This actually makes a lot of sense. It would explain why his rinnegan ability was limbo clones. A shadow clone ability that is undetectable to almost anyone, including the first Hokage, making it superior to even wood clones.

This theory also makes sense narratively because its obvious that Madara was supposed to be the original end boss/final villain for Naruto. Naruto’s most iconic and used ability is Shadow Clones. Having the final boss being able to counter your main character’s most iconic ability makes it so when the main character eventually does defeat the villain its even more impressive and satisfying.

Madara being able to see thought clones has more meaning than you think. yes it means that Madara can better fight the Senju's. but it also means Madara can see through deception. which is what he is all about. not only that he "saw through the deception of the Shinobi system" but also that he didn't trust anyone to be behind him because they would deceive him. or rather, that the people around him is not who he thinks they are. yes the ability fits Madara perfectly

The "rewind" ability could be reversing time, or it could be a way to portray insane forsight. Basically based on the situation get a glimpse into a possible future, how things play out. Not only would this ability be in tune with a "seeing" ability, but also would be way less broken if you can only use it sparingly.

do i want to know Madara's MS ability? yes. do I want to know Fugaku's MS ability more? also yes

Obito’s MS ability also makes sense in the moment. He got his MS when Rin died. The MS that obito actually had can move himself in and out of the kamui dimension and allow him to apear somewhere else. He wished he could move himself to where Rin was. Kakashi’s MS makes sense because he wished he could remove Rin from his line of fire

My only argument for the time reversal MS would be that he is constantly using it. But from our perspective (that of the main characters) Madara just seems like the strongest ninja ever, that never makes a big mistake. This is why he venerates Hashirama so much, as no matter how many instances he reverts an encounter, he still loses when he runs out of chakra. Either he runs out and has to turn MS off, or he isnt looking at the action that he'd want to revert... that being anything from behind. But Yeah, his ms is probably truesight over clones.

The whole thing about reversing time is interesting, because there is another way to show someone doing this. That is showing them perfectly predicting the enemies moves and acting accordingly. See while the visualisation of things rewinding is pretty self evident as to what's happening, from an observer's POV, it'd look like that person can always react to whatever is thrown at them.

This dude should interview Kishimoto. See if even the author can answer the questions we pose to him

My theory is that Madara's MS abilities are: - *Right Eye MS* => *Truesight;* to be able to determine what's real and what's not, just like seeing through Shadow Clones just like Nick said in the video. Though not explained, I think this ability also would be able to see through invisibility for that same reason, as "only affecting Clones" seems a bit TOO specific imo. - *Left Eye MS* => *Perfect Perception;* to be able to "slow down time" and percieve his surroundings in slow motion, giving him time to maximize/perfect his perception with his basic Sharingan ability to perceive as well as time to plan his next attack etc. This would not make him able to act any quicker than his normal speed, but he'd have the time to see more, and calculate the best plan of action. This ties in with how his clashes with the Senjus were an uphill battle due to them being so versitile, skilled, and coordinated that he'd wish to be able to perceive EVERYTHING happening on the battlefield. This, while also (tied to the Right Eye MS) being able to discern who is there and plan accordingly. This would make a ton of sense in terms of conditions for acquiring the abilities, as well as explain how he's SUCH an outstanding fighter; putting the skills and feats of Hashirama REALLY into the perspective regarding the "The God of Shinobi" title Madara gave him. That he still couldn't beat Hashirama even with perfect knowledge and adaptability + the Nine-Tails. Side Note: Even how Obito manifested his (and Kakashi's) MS ability with the Kamui reflects how he felt that after seeing Rin die. He would probably want to *_not be in this world anymore._* Hence, why he got the ability to literally escape this dimmension!

I always understood Madara's sharingan ability in the storm series to be almost like a temporary fast forward. Similar to skipping ahead in time for whatever duration and being brought back in order to gain an advantage in a combat scenario. But it didn't even cross my mind that it could be an advanced form of the standard sharingan perception ability 😅.

