I will leave any notes here:- 1. Dainsleif's Element consists of 7 unknown symbols. Likely defiled versions of the Seven Elements that were taken from him when his divnity was separated from body and soul. 2. Originally, I went into detail regarding the historical origins of the "Root Cycle". However, I later decided to cut it out of the video because it was frankly a waste of time. The only thing worth noting is that Theosophists believe in a central Solar Diety for every Solar System that is called "The Logos" under which there are Seven Ministers for every planet. 3. Buer is an exception to this theory. I will talk about it in a separate video.

Also that's why we portray the third descender as "dead". As Aranaras said, in this world, if someone loses their memories they're considered as dead.

Now that I think about it, Klee's love for destruction is similar to that of Elynas. Neither of them understand that it's wrong, but they do know that they don't want to make people sad.

WAIT!!! Your theory is so good, that I don’t think even you realize how good it is. This explains why the Primordial One REALLY hates when other Gods make humans. The Humans that he and the Shade of Life created have his own blood, therefore, The Heavenly Principles can control them and CURSE THEM into Hilichurls at will. But humans who do not have the Primordial One’s DNA are outside of its control.

bro just went "Dainslief is the third descender. This isn't a prediction, this is a spoiler" 😂

"A snake is just a really shitty version of a dragon" had me actually laughing out loud omg 😂

It is indeed weird that the Travail trailer makes it sound like Dainsleif is our final enemy. I never thought about it this way before and tbh, I agree with your take. However, I doubt people collectively are going to stand behind it due to how wild it is. It is really difficult for someone who saw Dainsleif as a human throughout the game to think that he is a Descender.

BRO HATH COOKED AND THE DINNER IS SERVED, LET THE FEAST COMMENCE

It makes me think about the fact that traveler never asked Nahida about information on Dainsleif or his information in Irminsul. Or even the other Archons

i love how with fontaine release genshin lore community just descended straight into the madness mode

I really really like seeing the shades as kaslanas and the primordial one as kevin himself. That would make me extremely happy because honestly it fits so well? Especially with what welt said in star rail how the same people tend to share similar fates in different universes: kevin the finality, and kevin the usurper :D

When I first looked at the Vidyadharas and heard of the "long life species" term, I legit cooked that Alice was one of them and a Nameless who got in Teyvat through the Astral Express because of her message to Klee in the GAA. That'd explain why she's always traveling, never to be found and has access to alien technologies/knowledgeable, etc. She's probably not a Natlanian dragon but looks like them just enough to go unnoticed. Glad to hear someone mentioning Vidyadhara ears in their theory. Thank you for the meal 🙏

Dude youre INSANELY smart yk that? The ability to take in and see through every tiny hint and essentially solve thr story is truly mind fucking obliterating. Every point blows my mind

Dragons love gold… Dragons love Gold! Gold loves dragons. She did make one after all. Hexenzirkel are dragons or dragon sympathisers hence why they had beef with Venti. Gold was looking for a way to either a. Give dragons their bodies back orrrrrrr b. Create new dragon sovereigns that had passed potentially not knowing some remained in human form?

This theory is so cracked it deserves a million views. More excited than ever for Natlan!

This is simply INSANE , I love this video . Genshin lore is amazing and these theories make it even more so . The amount of effort put into this video can't go unnoticed btw so well done honestly !

this is crazy bc ouroboros the tail devourer is actually very popular as a representation of 'cyclical fate' in chinese fictions. it is associated with trapping people in an endless loop (samsara), eternity/infinity, and fate. In addition, I was so glad you brought it up because I've always believed the primordial one was a snake. Not only does the symbols and architecture of the ancient unified civilisation resemble snakes, but Enkanomiya literally has statues of snakes and begged Orobashi, a snake, to become their new god. Why would the boy be so excited to serve Orobashi, if Enkanomiya wasn't already used to worshipping snakes?

