Network Address Translation - Computerphile
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11 жыл бұрынIPv4 ran out of space, so how are we still all looking at the internet? - NAT has the answer! - Richard Mortier explains how the IP address space was expanded upon.
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@mirageh264 9 жыл бұрын
Sooo, this 10 minute discussion of NAT made way more sense then the 1 week discussion of the same topic in my networks course at my university. I'm not sure how I feel about that
@stevenschiro1838 8 жыл бұрын
To put it a little simpler, imagine your house with 10 devices on the internet (laptops, desktops, game consoles, etc). Those don't have their own external IP address (the one on the internet). You only have 1 for your modem/router, and your router then forwards a packet to each device based on the port # and internal IP address. This is why you need to set up port forwarding if you've ever played an online game, so that when a packet hits your router on a certain port, it knows which computer to send it to
@gooeychocolatechipcookie5935 11 жыл бұрын
what he explained was overloading, or PAT(port address translation). But it was still a very nice explanation of PAT. just clarifying.
@mina86 11 жыл бұрын
If you want a computer inside your network to accept connections, it must be configured in NAT. This is called “port forwarding” and it instructs NAT that if it gets a connection to (say) port 80, it should direct it to (say) 10.0.0.1:80 in the private network. If there is no such configuration, incoming connections will be dropped. If incoming packet is part of already established connection, NAT just looks at destination port and maintains a state mapping it to ip:port in local network.
@DoctorCobweb 11 жыл бұрын
thankyou for uploading more of this guy. he explains things so clearly (as do all the others). going to rewatch them all soon. keep up the awesomeness.
@KarlBeeThree Жыл бұрын
Finally, a rational, clear explanation of how NAT works and how it's implemented. Thanks !!
@Aemilindore 8 жыл бұрын
University of Notingham is awesome. you guys have conversant professors! I also love Nottingham for the fact that Robbin lived there!! Regards from Sri Lanka.
@rlamacraft 11 жыл бұрын
Im starting a degree in Computer Science in a couple of weeks and these videos are getting me really excited for my course - brilliant videos, every single one :)
@modus_ponens 11 жыл бұрын
I would appreciate subtitles. He's talking quite quietly and quickly about complex things.
@PlayStationKing 9 жыл бұрын
nice, keep up the good work computerphile
@IzzyIkigai 11 жыл бұрын
There are now also ISPs that use IPv4 NAT instead of upgrading to IPv6, so it could happen that your "external" address of your router is in fact an IP address in a private range. This can severely impact some software, for example games or remote desktop solutions. A colleague of mine had the problem with Teamviewer on one of the German cable networks.
@footballhighlightsbynyakwa4679 8 ай бұрын
You guys are my heroes, me who has no computer science background but I am learning how to develop softwares by myself. These videos are extremely helpful. God bless you all
@Gverri 11 жыл бұрын
My favorite KZfaq Channel. Keep the good stuff going!
@CaitlinJoRamsey 10 жыл бұрын
Brady, it would be helpful to have a video focused on NAT or IPv6, or port-forwarding. I've been trying to solve a networking problem: connecting from a remote unix machine (a laptop--meaning I could be anywhere) to a database engine (SQL server) residing on my home network. I've learned more about networking than I ever wanted to know--just in tinkering to get to my database! But now I'm intrigued...
@h.oliabak 9 жыл бұрын
What tools did you use for creating this animation? Amazing!
@timsr 10 жыл бұрын
The first time I ran into a NAT problem I was trying to host a Warcraft 3 map online. Port forwardings at my router didn't work, I had to use something called "port triggering".
@CppExpedition 5 ай бұрын
👏👏thx i have that question for so long time, noone had explained me before that the translation not just translate the IP local to global, but also it translate THE PORT number!
@Kram1032 11 жыл бұрын
it's also compensated by that mesmerizing animated avatar you have there.
@meganisturtlecameron 11 жыл бұрын
its really nice for this to be explained to be !
@jawharomeryaba8696 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos
@Teck_1015 11 жыл бұрын
thanks...thank you very much that clears things up a lot
@Aldwyns 11 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@linkinsyed 10 жыл бұрын
can you please amplify the voice data? hardly able to hear.
@HotelInfinity 11 жыл бұрын
Upvoted for the GIF :)
@simonzhou8416 4 жыл бұрын
this is great, the cissp textbook only explains how ip addresses are translated but never mentioned port number translation.
@ksng767 11 жыл бұрын
As a person who had very little computer science knowledge, I found this harder to understand than quantum physics, and I love it.
@MertonLansley 11 жыл бұрын
What effect does the NAT type have, Type 2 for example, or Strict, moderate and open.
@jan709 11 жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a vidieo about the transition to ipv6? I would really like to know what the biggest challanges are and why it is taking so long, a lot of devices seem to have some ipv6 functionality already.
