@@NationalBowlingAcademy definitely
@ozneroll2132
@ozneroll2132 6 жыл бұрын
I always equated a stronger as one that had more drive (roll) through the pins as the backend transitioned
@dharvell
@dharvell 2 жыл бұрын
The part I can't wrap my head around: A bowling ball that reads earlier and hits the pins with less energy is considered "strong"? And a ball that reserves its energy and hits the pins with more energy is considered "weak"? That all sounds bass-ackwards.
@doge2themoon373
@doge2themoon373 4 ай бұрын
Right I feel like a ball hooking more would be strong and a weak hook would hook less
@bowler3329
@bowler3329 5 жыл бұрын
I never liked the term "Weak", it sounds negative. how about dry lane ball vs. oily lane ball.
@FSUSean2112
@FSUSean2112 3 жыл бұрын
how about low energy and high energy balls
@bowler3329
@bowler3329 3 жыл бұрын
@@FSUSean2112 Yes, or Strong on Dry Lanes, Strong on heavy oil. I consider my Motiv Hydra to be my Dry Lanes Jackal.
@lmaofao9071
@lmaofao9071 Жыл бұрын
no thx
@randyperry8442
@randyperry8442 7 жыл бұрын
I believe a weaker ball is those that are for medium to dry lanes, a stronger ball are for medium to oily lanes. Balls that hook less are weaker and don't have the strong back end reaction except on dryer lane conditions. For heavier oil conditions you would want a ball the that will be able to hook once it comes out of the heavy oil condition. What works for one person might not work for another even on the same lane conditions. So many individual variables come into play.
@markbreck8008
@markbreck8008 2 жыл бұрын
This is really just esoteric information. If you watch your shot you can see when the ball turns. But how does this make a difference in the game? When would you want each type of ball? That is the needed information.
@vinzo2385
@vinzo2385 4 жыл бұрын
I just got the phaze 2. For some reason keep hitting it through the head head pin no matter how much angle I get. I throw the ball slow at round 13-14mph. 2 handed by the way. I feel like the phaze 2 has to much grip on the lane and I cant get enough on it to get it down the lane before it wants to grip/hook. Should I consider a pearl ball instead of the phaze 2? thanks love the content.
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@NationalBowlingAcademy 4 жыл бұрын
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@Banana69999
@Banana69999 Жыл бұрын
Can you categorize strong and weak by the differential?
@gordonolson1904
@gordonolson1904 2 жыл бұрын
I used to be a more avid bowler but haven't bowled for awhile so I have some OLD equipment. Probably @ 15-20 years old. I feel like in order to be competitive I'd have to upgrade my equipment. Newer cores mean different weight blocks and more aggressive flips into the pocket. But I also see that I may have relied too much on equipment in the past to do what better mechanics and drills could do for me. Do you think it's possible for me to still use my existing equipment on most current lane conditions or has the evolution of bowling balls advanced enough so that no matter how much I improve my skills a newer ball is necessary?
@browntrousersmoment
@browntrousersmoment Жыл бұрын
You definitely need to get something new. Storm Hyroad, or IQ and Motive Venom Shock are awesome benchmark balls.
@bharris010486
@bharris010486 Жыл бұрын
You could use a wooden ball if you’d like. Just have to hit the pocket flush.
@Landmine16
@Landmine16 5 жыл бұрын
Me: I WANT A WEAKER BALL I have high rev and low speed, the weakest ball I have is a tropical storm, but I need something weaker!
@thebeastaround420
@thebeastaround420 5 жыл бұрын
Landmine VG just throw a spare ball or something, like a motiv sniper
@Eliri07
@Eliri07 4 жыл бұрын
Well if u are a 495 rev guy with high speed u have to play to the edge and then back, sometimes u just have to, example, if ur on a 36 ft sport you cant really throw a phaze 2 down the lane
@itsswooshgod1012
@itsswooshgod1012 5 жыл бұрын
Me personally idrc to much I just get up and trow the ball however I feel like it sometimes I hook or just send it straight I average 150ish per game and I'm still fairly new but this was helpful but I don't see why people make a fuss about where they stand since idont have a certain place to stand and I can usually get strikes
@denmanfite3156
@denmanfite3156 4 жыл бұрын
I bowl about 150 and I don't "usually get strikes" so I'm not sure what you're talking about... And I have a specific starting place when I bowl.