also dainsleif has golden hair which means he could potentially be Nara Varuna and not the sibling

My theory is: The Black Serpent of the Battle Pass is the "Sinner" we met in the Caribert quest. Serpents are usually religous symbols for "sin", like the one who made Eve take the "FORBIDDEN" fruit who gave her "KNOWLEDGE" of sin. FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, anyone? The same "forbidden knowledge" that is shown as a black liquid spreading on the land? Almost like the liquid that drips from the Black Serpent's fangs? The Sinner first brought forbidden knowledge to Teyvat, and it is symbolised as a Serpent dripping black venom from its mouth. The "genesis pearl" could symbolise Teyvat itself, since the Serpent's venom drips into the pearl, turning it black, symbolising how the knowledge it brought corrupted the World.

15:04 hit me with the meanest ad, i really thought the video ended right here😂

the way your videos just simply....make so much sense, is just baffling, you are most certainly the best genshin loretuber out there, and i think you genuinly have figured out this game with this video, i knew that the traveller being the 4th decender and us currently being in the 4th samsara couldnt be a mere coincidence and that the initiation of a samsara starts when a descender arrives, but i wasnt confident enough to belive in that theory myself until you said the same lol

You know going back to Chinese Lore, Dragons were Divine (and royals believed they're descendants of them), so if the Primordial one is a dragon, I can see why the Devs made it that way.

Almost tapped a hole into my tablet starting this video :)

woooow i've never even thought of klee being a dragon :0 that's so cool!

Omg i loved this video Yes u are right vishnu the one who maintains the world is explicitly called the 'sustainer'. Always ringed a bell in my head. Good luck for further videos!

This also works with how Nahida's longevity being a branch of Irminsul is similar (?) to the Vidyadhara's reincarnation cycle. So far the only 'elves' we know are: Klee & Alice Neuvilette Layla Iansan Nahida (and by extention Rukkhadevata) It is also interesting how Dainsleif always covers his ears... Now with Kevin being an expy as TPO, it would be funny as the first samsara, corresponding with the first descender, is Hyperborea, and Kevin has been 'cursed' to the point he cannot touch anyone due to how cold his body temperature is...

Regarding Hunahpu and Xbalanque, who becomes the Sun and who the Moon?

I just can't figure out why pure Khaenriahns can't be turned into Hillichurls, I know a mix of pure Khaenriahn blood and Non-khaenriahn can be turned into Hillichurls cause they have Primordial one's blood in them so he can turn them into Hillichurls at will but what's in Pure Khaenriahn's blood that makes them an exception from this transformation?

This actually makes a lot of sense when I look at the overall thing. Dam this is game-changing on so many levels if it is true.

If traveler is thor, they’re gonna die during the final battle

This also explains why Rukkhadevata was not the first pick for the Dendro Archon by celestia, they have to go over Nabu Malikata, Deshret, unknown mushroom/fungus god and then finally into this supposedly "elven" princess when in reality, looking at how Sumeru city, and more specifically Akademiya itself are essentially her place to hoards treasures and "Knowledge", That she is a Dragon herself. It's no wonder why she's so fixated on Wisdom and the method on how to obtain it to the point she herself takes in Forbidden Knowledge that would eventually backfire completely against her own people.

I always have high expectations from your videos, but this one blew my mind. The way you connected the dots is insane 🔥

"did the rooster hatch from an egg" good sir you insult me, I was questioning if the rooster was the cryo sovereign

ITS POSSIBLE DAINSLIEF DOES NOT HAVE THE REAL EYE OF THE FIRST FIELD TILLER !! During a quest in sumeru, the traveler and an academia researcher go to an appraiser in search of an item but the appraiser showes us something else instead, thinking its what we were looking for. They claim that its the ruin core from the ruin guard ontop of stormterrors lair, siting the battle scars all around it from its fight with the great wolf of mondstat. Does that mean this is genuine? When we saw the eye of the first field tiller at the end of the dainslief quest we see no claw marks around it, does that mean it was switched out? How did it end up in the posession of the appraiser, does dainslief know he does not have the real eye of the first field tiller ? Are the ruin gaurd core and the eye of the first field tiller not the same thing? Paimon was the one that asked if dainslief could have a fake, i feel like this is something that was just glossed over considering the quest isnt voice acted. Could someone please tell me what you think of thiw.

