Abhishek Singh did Krishna Menon trapped Gen Thorat, Thimmayya on behalf of Nehru ? Why did Gen Thapar had guts to threaten both these Generals his boss and peer and took name of Nehru and not Menon as the book says

Gen.Pran nath thapar

Oh I see karan is the son of Gen Thapar. Both r of the aame typical character. Any idea of gen kaul and chowdary

No one speaks about their own father critically in public. 🤐

This is the same question in my mind too .

It was almost a common knowledge in 60s that General Choudhary was reporting for The Statesman. This probably he used to set few things right in army establishment, where Gun factory , Ichhapur was being used to manufacture Coffee Perculators. and few other absurditied prevalent in army establishment. Thanks Nehru to choose such defence minister.who was responsible for JEEP SCANDAL. Nehru in that period will spend evening with British journalist of Guardian. Their , both Nehru and Menon were busy pn other personal matters. General Thapar was highly Incompetent guy. AND CHINESE DEBACLE OF 1962 IS PROOF. NEHRU AND MENON BOTH WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR CHINESE DEBACLE.

Both are white washing JN

The whole discussion both were trying to malign Gen Chaudhari, successor of General Thapar, father of Karan Thapar,w

The book is not about war...it's about Krishna Menon ....and besides think of it this way : will you rake up your dad's deeds or misdeeds on national platform 58 years after the event....jabaan Hai tho Bolna Hai ....really !! Dumbo !!

Yes, his dad General PN Thapar conspired with krishna menon and wrote a letter with many allegations to his own boss General Thimayya and his peer general Thorat and also threatened them saying PM knows about all these. The debacle of 1962 War is becoz of 3 people Nehru, krishna Menon and then chief of Army father Karan Thapar General PN Thapar. It is very funny, they deliberately avoided his name in this discussion😁

Venkat Nedunuri I too got the impression they were pussyfooting around Gen Thapar’s role

especially the historic and ongoing rape of india in name of islam

RAKESH AGRAWAL. Please explain: What do you mean by "British & American were deeply entrenched in the India state?" I want to learn from you.

If the generals want to open up to Btit high commissioner it would have been done with the full knowledge that it will be reported and it was treason. All the concerned generals should have been sacked. It is indeed pathetic to assume that Nehru and Menon were oblivious of it. Very convenient.

@@francisgodinho9077 You should peruse the numerous books written about pre and post independent India and draw your own conclusions on the role of Britain and The United States in Indian affairs. No I am unable to give you the names of books, that is for you to research. As a student of History I have spent years researching this fascinating topic.

A PM may listen to others but decision is exclusively of PM. Rameshji cannot pass the buck to Mr Menon to save Nehru. Nehru made series of blunder ,most inefficient PM.Rameshji etc are British agents to save the blue boy of British

It's a very grey area. Blame cannot be put on one man.

Poor V K Menon you say. I think you should read Brig. J.P Dalvi's book "The Himalayan Blunder" written way before even BJP was found. He was very critical of how VK Menon handled the 1962 war.

@subhadeep mandal So you want imperial japan or soviet Russia over here? US doesnt execute its generals. Winning and loosing isnt just dependent of Generals, Rommel too lost many battles.

@subhadeep mandal Rommel wasnt executed for D-day failure but for the plot to kill Hitler. If most generals died during WW2 I guess what the Nuremberg Trials were all about. USA didnt lose any war? Hmmmm. I am pretty sure you dont know any history India or any other country. Also, by the claim that Rommel was killed after D-day and USA never lost a war, you clearly display that you have no idea of difference between a war and a battle.

@subhadeep mandal lol you know nothing about anything it seems. Nuremberg trials about the police??? Are you crazy or what? Generals dont go on front lines that that can be killed in action. Stop acting like u know anything

subhadeep mandal Good Generals are made not born, and in war a lot depends upon mission, resources, circumstances available to the commander and intangibles. A best commander can be beaten and that too on a good day, if he gets complacent or make missteps that are in or out of his control. Marshal Zhukov made a few blunders but had he been killed by Stalin there were no replacements of his caliber. General should NOT send soldiers to mindless slaughter for some notion of future glory and reject missions that are beyond the capabilities of the men under his command. Soldiers recognize that and appreciate that. Gen Niazi’s decision to surrender was his only military sound decision. It should be appreciated as it saved lives, including lives of Indian soldiers. Ethics of War are complicated. Different for Army and Air Force as how their styles of warfare has evolved, it impacts and extends to treatment of civilians of the enemy. A knight in a shining armor is yet to make contact with the enemy. बाक़ी, थोड़ा खुद भी कर लें।

@subhadeep mandal. Suggest you read a book titled The Rommel Papers by Liddel Hart.

Well an outgoing Army chief has no right to recommend his successor and in any case Thapar was senior to Thoeat.

