Hell yeah - even more amazing coverage from Joe

I hope thats not implying he cheated....​@@putthebunnybackinthebox4790

The look on both players' faces were priceless. Folger needed a full reboot after seeing the dicebox.

Dude, they were shared dice on the stream lol

Even I cheered, 2000 miles away. Wife thought I was having a stroke.

This is where I paused the video, asked my wife to come into the living room and explain in 5 minutes why what just happened was so wild. She does not play 40k or know anything about it. But still loves me enough to listen and nod along and tell me it's indeed cool.

3D printer go brrrrrr

Reminds me of what John did with his vanguard Ultramarines at WCW. Very mobile counter meta army. No doubt something similar will now happen where everyone copies the army and half the units go out of stock as a result 😂

Yeah after that, everyone is running vanguard etc. it’s a tricksy list but also very cp dependent too. Has to use at least one per turn to put the centurions back into deep strike. The necron one does it for free.

A lot of players have been putting up good results with hypercrypt but its usually 50/50 with court which i think is in general a easier play style. Personally i prefer a more shooty&resilient army Vs big balls monolith back line dropping high skill ceiling. Its nice we have detachments that are playable for both.

Imagine bringing Tsons to a tournament

@TacticalTortoise Agreed. Definitely having more fun with Chaos Knights. It really didn't feel like they changed that much in the last Balance Dataslate, but it must have been just a little too much because it has been just a slog to play TSons since then.

My friend plays t-sons and yeah the requirement to have your units on the table top just to earn cp sucks. Like I’m usually steam rolling him by turn 3 because he has to expose his infantry and I capitalize. MVB’s are very points expensive same with Magnus. Art of War mentioned making cabal points a fixed amount vs a pool which would help keep the ritual use in check and allow t-sons to be less restrictive army building wise.

Who the fuck thinks it’s gonna drop in their back line lmaoo

​@@IsacCivil I think his point was you don't really have to try. How could u possibly have a hole big enough for a 6x6in model to fit in? ESPECIALLY since you're fighting this army with everything teleporting. It's a good point to bring up because it's pretty ridiculous that it happened

It’s the 3” deep strike strat that got them

Imo a little bit, but i think it will be more when armies like GSC and GK get codexes.

I’m betting everyone will be bringing at least one now lol

Again GW started bloating the game with new rules only to be overrided by other rules.. so one need to read 2 books only to figure out afterwards that rules cancel each other... I think they will only nerf number of units to be teleported to max 2, as in most other armies up and downies limited to 2. Unless baked into datasheet like scouts, or maybe they will just employ master switch similar to "spam max 3"

Teleport Assault and Hyperphasing are NOT the same ability! Hyperphasing specifically puts a unit into Strategic reserve, which then lets it deep strike back on the table (if it has it). Teleport Assault just repositions the unit 9" away from enemies - it is neither strategic reserve nor deep strike.

So what abort warpspiders and swooping hawks. They have deepstrike and Can be put into Strategic reserve from the start of the game. Way vant they ude there deepstrike agility turn one?

The rule to not arrive turn 1 only applies to units that start the game in deep strike but if you have a rule that allows you to go into deep strike after the start of the game then you can come down in your movement phase turn 1. IE you go second and pick up the unit at the end of your opponent’s 1st turn to drop down in your turn 1

Sweet thanks@@Clatzy541

​@@Clatzy541Need to find a way to get my Endless multitude gargoyles killed opponent Turn 1 so they can then be resurrected on my turn 1.😂

Too true. All Grey Knights need is un-killable massively under-costed C'tan models and they wouldn't lose a single game either. GW at it's finest not playing their own game.

Best players in the world don't play overpowered armies. Everyone is a best player with Eldar army as we have seen. Watch him switch to Necron now.

@@alextherussian9933 you might be right

Leviathan packet - the turn 1 restriction only applies to deep strikers that start the game in reserve

If you go second on first turn you can Return to Shadows on end of first round to let the drop on your turn

I was confused about this as well...

Apparently it’s written somewhere (haven’t checked myself yet but multiple people have stated it) that if it started on the table, goes into reserve at the end of your opponents first turn, it’s able to come down in your next reinforcement phase (aka your turn one) overriding deep striking units not coming in until turn 2. If it was already in reserves however, it’s only able to come in from turn 2 onwards

@@nomad2126 The Leviathan rules for Reserves are the reason. They override the Core Rules. Found it.

