Little whoopsie - looks like I mislabelled the R3 opponent on the title card. It was Alex Fennel piloting the C'tan list not a Matt Lorah spiderman meme I swear Also, lotta questions about exactly how the Round 1 redeploys work... you can check out this video for all the deets -> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pquPa7OamrLHmo0.html
@OR567 ай бұрын
"By the Star Gods, it's a monolith with a steel chair!"
@haunted_bagel7 ай бұрын
Shout out to WarGames Live for streaming this awesome event! Was a fantastic weekend of games!
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
Hell yeah - even more amazing coverage from Joe
@alkdjioe7 ай бұрын
My favorite moment from the tourney was when Matt Lorah saved the Monolith on double boxcars against the Aeldari.
@GaryP3367 ай бұрын
I hope thats not implying he cheated....@@putthebunnybackinthebox4790
@Dirtychindu7 ай бұрын
The look on both players' faces were priceless. Folger needed a full reboot after seeing the dicebox.
@lieutenantgothmog43707 ай бұрын
Dude, they were shared dice on the stream lol
@crawbag03117 ай бұрын
Even I cheered, 2000 miles away. Wife thought I was having a stroke.
@HMS_Kaiser7 ай бұрын
This is where I paused the video, asked my wife to come into the living room and explain in 5 minutes why what just happened was so wild. She does not play 40k or know anything about it. But still loves me enough to listen and nod along and tell me it's indeed cool.
@MarketResearchReading1147 ай бұрын
The monolith is a cool model, I'm glad it was useful in this list, and the list was a great one!
@misterphoenyxx51597 ай бұрын
It was a very cool list, and he ran it very well. When the Aeldari blew up his Monolith (not in the final), he didn't lose hope. He scrapped his way back to a win.
@WraithCalling7 ай бұрын
I watched a number of his games that were streamed this weekend. It was a very non-standard Necron army which threw off a lot of the game play of the other players because they were not familiar with it Matt did a great job using his army with incredible effect. I'd imagine after this weekend players will either be looking to duplicate his army or look for ways of slowing them down. The price of Necron Monoliths shot up. lol
@ajmartinidesouza14777 ай бұрын
3D printer go brrrrrr
@davidkimball52227 ай бұрын
Reminds me of what John did with his vanguard Ultramarines at WCW. Very mobile counter meta army. No doubt something similar will now happen where everyone copies the army and half the units go out of stock as a result 😂
@Jason-wh7in6 ай бұрын
Yeah after that, everyone is running vanguard etc. it’s a tricksy list but also very cp dependent too. Has to use at least one per turn to put the centurions back into deep strike. The necron one does it for free.
@thebjorn427 ай бұрын
Well played by a great player! Have all players focus on the Court and missing out how strong Hypercrypt is was a great distraction =)
@jaredreid26617 ай бұрын
A lot of players have been putting up good results with hypercrypt but its usually 50/50 with court which i think is in general a easier play style. Personally i prefer a more shooty&resilient army Vs big balls monolith back line dropping high skill ceiling. Its nice we have detachments that are playable for both.
@digitalshoes55206 ай бұрын
Necron Cryptek advisor: Your greatness, our superior firepower will overwhelm their feeble ranks clearing the way for a flanking maneuver by our Destroyer Cult auxiliaries and our Triarch spearhead will deliver the killing blow in one swift assault. Noble with robot pyramid: FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL.
@truthjustice64546 ай бұрын
Good event. Very tactical. The versatility and resilience of Nevrons on full display Since all psychic abilities/phase eliminated ( other than codex specific CP initiated effects-abilities stimulating odychic powers often-that cannit be countered) Its armies such as Necronns, Aeldari, Ynarri/Drukar, CSM were far beyond all other top teir lists aa they have the synergizing/cidex specific/uncounterabe abilities and CP regen. Hypercrypt in particularr The receht data slate diminishes CSM and Aeldari below top tier. Presently, its Necrons, Ynarri/Drukari In the top tier w/o much Opposition.
@CyberController-6 ай бұрын
Eldar: Hey, do you guys hear something?
@truckstation5277 ай бұрын
Clutch box cars on a monolith and a bad charge decision with wraith guard is what won that game
@mortenbrandtjensen64707 ай бұрын
Aeldari are such good heels these days. It takes a special kind of person to bask in that for us to enjoy.
@fateweaver97 ай бұрын
Imagine being Riley Davis and bringing your TSons to the biggest 40k tournament and seeing that Hypercrypt list in round one. I probably would have cried.