Personally given the anime, I believe his MS ability was advanced precognition, basically a superior version of the regular sharingon. It's why he was able to fight hundreds of opponents at once.

Madara's Mangekyo ability is literally just being Madara and honestly thats way more OP than most other abilities

I hope if the minato manga does really good they will do more polls, so we could get a madara manga that tells us what his ms abilities and learn more about over characters

Very nice video. I agree. His ability to see through clones (and maybe other stuff or techniques) is totally nice since no one can do that. And i think his second ability in fact is to go back in time, but much less than the "data book' says... something like 2 or 3 seconds max AND with the drawback of being incredibly debilitating and chakra consuming even for him.

I feel like one of his eyes can see much farther forward in time than a normal sharingan, and the other eye sees backward in time. So he can detect the clone because he can rewind to which one cast the jutsu and keep track of them through to the present moment. He also keeps hinting that he "saw his victory" throughout Shippuden, but maybe he could only see as far as getting the 6paths and ten tails powers, and when he got close enough to see his defeat, he was too lost in the sauce to back down and had no choice but to give it everything he had.

I always interpreted the scene in the video game to not be him rewinding time but the ability to read the next move like a regular Sharingan just shown differently to look cooler. Like he sees Hasiramas next move and how it would hit him and then the “rewind” is cutting to where it actually happens and Madara reacting to it based on his Sharingan prediction

I lean towards madara being able to see into the future rather than rewinding time like his ms is like an eye of insight on steroids so in the game I'd say he basically saw the outcome of that particular scene and just changed his tactic it could also explain why he used izanagi at the beginning of the fight because he saw what the outcome was so he planned ahead

We know exactly how Orochimaru went about developing the curse mark. Not exactly how it's made, but where it started. Jugo. Jugo has a KKG or such that makes him go unstable and changes his appearance as he gains nature energy. Orochimaru could not obtain Snake Sage Mode, so when he discovered Jugo he exterminated and got the Curse Marks, which use Jugo's DNA to give the one with the curse mark Senjutsu, so long as they're compatible with Jugo's DNA. That's been explained already.

I think time manipulation is one of them, but I think he can only rewind time/a situation for a couple of seconds. I think the technique drains a lot of chakra though. I think the technique might alsi have a long cool down period similar to shisui koto justu. Madara being able to see through shadows clones sounds like a good ability as well.

Urashiki has time manipulating powers, similar to the theories of Madara's mangekyo. Urashiki is a filler anime only Otsutsuki. He would simply rewind time whenever something goes wrong for him and he would use his knowledge of the near future to his advantage. Like a quick save, except he cannot go back too far as he was limited. In the arc when Urashiki goes back in time (using a turtle that is also time machine) to steal Kurama from a baby Naruto, Boruto and Sasuke intervene with the time travelling process and they all land in the past when Naruto was 12 and protected by Jiraiya. It was Jiraiya who figures out Urashiki uses time travel as a quick save for his attacks. Jiraiya countered Urashiki by forcing him to constantly time travel into an area with poisonous gas that Urashiki is unsuspecting of, which causes him to eventually get hurt after constant gas attack. It's been a while since I last saw that arc, but I don't remember what happened to the turtle. Time travel is real and no one uses it. Naruto also time travelled in a movie this one time and he met Minato and a younger Kakashi. Every instance of time travel has been filler but it's strange to just casually introduce a broken mechanic that can solve every problem. Toneri is a canon character but was frozen in time by Urashiki, who is a non-canon character, which means Urashiki no longer non-canon since Urashiki is the canon reason as why Toneri doesn't interact with Boruto anymore. Time is constantly manipulated using space time jutsu. Kamui, flying raijin, and Izanami all manipulate time. The manipulation of gravity affects space. It doesn't seem too far fetched for someone to use chakra for time travel, by developing a jutsu or a whole time machine that is powered by chakra, since chakra can be used as a tool to manipulate space, time and reality. Time travel should have never been introduced. It breaks so many rules and gets rid of all the stakes. The only people who make sense to have this ability would be the dead spirit spirit of Hagaromo from the Pure Lands with Infinite Chakra, other than that, no one should have it.

