The Amanda Palmer response the victim DID NOT tell her what happened she said initially Neil "made a pass" at her and that's when Amanda Palmer reportedly said the "14th fucking woman" thing

Devastating. Why can't these guys just be good people..... this is heartbreaking.... for fans.... and for women. I'm so fucking sick of this. Can we just send him to jail.

I had a college writing professor who wanted to introduce me to him - I was flattered at the time but backed out bc I hadn’t read any of his books. This was back in the early 2000s - I used to look back on this “opportunity” with regret, but it looks like I dodged a bullet 😥

This video should be updated with a correction. When Amanda was told, what she was told was that Neil had made a pass at Scarlet, and this was after she and Neil had split up. Amanda was not told at that time that the act was violent or nonconsensual. She and Neil were in an open relationship and so, yes, communication is key. She was exasperated because Neil was out there hitting on women while in an open relationship and yet he was not communicating that to them, and it was getting back to her, which put her in a very awkward situation. She also had ended things with him because even when they were no longer in an open relationship, he continued to seek other women out sexually, and their relationship deteriorated as a result of this, their conflicting touring schedules, and the stresses of being under house arrest together at the beginning of the pandemic. To cast her as being somehow complicit in his predatory behaviour is both inaccurate and dangerous. Amanda has said and done a lot of things that have been controversial, some rightfully so, but she doesn't deserve to be called an SA enabler or have it implied that she was part of a cover-up.

Tbh, I'm shocked at the way you're presenting this story. You talk about a bunch of reddit posts and a summary of a podcast you haven't acually listened to as though they were proven fact and evidence of his guilt in all allegations. I'm not saying I think Gaiman is innocent in this. I think that multiple people coming forward usually is a pretty clear sign that there's got to be some legitimate reason for the accusations. But as someone who's reporting on this story on a public forum you have a certain responsibility. I'm honestly shocked at the way you frame almost every piece of online discourse as though it was the obvious truth. Lots of it might very well turn out to be the truth. But we don't know that for sure just yet. And I think it's irresponsible to frame this story as though we had any sort of hard evidence. I'm not saying this to try and side with Gaiman or discredit the women who have come forward in any way. I think that that the age gap and power imbalance of him having an affair with very young women, one of whom was the live-in nanny to his son, is disgusting! And even just the (supposedly consentual) encounters he has openly admitted to so far are enough to make my skin crawl. But I think that when you're reporting on any sort of story in which someone is being accused of a crime, it's your responsibility to clearly separate the things you know for a fact to be true from the things that you or other people believe to be true. And there are several points in this video where that distinction between fact and allegation or belief is not just blurred, but crossed completely. It's important to believe victims of abuse and investigate their claims to get justice. But belief is not fact. And acting as though it was was ahead of time is not fighting for justice or being an ally.

I was a huge fan of Gaiman. His writing helped me a lot when I was 16 and was struggling. Over the years I learned that there aren’t any good or bad people. There are just people and they are doing people things. And sadly one of those things is hurting others and not respecting boundaries. I read and engage with a lot of feminist media and especially the podcast of Matt Bernstein on Amber Heard and the myth of the perfect victim helped me understand why so many people have strong emotions when it comes to celebrities getting accused. I’m and always was in the always believe the victims first because of everything that goes on in the world and the immense amount of victims who will never go to the police bc of that. But it still hurts when one of the people who you truly looked up to turns out to be an abuser. Especially when he framed himself as a feminist and now calls paints one of the women as crazy and admitted being in relationships with women who are not even half his age. It’s disgusting.

This keeps happening because with the internet everyone knows everything about everyone.

This sucks sooo much. I'm so tired of news like this 😑 Regarding faith in humanity though, if you haven't, check out humankind by Rutger Bregman.

I still can't process this to be honest. If anything comes out about Alan Moore I will be completely heartbroken.

9:50 I had to pause the podcast to process for a moment when one of the victims mentioned that Amanda had told her that 14 other women had already approached her for the same reason. It is so sad and scary to see how powerful and famous people can get away with so many horrible things. 13:41 wow... 15:50 So sad that's true Good video on the matter!

How haven't i heard of this yet? My god Edit: miss gaiman's wife what do you mean you're taking neil's side after at least 14 (tf??) women told you what happened to them? Ma'am!!??

The power imbalance is profound. I was a huge fan of his writing. My shelves are covered in his books. I’ve bought and rebought copies over the years because I read them again and again. I’m getting rid of them all. This is unconscionable. She was a child compare to him. I’m 40. My daughter is 22 and I have friends 10-20 years younger than me. I am very aware of my experience and my position as someone who has been an adult as long as some of them have been alive. Gaiman would have had a crazy amount of power over these young women. Any sexual relationship was inappropriate and this was clearly SA.

Humans are NOT good. Neil Gaiman is NOT a piece of shit. The women were NOT lying. Interpretation is for the court of law and NOT for gossip online. Do with it whatever you want.