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
Imagine bringing Tsons to a tournament
@fateweaver97 ай бұрын
@TacticalTortoise Agreed. Definitely having more fun with Chaos Knights. It really didn't feel like they changed that much in the last Balance Dataslate, but it must have been just a little too much because it has been just a slog to play TSons since then.
@Jason-wh7in6 ай бұрын
My friend plays t-sons and yeah the requirement to have your units on the table top just to earn cp sucks. Like I’m usually steam rolling him by turn 3 because he has to expose his infantry and I capitalize. MVB’s are very points expensive same with Magnus. Art of War mentioned making cabal points a fixed amount vs a pool which would help keep the ritual use in check and allow t-sons to be less restrictive army building wise.
@fosterbennington64057 ай бұрын
Oddly reminds me of playing Dawn of War crons
@RobbSavag37 ай бұрын
Not screening out a monolith turn 1 is crazy
@IsacCivil7 ай бұрын
Who the fuck thinks it’s gonna drop in their back line lmaoo
@Wes-xk6hl7 ай бұрын
@@IsacCivil I think his point was you don't really have to try. How could u possibly have a hole big enough for a 6x6in model to fit in? ESPECIALLY since you're fighting this army with everything teleporting. It's a good point to bring up because it's pretty ridiculous that it happened
@cronotekk91937 ай бұрын
It’s the 3” deep strike strat that got them
@ToddGrindle7 ай бұрын
Im guessing infiltrators will stop these deep striking shenanigans just like they do inceptors... Do you think we will see an uptick in their use?
@taco13ification7 ай бұрын
Imo a little bit, but i think it will be more when armies like GSC and GK get codexes.
@cronotekk91937 ай бұрын
I’m betting everyone will be bringing at least one now lol
@wojciechprzewozniak5977 ай бұрын
Again GW started bloating the game with new rules only to be overrided by other rules.. so one need to read 2 books only to figure out afterwards that rules cancel each other... I think they will only nerf number of units to be teleported to max 2, as in most other armies up and downies limited to 2. Unless baked into datasheet like scouts, or maybe they will just employ master switch similar to "spam max 3"
@stevejennings4837 ай бұрын
Just goes to show ya...3" goes a long way (wonder how many of those jokes were made that night)
@Taylor-vy7ff6 ай бұрын
"Incredibly hard to stop" other than sufficiently screening a Monolith from your side of the field, but yeah, it's pretty good.
@joshuaelliott90447 ай бұрын
Hey at the beginning of the video you explained that the army can use deep strike when deploying in the reinforcement step of the movement phase. This is 100% supported by the FAQ and rules commentary saying if you deploy in the reinforcement step, you are treated as coming from SR, and page 2 deep strike says if you come from SR and have the DS rule that you can choose to use the DS rule. Why are there so many people who say Draigo from the grey knights cant get his charge bonus from teleport assault, which is the same as necrons, even when it's been upheld that grey knights and necrons cam deploy via deep strike as explained above?
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
Teleport Assault and Hyperphasing are NOT the same ability! Hyperphasing specifically puts a unit into Strategic reserve, which then lets it deep strike back on the table (if it has it). Teleport Assault just repositions the unit 9" away from enemies - it is neither strategic reserve nor deep strike.
@Nappetitten7 ай бұрын
So what abort warpspiders and swooping hawks. They have deepstrike and Can be put into Strategic reserve from the start of the game. Way vant they ude there deepstrike agility turn one?
@MrScumsen7 ай бұрын
Infiltrators + Phobos Lib are back on the battlefield 😂
@Giraffemini7 ай бұрын
Looks like the meta for necrons is in great spot if it really comes down to piloting the army and it being this close every time!
@ForeverAbroad7 ай бұрын
Can you explain in more detail why units with deepstrike can come in on BR 1? Normally even deepstrike units cannot arrive turn 1, so why does this bypass it? The detatchment rule simply states to remove them from the board and place into strategic reserves, where all normal reserves rules would apply and deepstrike would only change the position it can be placed?
@Clatzy5417 ай бұрын
The rule to not arrive turn 1 only applies to units that start the game in deep strike but if you have a rule that allows you to go into deep strike after the start of the game then you can come down in your movement phase turn 1. IE you go second and pick up the unit at the end of your opponent’s 1st turn to drop down in your turn 1
@ForeverAbroad7 ай бұрын
Sweet thanks@@Clatzy541
@davidkimball52227 ай бұрын
@@Clatzy541Need to find a way to get my Endless multitude gargoyles killed opponent Turn 1 so they can then be resurrected on my turn 1.😂
@mattlorah73907 ай бұрын
Thank you❤
@tlcronus7 ай бұрын
This is everything Grey Knights wish they were.