We might get Fugakus mangekyou sharingans ability in the Minato manga

The madara freezing time on certain people makes sense because when fighting the shinobi alliance he literally stopped one opponent before they swung their sword

Nick, I think his MS ability is was the ability to control the the tailed beasts & I agree with you on the being able to detect clones. I think you hit it on the nail on the head!

Madara, Izuna, Kagami, and Fugaku are definitely the Uchiha I want to learn about as far as MS goes

The sharingan can perceive things in real time, able to notice small changes to determine a person's next action. However, Madara could see things before they happened, so I think one of his Mangekyou abilities is to see up to four minutes into the future instead of rewinding time. As for his other one, I would agree that sensing the difference between clones and reality makes perfect sense. So one of his eyes gives future sight while the other gives truesight, as he was also able to identify things he shouldn't have from a simple glance, such as Naruto being Kurama's Jinchuuriki.

You didn't mention it but Obito's MS ability also illustrates how the ability is a reflection of the user's desires. He can take people to a place where nothing can ever hurt them :(

You made a video about Gojo vs sukuna? I love clicking on a naruto video and getting JJK spoilers!

*Clicks on video* Nick: _You're not dealing with the average Naruto fan anymore_

Gonna be completely honest, that's actually amazing and not surprised someone like madara would have such a cool and powerful ability

I like this one never thought of it. Was thinking that there needs to be an extra step in the ms ability though, i don’t think it can be what you want out of necessity. Madara could have awakened this true sight because of his conflicting duties at war and friendship with hashirama, emotionally he wanted to distinguish friends from foes and of course that is subjective so ms manifests as true sight. Would be a bit more in line with the other users wishes and abilities i think

I always just figured it was advanced foresight that can go at least a good number of seconds beyond what a normal Sharingan can offer and the ability to see through Jutsu in general, making it ideal for seeing through clones but also helping him understand how to perfectly counter a Jutsu upon sight, should it be within his capability to counter said jutsu

Huh, interesting how the seeing through clones ability also then became (kinda) Limbo clones. The strongest unseeable clones. Being Madara's unique rinnegan ability. Like you've said before in the recent Boruto chapter review how an MS ability is manifested by the person at the time even if they later change then that could possibly be why Sasuke's Rinnegan ability isn't related to destruction or burning down the world etc. he had changed enough.

Ok so after doing a lil research I believe Sadara’s MS is based off of the goddess “Amanozako” who in Japanese folklore is the daughter of “Susanoo” and the reason why she is immune to Eida is because Amanozako is immune to all poisons ailments and charms, but also I’m thinking her MS might give her either a Time Manipulation kinda like Madara’s and a possible Full Counter like Meliodas from 7 deadly sins

Actually time stopping ability has some evidence in the manga, just before he stabbed Sasuke in the chest, Sasuke was free falling towards Madara, but he went into a complete stop and was still held up mid air as if time itself has stopped around him, many assume this was limbo but limbo can't make Sasuke completely paralyzed as he was in this instance.

So i saw a video that said his right eye memorizes attacks, and his left eye rewinds time to deflect those attacks. I think we saw in a episode of naruto where an attack is coming at Madara and he says something on the lines of "That caused too much damage" Not that WOULD cause too much damage but that it DID and the attack hadnt hit him yet. This was him tanking the hit and it cause too much damage for his edo tensei to regenerate quick enough to fight back, and then him rewinding time to deflect the attack instead. This would also explain why they showed madaras eye moving so fast when he was getting bombarded in the beginning of the war, this couldve been him memorizing every single attack and rewinding time to deflect them all

I actually like the limbo clones being his MS ability. Would be a good reflection of the type of person Madara was. He WOULD rather create near-perfect clones of himself to protect him then have someone else protect. Also could be tied into how he got his MS, and how he got his EMS very nicely.

I actually like that theory of yours a lot. It makes sense, more so when you think about the limbo clone ability he gained later with the Rennigan, which you discussed earlier in the video. The Sharingan ability let him see through shadow clones & the Rennigan ability let him use a more advanced version of the ability that only he can counter.