@DaffyDaffyDaffy33322 11 жыл бұрын
7:06 I run a server behind a router. I've had to deal with all of these problems at one point or another. It's really annoying when my router is all like "CHANGE PLACES!!" and remaps all the private addresses.
@ColinRichardson 10 жыл бұрын
With the arrival of IP6, (and lets laugh at the thought that the world all moves over to it eventually), would this be the end of NAT/PAT's needed? Is there an advantage/disadvantage to each home PC having a unique IP address and not a private internal one? I as this as a Small Company / Home user point of view.
@majiddehbi9186 4 жыл бұрын
thanks sir that was so clear
@ZacAttack1322 10 жыл бұрын
how do i switch my strict nat type to open?... my ps4 says that my router has a nat type of 2 but when i go to play games it says my ant type is strict and i cant connect to my friends.. i dont get it...
@amak1131 11 жыл бұрын
We have IPv6 (v5 was skipped?) which allows for as MUCH larger pool of addresses. Many modern OSes and routers support it, but numerous older ones do not and some ISPs appear to be slow in implementing it.
@trzykawki 11 жыл бұрын
I guess the assumption is that the outbound connection happens first and that allows NAT to assign a unique IP:port combination to this specific request and then store it in a table along with the original IP:port pair.
@WombatDakk 11 жыл бұрын
It might be just me, but i would love to see a video about port forwarding, having had to do it for several different games/programs, i still don't understand what it does exactly.
@RemixPicture 11 жыл бұрын
A lot of counties are already using IPv6, though the US has a lot more IPv4 adresses than the rest of us so they keep using it. There's still some things to work out with IPv6 and there's still a lot of companies running old hardware that doesn't have IPv6 enabled which messes things up. Going from IPv4 to IPv6 is a big step and you pretty much need everyone to be able to take it at the same time.
@TrolIification 11 жыл бұрын
because the NAT makes it hard to discover a private address does this add a layer of security?
@ivahardy4885 6 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a video on CIDR Notation!
@gio_ 11 жыл бұрын
I get the outgoing translation, but how does the incoming translation process work? I don't get how the hub knows to which local IP to send the data to if there's no indication where it is coming from. Especially since you're limited to the amount of ports.
@locust76 11 жыл бұрын
UDP doesn't need any special trickery to be address translated. The PAT process isn't looking for sessions, it's looking at source and destination port pairs. Since UDP packets still have a source and destination port, they're translated without issue. Incoming port forwarding is the same.
@wesmatron 11 жыл бұрын
Good one
@Tyranisaur 11 жыл бұрын
So how does NAT come into play when you're playing games online and it tells you that you have either strict, moderate or open NAT?
@Pentium100MHz 11 жыл бұрын
It works, but not for all protocols, for example, FTP uses two connections - one for control and one for data, the server sends its IP/port over the control connection and the client connects to it (passive mode). Now the FTP server software has to be modified to figure its external IP first. Some routers can rewrite te IP in the packet, but not for all protocols (and not for encrypted connections). However, NAT has other uses than just to save some IP addresses.
@adavewiley 11 жыл бұрын
I take a break from work to... go back to work. :-) Do you mind if I throw in some questions frame tunnelling? I'm a bit stuck on VXLAN at the moment. :-)
@PoweredMinecart 11 жыл бұрын
Do I need a router in my house if I only have one device using the internet connection?
@soup2634 10 жыл бұрын
Port forwarding. Now I understand you :)))
@lefear2 11 жыл бұрын
IPv5 wasn't skipped it was given to the Internet Stream Protocol sometime in the late 70's which never saw widespread adoption. So when a new Internet Protocol was being designed it was assigned the next version number - IPv6
@dkukov 11 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video explaning the difference between a router, switch and a hub?
@LittlePeng9 11 жыл бұрын
My opinion on what MUST appear on this channel is what actually is an algorithm. We had lesson about sorting algorithms, but not on algorithms in general.
@Jake9066 11 жыл бұрын
boenrobot is absolutely correct. They'd be using either 192.168.x.x, 172.16.x.x, or 10.x.x.x or there are also ways to reuse the same IP in multiple network segments, but if that is done knowing routing information (especially the router interface used) becomes important
@blidge8282 11 жыл бұрын
IPv6 is superior to v4 in almost every way. The transition will occur naturally as older devices are replaced and it becomes more cost effective to implement IPv6 and cover any gaps with dual stacks.
@maartentbm 9 жыл бұрын
NAT sounds more complicated than introducing IPv6 to me. Doesn't global use of NAT also require changes in the software of lots of devices (like what in this video is called the gateway of a home or university campus network), just like introducing IPv6 would?