@asdfkhieee
@asdfkhieee Жыл бұрын
So wouldn't I want one of each of these for different Lane oil conditions as well as a spare ball? And should your spare ball be weak or strong? As a new bowler do I really need three different balls for League?
@apheligoat
@apheligoat Жыл бұрын
i’m new as well and i ended up getting a urethane a hybrid and a pearl cover stock it handles most of the conditions i play on pretty well and it’s a good start i eventually will end up having more than 20 at some point lmao but that’s with time
@bluesaber7756
@bluesaber7756 Жыл бұрын
So are stronger balls worse since they use more energy before the end?
@brade4640
@brade4640 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by weaker or stronger ball? Need to be more specific
@lendaryreviews
@lendaryreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Good. Stuff.
@clarkydm
@clarkydm 7 жыл бұрын
let me see if I follow, the suggestion here is that the bowling ball that hooks less is stronger because it retains more energy? So it's the old Randy Peterson line straight is great. stand on 20 and throw it down 10. you just need the right ball for the condition be it urethane, solid reactive, pearlized or hybrid reactive or plastic. it only makes sense that the less you hook the ball or the less lane you use, the shorter the shot so the more energy the ball has at the pins.
@jtsax95
@jtsax95 7 жыл бұрын
the stronger ball moves less but it uses its energy sooner, not retain it.
@tylerstine784
@tylerstine784 7 жыл бұрын
David Clark this is exactly what I do with a ball speed of 19-20 mph I never have to change lines I throw down 10 and maybe move a couple boards left I drill balls so I have plenty of used shit I've drilled out for myself that I can pick from to read the lane correctly according to condition I will not move I have an arsenal big enough to accommodate anything which is nice but not everyone has that luxury I don't believe this is an accurate representation of strong and weak ball either poor in my opinion but to each their own
@ThePaesan1
@ThePaesan1 2 жыл бұрын
DEEP!!!!!!
@rousefire
@rousefire 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a senior bowler and my ball speed has slowed down to about 14 mph . The house I bowl has old wood lanes . I can no longer stay behind the ball due to wrist problems, my ball hooks to much and is inconstant .I fight the lanes every week . Anybody reading this post who knows what they are talking about I would like some input . Would a plastic ball like the Hammer Widow spare perform on burnt out lanes for an aging bowler , stroker , without a lot of ball speed ?
@paulcardinal626
@paulcardinal626 5 жыл бұрын
d rouse have you tried an entry level ball like tropical storm, they tend to hook less and still have decent power also they make a lot of great urethane balls like the pitch black and the black hammer, i would stay away from the hot cell it’s a great urethane ball but i find it read very early
@jesserodriquez4829
@jesserodriquez4829 5 жыл бұрын
Try using the Robby Revs 2 wrist brace should keep ur wrist consistent
@douglasbuck8986
@douglasbuck8986 5 жыл бұрын
I'd try a higher number Abralon Pad like 4000 grit - or polish the ball - or both. If the ball is like 500/2000 you could even try try tuning the ball down a bit and go 1000/3000 (OR ANY COMBINATION THEREOF). The first number (500) is for the backend reaction, and the BIG number (2000) is to get the ball down the lane. You can sculpt your ball to read the lane in a way you can manage. I bought a spinner so I could do it myself. I'm 61 years old - 193 avg. Mid range balls might be easier to handle if you've been throwing top of the line balls. YOU may also have to figure out how to use the oil as your "friend" and bowl more in the oil. Friction has become your enemy....... how you deal with it is scientific bowling - throw the ball - observe the ball - decide what to do. Good Luck!!!!!