Madara did get hit by the meteor so the Susanoo wasnt there to protect him. He even stated to Kabuto that they would be fine since they were reanimated......I always seen it as he used Susano to call down 1 while he called down one himself as well....which is why there were 2

The detail about MS abilities being a reflection of the desires of the person obtaining them at the time of obtaining them basically just makes them Jojo stand powers without the "body" of the stand. Stands in Jojo have a strong tendency of following that same theme; Jotaro has a tendency of freezing up when in danger, not out of fear but so that he can analyze the situation and figure out the optimal strategy for survival and victory. Therefore, he can freeze time with Star Platinum, which enables him to make these calculations instantly as well as begin doing something about the danger before his opponent has a chance to react. Josuke obtains his stand later into his life after the incident that would inspire it, but as a child he was once very sick and was inspired by a high school delinquent who selflessly risked his life for his and his mother's sake, and came to borderline worship the guy despite knowing nothing about him other than his outfit and hairdo. As such, modeling himself after the guy as entirely as possible, he develops the stand Crazy Diamond which allows him to heal others or even restore that which is broken back to it's fixed state. If Jojo characters were Uchiha's in the Narutoverse, their stand powers would probably translate to being their MS powers.

in the cutscene it seems madara needs to set where to rewind to he cant just decide to rewind time he needs to activate the abillity than after a while his eyes starts spinning and time reverses to that point atleast thats what happens in the game cutscene so madara couldnt reverse his death because he didnt activate it before getting stabbed by zetsu the stopping time thing is definetly not real tho

Madara has two MS abilities: - Future Sight / Rewind - Hyper Perception Future sight requires direct eye contact with the target and Cannot be used after the fact. Thus no plot holes in both deaths. Hyper Perception is what gives him unparalleled taijutsu and could be used to distinguish clones. Both of these abilities are extension to the Sharingan. The conversation with Sasuke is evidence in favor of this; As Madara states that Sasuke’s base Sharingan abilities achieved the maximum Evolution; the basic Sharingan abilities of Madara's eyes are passed that level. Lore wise these two abilities are what one needs the most to fight the all-powerful Senjus. To analyze their myriad of Jutsus to counter there strong bodies and speed with perception, especially that monster called Hashirama.

This makes a lot of sense. I actually thought it had to do with the fact that his clones were able to use Susanoo.

I still think the Time Theory makes a lot of sense as well tho… if his sharingan wasnt activated during his fight with Hashirama as well as him thinking he had Hashirama grounded and near death… how/why would he reverse time ?

I feel like madaras ms ability would be something that fits his personality like the perception of truth to see which is a lie, fake, which has deception because he was friends with kid hasirama and probably felt cheated or tricked when he learned he is senju and had to fight him. Which would go well of how he felt when he awakened his ms.

I arrived at the same conclusion while going over the time manipulation theory that his MS ability was true perception. It can also work with the game "rewinding" as sort of a analogy of him perceiving his opponents next move. True perception also explains how he took out a third of the shinobi alliance with ease as he was able to percieve all of it before they even made a move. Also if that was the case, i wonder if it would have allowed him to see through the izanagi or other more powerful genjutsu techniques as well. Like even Pain with the Rinnegan couldn't see through Jiraya's and the toad sages genjutsu, or Kakashi or Sasuke couldn't see through the Tsukoyomi. food for thought.

Honestly I think it’s as simple as Kishimoto decided on Madara’s MS ability after already writing the story. Not to mention we know for a fact that whatever his mangekyo sharingan ability is, using it deteriorated his vision until he went blind. Would seeing through clones passively make him go blind. Seems odd. An activated ability like time rewinding still makes sende

Madara's ability to identify the real person among clones fits with my impression of him. Madara is a man who has seen the cold, harsh truth of the world. His anguish in life opened his eyes to the grim nature of the shinobi world. The truth of the shinobi world is that might makes right, and all ideals and dreams of peace are simply illusions. Therefore, Madara cannot be deceived, or tricked, or lied to. He sees the real among its substitutions and replications. He is the man who sees through Hashirama, both by seeing through his deceptive techniques and seeing through the lie of unity that he is trying to sell.

