Ya know...I'd actully read about a news reporter in a yellow trench coat with a bat, sounds interesting.

Opportunist.

@@jasondphoenix Sounds like a noir version of Curious George

@@jackcassidy9963 🤣 yeah. Still would be interesting.

@@jasondphoenix the character The Question

It’s keeping the core and that is what’s is important. It also feels like Sandman, and there are so many parts that feel like they are right out of the comics, with a few cosmetic changes that aren’t so drastic they take away from the books. I for one am extremely happy with this series!

As someone who hasn't read the comic yet, I'm finding the series extremely difficult to watch. Not because it's hard to follow. It's just so poorly made that it's an absolute chore to watch. My girlfriend and I, often find ourselves laughing out loud at some of the choices made. Much of the acting is poor, costumes are low effort and there's a general feeling that the show was made by completely seperate teams, with no overarching vision. Coming from something like Better Call Saul, which is pretty close to perfection, Sandman is sometimes embarassingly bad.

@@-The-Golden-God- we must be watching different shows.

@@pinnacleproductions6275 The show went through development hell, so it's not exactly a surprise to find that the end result is often a fractured mess.

I was born in 1996, which technically makes me a millennial, and this not the kind of Hollywood/entertainment industry that we millennials were raised on or grew up with. The Ghostbusters weren’t kissing each other. Terminator 2 never had an LGBT-800. The first X-Men film didn’t have a black wolverine. Disney’s Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan never had a transgender lead. Forrest Gump wasn’t kissing a dude. Back To The Future didn’t have Marty and Doc kissing. The Iron Giant wasn’t bisexual. The two Charlie’s Angels films didn’t have a lesbian three way. Underworld never had any non binary Asians. The first Gremlins didn’t have any gay gremlins. Top Gun never had a gay kissing scene. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon didn’t have any pansexuals. Lord Of The Rings didn’t have a queer orgy. Even Jurassic Park never had any lesbian Dinosaurs licking each other. Any comments?

When I look back at Star Trek, the preachiness sometimes comes across as overdone and silly, but it wasn't ever mean-spirited. At worst, I face-palm at Shatner's overheated '60s Americanism or Piccard's pretentious musing. The stories were still (mostly) good, and the moral earnestness was genuine and usually balanced with some humility.

@@foxotcw30 the message of classic Star Trek, even when preachy, was 'we can be better people'... not "this group sucks and you need to hate them"

@@petriew2018 lets call this the early intro to the eugenics wars then shall we we already got people surgically and medically altering their bodies soon it'll be dna mods and such lol

All the woke nonsense lost me by the 5th episode. Too over the top. They could’ve mixed the LGBTQ themes in much better. When you begin to lose the theme of the show just to make every character have a political ideology, you’ve lost me. If you can mix the themes together well, I have no issues. That’s not the case here though. They’re going out of their way to make nearly everything about LGBTQ relationships. It’s unfortunately disproportionate and classic Netflix pushing their ideology into others. The underlying plot was good but they’ve now lost me.

You are the perfect consumers of propaganda. Thank you.

Desire and Lucifer were perfect. I didn’t like the gender race swap with Lucien and death. I’ll explain. Lucienne had a more motherly nature about her which completely takes away from Lucien’s character which is him cracking little witty/wise jabs at Morpheus; I completely disliked that altogether from lucienne. Death, was of a sickly pale white skin color with a cheeky disposition. The tv death was more of a sweet demeanor. I highly doubt anyone would get her character correct in all honesty actually. You’d have to make up her tone that color. Morpheus looked correct and I wish he had a robe and no shoes with messier hair.

'The Sound of Her Wings', quite possibly the best single issue comic ever. Sandman #8, man that was the story that convinced me to pick up the book. Its Death takes a holiday with Dream along for the ride. Incredible book. Too bad other media are in the process of destroying it's impact.

@@markroberts928 I like "The Sound of Her Wings", but my favorite single issue comic is "Three Septembers and a January" from Sandman's "Fables and Reflections" collection.

Also an outstanding issue.

One of my favorites is about Immortal Man. This is probably one of the most unique and oddly enough, accurate depictions of what Immortality could possibly feel like. And it also gave Morpheus some really great scenes with his growing friendship with that man.

@@AzraelSoulHunter Hob Gadling. 'Men of Good Fortune.' Great issue.

Ditto for me. Dollhouse is where I started. Season of Mists is my favorite.

Season of mists is going to be everybody's favourite everybody that's a fan of the original series of course This inspired me to chuck all my comics into topaz gigapixel AI and another two picture editing programs to get those comics looking epic before I reread them for like the 10th time in the last decade I got everything jewel sandman comics as I'm aware hq too. So after upscaling these comics and doing a few things with them it's going to be epic to read them again

The old creators had a way of communicating with their audience without being specific about things like race, gender and such. That's what made them so great

Okay dude. You keep watching movies with black women fighting as vikings in the 4th century.

@@strings1586, the problem with Vikings Valhalla is that is completly breaks suspension of disbelief. Something that would not matter that much in Sandman, because its is in modern day London

@@strings1586 I would argue when a character is stunt cast based on race it falls under what I was speaking of, there are rare exceptions but generally when you have black vikings historical believability and story probably aren't a priority

@@Nightman221k no, because "gender" is an unsubstantiated theory popular in American universities, and nowhere else. It's not a reality like ethnicity or race, "gender" is made up in your head.