Devil

Richard Nixon the only president who would have been impeached has no credentials to talk about Menon.

Worst US President was Nixon

Richard Nixon hate krishna Menon because he had several times mocked Nixon in debate. Nixon cannot agree the fact that a black indian is more intelligent than him

this must have been proposed by the army and passed by menon - not his original idea

@@105vivek it was his original idea. He was a man with brains.

Karan is an artiste at sidestepping issues he does not want to discuss and lead the discussion to what he wants to say. Not clever and always brazenly done.

Powerful, intelligent, progressive in that order

Ok keep bjp and have fun whole of India is celebrating now 👍

@@nraphael9004 not whole of India. Mulla and leftist are assburnt now.

Atleast better than Modi

Excellent thought

If ideas are repugnant it stands to reason that their authors should be named and shamed too. To get an idea how infantile Krishna Menon could be at times one could do no worse than reading Khuswant Singh's account , who worked as a Press Attache under Mr Menon when he was the High Commissioner at London.

Prithvi Madugula, unemployment, poverty, education, health service, malnutrition amongst children & adult, roads/infrastructure are some which should be discussed.Yes Ideas, value & morals should also be discussed.

Instead of floccinaucinihilipilificating someone else's hard toiled intellectual work in an maladroit dismissal , why don't you yourself try something productive instead ?

There's plenty of content for those too. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Simply watch what interests you...

Both were playboys and probably exchanging notes on their conquests.

Right you are

@subhadeep mandal study indo China war...there was no way to stop Chinese ..they wanted this war not only for d territory but to defame Nehru coz his non alignment idea was growing stronger and stronger! And Nehru tried his best to avoid it diplomatically!! U will never understand......better go watch modi speeches

@subhadeep mandal dude RSS and bjp wanted aggression which was not a guy idea... One India could beg us or ussr for backup by licking their boots in d name of maintenaning gud relationship...and we would be almost like Pakistan and never like d India we r tdy ... So Nehru had a better option..be gud with China Nd never fall in d tracp of USA and ussr at d cost of China ..so did he.... And d part u r telling...yes der were mistakes in planning and resisting d attack, but remember everyone has ups Nd downs...so u can't BLAME Nehru for that!! There r a lot of things to look at ... Nd believe me if ur RSS and shitty bjp sided ... India would have been worseeee than Pakistan tdy if bjp ruled instead of Nehru

@subhadeep mandal 😂😂😂😂😂😂... U know shit about history and diplomacy! China was not a powerful country?🤣🤣🤣this is enough to know how much u know about history!! Just simple Google might help u if u don't know d GDP was double of India in 1960s .. Frgt 1960s China was damnn powerful in 1950s itself...Nehru had understood it very well...and we were nowhere near to them..he himself supported the PRC in UN despite denyl by d US ....and u think it's coz of his liking towards their ideology🤣... Nehru had already stated in d Parliament in 1950 clearly....with facts that ^u like it or not PRC is damn powerful, it is powerful but it's unstable ^ Nd this is exactly y it's so dangerous! Nehru already had seen d consequences of ussr which was attacked on almost all d fronts .... So he believed and was wise to think that being friendly with d great powers is better than being against coz d later would have more consequences..... And 😂😂ur RSS ....man...u r comparing Nehru to dirt on his shoes!! Nehru was a gem for India! U don't know shit about history and u r talking shitt.. Mao was shit leader and China will always have this black mark on them for backstabbing and till date no one trusts China...but may be ur RSS does...more than they do for Nehru😂😂... As d power of a country grows their ambitions grow... So now u r hungry for recognisation...and u like being rebell ...back than India was nothing...but india could have become a scape goat.. if ppl. Having minds like u and RSS were in power !! Nehru drove india from shit times to a prosperous country!!! ... U don't know anything...ur just misinformed fool...driven by ur nationalism by RSS and bjp ppl ..nothing else..go study some history...Nehru did d right thing... And u talk of RSS? There are no records of RSS taking part in indo China war nor...prime minister liking them..nor being invited to Republic day parade...it's all lies! A RTI was filed to know this but nothing came out! RSS was just born out of d greed to sustain BRHAMIn supremacy over d masses under d disguise of Hindu nationalism...they even didn't like d indian national flag....they were bootlickers of British and always stood by their side in divide and rule policy....they opposed quit india movement! Can u believe it? And u r glorifying RSS the real assholes! U don't know any thing.....a bit of history ..I can just ripppp u properly from all sides..just that I don't wanna waste time on fools like u..who think they know everything..go and put ur head in front of books rather than putting it in bjp and RSS ppl asses! RSS and bjp it seems....😂🤣🤣..do u even know y it was founded? D very reason of its foundation is anti india!! U RSS ppl r a black dot on our country ! U shud be ashamed of urselves!! And do u even know d present scenario of RSS🤣...what can I say more of a shit organisation who make their kids play drama of destroying d babri masjid and building a temple! Go and have a nap kid....don't debate me ...or if u will..I will kill u with ma facts!