@ChrisEelmaa 9 жыл бұрын
***** not an expert here, but I would assume that implementing NAT is easy, it's just a mapping table on a router which keeps track of the traffic, and modifies the ports. Could be introduced as an automatic update to router firmware, and that's it. That's all you have to do, update one router and you cover whole network. Ipv6 on the other hand - every device needs to be updated in the network, which clearly, will take quite a lot of time. That's the difference, NAT is transparent, while ipv6 is not.
@maartentbm 9 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!
@BGBTech 11 жыл бұрын
it also gets remapped, but it is a bit more problematic given it is connectionless. UDP-based protocols then have to often go through a bit of extra hassle to figure out the correct port-numbers and similar, but it works...
@Keduce22 11 жыл бұрын
Better than most my professors and lecturers
@tretronthedragon 11 жыл бұрын
i had a lot of trouble with my XBOX because my NAT type was closed. and port forwarding didn't work. after i seen this video i suddenly solft it :o thank you!
@MrLevtastic 11 жыл бұрын
The website I maintain at work has had visits from a 10.*.*.* address - I contacted the hosting provider of our server and they say the connection didn't come from their network - so this private IP address must have been used on the public internet, and I was unable to track down where it came from. I assume this must be because of NAT? It's really a problem when tracking down suspicious behaviour.
@ButzPunk 11 жыл бұрын
So next up is port forwarding?
@mina86 11 жыл бұрын
First of all, 65536. Second of all, you need to remove some edge cases like 128.243.0.0 or 128.243.255.255 so it's actually a bit less then that. But third of all, the way you design network is by dividing it into sub-networks. So for instance, department of Mathematics may get 128.243.0-15.*, department of Computer Science may get 128.243.32-63.*, and so on. In those cases, some departments may run out of addresses even though there are addresses available in different sub-networks.
@sapphirestone4017 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. But, boost up the volume a bit, hardly able to hear.
@BlokenArrow 11 жыл бұрын
When I was an IT technician, I used to use 10.100.0.0/16 as my live network and 172.16.0.0/16 as my "something is wrong" troubleshooting addresses. If a trace-route revealed a 172.16.x.x address, then I knew that one of the connections was bad, and with a little cleverness, I could almost always figure out which one it was on the first try. I liked NAT, and was sad when the network finally went to ipv6.
@TheWhitePianoKeyProductions 11 жыл бұрын
I know that he meant that? It would still take a while to wright them all and then sync them, I have done it once, and just syncing them took like an hour or something, it's really time consuming. Also, if everyone can upload subs, there would be a lot of stupid onces. Maybe brady can have the ability to make subs and sent them to him, then he can see if they are good and add them.
@WombatDakk 11 жыл бұрын
Ah okay, thank you, that makes it a little clearer. I thought it was "if information comes through this port, skip the router and send it directly to computer a/b/c" Even when im the only pc on a network i've had to set up portforwarding though. :)
@kaitlyn__L 11 жыл бұрын
that requires pretty much an entirely new backbone at every part of the network. ipv6 servers, ipv6 isps, ipv6 routers in people's homes even. old OSes aren't able to make sense of ipv6 either, so it really is a complete overhaul
@Goues 11 жыл бұрын
So, that problem at the end is solved by port mapping on my router, right?
@thinkwithportal 11 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on network DMZ's?
@geraldinejns 9 жыл бұрын
I am a new IT Consultant @ the Veteran's Community Resource Center located in Miami FL. How much does it cost to rent your brain? I went to the library and took out a book called EXAM CRAM 2 Network+, it sucks. I need a good book that will actually explain it the way you do. I'm actually looking at all of the Computerphile videos on KZfaq.
@Gubber 11 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear more about how Nat Punch Through actually works.
@BGBTech 11 жыл бұрын
while IPv6 is probably the eventual solution, I have wondered sometimes if an IP-suffix system could have also worked (as a compromise). basically, packets would daisy-chain 2 IP headers, with the first having the global IP and the second a local IP. ex: 243.119.24.31-10.0.169.173:6942. this would then effectively give a 64-bit address space, while still being routable over IPv4. then things are fudged in the network stacks to make it all work... also, sort of like an inverted VPN...
@keithrozario6434 11 жыл бұрын
Moving to IPV6 is a tremendous challenge because a lot of older routers/network devices don't support IPV6. TO suddenly mandate everyone use it would be a disaster. NAT is basically extending ipv4 capacity, the same a hotel extends it's phone network capacity by giving every room an extension number rather than an actual phone line.
@GothAlice 11 жыл бұрын
Those terms are somewhat ambiguous, and different games will have different meaning for them. Generally with open NAT the game is able to request your router to forward an incoming port to the game, you effectively become a server. Strict means it was unable to do so. Moderate may mean it was able to "punch through" your firewall using a variety of tricks (UDP, not TCP), but such solutions may be sub-optimal or flakey.