Agreed. They are doing fine and this feels... Pointless to a pretty large degree. I can't believe no one has really brought up Lucian's swap.

@@BadCity7 no coming from a fan, you feel like it's getting good then they force diversity where it's not needed in a already very diverse comic. Could have been great, moving on to house of dragons... even the 2nd witcher season was better

So, which black character appeared white, which female character appeared male, which gay character appeared straight to people in the show? It's obvious that it only went one way.

@@bobbythorton7693 there's a black character in House of Dragons so you won't like it.

@@lukaszzylik4437 nah he isn't forced in and I'm black....lol very bad take there take the L... There is difference between forced diversity and diversity. For example making wakanda people white would be forced... Work on those brain muscles. corlys velaryon fits in well. Next time mention his name so you don't sound like a angry person with no logic.

A I bought the audio cd version as soon as I heard the voice of the characters. I also liked Desires voice actor and character the most. I am really impressed with the voice actor for that one. They could really go a long way to become a great one in the future. Also when I saw the comic it seemed normal to me. How was it woke at all?

Woke is a behavior. And the term literally invokes the opposite of what many philosophers (and historians) refer to as a "great awakening." Woke is Political Correctness. Woke is Gatekeeping. Woke is Collectivism. Its Cultural Marxism. Its plain, old Communism. None of what is going on within entertainment and the media is new...

@@animeAJproductions I did not know it also had something to do with behavior in that way. Surprise to know!

@@enjoythestruggle People have used Woke before? I thought it was a completely new thing.

Nah man, it was always about hating people for who they are. People just didn't notice that until now.

Mason Alexander Park was also perfect as Desire. It irked me that this video argued two points against one another: 'People want Death to be how they remember her in the comic; Howell-Baptiste is all wrong! Park was only cast because they're non-binary, like in the comic; they're all wrong, too, somehow!'

@@ChadKakashi It reminds me that I used to be a boundary-pushing liberal myself until the Woke ruined it for everyone. (Btw I have the odd view that Woke isn't about politics, it is about an overprotected generation who never even saw a spanking or walked to school alone coming into power. No kidding I cannot even IMAGINE a parent being spotted near their kids of ANY age on Halloween in my day .. that child woulda been the laughing stock of the elementary school the next day.).

Yea..even though I'm so bummed about it..(always wanting see her live action) ..but she is done right ..personality wise in the series

As with Constantine.. she does great!!

I was born in 1996, which technically makes me a millennial, and this not the kind of Hollywood/entertainment industry that we millennials were raised on or grew up with. The Ghostbusters weren’t kissing each other. Terminator 2 never had an LGBT-800. The first X-Men film didn’t have a black wolverine. Disney’s Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan never had a transgender lead. Forrest Gump wasn’t kissing a dude. Back To The Future didn’t have Marty and Doc kissing. The Iron Giant wasn’t bisexual. The two Charlie’s Angels films didn’t have a lesbian three way. Underworld never had any non binary Asians. The first Gremlins didn’t have any gay gremlins. Top Gun never had a gay kissing scene. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon didn’t have any pansexuals. Even Jurassic Park never had any lesbian Dinosaurs licking each other. Any comments?

*already ruined

The stealthy way to put their libturd politics was just the begining of the current infection.

Exactly, i was listening the Audible audiobooks and there Where Trans, lesbian Gay people but i really liked them because there where interesting characters and Not just there sexuality.

They’re gonna pull a cowboy beebop I bet

The typical woke adaptation paradox: If "it was always woke"... Why try to change it in the first place?

If only they followed that exact statement 😗

But Death was still... very much death... the actress did a fab job... the most heartbreaking episode of the series...

@@lt.duckeditchannel2473 death was still death, constantines story was more fleshed out by making her the same constantine they meet 300 years prior to their altercation. Literally everything was the same. They didnt change any character other than how they look

@@manakmishra they swapped gender. It's quite the big deal.

@@ProudOne what? They changed Constantines backstory. Johanna is the same constantine that Dream meets in the 18th century.

exactly. there are good stories like SAGA and blessed and the wicked and the divine which are quite alright in the sense that they both write good stories and create fun worlds to explore. which is respectable.

No. One is intelligence, other is woke.

@@juresaiyan bruh

lower case woke is like DMZ, despite how blatantly political that comic is, it handles its subjects with nuance and care and so the story is fantastic. The opposite is something like i can't think of anything off the top my head but you know the ones.

I wouldn't even use woke to describe the first category. Instead I'd say progressive, forward thinking, socially aware, radical, political, activists (depending on the extent). I'd describe "woke" as political correctness, as pedalled by ignorant trolls who think it's a substitute for real social change. It's also fake corporate inclusiveness to sell content to consumers while ignoring the huge impact economic oppression has on all those marginalized groups, as well as the majority. It's divide and conquer by a political elite who employ divide and conquer with culture wars and only pay lip service to any real issues.