@flinch622
@flinch622 5 жыл бұрын
You need a low flare layout with a short pin-pap. Something like 90x40 @ 2" or less [maybe 1 1/4" for wood], then play with surface as others suggest. At 14, you're probably getting earlier read than you might like, so pearl with some surface [to bleed off a touch before end of pattern/make it less jumpy] might be an idea. Something long with a higher rg and low hook rating like the Rhino is something to consider.
@oldgoat50
@oldgoat50 5 жыл бұрын
I would suggest going to your ball driller and tell them what you bowl on and have them suggest a ball and layout for your game. I know how it is to get old.;-)
@joepic85
@joepic85 5 жыл бұрын
Obvious stuff. If your ball is rolling out. Then go to a pearl ball. Something that retains energy. the duller surface balls have a tendency to roll out if the mid lane is broken down
@brettrobbins2707
@brettrobbins2707 3 жыл бұрын
So to you a solid is weaker and a pearl is stronger
@rickymata82
@rickymata82 2 ай бұрын
That's what I got from this.
@thanksfernuthin
@thanksfernuthin 6 жыл бұрын
If everyone naturally assumes a ball that saves it's kick for the end is a stronger ball, they should have gone with the more intuitive way to name it. So a strong ball is strong at the end and a weak ball is weak at the end.
@danvanhoose6783
@danvanhoose6783 3 жыл бұрын
Bowling ball head.
@JackRainfield
@JackRainfield 8 жыл бұрын
1st... That paper model is NOT an accurate and proportional representation of an alley. 2cnd..... This weak vs strong issue is just semantics. It's only logical that most people would think a stronger ball would have more hook. But someone at a higher level made a decision that a ball with more hook would be called a weaker ball. Big deal.
@ryanb649
@ryanb649 8 жыл бұрын
paper model is pretty accurate, a lane is 60 feet long while it's only 3.5 feet wide so it's approximately a 17:1 ratio. I disagree on it being semantics as there is such a large gap between people who understand the concept and those who don't.
@JackRainfield
@JackRainfield 8 жыл бұрын
Ok, I'm gonna give you the dimension question even though I think he's a tad off. After a bunch of googling I realize the lane is narrower than it appears when bowling. On the other hand the semantic thing is clear. Someone at some point had to decide whether they should call a ball that hooks easily a weak ball or a strong ball. That person chose to call it a weak ball. Fine... that's a semantic choice. All I'm saying is I think the confusion stems from the fact that most people would call an easy hook ball a strong ball, not a weak ball. It's not a matter of if they understand the concept or the physics behind it. It's just that a ball that hooks a lot is a ball most people would think of as strong, not weak.
@almanrecycling3978
@almanrecycling3978 6 жыл бұрын
A weaker ball will travel further down the lane before hooking (weaker grip) a stronger ball will hook earlier ( stronger grip) Makes perfect sense if you eliminate the left to right movement from the equation.
@22Catch22
@22Catch22 6 жыл бұрын
I think of a ball cover as sandpaper and weaker vs stronger in abrasion characteristics.
@coachlange4323
@coachlange4323 5 жыл бұрын
Mud tires have more surface area and are stronger at getting the vehicle to move in the slippery mud, earlier, and will appear as a much less drastic change of direction because it's grabbing sooner and longer before it hits the drier part. Performance street tires are weaker at getting the vehicle to move as soon in the mud, but once they do get to the drier road, will drastically move and have a much more angular recorrection of direction at a later time. This is how it is being defined & what they are saying in the video. The description of it this way is coupling the understanding of the front to back time in each of the 3 phases of ball motion. Essentially a "stronger" ball has a coverstock that tries transitioning sooner to the hook phase than a ball with a weaker coverstock that waits longer to transition to the hook phase. Pros and elite players use this way of viewing ball motion/shape to help them find their desired ball path to get their ball to the pocket.
@bL3dbL4k
@bL3dbL4k 5 жыл бұрын
This is dumb. This "weak" bowling ball has massive hook. They should show the difference between an actual weak bowling that skids on heavy oil. I brought my normal ball to the lanes. Hardly any hook. It was a nightmare. Couldn't throw the ball the way I like it. Fast with revs. Instead had to slow it down and it was still inconsistent. Should compare that to an actual strong ball to see a difference.
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