@subhadeep mandal dude....any source or proof that RSS helped and Nehru applauded them? Any ???? Let's finish d debate!

mallikarjuna rao. VK. Menon was a Communist Russian stooge. Even Modi purchased $6 billion Russian Missiles to defend against Pakistan. Can you believe it. We create Pakistan, and buy $6 billion Russian rockets to defend India. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. India is ruled by fools. Now you know one cup of chai cost Rs 10 in India.

Yes , Menon undoubtedly had a sharp tongue and fluent oratory! But a sharp tongue not matched by equally sharp intellect makes the sharp tongue cut both cheeks . And that's what happened with Menon. Menon's decisions cut the Indian army to size . After the Chinese fiasco Menon bore the blame and he was pushed to the margins of history while the Prime Minister climbed a few more steps to glory.

@@deshbhakt1670 Menon represented India in International Court in J&K Case and won

Morarji Desai,the then Finance Minister, did not allot funds for Defense forces in the name of Non voilence and the forces became vulnerable.

This was the case with most of British educated Politicians, diplomats, intellects that stayed at helm of Indian affairs after independence but it is no more the case...so what he is saying is true (which at that time was probably with pride but no more in present context)....Jinnah was another English man who probably more English than King George VI.

Unbiased??? Karan Thapar didn't discuss about his father's role who was the army chief during indo China war. He is very biased

there is a book by his grand niece as well

as a kaimal i support menon

Socrates said this then Denzel Washington then you write it 😂

वो आदमी आगे जाकर देश का दो बार प्रधान मंत्री बन गया , ये आज भी फालतू के interview कर रहा है

Amit Bajaj. India is ruled by Sitaram, Dukiram, Sukiram, Pandooram, Dondooram.

Thank you to all love my comments. Honestly, I was not joking. You know India being ruled before the moguls, and after the British were kicked out in 1947. The clock is turned backward 1000 years. India has not moved forward into the 21st century to shed off the ancient garments. In fact, the Indian politicians wants to take us all backward in the days of Pandoram by imposing news laws that only benefits them; the BJP to be in power.

Communist Krishna Menon disarmed India, which led to weaker India. BTW, Gen. Timmayya wanted just few more weeks to drive out enemies and retake POK in 1948. Gen. Timmayya is a national hero, while cowardly Krishna Menon was a traitor.

What you know is wrong you jokker

@@thomasvarghese3730 what is jokker?

@Adam Romanov India would not have lost Indo China war, if Nehru had ordered aerial attack on Chinese military convoys, as advised by Indian military.

@Adam Romanov China did not have Air Force to threaten India. Communist oriented Defence Minister Krishna Menon was a traitor.

Yes but don't absolve Nehru. He was responsible for appointing Gen. P.N. Thapar by superseding Lt.Gen.Thorat. The reason was Gen.P.N.Thapar's brother in law (Karan's maternal uncle) was married to Nehur's niece Nayantara.

None

None of these politicians like gandhi, nehru, krishna menon, radhakrishnan had any experience in leading the armed forces. The only Indian politician who had that experience was Netaji subhas Chandra Bose. When you fight for nation freedom you bleed, when you get freedom by such sacrifice only then you understand the value of nation freedom.

I'm not defending Karan of the Army Chief then. But honestly tell me, will you be comfortable talking about your daddy's failures in public?

Ayush Acharya There is one side of the story that only he can complete. He is equipped with the language, facilities and his profession. The ethics of his profession demand it. He should write a book on it instead of confounding if he a student of history. His dad is not alive for him to disagreeing with his dad in public to be having that dilemma. He himself is what, say 70 years old. It is needed for historical record and as a cautionary tale.

@@blueeight5573 His father resigned in disgrace from office due to his dismal record in the war. It'll be a (understandably) painful experience for Karan Thapar to describe the circumstances and feelings of his father (as he saw them) as disgrace and shame enveloped his dad and his career. Now, I understand that as an acclaimed journalist, he's duty bound to tell us this story, because only he can tell us the details (as you rightly pointed out). But it clashes with the love, respect and inclination to defend our parents, which is a natural feeling for someone we love. There is a clash of love and duty here, which even though for a soldier is a simple choice, but for a journalist, I'm not so sure.

Ayush Acharya regarding first para. It is least he could have done. The appointment of Gen Thapar itself was faulty. For the rest of the it, what you are saying is not a virtue but a deep flaw, for a person in his position.

Ayush Acharya book recommendation: letters to a young contrarian. By Hitchens.

Yes and he later showed his true colours by defecting!!!!