They really missed an opportunity here. Since the Endless are just avatars of fundamental ideas, they could have had a different actor play each one in nearly every episode. It would totally confuse the audience until they caught on, but if written well (which Gaiman certainly could) that confusion could be used to provide even deeper insight into the Endless.

@@etherealceleste I both agree and disagree with that idea. They technically have already pulled off characters like this quite well, my favorite example being Altered Carbon, and it does very much fit with the themes and actual events of the comics. But on the other hand, I feel it is genuinely important to regularly re-establish their “true” appearances because it serves to remind the audience that one, true, PRIME entity is what all those different appearances (actors and actresses) are connected to. It’s hard for me to put into words, but I see the merits of going in either direction.

Monochrome makeup would be awesome

@@Ramsey276one Again, it’s the easiest thing in the world if they want to stay true to the spirit of the comics. Have this actress dye her hair white. That way it’ll look like a clever inversion but nonetheless faithful nod to the source material.

@@etherealceleste You are absolutally rigth. On the originall comic series we see Dream depicted ass a black man, an ancient martian god,a cat....It looks that the author is trying to convey that because the Endles are the personification of universal concepts ( and not humans) they aren't limited to a race,time period or species so their appearance can mutate depending of the culture that however is perceiving them. Similar to how Desire can appear as female, male, both or none: because Desire isn't limited to any gender, sex our sexuality.

Woke is woke.

@@mr_indie_fan nope

It was woke. He saw the injustices in our society at that time and made a comic talking about those issues. It looks like cringe woke now because of the crazy people who use woke to get their way.

That’s because it’s not woke. It’s simply progressive. There’s a difference

Woke is force Progressive is voluntary

Exactly. Hell, it's even explicitly shown many times with Dream, Death and Desire. Most people's response to Death's casting was "why her?" My response was "ONLY her?"

@@goji3755 Why not "Why her and only her?", that way you get the true answer, and it's the usual thing.

Death Is Also Not Bound To Any Such Rule Unlike The Other Endless Family Members, That's Why She Is The Strongest Endless Family Member.

@@avenger30004 Not sure what you mean exactly ..?

@@KaraokeNig I Said Death Isn't Bound To Any Rule Object Or Realm.

this is the perfect comment for this situation actually

For me, it was not Woke or some "Precursor Culture" to Woke. It was just the characters as they were. Nothing more. And that is the major issue people have with some, or a lot of of so called "Woke" comics and literature, and overtly the writers of such works, that the characters are just that characters. IT is not about representation. But first and foremost, telling a story.

@CHGLongStone As a black man I feel compelled to mention that the term "woke" was appropriated. It was originally coined by those unfortunate members of the black community who recently realized there was more to our history than "slavery and civil rights." But every since those white savior who claim to be "liberals" appropriated it, it means "progressive," or "aware" depending on the context. I bring this up to point out the ignorant display of hypocrisy of those who want to see everything as "problematic." Although in reading your comment further, I think I furthered your notion that Gaiman has lost touch with reality. However I think the ability to distinguish between transvestism, dysphoria, and attention seeking is being lost so as to control the masses. Basically painting a target on these outliers so that when the time comes they will either be destroyed indiscriminatly, or as my more zealous Christians peers see it, have them unify against us. But that's me being paranoid.

@@DemonicRemption Gaiman has joined the forces with the other wealthy white Leftists trying to tell Spanish speakers how to use their language. Ie. he, like other creators, is not the guy he was when he was stunning the world.

Having attended - and graduated from - a major California university, I can say that American public college life is nothing short of surreal. Endlessly interesting, but surreal. Those campuses are like gigantic hippie communes, except that even hippies are not as rabidly transgressive. They're places where Palestinian students march around in headscarves and damn Israel. Where people celebrate Dia de los Muertos SERIOUSLY, and not just as the Chicano Halloween. Where the vaccination of Indians by British imperialists in the late 18th century is denounced. And where Che Guevara is depicted in art with brown skin (despite being half Basque and half Irish), pungent Indian food comes wafting from booths set up in front of the student center and Hindu reincarnation is taught as fact, and even white feminists are not progressive enough. I also remember 1970s punk rock being taught as a historical phenomenon. There was a Catholic chapel on campus, and a pizzeria was at the shopping center just across the street, but I was experiencing a lot of things for the very first time.

I was thinking the same thing. I would have loved to have multiple people playing each endless.

Yep, and the same African people called referred to her as Grandmother Death, meaning her appearance to them was not what 'we' saw.

They don't change their look. They have no look. They are abstractions. Their look is whatever the other projects onto them. Thus the black tribe saw him as a black man, the cats saw him as a cat, Martian Manhunter saw him as a demonic figure, and white british men saw him as a white men when the story started, which was the look that remained. Morpheus has existed since the dawn of time, it's idiotic to think he has looked like the guy from the Cure all along when all his forms are equally valid. The reason why he looks like the guy from the Cure is because that's what the AUTHOR looks like and we are seeing it through his lens.

All the woke nonsense lost me by the 5th episode. Too over the top. They could’ve mixed the LGBTQ themes in much better. When you begin to lose the theme of the show just to make every character have a political ideology, you’ve lost me. If you can mix the themes together well, I have no issues. That’s not the case here though. They’re going out of their way to make nearly everything about LGBTQ relationships. It’s unfortunately disproportionate and classic Netflix pushing their ideology into others. The underlying plot was good but they’ve now lost me.