2:30 Amanda Palmer knew that they had been sexually propositioned, not assaulted. Important difference. Please be more careful.

It's because system protects powerful men

That's a huge bias, saying that you won't watch a podcast by Rachel Johnson because you're not a fan of Boris Johnson. They're individual people, and she's not her brother's biggest fan, either.

first of all HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 476 SUBS?! I EXPECTED MORE OMG. THIS IS SO GOOD. also love the bookshelf and your intro. subbed immediately. that being said these allegations have shook me to my core, as a fan of at least three Gaiman pieces of media, especially Good Omens. I think you spoke about this very well and it was very informative about what's been going on with more details than I had known so far. Thank you for this video and I look forward to the follow up.

Go ahead, downvote me, but I have to ask this: why is it that conservative authors get banned from cons and cancelled simply for having views most (my liberal self included) disagree with, but Gaiman is largely getting a pass? We should respond to the way people act, not the views they have and express...but within reason, of course. Banning an author from a con for being a literal "WWII bad guy" is one thing, banning them for tweeting that they're pro-life is another. As for Gaiman, the fact is the power imbalance between a rich, much older, famous author and young fans is so great that it makes any kind of sexual relationship between them problematic as Hell. Guys like Gaiman should stick to older, professional women who are on his same level when it comes to power dynamics. With this many women coming out, I think we can safely say he is nasty.

incredibly unrelated to the subject of the video, but i love your bookcase!

The answer to the first question is that trust should not be unconditional. We can change for the good or the ill as our whole being is only established at the moment of our death.

Now a third victim has come forward in another podcast - so the people who dismissed the victims just because TERF Johnson was involved with the podcast (because one of the victims initially contacted her), have no excuse now.

Thanks for this clear assessment. Really agree with you.

Have you seen the new allegations which are not on tortoise but on a podcast run by a licenced mental health counsellor? It's on season 4 episode 2 of Am I broken : survivor stories. On buzzsprout. The person speaking describes how she was groomed by Gaiman as a young fan, how he gaslit her into believing that she was to blame. She tried to speak to journalist several years ago but nobody wanted to take her story.

Tapping out at reason 1 given as to why you didn't listen to the podcast... you not a fan of Boris Johnson, so dont want to listen to some investigative journalism by his sister. Pffft. Sheeesh.

This man was a good friend of Terry Pratchett. Do I now have to start wondering about Pratchett?? I know guilt by association is not a good thing, but Pratchett seemed so intuitive and worldly enough to know that nobody's perfect, and I find myself wondering what he knew, or if he knew, about any of this, and It just breaks my heart.

What multiple women? 2, yes. I haven’t heard of any more reports. You said Multiple in your title.

Off topic I like your look and vibe, look like a webcomic character I would draw

If someone assaults you. Report to the police and don’t send your abuser a text saying “thanks for the great night.” It’s a job working as a nanny. Just quit. Be an adult.

I have never liked NG for many reasons. One reason is the offensive cultural appropriation. Another is his vibe during interviews and yet another is the worship of him as a charismatic writer because I find his content is somewhat blah and boring. Glad my instincts were working in my favor. I'm an SA and DV survivor so my radar is always on triple alert. Hoping his victims get justice.

Are you posting this on other social media sites?

if this goes to legal proceedings it will probably be dismissed due to the this type of coverage. not weighing in on if i think he did it or not just remarking how the legal system works - trial by media can easily get a case thrown out of court

It keeps happening because some people value money and attention more than truth and dignity. The instant bandwagoning by online lynch mobs like this one are another reason why it keeps happening.

Your assumption of guilt is pretty bad. In such instances we treat the accuser and accused with the appropriate dignity until the case is proven. The effects of a false alligation of this kind can be an assault in its own right with people losing work, reputation, contact with family members and trauma that can last the remainder of a life time. Just as women are rarely believed or listened to, victims of false alligations are always subject to "no smoke without fire" innuendo. Wait for the verdict. If the trial looks dubious go for that angle. If Gaiman is guilty he is deserving of scorn and a lengthy prison sentence. Will you be making a retraction video if he is proved innocent?

Till its proven in court that he did something wrong, i support Neil, innocent until proven guilty sorry.. and before anyone gives me shit yes i know i should believe all women but.. women lie about this kinda thing for a freebe settlement check all the time. ive been SA,ed i know how horrible it is to have no one believe you but i also know guys that have had there lives ruined for nothing. so till i know the truth i will remain silent thats all there is to it !

Let us please remember in this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

So sleeping with somebody famous but not getting anything in return is an assault now?! Ridiculous

Two is not "multiple". Clickbait sucks.

Well, this is the first I've heard of this. Now I have to throw out all the Sandman TPBs I've had for over 25 years along with my other Neil Gaiman books.

Don't believe women.

You knew something like proof that he did something wrong would be something. Not just people saying that ne did something wrong