Ok I’m convinced by your theory and I think the ability to detect the clones is a massively strong ability but what would be the other MS ability for Madara? Since from what I understand each eye will have a different ability

THE answer to why he didn't freeze hashirama before he dies and rip his heart out is very simple to answer, because this cannon ability wasn't created till after those events took place. simply not existing is why they were never seen.

He froze Sasuke in the anime

I really like the design of madara's eternal mangekyou sharingan

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He could very well have been rewinding time during the fight with the shinobi alliance. Remember, the story is not being told from his perspective for the most part, so we would never see the timelines where he rewinded time. Also, he can only use this ability twice per day, so it wouldn't protect him from Zetsu if he'd already used it up.

YOOO IM FIRST! KNOW ITS GONNA BE A GREAT VID WITH MADARA IN THE TITLE

I honestly think the two here are the perception that you note and the rewind that was shown in game. Not the unbelievably broken time stop but a rewind that acts over short timeframes that only effect what he has directly perceived. In that sense, one eye perceives all and the other eye predicts all as he can go back in time to undo a mistake that he has already seen. It would reflect perfectly with the straight upgrade of the sharingan as those are in fact the two key functions of the eye itself. Madara also wanted to be able to see through everything above all and that would be the way he could do it. For the record, I don't think he can undo anything he hasn't already perceived which is why he couldn't undo the strike on Izuna because he didn't see it coming beforehand, he didn't "save" that data to rewind it. He even brags to Naruto that everything is going exactly to plan right before he ripped kurama out of him, his whole plan was to be able to foresee and control everything simultaneously after all

I now hope it was the ability to perceive souls. That way it wouldn't only be clones, but also transformation Jutsus and it would even make spotting someone through Genjutsu even easier.

I just think that the reason why Madara didn't use his MS abilitys was because he thought that they weren't that usefull / he wanted to try the Rinnegan So for the most part of the war, Madara was just playing around, he was just using Basic attacks and trying out his "new toy"-the Rinnegan I think that it's possible that he has some ability in the power range of Amaterasu, He didn't use it earlier because he was not strugling and he didn't use it later because his MS abilitys were not strong enough for the 6th paths chatacters level That's what I thought about for the majority of my life

I was so frustrated that Madara hadn't shown us his ability when he actually was there 😭

Until this video I thought the sharigan had an ability to tell the difference between real and clone but after it I can definitely see how Madara’s MS ability could be to see through clones. This only raises one question, why in the land of waves arc was Kakashi able to see through Zabuza’s water clone?

you know what.... it makes sense that Madara is so good to wipe out everyone in the war because if he made a mistake he could just use his mangekyou to rewind time, but maybe that wasn't shown so to the viewers and the people getting pummeled he just looks really strong

Obito must have felt proud of his mangekyou abilities, he got a whole dimension for himself, he could teleport and turn intangible, i imagine Madara being mad when he saw he could do all this stuff 😂

Madara's primary MS ability could be as simple as a power up, amplifying his chakra, strength and ninjutsu. His secondary ability could be the perception buff spoken about here, which lets him react better and see through clones. The MS abilities tend to reflect the deepest desires of the wielder in some way, and Madara's desire up until he was manipulated by Zetsu and taken off course seems to have been to become the strongest in battle. One ability that buffs his stats in battle, another to counter his one and only rival who likes to use wood clones. It makes perfect sense.

Don't mind me I'm high. Is he saying Chewbacca Tensei?

Personally, rather than just the ability to see through Clone techniques, I'd say it's more likely that he has a more complete kind of "True Sight" common in other fictions. The ability to see the Truth of things. It would allow him to see clones as clones, because that is the clones Truth. It would also allow him to see through any other kind of deception technique, and in my opinion would also explain how he supposedly beat Mu, someone who could literally not be detected by anyone else when his technique was active. Whether it allowed him to tell when someone was lying or not is up in the air, but I like the idea that he got the ability to see the Truth of things, in a very much conceptual way.