@@knottchu6159 Netflix didn’t push the lgbtq stuff: it was always in the books, so if you have a problem with that you’d find the original graphic novel just as problematic for you.

I knew she'd be good. Baptiste is an amazing actress. I watched her in Killing Eve, Queenpins and Cruella

Pathetic simp. They made zero effort to do the makeup. Look around the eyes does she have the same makeup? Nope. They could have made her pale white regardless of her race similar to how Zoe Saldana is black but they made her wear green body paint as Gamora.

What people doesn't get is that *she wasn't planned to be black. It was colorblind casting.*

coming from a black fan of the comics, it felt off and forced.

@@bobbythorton7693 listen, as a white person I really have no right to tell you how to feel about that, but I do think you deserve to know that, at least if we believe what Neil gaiman say, which I personally believe we should, she wasn't really *planned* to be played by a black woman- it was colorblind casting for her role.

Does Deaths monochromatic-ness in the comics ever come to anything? Is it ever important or plot harming or of concern? Like, Death is a personified concept. I can’t imagine color is ever important, and presumably she can shapeshift.

@@red-hn5iy Dude. All of the Endless appear to people how the individual person or culture conceptualizes the concept of the specific Endless. There’s a cat lady called Bast in the comics who sees Dream as a giant cat. So I doubt all beings in existence see Death as a petite paper-white goth girl

@@aliahpersonous2893 I see this argument and that generally misses the point. Sandman the comic shows the default depiction of death as a bubbly goth girl who looks quite young and that is juxtaposed with her being the most mature and caring of the seven. That art and look are iconic, and she is one of the most well known comic designs of all time. Other beings may see her as different but she is generally shown to the audience one particular way. The new actress doesn't even seem to have the punk-ish or goth feeling to her in any of the scenes I have seen.

@@bishopcruz She never came across as "bubbly" to me? And regardless of reader interpretation, what I stated still stands. The "normal" forms the Endless have are for us so we can have something to latch onto, but that doesn't negate the fact that in-universe everyone sees her differently but we don't see it often cuz we didn't have a lot of mortal perspectives. Lastly, she never had a punk or goth or anything vibe in the comic! She dressed gothic but that was it.

You're very right. Star Trek is also one of the best proofs that most of the anti-woke aren't motivated by wright wing politics, beliefs, and ideology. I'm a libertarian socialist, myself, and Earth in Star Trek is libertarian socialist. There are caveats, such as the fact that the economy and organization of society isn't really delved into, some things are definitely ideologically inconsistent, and it's presented as altogether too simple. That aside, there's no mistaking that it's libertarian socialism. More recent branches of the franchise are much less both libertarian and socialist. They've been more militaristic, which is traditionally more appealing to conservative ideologues (in Western societies; there are and have been nominally left regimes who are or were militaristic); they've been more hierarchical, violating libertarian principles; and they've been pessimistic about socialism, in that they've shown Earth's political system as corrupted and even fallen. Even aspects that are intended to reflect libertarian or socialist principles tend to be utter nonsense, and simply get in the way of the story. It's pretty solid proof that the current "creatives" in the franchise are anything but actually on the left. So, then, people on the wright should find this very pleasing, even if they pasted in some virtue signaling. Yet, most anti-woke agree with my criticisms of Star Trek. Many of them are, I'm sure, on the political wright, but that's not their motive for disliking woke storytelling. Their motives are that it's bad storytelling, that it's disrespectful towards the original characters and the original creators, and that it almost always includes destructive elements that will make future good storytelling impossible. I believe that I'm equally consistent. Even if a franchise or original was very far from ideologically aligned with me, I still hate it, when it's torn down by incompetent assholes with an agenda; I want good stories, stories that work. If they also have a deeper meaning, whether it challenges me, agrees with me, or expands my horizon, that's great. It has to be a good story, foremost, though. If it has a deeper meaning, but is a lousy story, the writers should instead have written an essay, op-ed, humanist or social sciences paper, or some other non-fiction piece. Maybe I would've read that (probably not, though; their "deeper meaning" tends to be pretty shallow). Anyway, my point is that it's incorrect and unfair to assume that opposition to woke vandalism is based in ideology or intolerance.

Neil Gaiman definitely put some messaging ideas I don’t agree with into his work - may you elaborate?

