Netflix's BEEF - Empathy and Transcendence

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Mean Pomeranians

Mean Pomeranians

Жыл бұрын

In this second part, we discuss Steven Yuen and Ali Wong's masterful performances and share our thoughts on what this show means. For us, it has something to do with empathy and transcendence, about the failures of language and communication, a kind of love that cannot be described, or at least an understanding.
#beef #beefnetflix #stevenyeun #aliwong #korea
Show Notes: CeCe is a professional singer, songwriter and voice actor. James is a philosopher, drummer and film theorist. Taking a particular film as a launching point, we talk openly about the lives of artists, travelers, and other intrepid souls.
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Podcast produced and engineered by James Batcho.

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@user-dv2yc3si8r
@user-dv2yc3si8r Жыл бұрын
I tried therapy for the first time during the pandemic and only now I'm realising that I was worrying about the feelings of the therapist...
@thegumbychronicles4892
@thegumbychronicles4892 Жыл бұрын
Therapists don't want their patients to get better, it's bad for business.
@bingoing
@bingoing Жыл бұрын
​@@thegumbychronicles4892 What? If they are good and help their patients solve their issues they get recommendations, that makes absolutely no sense.
@jaxong.2701
@jaxong.2701 Жыл бұрын
@@thegumbychronicles4892 They'll legit say ignorant things to make people go away if their insurance isn't kicking in quickly enough. They're terrible people. And doctors. Had a workers comp and had to go to appointed doctors who had to act "sterile"- no, these people act like DEMONS. Made me look at the entire health Industry like it's hollywierd. Just strange ass mf demons. These are doctors whose patients LOVE them! The fact that they can switch it up and gaslight you is deeply disturbing. Shifted my entire perspective.
@blitztim6416
@blitztim6416 Жыл бұрын
Empathy. That made me think of when they started speaking the same and then Danny is Ali and vice versa.
@Neo-ti2rz
@Neo-ti2rz Жыл бұрын
I agree that people need someone to fight with or confront. Its easier than confronting their own reality.
@Updog89
@Updog89 Жыл бұрын
I’m not Asian but I’m Latina and you just helped me understand better why therapy hasn’t worked super well for me. I always feel like I have to do my therapists “homework” and feel a certain way after, and I don’t feel comfortable questioning or pushing back because it makes me feel like a failure or ingrate or something. And instead of feeling free and uplifted it just feels like another relationship I have to manage and perform in. Further complicating things is that my therapist is a white guy and there are certain aspects of my experience that I have to go out of my way to explain to him, or he doesn’t even consider to ask me about in the first place. He’s not a bad therapist but I don’t think we are a good fit.
@muditafeeler8271
@muditafeeler8271 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm considering switching to a female therapist myself... I hope you and I can both find solid ones in our price range!
@Seacai150
@Seacai150 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree, Steven shines in this role and owned it. The entire rest of the cast...that was some incredible acting as well. I believed every second of this story. It was so well written too, I absolutely loved this series. The psychedelic awakening and personal connection was perfect.
@beatpirate8
@beatpirate8 Жыл бұрын
I’m so impressed w Steven Yuen! Just in awe by first episode. When he chewed those fries binging and throwing up. And swallowing it in… stuffing it all down. I have seen this man rage. He played it so well.
@ligli500
@ligli500 Жыл бұрын