what if the primordial one is/was a dark snake? akin to an imoogi, a snake wanting to grow into a full-fledged dragon after waiting a thousand years and forming (or stealing) a dragon (genesis) pearl?

my notes about the video : 1- kevin kaslana is confirmed to be KK of honkai impact. which i think he is the expy of genshin's KK . now the question is , is KK the primordial one or smthin? 2- nahida/rukhadeveta are dragons now ? XD u ignored them completely 3- if dainslief is a descender dragon why does he have same eyes like rest of khaenrians , are they created by him now? in ur previous video u said they are seelies 4- disagree about descenders being each associated with a samsara. the first 3 came around the same time , remember that 1st & 2nd made gnosis together from the 3rd 5- i still don't know why the cycles part of narzissenkruz and the mytholgy dump is even mentioned feels unnecessary and even more confusing. 6- why doesn't zhongli have pointed ears then. and why him, klee and iansan doesn't have reptilian pupils. u know that's the rule according to enjou and neuvilette matches that.

here before the title change also that video quality man ✋😔👌 You know I always wondered why we haven’t seen more fairy tale creatures since i thought characters like klee are elves and dragons exist

GREAT VIDEO!!! Love your enthusiasm!!! 😊😊😊

This is an awesome theory!!! The other day I also dawned on the similarities between the long life species on the Xianzhou and Klee & Alice. Originally, I was thinking they may be the elf species commonly found around there (I think we’ve only seen NPC’s so far though), and since we know Alice can travel between worlds, I assumed she may of came from there. Your connections have a lot more reason behind it though! I almost completely believe with this theory!! My only question is, are you saying Alice and Klee are from Natlan, or another type of evolved dragon? Great work, looking forward to the next video!

In my opinion, Neuvillette didn't create life, but either extracted, removed or transformed the premodial waters in their veins to blood. As explained in the archon quest, Folcalore used the waters to turn oceanid into humans but the waters still remained in their bodies. Also a thing to note, is that a single Oceanid "created" by the waters of many dissolved Fontainians.

Thanks for the video! I watched this one, then rewatched the previous one, and... I can't stop thinking we're not the main heroes of the story we're just guiding Pale Princess and the Third Descender to their happy romantic ending... aka... Paimon and Dainsleif 😨

Quote from the "wings of feasting" (aka "kfc wings"): Once Upon a Time, that world was ruled by dragons. But not the ones you hear about in stories. These were more akin to a cross between lizards and chickens.

I have learned to believe you out of all of the people who do theories because your theories make the most sense and not just seemingly trying to ride what people thought is collectively right. The amount of research and cooking is so good.

Very convoluted and entertaining lol it felt like various different theories at the same time ^^

My question is, if this is all correct, how the heck does Paimon tie into any of this? Unless she's just a red herring and will never actually be significant to the story

I'm only halfway through this video, and I'm hooked. You're unhinged, dude! I'm subbing immediately!

Klee being a dragon is so crazy, but makes sense... the girls obsessed with setting things on fire 😂😂

This theory just mind-blowing! And now I'm even ore interested in Iansan.

What a masterpiece of a video, I am in awe. How do you do it? You truly understand this game. I'm prepared for your subs to go from 7.6k to 1mil+

Bro I get shivers every time I watch these I swear they need to be MAD popular

Keep cooking, brother, this is a fine theory you’ve got here.