@@erikjrn4080 Actually, people hated Original Trek when it came out. Uhura actress received hateful mail while her actual fan mail wasn't delivered to her. So 60 years from now, people are going to look at the "woke" era and be thankful the same way audiences today are looking back at OG Trek as the wholesome. It wasn't wholesome to viewers back then

@@suezcontours6653 Yes, it's great that the vast majority of conservatives aren't racists, and that being anti-woke has nothing to do with being anti-equality. It's also great that, with regard to racism, society has evolved greatly since 1970. I don't know why you're telling me, though. I already know. It's the woke mob that either believes of pretends that they're back in the era of Jim Crow, bravely fighting segregation, and that everyone gainsaying them is a founding member of the KKK. No, people 60 years from now won't look back and be thankful that the woke morons broke barriers. You see, in order to break a barrier, the barrier must exist. History will grant you no points for breaking imaginary barriers. Larping isn't heroism. Instead, they'll look back at woke storytelling, and be amazed at how objectively bad it is. They may even look back at it, and ask why Burnham was portrayed as a hero; did people back then think that the best a black woman could aspire to be was a spoiled, self-absorbed, emotional, tantrum-prone, overgrown brat, with no concept of responsibility, rationality, or principle? How incredibly racist these "woke" people must've been! You see, it's not that ST:D isn't wholesome. It's wholesome enough; even when it deliberately attempts to be edgy in the non-wholesome direction, the most it manages is to be ridiculous. It's that it's bad. Really, really bad. If you want to see a black main character done right in Star Trek, watch DS9. Take special note of how the main character is given the universal traits of a heroic leader, rather than the traits of the most spoiled brat in kindergarten. Also take note of how racism is actively dealt with, through the interaction between alien species, but never, ever at the expense of the story; instead, it adds to the story, and also adds to reflection about racism, by showing the differences between speciesism and racism, and, by contrast, how ridiculous racism is. Basically, it respects, uses, and expands on the unique tools provided by the genre and franchise, rather than forcing anything, and they maintain the integrity of the fictional universe; there are no attempts at provocation for the sake of provocation, and no attempt at picking fights outside of the fictional universe, much less with fans. Last, but not least, take note of the fact that the creators never tried to claim any virtue points for having black characters, nor attacked any and all critics with accusations of racism. Which reminds me, I should rewatch DS9.

As long as Death is exceedingly wise and counter-counter cultured (has counter culture appearance, but then behaves counter to that) then I can go along for the ride.

"Androgynous" was exactly the word used at the time, once one got over how much the character looked like he could have stepped out of a print by Patrick Nagel. After all, Desire has never been satisfied with one gender or one of anything.

@@etherealceleste Death would have to be right winged to be counter cultured😆

agreed

I would agree but only because I didn't care about OG Cowboy Bebop, but Amazon's treatment of The Wheel of Time forces me to sympathize with Cowboy Bebop fans. aka FUCK THE ASSHOLES WHO SUBVERT CANON! :)

Yip, in fact, my copies are due for a re-read.

I totally agree, as far as that goes. My problem is losing respect for a beloved author bc he's doubling down to support the nonsense, while gaslighting real fans of his work.

@@utubebgay, I know what you mean, but I've worked hard to stop any form of hero worship in my life. I need to have the ability to separate art from the artists for my own sanity, because I can control interpretation more easily instead of letting the new ones ruin what I enjoyed about things initially. People also age and change and I'm sure Gaiman doesn't believe the things he did when he was younger and I'm sure with his new child he's looking to cash in. Woke storytelling won't last because there is nothing memorable about it.

tbh as long as it fits the part then I'm ok.

What diversity? There are Black people and White people. I read the comics as a teen, and my sister still has every single one. I always thought Death looked sort of Asian, which was really exciting to me as a half Asian person. So I was surprised to see the casting. Anyway I’ve come to learn that diversity usually means that they added Black people and LGBTQ and that’s about it.

@@samanthawhang7498 Looked asian? she was clearly a pale skin goth girl. Ones you see in Western highschool. No doubt she was not asian passing.

@@jmgonzales7701 You saw the character through your lense, Samantha saw it through hers. Thats the great thing about the less detailed style of comic art in this old books.

@@LeeDeeThe1 except the characters are clear.. Death for example is a PALE goth Girl with clear European feature, to some people she kinda looked Asian???? idk, but she clearly looked like ur typical goth girl.

@@Bacteriophagebs Tbf, most of the ones you listed diverged quite a lot from the original, some to the point where the original authors hated them.

I never said there wasn't no good adaptions but said almost everything still has some charge to the source material. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it but also some may not like it. It's hard to get the exact concept from turning a imaginary world into reality. That's why you kind of have to subvert your expectations and accept the cgi in films.

@@Bacteriophagebs fair enough

Fight Club and American Psycho were adapted well. Jurassic Park and Hellraiser are both good, though the original authors were involved with the screenplay so maybe they don't count? While I haven't read The Godfather and don't know how close it hewed to the novel, the movie was well-received. A few of the DC animated films were decent, not great, but fairly respectable.

she is a really good actress but she came across more like an eternal social worker, she absolutely nailed that one aspect of the character, her wisdom & empathy but totally failed on the other "peachy keen" aspect

i wasnt convinced she wasnt death i didnt like it, respect for the actress but still, katt dennigs would have done the trick with her voice and looks

The real question is why it always trades in one direction. I'm expecting a white actor portraying the Black Panther or MLK Jr. any second now. . . . . . . . . . . Still waiting..............

Or maybe you have low standards and to you is just good enough despite the differences in personality and looks so you demand everyone to lower the standards too in order to enjoy it. Is not how it works. Change something from a characters personality and looks and personally I'm already out of the immersion. "Whatever, this actor is definitely not X character. I'm watching a movie with people that don't care. Why am I watching this? Let's do something else".

It is the difference between trying to talk to someone and talking at someone. One is respectful, intentionally or no, to the autonomy of another. The other is just narcissism.

