That’s because navigate on openpilot has never worked and hasn’t got any better at all since it was introduced. It’s embarrassing to show all the fails most of us don’t use it at all

Exactly, I'd love to buy it. Especially because it's open source code and I can modify it. This way I can replicate their systems and make a small machine that would autimatically navigate around towns

I could not agree more with you, my main goal with these videos are so that we can look back later in the future and see the progression that openpilot has made. openpilot is definitely behind FSD beta, Tesla has the fleet+hardware advantage, and has more engineers, while comma's smaller team needs to develop a system that can work with many different manufacturers. Regardless, I too cannot express just how exciting it is to see the power of ML and self-driving unfold right before our eyes!

haha it's a small world, i live nearby so I'm sure we've probably passed each other at some point! The Ioniq 5 is quite capable with openpilot, should be better if not on par with the Sonata. You can always purchase a comma three, and return within 30 days if you don't like it! (although I'd maybe wait a little because it seems like comma might release a version with a red panda sometime in the near future, eliminating the need for a can-fd kit). And thank you, I really appreciate it! Excited to make more videos on openpilot!

@@jacyy what does the can_fd kit do?

definitely not in the same league, but exciting to see a third party solution to crappy first party systems

Yea for sure.. But hold in mind that FSD upgrade on a Tesla does cost around 10x of what this system costs. Hopefully this pushed us closer to having proper competition to bring those higher prices down.

I believe steering torque is a limitation of the specific vehicle not the device. Tesla doesnt have this problem since they control the complete vehicle and software.

​@@ccibinelComma has certainly modified firmware of some vehicles in order to give Openpilot the desired level of steering torque, such as on Honda vehicles for example. Gets trickly when safety and reliability is involved, of course. Again, open source can help out a lot here, for good evolution over time.

A little bit of both. Steering torque is always limited by the LKAS messages that the manufacturers set in place. For Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars, the LKAS EPS torque is actually quite high, more so on CAN-FD cars, but openpilot does not currently use all of it. Panda limits the steering torque to 3Nm (this Sonata can supposedly exceed that), based on comma's testing, so that the wheel cannot randomly jerk. There were some talks about low-speed torque (blog.comma.ai/taco-bell/#ev6-blinkers-and-low-speed-torque), but there hasn't really been more work on it yet (I think they're prioritizing better driving models at the moment), but in theory there's more room for improvement here. This of course changes with different cars/brands.

@@jacyy thanks for the reply. That makes me hopeful. Probably a good choice to play it safe with the torque for now

Yea I also have a 2018 camry

That has been questioned a lot, but the simple answer is no. The steering system is already electrically powered and outputs higher torque when you’re manually steering the wheel. openpilot uses existing lane-keep messages from the manufacturer, which typically is a lot lower than what the motor is rated for. I waited 24hours after mounting for the VHB to cure, following the VHB curing guide by 3M. Higher ambient temperatures can reduce curing time!

If it moves, it wears. The question is does it wear out? It shouldn’t wear out any faster than manual steering. Try turning your wheels with the vehicle off. You will notice how difficult it is to turn your wheels. That will show you that the electric power steering is doing all of the work when you manually steer you’re more or less telling the power steering motor which direction to turn the wheels. When you turn your vehicle on and notice how easy the steering is, you’ll be convinced that you are not assisting the power steering in any meaningful way. You could argue that the open pilot moves your steering wheel less. From what I’ve noticed people make more minor adjustments to stay in the lane than OP does. It would probably take five years or so to inspect the wear and tear of a vehicle driven manually vs OP as much as possible. If the OP vehicle had less wear and tear, I wouldn’t be surprised.

little late but, it does outperform most stock systems. Something to keep in mind when thinking about capabilities is that openpilot is completely e2e, which means it knows how to drive without explicit rules. For example, stock systems need lane lines, while openpilot will use its best judgement based on what it sees and what it’s been trained on to drive without needing lane lines. I can’t really give you a clear yes/no answer, because everyone’s experience is different. What I would suggest you do is purchase a device, and return within 30 days if you’re not satisfied. comma has a fantastic no questions asked return policy to let you try openpilot out.

The entire video was shot with Experimental Mode enabled. (required for navigate on openpilot).

Old terminology, thanks for reminding me to update it! As long as your 2019 Sonata has SCC (adaptive cruise), it should be supported with openpilot! It doesn't look like it supports experimental mode though, but you should definitely join the Discord and ask around there.

Mounted onto the sunroof! I use a GoPro because it’s lightweight, and have digital stabilization disabled on the camera. I do all of the stabilization in final cut. Without it, the footage is a little shaky

Works on my 2022 Bolt EUV. After the newest update on 6/18.

I switched to the sunny pilot fork and that has done the trick.

On highways, openpilot can drive pretty much without a disengagement. City streets are challenging atm because it involves knowing how to accelerate/brake depending on its surroundings, whereas on the highway, it just needs to follow a lead car if there is one. openpilot makes road tripping on highways extremely easy, and supersedes Hyundai’s system.

​@@jacyyjust bought the 2024 Mazda cx90 phev and every year we drive from San Francisco to Las Vegas. Just drove the car there last month, after owning it for 2 weeks. I used radar cruise control pretty much the entire way to there and back. If my car has land centering, it would make the long drive so much easier. I am definitely getting the comma 3 for freeway driving. I'm very impressed! Wish there a version to have this work using the stock screen, but I'm sure that will be an option the future.