@alextherussian99337 ай бұрын
Too true. All Grey Knights need is un-killable massively under-costed C'tan models and they wouldn't lose a single game either. GW at it's finest not playing their own game.
@ghoulzz87417 ай бұрын
And now I'm terrified of the massive nerfs GW will cook for the necrons
@lukehacker25636 ай бұрын
Am I missing something? I thought you weren't allowed to stand on objective markers anymore in 10th. But in all the footage you see players with models directly on top of the center of the markers.
@musicalcharge7 ай бұрын
It makes me feel better that even one of the best players in the world can lose because they forgot to screen correctly.
@alextherussian99337 ай бұрын
Best players in the world don't play overpowered armies. Everyone is a best player with Eldar army as we have seen. Watch him switch to Necron now.
@musicalcharge7 ай бұрын
@@alextherussian9933 you might be right
@shurin71397 ай бұрын
I think you swapped the player name/list for both necrons lists but good video!
@redcorsair143 ай бұрын
Where is the rule that says innate Deep Strikers can come in turn one using this detachment? Everything I have seen says it remains a T2 thing.
@TacticalTortoise3 ай бұрын
Leviathan packet - the turn 1 restriction only applies to deep strikers that start the game in reserve
@nurglematthew8937 ай бұрын
Rockin' review.
@Nakai_the_Wanderer6 ай бұрын
Don't most mission rules prevent you from using deep strike turn 1? Did they use special missions at LVO?
@cainvaughn61546 ай бұрын
Hope BCP taking over the ITC revives the interest in it
@TheBlightspawn7 ай бұрын
Great breakdown
@rickrivers20217 ай бұрын
Does the GSC strategem that allows you to pick up units similarly allow you to drop down bottom of turn 1? (all the units you use it on have deep strike)
@sporg60027 ай бұрын
If you go second on first turn you can Return to Shadows on end of first round to let the drop on your turn
@specialmeats7 ай бұрын
he put a web cam on his monolith! I'm screaming that's so funny
@adamreid48027 ай бұрын
wow necrons are so overpowered
@sebastianmeyer80397 ай бұрын
What allowes the monolith to arrive in turn 1? Is it because of the strata or because of the fact that it was on the table in turn 1? Hypercrypt says place the units in reserves. So i have played it so that i only are allowed to bring back stuff in turn 2.
@davidkimball52227 ай бұрын
I was confused about this as well...
@nomad21267 ай бұрын
Apparently it’s written somewhere (haven’t checked myself yet but multiple people have stated it) that if it started on the table, goes into reserve at the end of your opponents first turn, it’s able to come down in your next reinforcement phase (aka your turn one) overriding deep striking units not coming in until turn 2. If it was already in reserves however, it’s only able to come in from turn 2 onwards
@sebastianmeyer80397 ай бұрын
@@nomad2126 The Leviathan rules for Reserves are the reason. They override the Core Rules. Found it.
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
Units repositioning using Deep Strike can arrive in BR1 as long as they started on the table. Stuff that begins the game in deep strike, or repositions using Strategic Reserves is still restricted from arriving in the first round.
@Nappetitten7 ай бұрын
So swooping hakkes Can do Theis aswell sinde they Can be moves into strategic reserves in the end of opponents turn
@azir647 ай бұрын
Ppl acting like this is a surprise, i have been doing this with my Custodes Terminators since month one
@eviljoshy34027 ай бұрын
Wait, you can run 3 transcendent ctan? I thought being a character meant you could only have one. That sounds broken and I'm a Necron player. Then again you can have 3 hexmarks.
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
Only Epic Heroes are restricted to one per army - most characters in the game are non-unique.
@xxofameousgxx96867 ай бұрын
So does it say in the specific army rule that units with deep strike can ignore the normal turn two deep strike rules?
@TacticalTortoise7 ай бұрын
It's in the rules commentary - units that begin on the table and reposition using Deep Strike can ignore the BR1 limit. Strategic Reserves are still limited *unless* they can deep strike.