@@Bacteriophagebs deadpool constantly reviving after death and his life style in general is technically him flirting with death. and boy has he been flrting for a long ass time

@@Bacteriophagebs Oh trust me, i follow the story very closely. That insanity is just too fun not to love.

@@Bacteriophagebs firt with death :to deal playfully or carelessly (with something dangerous or serious); eg: the motorcyclist flirted with death. dead pool is constantly flirting with death. figuratively and literally

@@Bacteriophagebs deadpool isnt trying to commit suicide right ?

@@Bacteriophagebs so he wants to die but not soo much that he takes the ways he knows will do the trick ?

You don't care about black women? Wow. (jk)

Indeed... goes to show that the creator of this vid and most of those commenting just can't grasp the concept and wait and see... Absolutely fab show

You'd be perfectly fine with the entire cast being white and heterosexual?

@@otherwize12 most shows are.... there's catalogues of it with white hetro (i mean the main lead is exactly that).... stop being a drama queen.

@@DWaDDLJ Doesn't matter if most shows are, I asked if you would be fine with it, clearly by your reaction your not... Stop being a drama queen when (in your opinion) there's not enough diversity. Which off course can never be true because have you ever heard of Nollywood or Bollywood? Thousands of productions full of diversity, so statements like that are nonsense to begin with...

Gaiman is the writer here and cosigned the changes. It's not up to you

The majority of the public has tuned in to see and assess the series. Shocker - more woke, unrealistic, look at me … nonsense. So needy and desperate like children who didn’t get enough cookies.

@@suezcontours6653 I have every right to take the piss out of it.

Just like Cowboy Bebop.

Was your gut right?

Well she's great

They fucked constantine, but death was actually bether than i was expecting.

I agree, she fit the part spiritually very well. Because they nailed what truly mattered, I did not mind the race-swap that much.

@@ChadKakashi changes are fine as long as the story is good the actors are good and it doesn't get too preachy.

Great - now explain that to people who frequent casinos...

“I promise you a battle you cannot possibly win…”

She's brilliant as Death.

Actual Black or Mideast people wasn't quite as uncommon in parts of Europe as most people imagine it today (and it was portrayed in fiction traditionally). There was a Black bishop in medieval England once ie. So you can put in a "Moor" here or there in some historical contexts where we are not so used to them without breaking realism. But yes black Vikings does look silly.

Entirely new storylines wasn't part of the plan for the adaption though and unless they were also written by Gaiman could easily become embarassing.

Hum... so you pretty much want to introduce an entire canon divergence, in both a redundant way (since, as you said yourself, the replacement or renouncing of Endless is a central theme for all the other six) and extremely disruptive (Death dying would become THE centerstage event, let alone Destruction going from representing the positive side of giving up to manipulated by someone bad) ? All that because you think it'd be "less traumatic" for fans than a non-Caucasian actress ? Daniel Radcliffe has blue eyes, not green, and it's a significant detail in the books because J.K. Rowling brings it up All. The. Time. Still, do you think that we should change the story by making Voldemort having ripped the eyes of Harry as a child ? Don't you think that's a bit disrespectful In short, you truly seem to believe that Death's white skin (not her design, not her attitude, not her goth clothing) is the core to what Death are. To the point you'd rather see the original story completely modified, its themes ruined. That's exactly what you're claiming wokeness is doing.

u know he can lie right ?

@@chazzanovatron you know they had to change them because of copyright, right

@@Dookieman1975 im not as charitable towards him as i once was.

@@chazzanovatron how’s that a good thing

@@Dookieman1975 less likely to buy his bullshit

this, its almost like skincolor doesnt matter.....🙃

You can cast a black person to have an unnatural skin tone such as Zoe Saldana as Gamora. Death isn't Caucasian, she's pale chalk white.

@@matane2465 actors and production probably prefer to not have to apply heavy makeup all the time if they can avoid it. They also didn't make Morpheus inhuman looking like in the comics. Though it would probably have looked cool if she was literally black, as in, jet black.

@@matane2465 I ment they aren't human they are eternal beings so it doesn't even matter, even the sandman has a short scene where he is portrait as black, so it don't really matter. Ion care

While I understamd your point and agree with it there is still the fact that despite not having an specific form death was presented and described in a certain way (not caucasian but pale white). For me was not a problem at all and even loved death in the show but I can get how some real fan who maybe loved the chara ter the way it was initially presented being changed could be disapointing or even frustrating. Plus I could even take a leap and say that woke pandering burnout and Netflix negative history with adaptations had some weight in this topic.

the reason people hate woke junk it because it corrupts the adaptation even when the source material is available. and because the stories they write up are poor

I mean For me the problem isn't having diverse People in it But force them over the plot

@@SubZero-hs9xc That's the point, though. I think back to when I was watching Agents of SHIELD and there was one side character who mentioned he was gay, but it never really came up again. I think, maybe, he mentioned wanting to check on his partner in another episode, but for the most part he just played his role and that was that. You learned he was gay, but his being gay wasn't something that was focused on, instead they focused on his powers and the help he offered the team.