@jan709 11 жыл бұрын
That privacy benefit sounds a bit weird, aren't there things like tor for that?
@photosinensis 11 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of backbone switches controlled by ISPs and second tier providers that are incredibly expensive and do not support IPv6. The transition will take a long time.
@pikuorguk 11 жыл бұрын
Suppose my ISP is doing NAT because it's run out of its allocation of IP addresses for the number of customers it has... what IP addresses is it going to give out to new customers? It can't give out 192.168.x.x or other private ones because that'd confuse the NAT in everyone's router, but that means it needs to give out public IP addresses... but they're all gone...
@jan709 11 жыл бұрын
it would make home networks much less of a hassle, i have had a lot of nat related problems. I also can't imagine ISPs being completely fine with having to implement layers upon layers of nat of ther own.
@Sirpackerfan8812 11 жыл бұрын
OMG IT ALL MAKES SENSE
@leadbyexample108 11 жыл бұрын
It is for the same reason that many industries and companies still use XP and haven't moved to Win7, which is because it simply works. Moving to IPv6 would require a huge amount of work an cooperation across the globe, and you can't guarantee that each computer/server/mainframe/workstation is compatible with IPv6.
@eideticex 11 жыл бұрын
See 802.3 ethernet frame structure. Both source and destination MAC are packaged near the start of the frame.
@mina86 11 жыл бұрын
If it came from public Internet, it means that your hosting providers routers are misconfigured. Packets whose source or destination address falls within a private address space, must be dropped by the router that connects private network to public Internet. It's far more likely, that the packet did originate from within the hosting site's network.
@ArnimSommer 11 жыл бұрын
When will you talk about CARP?
@BGBTech 11 жыл бұрын
yes and no. yes: in that ports are mapped and translated directly via the router (it doesn't need to care what they contain). no: in that the higher-level (application) protocols often need to be more aware what the public IP and ports are in order to work correctly, so sometimes the protocol needs some mechanism to figure this out (usually during a "handshake" process or similar). OTOH, with TCP, more of the details are often abstracted over, so it is less often an issue.
@marshalcraft 8 жыл бұрын
his analogy was kinda unrelated or wrong. If something in the application layer refered the ip address, it is breaking the abstraction layers. The software should have referenced its location abstractly in the abstraction layer. But then NAT is wrong for requiring ip and tcp or udp layers. But unrelated to what he talked about.
@iRTheUnknown 11 жыл бұрын
Something he did not explain very well is that the relabeling is only done in the Source port when the packet is going out and that when it packet arrives back, that "fake relabled port" is now on the destination port. The reason being google (for instance) still needs to know that the packet is going to port 80, receiving "18" would not work as the packet would be rejected.
@necromancerpencil 11 жыл бұрын
Because Sean likes people asking that on every video.
@BakedStones 11 жыл бұрын
Well, that's all very nice
@lolmovies7 11 жыл бұрын
this guy gave me a lecture at the Uni
@MrRocketRat 11 жыл бұрын
128.243.*.* is reserved for the University of Nottingham which is enough addresses for 70,225 computers (256*256) and that isn't enough? I know where I want to go to University.
@PontusWelin 11 жыл бұрын
Why aren't ISPs using ipv6? It would solve some big problems, wouldn't it? And I don't understand what problems it would some with.
@matthewkeen6281 6 ай бұрын
Nice.
@100kevinrules 11 жыл бұрын
you can have gifs as your avatar?
@dezent 11 жыл бұрын
How about raising the level on computerphile? i guess numberphile and the other channels have pretty clever and complex questions when this is beginner stuff.
@jan709 11 жыл бұрын
thanks
@cgdermot 9 жыл бұрын
Hence the need to use ipconfig /renew in Win cmd all the time.
@JaredReabow 11 жыл бұрын
for most home routers the ip is 192.168.1.254, some of you guys at home type that into your address bar and press enter you will be directed to your home router
@tinyw777 11 жыл бұрын
Oh so that's what NAT stands for when i do my port mapping?
@chexo3 8 жыл бұрын
But, this will only hold out for so long. IPv6 has many benefits over IPv4, besides more addresses.
@zantrua 11 жыл бұрын
I like the line printer paper.
@billy653 11 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about torrenting?
@ShaunDreclin 11 жыл бұрын
It's a standard in... I forget now, but some programmer nerd thing ;D Odd numbers are test/development builds, even numbers are release builds. Something like that.
@jan709 11 жыл бұрын
I guess NAT gained the upper hand over the introduction of ipv6 because it can be implemented on one party without the other noticing it?
@dutubsucks 11 жыл бұрын
As someone who has studied this kind of thing I found his explanation to be a lot more complex than how I would've easily described it. His version is more correct but unnecessarily complex.
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