@CataclysmgamesUk7 ай бұрын
I was very confused looking for the answer in the rules commentary, but I found this in section 8 Declare Battle Formations of the Leviathan mission pack "Reserves units cannot arrive during the first battle round and any Strategic Reserves or Reserves that have not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round count as having been destroyed, as are any units embarked within them (this does not apply to units that are placed into Strategic Reserves after the first battle round has started)." Is it the bit in the brackets that allows the turn 1 deep strike?
@xxofameousgxx96867 ай бұрын
@@TacticalTortoise so if I deploy skorpekh destroyers and a monolith then put them I do reserves after my opponent goes first. I can then deep strike my skorpekh destroyers and monolith then use the monoliths ability to move a let’s say 20 man warrior squad
@DerHody5 ай бұрын
@@TacticalTortoisewhere in the rules commentary? Couldnt find anything why its allowed when placed in reserves after start.
@Icarus_7897 ай бұрын
teleporting better than grey knight
@nicholasray37497 ай бұрын
2 things. the LOV game was alot closer that he is making it out to be. he lost cause lew charged the wrong thing and threw away his thunderkyn. the monolith didn't leave his side till turn 4. 2nd please fix these cuts my guy.
@lohikaarmeherra-17537 ай бұрын
Can any unit deep strike turn 1?
@AnonYmous-ys2if7 ай бұрын
Necrons win LVO! Better nerf Dark Angels!
@bee54407 ай бұрын
Granted, the nerf to deathwing knights was very well deserved. That unit was awful to play against
@mattiasgamin38917 ай бұрын
”Gotcha!” Winning with a new and unusual round one deepstrike army mechanic. But well played of course and nice to see aeldari beaten.
@wojciechprzewozniak5977 ай бұрын
Holy fk, 6' aura of 5+ for sustained 2, with full hit reroll? Lil bit overtuned... for all Space Marines formations only possible on max like 1 or 2 units from whole army and here like 6 of them? Its like playing with 700 points vs 2000 points army, no suprise the results.. 8:47 8:47
@lamhuynh72017 ай бұрын
Im kinda expecting the movement rule after deepstrike to be revert back to its 9th edition version after this tournament lol. Aka no move allowed after set up on table. Otherwise you would have to overall nuke the hypercrypt detachment to nerf the telerush combo
@jordydavis66427 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure. The list was unconventional so people were unprepared and it was also piloted to an incredibly high degree. Now that people know what to expect from similar lists, things like screening properly will be higher on their priority list. Nerfing something overpowered is understandable for sure. Nerfing something because someone played them to a very high caliber seems like the wrong move. I see nightbringer getting a points increase but that's probably it with Necrons. Maybe making transcendant an epic hero as well
@graysonsewell6527 ай бұрын
Can someone explain how deepstrike lets you set up in the first battle round. I thought you could only deepstrike on turn two?
@joeacnatety7 ай бұрын
Im not sure, but i know it is hypercrypt specific because grey knights cant do it.
@Kirusion7 ай бұрын
It's debated atm, and GW isn't helping by not answering, but essentially because they started on the battlefield, as if they start in Strategic Reserves they can't arrive turn 1 as per the rules, but because they're starting on the battlefield and then put into reserves, and having the Deep Strike ability lets you come down using the Deep Strike rule which happens in any reinforcement step including turn 1, so because the Stratagem to pull a unit from the battlefield at the end of your opponents turn (including turn 1) and put them into Reserves is why the Deep Strike rule works on your turn 1, and the opponent has to go first to get the maximum benefits from this. All this is possible because of the rules for Reserves and Strategic Reserves sync differently with Deep Strike
@joehayes97677 ай бұрын
MONOLITHIC
@villian_von_badguy_ii1457 ай бұрын
Uppy-Downy LOL !!!
@Wes-xk6hl7 ай бұрын
O wow that camera setup (while cool) makes actually playing on that table much worse. Id be pretty mad if i were the nids player. Already have had to play 150 models in like 8 games. Back literally dead. And now i have to bend over all this extending the table edge all game in my semi finals.
@SuperBaharroth7 ай бұрын
I doubt you’d ever play on stream, so don’t sweat it.
@CapAdGroup6 ай бұрын
Sounds like someones gotta go hit the gym ;D
@matthewheather69117 ай бұрын
triple infiltrator inc
@GaryP3367 ай бұрын
..rolled 2 6s
@kaijuh7 ай бұрын
context?
@Lothrean7 ай бұрын
Always said HCL is the way to necron, but in germany they dont listen…
@user-xm5dx2kr7k7 ай бұрын
Most of wins were because people didn't know the rules *which is very smart!*.... The Tyranids lost because of the "fighting through the walls"...