@@SubZero-hs9xc Actually, people hated Original Trek when it came out. Uhura actress received hateful mail while her actual fan mail wasn't delivered to her. So 60 years from now, people are going to look at the "woke" era and be thankful the same way audiences today are looking back at OG Trek as the wholesome. It wasn't wholesome to viewers back then

So glad to see comments like this. I haven't read the comics, to be fair, but I did watch the series and then go watch Neil Gaiman breaking down the trailer for it, during which he talked about casting and why certain changes were made, and why certain people were selected to fill roles. And he had a reason for every one, that wasn't pandering. And the series was _so_ much fun to watch, I watched episode 1 before work and the rest of the show that night. Arcane is the only other show recently that drew me in like that.

From a comic fan death seemed off. Also I'm black and it's very cringe when we are forced into a roll and not naturally put, please don't go woke stop using our race as a cannon fodder for social justice warriors. This comic is very diverse as it is, so it comes off woke and disturbing. My girlfriend is black to and thought it was very forced. Our opinions as black comic readers... this show will likely please woke comic readers, or just woke people overall. I'm not hating but woke will just drive away money and fans like so.... but it could never hold a candle to shows that leads with natural diversity not forced cringe.

@@bobbythorton7693 the number one show on Netflix across the world right now is driving people away cos they "forcibly" cast a black actress...in an episode that has been the most lauded... Your dropped your 🧢

This all cool and all, but too much of it can ruin good experience.

@@faith4657 how the f can it ever be too much... about 40% of the cast white male...17% is both black male and female...do rest of the maths equating in white females, both male and female Asians...and one and two non binary... It the existence of any other person who's not a white cis male ruins things for u... then u are the problem... not the show

May I ask did you read a comic? I know this sounds like a snobish, gate keeping question, but that is not my intention. The thing is, I just couldn't enjoy the show, because it was so toned and watered down in comparison to the comic. While watching I constantly had a moments where I thought, ''this could have been done better'' or ''that does not feel in character''. I can recognize the quality of the show, but I know it could have been so much better. Every change they done is for the worse, and that makes it really hard to enjoy it for me.

@@pucifer92 I know what you're saying I just left a long rent on the official Netflix trailer on KZfaq My two main groups were the casting of yes you guessed it death and despair. The black actress that played death did a perfect job I can't fault her, it's just that when I think of death I see this short white petite goth chick! And despair has to be a short fat naked Japanese woman with rats crawling all over her! otherwise it's not despair l

@@pucifer92 as a reader of the book back then and then again just a month ago: it was alright. Way better stuff out there IMO. Gaiman is overrated. Only really good story is cereal convention. The show is just average. Nothing to write home about. It’s about what I expected from the platform.

I truly love his Sandman works. It was one of the defining bookings that were given to me when I was teen by my neighbour (I think I have 10 of his Sandman comic novels). This same neighbour gave me works like 'Maus' and some others I can't remember at the moment. One of my favourite characters was actually Wanda which is surprising because around that time I was very transphobic. But Neil Gaiman actually made me empathise and cry for that character, especially at that scene where, after she dies, her friend Barbie came to her tombstone and used lipstick to scratch off -Alvin- and put Wanda, instead. I don't know, something about that got me in my feels lol.

​@@pucifer92Tbh, I'm not one to be excited for live-action adaptations of movies. I haven't watched the show yet, but I will give it a try just because it's Neil Gaiman's work.

Progressivism has always been authoritarian. Woodrow Wilson had his critics arrested.

I'm not sure what you mean as in the novels were woke it made no all out statements of gender or race and it certainly didn't favour any in particular. The graphic novels were done by an artist's interpretation and characters like Satan the endless and many others would be open to debate because they would appear in variations depending on there objective or an individual's dream a lot of the novels felt feminine and fantasy like because of the imagination of the design but the series was dark with many small masculine piece's intertwining .I've just watched the first episode and it was good it did go straight in with a gay relationship but it didn't feel overly thrown in but the end shows a what's to come now I'm not racist or homophobic but the amount of change from how I interpreted the novels look's massive to the point it's gone past having a comfortable mix of people and just outright outcast anybody who's not black gay or female . Ile keep watching to see how it goes I'm just so disappointed by movies and series new or old adaptations it seems more offensive to me than token black guy gay guy or lesbian woman because unless your in one of them relationships you would rarely come by them so token guys were a more realistic interpretation of a type of people and life for most

black/bissexual/trans is no longer "counter culture" though

From a pure production perspective it's probably preferable to chose a form that doesn't constantly need heavy makeup and/or CGI though, ie, Dream´s black eyes. That's not a problem in a comic.

@@batmanimal5993 I really didn't get your point.

@@TheIggyfuzz i got it. the point is that your comment is full of shit. sure the comics had "woke" things in it, but none were ever any main focus or at the forefront. just admit Gaiman sold out and didn't care for his fans. especially the thousands or even millions of pale white goth chics that identified with death. I bet the only reason the series was greenlit was Neil having to cave in and making Death black just because Netflix wanted it or no $ and no series. shit they probably bribed him with more $ 😂

Lol yes it was.

@@doublestarships646 why because their were gender less.