I do think Kevin would be pretty fitting to be a Descender or the Primordial One. Dude's determination to fufill his obejctives is insane in HI3. And I think it would be a match for the will of a descender since his plans would affect the whole world of HI3 as well. I also don't think Celestia or whatever, is evil. Just doing what they can to preserve Teyvat, since from the Narwal's descriptions mentions puts the idea that there's something that impedes outside stuff to contact Teyvat. And there's also the K.K mentioned in the Travelers' descriptions. I'd love for the Primordial One and his four shades to represent different Kaslanas. Like Kallen, Kiana, Kevin, Bianka, Siegfried. Maybe even Cecília, who is Siegfrieds wife.

Brother is coocking

15:03 I had an ad here and thought you were done, that would have been a brutal cliffhanger, this is so good 😂☠️

4th cycal is khaenri'ah

This is phenomenal lore content!

Never stop cooking because I’m convinced!! Also to add to your Kevin being the primordial one theory, if I remember correctly the twins intro cards in CN are told by KK aka Kevin

thanks, as entertaining and informative as always!

DUDE we had a same brain moment I /just/ put a video explaining the five suns, I'm so glad someone else pointed it out too❤

Imagine that the "Rooster" is a reference to the Basalisk?!

How on earth just today I stumbled on your channel? Binge watching your other videos.

what does this mean for the tsarita collecting the gnoses though? dainsleif's divine half will be resurrected? does the tsarita have any connection to the seelie dainsleif fell in love with? I guess dain may not have his descender memories cuz like bro she be collecting your remains like pokemon, but if his divine half does get resurrected in natlan it's gonna be crazy 😂

okay youre the best genshin lore theorist imo! ive seen many genshin lore videos and i know this all just speculation but your theory is just wild lol wdym dainsleif is THE THIRD DESCENDER?! 19:43 this part give me goosebumbs, its just so much sense! i always thought he talk about our sister. also primordial one being a dragon too?? wow :o PLS i hope kevin expy being primordial one is true or playable kevin expy pls hyv! ive been interested in him but cant play hi3 TT also i dont remember if its explained in star rail, but your explanation about why danheng have humanoid version just made some sense in my brain (well it thanks to fontaine aq too). i always thought that because of his sin he is reincarnated as a human, but then his lc show him chained as a dragon and that confused me lol anyway thank you for the video! it made my day o/

Good ass vid man. Never even focused on this since I was caught up in all the tragedy stories. And Melusines :_:

Man, I just clicked because I saw Kevin in the thumbnail.

i absolutely LOVE unhinged theories yasss keep it going ugh i cant wait for the fontaine part of Dain's quest

If we look at consecrated beasts, they ascended to pseudo-divinity by eating the corpses of gods, but failed to properly absorb it and became simple monsters. This will offend Liyue, but this reminds me of illuminated beasts, or adepti for those which signed a contract with daddy ZL. Speaking of Morax, he was the one who 'illuminated' all these beasts by teaching them adeptal arts, the original illuminated beast. But he likes to take the form of a dragon. Emperors in ancient China were said to have dragon blood running in their veins, making them divine. Zhongli have dragon blood and became divine? Like how the shade of life created the second heart (Egeria) from the first heart (Hydro sovereign)?

Great video, I normally reply to such good videos with essays, but this video has such a broad range of topics that it would be hard to reply so I'd need to type a whole thesis to properly discuss all the information so I gave up lol What I'll say is that Hoyoverse always revisits important themes in all their games, each time telling them from a different perspective, only by understanding each perspective then we can get an overarching message and meaning. It is more than just "expies", the same characters are "reused" to tell a completely different story so as to provide us with different contextual meanings.

Imagine honkai impact 3rd and Genshin Linking into Star Rail? Like we did find Himeko’s shattered sword and Traveler’s wings inside Herta station. Since the threes and all in their own universes. It talks about the multiverse theory meaning the Travelers in the future could potentially past Herta Station.