MS ability of Madara's first eye = clone detection MS ability of Madara's second eye = still a mystery

So, I have to add my lil bit. What I think happened was, that Kishimoto did not want to reveal Madara´s MS, becouse he wanted to let us specualte. However when they told him that they need a Madara MS ability, he thought: "How about giving him one that only he can see?" We do not see that ability used since he already did and wiped it out of everyone´s memories. We aren´t looking at the world thru the eyes of Madara, so how could we know? We could also say that his brother had the ability to see what is a clone and what is not. "Why didn´t he stop Tobirama when he killed his brother?" He tried. Infinite speed isn´t something you can get before tho. He also may have used it before. Like he can use it once a week or something. "Why didn´t he used it against black Zetsu?" MIght guy. Maybe he used it to move his body 2cm to the side so he would survive. I do not think that the page is real. That would be wrong. "Why did he get time travel?" "Only if I was 2cm to the side, I wouldn´t have lost to Hashirama" "Only if I could have dogged that kunai" ect. Thank you for reading.

My Personal Headcanon is that Madara's MS ability is to open a portal to Kishimoto's office and press the Delete Button.

if u look closely to that page of Madara u can see that the background image of the Madara drawing is just a copy and paste from page (58-61 cant remember) so its clearly something a person made up in order to deepfake his ability to rewind time. The game itself isn't fully classed as cannon as well, we cant fully say that every cutscene in the game is meant to be cannon so the clone ability in his MS makes a lot more sense as it is cannon rather than having time manipulation as his MS abilities.

yall shouldnt be questioning orochimaru until yall find out how humans made tools without tools

The ability to stop someone in time is actually shown when he’s fighting the shinobi alliance. There was a random shinobi about to slash downward with a sword and Madara flashes his sharingan at him and the guy just freezes. I’m sure everyone, including me, thought he was just frozen in fear, but it actually fits perfectly with the data book entry now.

I think madara had the god of time abilities but like you said, was only given a certain number of uses a day (2/day). In the events you described, it was during cutscenes sure but there's assumed to have been great battles before those exact shown moments so he wasn't able to use his abilities in your described times because he already used up his limit and was unable to use it again that day.

Who's your predecessor?

In Episode 130, Sasuke claims to use sharingan to be able to tell what shadow clone was the original body. This is right after the line 10 times 0 is still 0. This leads me to believe that this ability is just a not often mentioned base ability of the sharingan not an MS ability.

If madara could rewind time, he effectively has the ability to use izanagi twice a day.

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30:26 We know what Madara wanted when he was unlocking his MS. Yeah he tells us. He wanted to see through Hashirama's heart. "did my message reach you", etc. So in simple thematic continuity, the reason why Madara is able to see through clones is because he "sees the real you". And when his MS failed, he miscalculated who "the real Hashirama" was in terms of how far he was willing to protect the village. MS abilities come in pairs plus a Susanoo. So the paired ability, following the theme, would be one of the following: - the ability to "show his true heart". That is, the eternal tsukuyomi, where he is able to directly project his thoughts into other people's dreams. - or the ability to "hide his true self", which is the essence of Limbo, his clone in the darkness.

Madara is basically Naruto's version of JoJo's King Crimson

Yooo your right madara said “his visual prowess was the thing that made him the only Shinobi who could see through Hashirama’s “ruse” or wood clone Jutsu”

Damn, detect clones and limbo, 2 abilities above Otsutsuki level. That's wild, same with Kamui.

Madara held being one’s true self in high regard, ‘show me your guts’ so he literally had MS that sees through the bullsheep.

To be fair, if madara was using time abilities we wouldnt notice since it wipes characers memories.

This also applies to Shisui who just wanted people to do the right thing and live peacefully, even if they didn't want to.