I really loved this two part discussion of the series, I easily could have listened to an hour(+)-long version of this! One of the highlights was how you explained Danny's line of Western therapy not working on Eastern minds, which I hadn't fully understood as I was watching the show. You mentioned how Asian women are programmed/expected to be docile, submissive, subservient, always smiling, nice to people you have to deal with, etc. This made me think of two things: 1) As a 1.5 gen Taiwanese woman, I TOTALLY get this! I think a lot of the pressure comes from the fact that Asian countries tend to be collectivistic. From a young age, I was taught that how I appeared in public and interacted with others was a reflection of my family, my culture, my people. I need to be smiling and kind (to a fault) not because I inherently feel like smiling, but because I need to represent my family/country well. I really felt this in Ali Wong's performance -- the tightness of her smile is something I deeply recognize. It's also a *completely* different smile from when she's genuinely having a good time with Paul in Vegas. A third entirely different smile is when she's chased after Danny once he's driven off because he's peed in her bathroom. It's a subconscious smile that she doesn't even realize she's making, and it feels...creaky, almost? As if she's not used to letting herself enjoy something especially something so *naughty* or bad? 2) More on Ali Wong: I can't think of a single other Asian actor who could have played the role of Amy, BECAUSE it's so rare to see female Asian characters be anything other than docile (kind, nerdy, etc.) -- let alone shades of angry. The closest would be roles that lean into the "Dragon Lady" stereotype (urgh) which is usually played for laughs in modern media. Honestly, seeing an angry Asian woman on screen felt a little scandalous at times. As someone who's spent years in therapy trying to get in touch with my anger, I wish I had had this kind of representation at a much younger age to know it was even an option. Thanks for listening to my TedTalk, and thanks for this great discussion guys! I wish there was more, I really loved hearing your perspectives (:
@loredanacm
@loredanacm Жыл бұрын
Two things, I am not an English speaker but thanks to the good diction and the subtitles I can understand. And I really liked your analysis.
@k1988smith
@k1988smith Жыл бұрын
I like Kim's Convenience! Empathy and Transcendence would be a beautiful start for an award introduction, which I hope this show wins many of!
@HumanBean520
@HumanBean520 Жыл бұрын
Love your guys minds! I loved this show, I binged the whole thing. Being Korean American this show really hit home on many levels
@haneby1114
@haneby1114 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned Danny thinks more like the Korean way like he smiles when facetime his parents like everything is ok....,but then later he told his parents what happened with Paul and Kayla....something which parents would worry about that your son's been catfished...maybe he didn't tell them the full story..but who knows
@BrodinYT
@BrodinYT Жыл бұрын
SPOILERS: Now That I Think About Jordana And How She Died, It’s Representative Of Her Split Between Amy And Naomi. Half Of Her Left In The Chaos With Any And Half In The Safe Space With Naomi (Who Ironically Kills Her). Naomi Splitting Jordana In Half Shows How Fast She Was To Cut Ties With Jordana. Literally. Why Naomi Had Jordana Sexually, Amy Had Jordana’s Mind. Amy Was Always On Her Mind. Naomi Got Jealous Cus She Wanted Both Halves Of Her. She Did Get The Upper Half Eventually. XD Also Jordana Had A Western Superiority Complex While Making Racist Remarks About Amy’s Koyohaus Line And Her Dating Naomi Who Was Submissive To Her Whim And Was Basically AT Trophy Asian Wife.
@urvivyas4321
@urvivyas4321 Жыл бұрын
Amazing interpretation!
@Anwarmeahkat
@Anwarmeahkat Жыл бұрын
Please do more!
@animerose18
@animerose18 Жыл бұрын
Love this commentary! As American born Chinese, I never really thought about the 1.5 vs the generation after me but that is spot on!
@icantfindmyphone
@icantfindmyphone Жыл бұрын
Thx for doing this!!
@pablox_6997
@pablox_6997 Жыл бұрын
Incredible content, hope you get more views
@moresnetp6657
@moresnetp6657 Жыл бұрын
Agree
@tbam73
@tbam73 Жыл бұрын
Steven has been doing incredible work for years. Unfortunately, he is never in the conversation, which Unfortunately doesn't shock me.
@Neo-ti2rz
@Neo-ti2rz Жыл бұрын
Great point
@sarafernandesdelrey7840
@sarafernandesdelrey7840 Жыл бұрын
Listen toooo ‘a it of a hero’ yaaaiiii
@moresnetp6657
@moresnetp6657 Жыл бұрын
I genuinely enjoyed your video
@H0mertax
@H0mertax Жыл бұрын
Who was the author or philospher mentioned at 7:55 ? That sounded interesting
@meanpomeranians
@meanpomeranians Жыл бұрын
Gilles Deleuze. The book is "What is Philosophy?" which he wrote with Felix Guattari.
@magnify_coffee
@magnify_coffee Жыл бұрын
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