The only issue with this theory is the fact that the dragon of water,and therefore the Pirmoridal sea is the origin of all life , it's stated in neuvillette's story voicelines that the hydro sovereign is the authority of life ,and it was stolen and used to create the shade of life further after , which goes against Pirmoridal one being the creator of lives and creating them from himself bc he already stole the ability in the first place.

If Natlan is the nation of dragons and humans living together it only makes sense we will see a lot of elf ear like playable characters possible and some human mixed together.

It would explain why the primordial one has wings but the halo part still confuses me. Unless it’s saying they’re an Angel Dragon hybrid.

It's time to cook. - "It's okay Paimon we regard you as Big-Sis" - Melusine after the archon quest. What are the melusines to Neuvilette? Cater "Hmm you like treasures and eating...are you a dragon Paimon?" Yepp he just goes out and says it. Anarana calls everything anarana, but NOT Paimon they only refer to her as White-Floaty, meaning they have NO memory of her existence. Why because Paimon is the Primordial dragon diminished. Paimon " Paimon is Paimon"

Alright you have caught my interest for that you deserve my like!

Doesn't nahida have elf ears as well?

maybe I missed something but IM SO CONFUSED 😭 if you’re saying Dainsleif is the third descender, then why did Skirk say that the gnoses were the remains of the third descender that had died long ago? That would be saying Dainsleif died and was used to create the gnoses? unless you’re talking abt his previous form that died and then Dainsleif was reborn? please explain if you can 💗

Some of this felt like a major reach... but some of it felt like it rang so true that light bulbs went on in my head. What you said about the descenders and the samsaras for instance. I remember seeing the lore drop about them in game and going whoa this feels huge but not knowing how exactly. 4 descenders. 4 samsaras. I havent finished the video entirely so I dont know if you discussed this or not yet but something that has bothered me since we learned all about Remuria was the god Remus himself. He doesn't sound like just your typical god by what little information they give about him. He has some pretty immense power from what they say. In fact what they do let us know is so suspiciously little that it gives me huge questions about what type of being he was. He is supposed to be long dead but I dont recall how exactly. Perhaps he is the mysterious 3rd descender? No idea, and perhaps the fact that he also had a brother named Romulus (Remus... Romulus... twins in our own mythology... just like Aether + Lumine?!) could be a major clue as to whether that theory holds any weight? Another thought: 4 samsaras, 4 descenders. ..... 4 shades?

If they are all Dragon-People it would explain why we've heard nothing from them in the other regions. We needed Neuvillette.

Is there treasure goblins like beings in Genshin? Not like dori but actual monster type beings who seem possessive over treasure?

I definitely learnt more history here than in School. And that too it's captivating.

17:43 if mine ears do not deceive me, i belive the elden ring theme song is playing in the background, now i dont know if youve ever played elden ring or got into the lore but i would love to see you cover other games as well, elden ring seems like an easy choice since it has one of the richest worlds, however the games not as popular anymore so maybe not