Units repositioning using Deep Strike can arrive in BR1 as long as they started on the table. Stuff that begins the game in deep strike, or repositions using Strategic Reserves is still restricted from arriving in the first round.

So swooping hakkes Can do Theis aswell sinde they Can be moves into strategic reserves in the end of opponents turn

Only Epic Heroes are restricted to one per army - most characters in the game are non-unique.

It's in the rules commentary - units that begin on the table and reposition using Deep Strike can ignore the BR1 limit. Strategic Reserves are still limited *unless* they can deep strike.

I was very confused looking for the answer in the rules commentary, but I found this in section 8 Declare Battle Formations of the Leviathan mission pack "Reserves units cannot arrive during the first battle round and any Strategic Reserves or Reserves that have not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round count as having been destroyed, as are any units embarked within them (this does not apply to units that are placed into Strategic Reserves after the first battle round has started)." Is it the bit in the brackets that allows the turn 1 deep strike?

@@TacticalTortoise so if I deploy skorpekh destroyers and a monolith then put them I do reserves after my opponent goes first. I can then deep strike my skorpekh destroyers and monolith then use the monoliths ability to move a let’s say 20 man warrior squad

​@@TacticalTortoisewhere in the rules commentary? Couldnt find anything why its allowed when placed in reserves after start.

Granted, the nerf to deathwing knights was very well deserved. That unit was awful to play against

I'm not so sure. The list was unconventional so people were unprepared and it was also piloted to an incredibly high degree. Now that people know what to expect from similar lists, things like screening properly will be higher on their priority list. Nerfing something overpowered is understandable for sure. Nerfing something because someone played them to a very high caliber seems like the wrong move. I see nightbringer getting a points increase but that's probably it with Necrons. Maybe making transcendant an epic hero as well

Im not sure, but i know it is hypercrypt specific because grey knights cant do it.

It's debated atm, and GW isn't helping by not answering, but essentially because they started on the battlefield, as if they start in Strategic Reserves they can't arrive turn 1 as per the rules, but because they're starting on the battlefield and then put into reserves, and having the Deep Strike ability lets you come down using the Deep Strike rule which happens in any reinforcement step including turn 1, so because the Stratagem to pull a unit from the battlefield at the end of your opponents turn (including turn 1) and put them into Reserves is why the Deep Strike rule works on your turn 1, and the opponent has to go first to get the maximum benefits from this. All this is possible because of the rules for Reserves and Strategic Reserves sync differently with Deep Strike

I doubt you’d ever play on stream, so don’t sweat it.

Sounds like someones gotta go hit the gym ;D

context?

they dont have to. you string them out for getting buffs/where you want them, remove models that rnt in coherency and bring them back with a stratagem

Assuming that big guy next to the top left of the chain is part of the unit, they are. Even large units only need to be in range of 2 other models, so you can string them out in a line at maximum spacing as long as you have 2 guys grouped on each end. Each guy along the line is in range of the guy before and after him in the line, which fullfills coherency.

It can if it has deep strike

The core rules only affect units that are in deepstrike or reserves before the game starts, not if they're pulled in after the game starts

He probably measured 9 inches not from the board edge but from the line that wouldn't allow any unit to fit in (so the base model size).

I fully agree.

they did

The stratagem you're thinking of is Canoptyk Court anyway. Matt Lorah was playing Hypercrypt.

​@@mozeswasserl8005 o they did use the changes?

​@@Wes-xk6hlyep

That only applies if they *start* in deepstrike, not when the units are pulled into deepstrike at the end of your opponents turn

I imagine that this will be amended, but the ruling clearly states this only applies to units that start in reserves, and doesn't affect units that go in after.

Underrated. 😅

What a random outburst

You probably should edit your comment cause, you know, in this case you can.

Trevy explains why it can within the first 2 minutes.

That would be right if you werent wrong. Also - watch the vid, he explains why at the beginning =)

No, I still think it's incorrect. You can use the Monliths ability round 1 to bring a unit from reserves onto the field, but you cannot deep strike the monolith round 1.

I’ve watched the start of the vid a few times and read the text. Usually you can’t deep strike in round 1 right? Could someone help out as to why it’s different here? Thanks