Love hearing the phrase "Madara's MS". I dont immediately think of Mangekyo Sharingan, I think of Multiple Sclerosis. I just goggle thinking about Madara, in private, has Multiple Sclerosis and has to take care of it like an old man

Madara also says "Since this is the REAL Naruto, I won't hold back" in the War Arc during supporting your idea of him being able to see the difference between the actual person versus the clone

Also when Madara pulled up on Naruto, Kakashi, bee and guy, he knew which Naruto was a clone. Was always suspicious to me. But I always thought he was just that smart.

I thought it was going somewhere else when you said, "Madara loved Hashirama, not only as a friend but as a"

The first time I saw the anime, looked at the game cut scenes and the data pages after, my thoughts were that he did have the time reversal/manipulation abilities, though this theory might have some holes in it, my first thoughts were that he purposely handicapped himself and did not use them in the war. When Obito revived Madara, he said "Finally I'll be able to fight for real" following with "It's just not a battle without raging blood and a pounding heart". Since Madara found joy in battle, he wanted to fight more. That's why he rushed to Hashirama and challenged him on the battlefield, when they both were reincarnated, but Hashirama said he'll deal with him later, because they were fighting the ten tails at the moment if I remember correctly or something like that. The only time Madara used time abilities was when he battled Hashirama back in the old days. He used them becasue he was losing, tried to save himself, manipulate the outcomes of some attacks or moments and etc. But did not use any time abilities in the present war, because he knew that reincarnated Hashirama was weaker, he had also stolen some of his cells and had awakened the Rinnegan. Though this theory does have some holes in it, like, why wouldn't he use any of those abilities when Zetsu backstabbed him? maybe he couldn't, but then, why wouldn't he use it against Naruto and Sasuke. I think he mentioned somewhere that he enjoys to battle or loves to experience battle or something like that, might be that ending everything instantly would just not be satisfying for him. Also another hole would be, how did Hashirama counter both freezing and reversing time back in the old days when they fought. Countering the time reversal is still possible, since Hashirama was a very skilled shinobi, maybe he switched to defense mode mid attack in those moments, or tanked some of the damage, but freezing for two minutes would most likely be impossible to counter. The only thought comes to mind is sage mode, since not much is known about Hashiramas one, just that it boosts the users stats pretty much, but if it had some strong power like that to counter time stop, that would most likely be too overpowered and probably used in the present in some way. The fact that Madara was that strong and had such insane techniques, like the Majestic Destroyer Flame, which needed like hundreds of water users to stop it, or having so much knowledge about a lot of things. Like when Kabuto was defeated, every reincarnated shinobi was returning back, but Madara was the only one who knew the hand sings to reverse it, and since the kage were surprised, they might had no idea that that is even possible. There might be a possibility that Madara battled a lot of people throughout his life using time abilities and to gain access to different things, locations, knowledge and also perfecting his techniques. Though fighting low/mid level shinobi would probably not do much or give much battle experience, might just be some basic limit testing. But access to knowledge might be good. All the other theories might be true as well, can't be a 100% sure, having no information. Though it's interesting to theorize and explore different theories, these were my first thoughts after seeing the anime and all other things.

On the topic of the time manipulation theory (because I love playing devil’s advocate on stuff 🤣): •Point 1. Madara’s first death was at the hands of Hashirama, at which point he was totally gassed and likely didn’t have enough chakra left to run his MS (I imagine controlling the flow of time would be a rather chakra-intensive ability). His freezing-time ability wouldn’t have really been all that useful either in this fight, given how there really wasn’t much he could do to Hashirama in that time frame that he couldn’t have healed from. The risk would’ve been too great to sacrifice one of his two get-out-of-jail-free cards per day. His second death was from old age after unhooking himself from the Gedo Statue, rewinding 4 minutes isn’t going to help much there and he did it willingly anyway, but you already covered that. His third death was from being fisted by Zetsu, and it was rather evident he was paralyzed by this (he said so himself), but he also didn’t use any other abilities to try to free himself. This leads me to believe that he couldn’t; maybe Zetsu was screwing around with his chakra network, I don’t know. But once all of the planet’s chakra started flowing into him, there’s no way he’d be able to control chakra well enough to do anything with it. •Point 2. One could argue that the reason we never saw Madara’s time manipulation, was because we never really saw the world from Madara’s perspective until after he absorbed the Ten Tails and started relying completely on his Rinnegan; we only saw it from the view of everyone else around him, whose memories could’ve been manipulated by him to not be aware of the change according to this theory. That said, we DID see one strange ability from Madara: at the moment he dealt a fatal wound to Sasuke, Sasuke was dropping towards him to attack but suddenly was frozen in place in the air, completely immobilized. I don’t believe it was ever explained what that ability was, but it perfectly lines up with Madara’s theorized second MS ability of freezing time.