​@@jacyy is it significantly better than the system that Hyundai already has?

I used openpilot’s replay tool to record, but a simpler way is just to use this tool: github.com/nelsonjchen/op-replay-clipper It does require a bit of setup though. If that’s too challenging, I believe you can use Replicate (read the README), but it will be paid.

It’s definitely supported, however, there are 2 prerequisites to using experimental mode on Hyundais. 1) need to be running a master-based branch (master-ci ideally, cannot use release3), and 2) toggle on openpilot longitudinal control (Alpha) first, then enable experimental mode after. Join the Discord! Lots of people who can help you get going.

So the answer to this is a bit complicated. Some of the issues in the video are more model issues, where the turn planning is not quite there yet; but at the same time, low speed torque can be improved on the Sonata. You can read more into this in comma’s taco run: blog.comma.ai/taco-bell/#ev6-blinkers-and-low-speed-torque

@@jacyy thank you so much for answering, and you did it so quickly! Thanks for letting me know, have a great night!

⁠@@jacyydo you modify about torque code?coz my steering turn too early…I’m not sure does it model issue?

@@s70160 No I don’t touch the code involving steering. I think the issue with turning too early might just be a model problem. But I’m not too sure.

It’s open source code, so if you’re willing to figure it out; it’s free. Otherwise, you need to subscribe to comma prime ($16/mo for lite (BYO SIM), $24/mo for full).

Models have continued to improve, but overall, I'd say it's still about ~90% the same. Waiting for the day a dramatic model change comes along. Regardless, the C3 was still one of the best products I've purchased to date.

BSM that some cars have. (Side radars.) It's not a perfect system, the driver still must be attentive.

Install this branch and it should just work!: github.com/commaai/openpilot/tree/enable-nav-features

@@jacyy this no longer exist.

@@MrKenstea It's merged into master!

@@jacyy so, ready for 0.9.3?

​@@jacyycan you post url to install for all us newbies PLEASE. I want to unleash my c3s full potential

On the Sonata, no, unfortunately factory AEB needs to be disabled when op ACC is on.

Thanks for the reply. No AEB is a pity.@@jacyy

In experimental mode, openpilot uses the two front facing cameras on the comma three (wide/narrow cams). It doesn't use radar!

T-Mobile has a great plan for data only, $10/mo for 30GB of high speed data, and 256Kbps unlimited thereafter. I pay for this + comma prime lite ($10). You don’t really need to purchase any data, but I do it because it allows me to take snapshots pics while the car is parked and I’m away

@@jacyy Thanks very much for your response. What is the device in your passenger side of the window just to the right of the camera cover? Does it have anything to do with Openpilot?

Just a standalone dashcam that I installed, has nothing to do with the car nor openpilot!

GoPro Hero 9 mounted to my pano roof!

I primarily use stock openpilot. The code is open source, so if you can figure it out, you can use navigate on openpilot for free. Otherwise, you need to subscribe to comma prime to get access to navigate on openpilot!

@@jacyy I'm not paying the 25 a month to subscribe . Can't find a benefit for the navigate part yet

It's it not free for two months?

@@jeffbeckley8899 if u have a new device u get a one month trial for free

On my phone using the comma connect website. You can only select cached destinations or favorited destinations on the device

@@jacyy Is that part of the comma Prime subscription thing? Or free?

Even Tesla's FSD isn't magic around city streets. These automated driving assistants are really helpful for long road trips and for the most part just a toy feature elsewhere.

L2 system, so it’s not 100% full self driving

I believe it’s $1,299+tax including the harness!

It’s centered! The camera housing in the car is actually off-centered

Software is free! You can use openpilot on a comma 3x for $1,250: comma.ai

openpilot (no space) is the software. comma 3x is the hardware.

hit or miss at the moment

pun intended? 🤣@@jacyy

That's not how openpilot training works, fortunately. comma only trains on disengaged driving data, and even then, I don't believe that's how comma's training process works

Experimental for a reason; not ready for prime time. Main selling point for a comma three is to use it for chill driving w/ standard op long, especially with highway driving. Anything beyond that is considered experimental and not guaranteed to work well, more of a “wow” factor. Also need to remember that openpilot needs to work in conjunction with the limitations of stock ADAS systems.

@@jacyy I have 2019 Prius hybrid. With lane assist and cruise distance. For 2000$ I want to just plug it in and drive away without too much hassle. It seems like it could work well. Just not quite there yet

@@jacyy If you had to guess, how many more years until experimental becomes default?

@@rachelkarengreen99 Hmm honestly, I don't think I could accurately guess. I don't think comma wants to take this out of experimental mode until they've really got everything nailed down. We're still at the early stages of their e2e long planner, and as depicted in the video, there are still a lot of improvements to be made. But don't get me wrong, it's exciting to see all the progress, I would've never thought any of this would be attainable years ago. That being said, comma is working on their ML simulator twitter.com/comma_ai/status/1666959310310752257, which should help them improve their training and bring improvements to their end users.

@@user-xk4qv6lh5k Depends what you intend to use it for and how much you drive. If you do a lot of highway driving, this will surely be worthwhile. If you want it to drive you everywhere, well, may need to temper your expectations at the moment.

how much fsd cost again?