ALSO, the design on Kevin's torso matches the domain murals in genshin

Well...Basically I think the same. And I add something interesting. The 4th shade is Seelie. See the book before the sun and the moon, when it talks about the tree metaphor. The king needed to cut down the tree more heavenly power. The king there is Phanes. The gardener Dains. He took advice from a priest (possibly Isthar/Rukadevata new Sansara after the death of the moons). She said to cut the branch that she would be born in 500 years (just like Sakura in Inazuma). I believe that the Seelie (which means soul) was the 1st tree spirit Irminsul and Phanes needs her power to regenerate himself or the newly created humanity. Only the shadows would have the power to connect to Irminsul.Seelie would be number 1, but we don't know her whereabouts, if she really lost her memories or if that meant having a new sansara without the memories of her previous life. Rukadevata became the new spirit tree guardian, and tree spirit, which previously belonged to Seelie and Dains (branch guardian). She being a shadow explains why they got married in the lunar palace, in the presence and blessing of the moon sisters/ shadows. Then the moons fought. Why? Did the love between Seelie and Dains inspire one of them not to hand over the kingdom to the other, hoping to see the morning stars? (In the myth of the Norns, each is responsible for handing over the thread of one person's life destiny to another. Maybe that means not handing over the reigns to someone else. Perhaps Dains' curse was the fact that one of the moons (Asmodeus corrupted with the power of the abyss and influenced by Phanes not passing the thread of destiny to his sister who should create the cycle of death, leaving him in an immortal body forever. The other two moons They fought Asmodeus, and Istaroth died, being reborn as Ruka and Paymon having his power reduced. I believe that Aether and Lumine are the reincarnation of Phanes, since Paymon in the ars Goethia is faithful to Lucifer/ Phosphorus/ Eosphorus/ morning star, evening star/ Venus.Paymon was never unfaithful to the traveler, because the traveler is Lucifer/Aether sky, air, void and Lumine Light. In the myth Ether is Hemera's brother. Hemera is the guardian of the abyss world. Perhaps Asmodeus in his right mind sent Aether to sleep in an attempt to save him and his corrupted part led her to the abyss. The interesting part is that Khraun-Arya alludes to Arya, one of the three moons, and perhaps in the past it was the goddess that the people of the moonlight forest worshiped, and she was the cause of their destruction. I believe that the relationship between Kaenriah and the gods broke down due to of King Irwin who perhaps found in unknown power a way to live apart from the gods.Another interesting fact. Aether is very reminiscent of Otto Apocalypse and Lumine Bianka. Otto's dream is to revive Kaleen and he watched Dvalin through the tree. Kevin was at sea quanta, and if you look at the divine keys, the power that Skirk brought is very reminiscent of the key that opens black holes, and the person who used it in the previous era was Eden/Gold. And another key is that of creation, which could be the pearl of genesis that Otto seeks. Eden/Gold was the leader of the project that sought to stop Kevin if he went too far, and K.K knows the travelers. It would be interesting if in the multiverse the twins were clones of Otto and Bianka sent by Otto in search of the pearl, and when Kevin seeks a place where the Honkai power could be defeated and the people could live.

Although I don't think at the very end it IS Kevin, its possible you couldn't be too far off. After the events of the end of Hi3 part 1, the next few stories are all about Stigmas ending up in other bubble universes. It could be possible that it was a Stigma created in Kevin's image since we know that Genshin is a known bubble universe in the world of Hi3.

i know this isnt fully related but listening to you talk about Dain makes me hope his boss fight plays out like Gehrman from Bloodborne... a final confrontation with our guide in a field of white flowers

I just want to know what the pyro archon and sovereign is gonna do next.

My bluetooth headset crashed on the word penitence, just kept repeating it. Kinda spooky lol

I love this theory so much. But could Irminsul have been created or least, related to the Dendro Dragon, Apep? If so, Nahida and Rukha's vessels having elf ears would fit perfectly.

This isn’t a prediction , this is a spoiler! Hope you had fun , goodbye! BEAUTIFULLY DONE! I LOVED THAT PART! 😂😂 , I’m very glad I found your channel.

does that mean that fontainians went from not human to more human than any other humans in teyvat? because of normal humans are made of alien ingredients then when Neuvi turned them all into real humans using the power that was of this world, doesn't that make them less alien than everyone else? (and therefore more human?)