@Vichyssoise10007 ай бұрын
Around 20 min. Pretty sure those grunts aren't in coherency
@stefanw66657 ай бұрын
they dont have to. you string them out for getting buffs/where you want them, remove models that rnt in coherency and bring them back with a stratagem
@steave4357 ай бұрын
Assuming that big guy next to the top left of the chain is part of the unit, they are. Even large units only need to be in range of 2 other models, so you can string them out in a line at maximum spacing as long as you have 2 guys grouped on each end. Each guy along the line is in range of the guy before and after him in the line, which fullfills coherency.
@SoulofMusic6667 ай бұрын
Does the necron detachment specify it can come in on turn 1? Because core rules say otherwise
@KhanTotalGaming997 ай бұрын
It can if it has deep strike
@KhanTotalGaming997 ай бұрын
The core rules only affect units that are in deepstrike or reserves before the game starts, not if they're pulled in after the game starts
@curvycommissar74197 ай бұрын
He measured to block out 9" but monolith base is 6.2".... hmmmm
@alextherussian99337 ай бұрын
He probably measured 9 inches not from the board edge but from the line that wouldn't allow any unit to fit in (so the base model size).
@Houla11187 ай бұрын
Game was over turn 1, gotcha! 😂
@thaory7 ай бұрын
Great. Now nerf it into the ground. 👍
@40KStoics-pu2fb7 ай бұрын
Death Watch is better and would wreck this Necron list. It can deep strike units 3inches away (Inceptors) which will wreck Immortals. Eradicators wssill fry the Monolith. Just dont take any Deathwatch units!
@scape11117 ай бұрын
any list with good infiltrators wouldda stopped him. nice luck with the matchmaking. monolith is kinda bad in the tournament tables it cant fit between the ruins.
@StaticSilence17 ай бұрын
Looks like GW rules jank wins a tournament again. Seriously this reseves/ strat reseves fuzzyness needs to stop.
@johnwhite94617 ай бұрын
I fully agree.
@Wes-xk6hl7 ай бұрын
Except it doesnt matter cause they didnt use the changes for this tournament right? But i guess hypercrypt didnt change much
@mozeswasserl80057 ай бұрын
they did
@Dirtychindu7 ай бұрын
The stratagem you're thinking of is Canoptyk Court anyway. Matt Lorah was playing Hypercrypt.
@Wes-xk6hl7 ай бұрын
@@mozeswasserl8005 o they did use the changes?
@bee54407 ай бұрын
@@Wes-xk6hlyep
@Damnedlegion40k7 ай бұрын
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@Kaiserschutze7 ай бұрын
I don't understand why units with Deep Strike can come into the battlefield in the first round. Leviathan rules clearly say that units in Reserves can't come into the battlefield the first round, and the following exception in brackets clearly refers to the rule that destroys units in Reserves at the end of the third round. So, even if your units go into Reserves from the battlefield you can't redeploy them in the first round. I think is a misinterpretation of the Leviathan rules.
@bee54407 ай бұрын
That only applies if they *start* in deepstrike, not when the units are pulled into deepstrike at the end of your opponents turn
@angushunt2047 ай бұрын
I imagine that this will be amended, but the ruling clearly states this only applies to units that start in reserves, and doesn't affect units that go in after.
@Deanbeyers19847 ай бұрын
When you live at home with mommy and don’t shower I fucking hope you can win a tourney 😂
@patricknilsson43607 ай бұрын
Underrated. 😅
@jaydeeg32407 ай бұрын
What a random outburst
@thatmushroomguy59047 ай бұрын
You can't bring the monolith in round 1 via deep strike. Nothing can deep strike in round 1, unless it specifically says on its data sheet
@patricknilsson43607 ай бұрын
You probably should edit your comment cause, you know, in this case you can.
@Dirtychindu7 ай бұрын
Trevy explains why it can within the first 2 minutes.
@thebjorn427 ай бұрын
That would be right if you werent wrong. Also - watch the vid, he explains why at the beginning =)
@thatmushroomguy59047 ай бұрын
No, I still think it's incorrect. You can use the Monliths ability round 1 to bring a unit from reserves onto the field, but you cannot deep strike the monolith round 1.
@hardrada84077 ай бұрын
I’ve watched the start of the vid a few times and read the text. Usually you can’t deep strike in round 1 right? Could someone help out as to why it’s different here? Thanks