Gaiman's Sandman works have always been "woke", it's just that you tolerate it becuase you like it and it came out before the time people were complaining about perceived "wokeness" post 2015. Trust me, if the 2008 Princess and The Frog movie were to have come out today, you lot would have been complaining about it being "woke" because Tiana is black and prince Naveen is 'Maldonian' (which is just a Maldives-inspired country) - they were a race-swap. You would have said it was "forced diversity" and that the directors were trying to fill out "diversity quotas" and get "diversity brownie points". And you also would have complained about it being feminist since Tiana is headstrong and a bossbae for most the movie since she was very self-sufficient and about her business and her ambitions, unlike Naveen. You guys would also be complaining about The Sandman comic novels being woke if they had come out today, as well. This is why I think 'woke' just means nowadays "anything I don't like": an overused buzzword.

Nope

@@Himmyjewett wth do you mean no?

@@mr_indie_fan just no you are down right wrong

@@Himmyjewett listen, i don't know if the story was woke or not but when something is woke there is no changing that. Woke = woke. You cant even provide an arguement other then "your wrong" or "nope" so im not going to start this with you.

@@mr_indie_fan the story isn't woke Also woke = woke is down dumb to say. By your logic a story like Superman smashing the klan is bad and dumb

Actually, people hated Original Trek when it came out. Uhura actress received hateful mail while her actual fan mail wasn't delivered to her. So 60 years from now, people are going to look at the "woke" era and be thankful the same way audiences today are looking back at OG Trek as the wholesome. It wasn't wholesome to viewers back then

@@suezcontours6653 I guess the real difference is that the old things put Woke stuff inside but they didn’t Broadcast that they did it. Bigoted Americans had to actually tune in to the show to see White Kirk kiss Black Uhura. Instead of having such things actually hyped up in a “Nener Nener take that racists” way.

@@davidw.2791 that's because social media didn't exist back then.

@@chrissiemudpuppy1179 It also didn’t exist in 1989 but that didn’t stop angry fans from writing in “Michael Keaton will be a shit Batman” letters. Again, cuz the studio broadcast the casting news. (Not that they shouldn’t have.)

This is one of the sentiments that echoes through the ages. Things were always better before, and the new ways of thinking and acting, the new and evolving social norms, are ever on the cusp of destroying society as a whole. it was true in the 50's, it was true in the 20's, it's been true for as long as we've had society.

I was hoping that that's where they were going with this... But I doubt that Netflix will do that.

True. If they played around with that I would be totally into it, but have Death appear for the most part as she does for the vast majority of time in the comics.

God no

People whining about Death’s casting and ESPECIALLY Desire’s are fucking babies.

So you've chosen the dumbest ideologies possible?

"As a conservative/libertarian..." Stopped reading there.

Yup the show was gaining steam, with sound of her wing and Hobb being a fabulous episode, then it became a strange corny comedy with serial killers, felt alot like Preacher.

@@Aedeus Oh…I love the preacher!!

The show had such great momentum till episode 8, the only thing that kept me going was the Corinthian

Yeah rose is a far better character in the books and she doesn't overstay her welcome I'm listening to them on audible right now actually I'm on act 2 SpoilerWarning For the books and possibly season 2 I'm at the park where the gods have come to see morpheus because Lucifer gave him the keys to h*** and they all want To claim the kingdom of their own for different reasonsBut the demons of h*** haven't gotten there and told him that they have the mortal woman he wasn't love withThat he sent to h*** for killing herself Rather than being with him I don't know yet but I'm thinking hes going to give the keys somebody else and then find out after and have to go with your recipes that's just my guess though

It's the difference between an effective message vs propaganda. The former seeks to convince people to consider different ideas that might be counter to their own beliefs. The latter is intended for people who already agree with them to jerk off to their own confirmation bias and give the illusion of inevitable hegemony.

Thanks for sayng it

They aren't the same thing , you're spot on .

@@richspeck8932 I believe in this case you have defined the word "woke" differently then JSG and now you are fighting your strawman of it. Overall this video made sense if you ignore his strawmaning of what other people (his opponents? ) think or believe which was few sentences (less then 5% of the video) Well I still think that beyond the feud we can all agree that good story is what is important. And when adapting somebody else's work keeping with the themes and meanings without adding your own is also important.

Yep. I saw some poor fan on FB post on a forum about his disliking the Annabeth casting because it wasn't anything like what the books described. He was respectful of the young actress, in no way abusive towards or rude about her, but she just wasn't anything like the character he'd visualized since reading the books as a child, the same problem he'd had with the casting choices of the movie adaptations, so he personally planned not to watch the series. And to my sadness but no surprise whatsoever, the poor guy was immediately dogpiled by people calling him a racist. "It's a fictional character who could be any color, just admit you hate seeing black people on screen."

No, because sure, you can be disappointed if you were particularly attached to her being blonde or something (which is something I’ll never understand. Or that I understand too much. I mean, no matter who they pick, they will never look like the character YOU imagined, so why care at all?And it’s not like the version in your head suddenly disappears either). But the backlash Annabeth’s acting is facing is some straight up bullshit, and good on Rick for defending this kid

Dringenberg still gets credit and whatever royalties he would otherwise be due.

Knowing Gaiman, yeah, he probably asked Dringenberg.