Bro really cooked this time

You had me at sun pearl

"Or is it?” is going to haunt my dreams 😂

You joke about The Rooster being a dragon but it isn't that farfetched if we look at the History of The Hoyoverse. Case in point Fu Hua and more specifically her gene donating beast Garuda. Now if we go by the ever more obvious assumption that Genshin is going to eventually get into the topic of the war between Quantum and Imaginary (which is essentially what Abyssal and Celestial are) as well as The Multiverse even deeper than it already has then that'll mean other concepts also apply. So in Honkai Fu Hus is the ORIGIN of Phoenix myths, when she became a MANTIS after recieving Genes from Garuda she became truly immortal and basically just heals as fast as she takes damage (when she's in her most powerful form anyway) but even in her normal state she'll just revive eventually even if she is killed. But she also has to remove memories and store them in a divine key called "Fenghuang Down" because the Human mind was just never meant to exist that long A side effect of Using her most powerful form though was that she gained a subconscious uncontrollable hatred for EVERYTHING Honkai related beyond even what was there before which included Allies using it to fuel their powers and even herself so it was kinda "sealed away" (she later gets it back but thats not important right now) Cycling back to Garuda is that although Fu Hua is bird themed and fire bird specifically, Garuda it's self was classified as a Dragon. We've never actually seen what Garuda looked like but this BUT we do know of at least one Bird like Dragon, Dvalin, he has feathers and everything and Dvalin is confirmed to not be originally from Teyvat. Also related to this is another Flame Chaser called Mobius who's battlesuit is called "Infinate Ouroboros". She's also functionally Immortal in that whenever she's killed she just "sheds" her old form and is reborn slightly younger. Her beast is also a giant Snake name dropped as Sesa (Shesha) There's also Benares who in their true form is your typical European dragon in a Black, White and Blue colour scheme. At one point she gained a core upgrade from The Herrcher Of The Void (who The Unknown God is based on, though technically a different one) that gave her a human form called Bella...and who looks suspiciously similar to Skirk.

What if Alice is related to the sovereign like they’re descended from generations or something. 😂

You can be a descendor and human right? No one ever thinks that it’s always powerful god like beings.

I am Kokoconfused - too much information! But it is good information, great video! RIP my Genshin elves 😭 Hmmm...given all of Hoyo's convolutedness is there a chance of Kokomi being a dragon as well? 🥺🥺🥺

This explains why Chongyun and Layla are "cursed", there's probably something going on with the cryo dragon (Pulcinella ???) That makes everyone who has dragon dna and is cryo related hace curse

*clap*standing ovation* this theory is really really good

Very nice video. I agree that PO could be dragon and khaenriahs could be from seelie race. Therefore unusual shape of eyes. I even have my theory, that Deshret and Nabu Malikata had child, who we know as king Irmin, because Deshret very much related to Khaenriah, but he couldn't be Irmin (Apepe ate his body). So maybe his son is Irmin but Deshret is Sinner (like his consciousness was sealed in purple crystal by Rukkhadevata)? Beside we still dont know how Deshred and Nabu Malikata looks like. Why Hoyo hiding it from us? But i have problem with theory that Dainsleif is third descender. All because of his khaenriahs eyes. He cant be ancestor of seelies and third descender in same time. Beside Traveler has ordinary eyes, Neuvilette do not have specific khaenriahs eyes. Therefore Dainsleif most likely is not third descender or dragon. But i agree that here is something special with him. Unless - third descender was seelie from who all seelies arose? We dont know anything about origin of seelies, but it couldnt be either because seelies most likely already was on Teyvat before PO created human realm. Seelies built their palaces in Dark sea (Book: A Drunkard's Tale). Why? Unless Dark sea region was normal land safe for living in this time. So for me everything is very incomprehensible regarding Dain. About Alice. I think she is very close to PO and much more something else as it shown to us, because how else she could maintain borders of Teyvat, freely move to other worlds, communicate with us from who knows where, avoid Irminsul alterations etc? It also related to Nicole. How she can speak with us from who knows where, maintain invisibility, avoid Irminsul alterations ect? For me it all looks like they are at some station outside of human realm and working with some program or so to do all this. For me Alice is like technical employee to maintain functionality of human realm shell and maybe even functionality of Irminsul. Just think about what Alice can do. It is insane!!! Nobody else can do what she doing. So most likely she is not native to Teyvat and was created by PO for specific functions.