Maybe madras did use his time god ability, but kishimoto erased our memory of it too.

If you play D&D, you know just how broken Truesight is from a technical standpoint (and how difficult it is to get) so it actually makes a lot of sense that Madara would have it.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how Madara froze Sasuke in the air before 🔪 him? I remember in the amime Sasuke froze with a small hexadecimal pattern for a split second. I almost fell for the freezing people in place for a few seconds theory. It wasn't limbo because Limbo has never been shown to freeze someone, it wasn't a genjutsu because Madara was blind...and Sasuke's EMS could've seen through it. I'd love to know, thank you!

13:57 "and if that sounds broken to you already-" That's because it is. So is every MS ability (Except Shin Uchiha's) deal with it.

I think it would make sense if his MS abilities were basically enhancements to the sharingan's base abilities by several orders of magnitude higher than any other dojutsu. Like his eye of insight MS ability is perception so enhanced he can spot the difference in clones and predict movements even further ahead of any other sharingan user, like not just seeing the next move but the next 12 moves ahead, while his eye of hypnotism ability was like the super subtle genjutsu Kakashi used against Zabuza but amped up to a much higher level, a reverse kotoamatsukami where it can only slightly push you towards an choice you might have made without it's influence, ie it can't make you kill yourself or switch sides but it could make you dodge an attack to the right instead of to the left if there isn't any obvious danger to your left, but neither the victim or any outsider could ever tell it happened.

Know I'm a month late but that scene we saw in Generations, I'm pretty sure was Madara just using his natural Sharingan ability to perceive the outcome of the next moment and calculating what is his best possible choice in order to get the best outcome. He wasn't rewinding time, but just using the natural enhanced perception to see into the future, and that spinning effect was there to add more flare. That's all. But what if Madara's EMS ability isn't just to see through clones, but see through *ALL* jutsu? During the battle, Madara is only ever caught off guard when he doesn't have his EMS activated and by direct attacks, but never attacks created through jutsu or chakra enhancements of any kind. It seems that, if anyone uses a jutsu on Madara, he's able to see through it almost perfectly and without fail, that the only way to truly deceive Madara is either through last-second desperation or through direct means where you're most at risk. It makes sense to me at least.

I believe in the 3rd theory you properly explained the why, but I feel like how it will actually work is perhaps a bit overshot. I don't think Madara had the ability to "stop time" around him but rather make an object stay in place as if it's stopped by time. Evidence to when sasuke tried air ambushing Madara in the war ark yet was mysteriously stopped in midair. Not as if he's grabbed, but rather as if he is stuck in motion. As for the other eye- I think it's not re winding time, but rather ultimately probability. Sharigan improves perception and calculation but Madaras ability allows him to see what will happen at any given moment. Like garnets future vision from steven universe= not exactly 100% but seeing (actually being able to visualize) probability and selecting the best one! Hope I explained it well, thanks for making these videos NCHammer- absolutely love these topics!

Madara when fighting the kages clearly said its his visual prowess which allowed him to be the only shinobi to see through a clown

Madara is a headache to the shinobi race and us, bro has so many untold secrets that put us in limbo 😂

Can we all just appreciate the chad that hashirama was this man pulled up knowing he could manipulate time and he still bested him in every scenario, for him time is of no concern as long as you got enough stamina