yeah I mean come on who in the right mind would find a exploit and not do it

White knight gamers, I suppose. ... or big testers. I've bug tested before and reported bugs and exploits. Of course, I was offered things in return for finding the bugs, so the difference between outright bug testing for profit and exploiting something enough to be found out is somewhat fuzzy.

Exploiting is in the terms of service.Breaking the terms of service is a bannable offense,end of story.Dont want to follow there rules dont play there game.

DjangoEX I'm talking exactly ABOUT the terms of service. And what shouldn't be in there.

Cheese but it is in there. If you don't like it, don't play there. If they don't have an audience, game either dies or they'll change something until people come back.

Rei Lumiere I've personally never tried to find or use an exploit myself, nor have I ever violated any games ToS. Maybe I wasn't clear enough: I was talking about the developers perspecitve here, not the gamers perspective.

Cheese The problem with exploits Cheese is that some are not harmful and some are harmful, but whenever someone finds one, it leads others to believe things like dupping are possible and in some f2p aka p2w games it leads to people somehow abusing some currency that can only be bought with real money and ruins markets and such. Other exploits may lead to doing bosses again with no cd or no pay fee or glitching bosses such that a level 1 could do a level 60 boss, entering new areas and possible having access to new items and just getting an unfair advantage over players. Also someone around here said that GM's always go for people that do exploits and kinda ignore the botting that happens in games. That's not true at all. With pretty much every update, a games` offsets are updated to prevent bots that play the game for someone. It's hard to tell who is a bot and who isn't. Maybe some 12 year old kid is playing that doesn't speak the language so he doesn't read the chat, it would be a bit unfair to just ban him for 3rd party software unless you're sure. Some bots are more obvious than others. it's hard for them to find solution with all the assholes that try to cheat and the people who just try to break the game. But hey, I used to do wow exploration all the time, and never got caught. At the same time, this guy I knew made a dupe of an item in wow and he was always rich in game currency, he eventually got banned, but he even gave me some items and they never tracked me to those items(which definitely gave me an advantage in pve although I didn't make money off of them since they were boe). My opinion is dev's just get fed with all the people trying to exploit so when they see people doing an exploit they just don't wanna play nice anymore so they just start banning.

Of course he'd get banned for that. That would stop people from paying money. It's a free to play game, so, you know, MONEY MONEY MONEY OM NOM NOM.

Its farming though? how is that punishable?

brenden987 Because they don't get their money

brenden987 The reason is as you stated it would screw the economy in the game up and drive all the prices to ridiculously high prices and everyone who doesn't use this exploit would be fucked to own it, i've seen it happen in many MMO's and the reason they allow it to happen until it gets out of hand is you don't notice it's happening until it gets out of hand...the RESPONSIBLE thing your friend should have did was find this exploit that was not intentional by the game developer REPORTED it and stopped using it.

1bluebirdz But how do you claim someones intentions? what you've just stated makes no sense. He didn't go outside of the game to cheat. He used what was already available and was banned for it. like in GTA 5 Rockstar banned several people that abused rooftop rumble.

Guild Wars 2 will do something similar. If you're caught exploiting to your advantage too much then you will be permanently banned and forced to buy another copy. Although people who found out about some of the exploits didn't get banned. It's just people that overly abuse it. What counts as the ban threshold is unknown though.

it's fun to play with friends

was playing on ps4, its pretty awesome when you have friends or a group to play with.

PvP is awful because of terribly unbalanced pay to win enchantments, but yes, playing with friends is really fun, don't go solo, you will hate it unless you drop money on it. (also theres been an unusual behaviour with textures where they reload when you get even the slightiest lag, and it's really annoying).

TacDyne lmao pay to win, I havent spent a dime and it's all good for me

Beece Good advice "BRO" *cringes*

+RedPillDestiny guys been banned from pretty much every mmo. its not like he is a real player he exploits everything.

***** Do you do anything besides sit there and ridicule others for posting comments about how your boyfriend fails at games?

MMO's "cool games" nice joke

7718 well everyone has a preference. but I would say mmo content is more exciting than hearthstone. I play headstone but really only 10% of the moments in a hearthstone game are like truly wild, personally I like the best of videos for cards instead of 30 minute matches. raids in mmos are always action packed all the way. I will admit outside of the raids or dungeons when your messing around with gear isn't as fun

MMos are just huge maps with mission hubs of fetch quest, boring as fuck. Id rather play solitaire. Oh lets raid the same boring thing 200x for a drop. Fuck that ill play diablo if i want loot.

The lame shit about it is he went from like 200k to 900k playing Hearthstone so if he stops playing it and goes back to MMOs then those 700k new people are gonna bitch and moan.

And krips preference was money and I don't blame him. Hearthstone gave him a ton more viewers.

Tuf I like diablo better than I did wow although I heard the new dlc is good. I got into poe and Victor vran when I quit wow and still play d3 and those today

Blizz is also bullshit, but they are nicer to their Customers.

Josh Ray What?

BRAZE IT? BRAIZE IT? GRAZE IT? DEFINITELY HAS TO BE PRAISE IT.

***** In EVERY mmo terms of agreements, they clearly states that if you keep on exploiting with intent you will get banned or given an warning depending on the exploit and how severe. And thats that, since every one agrees instantly without even reading the terms you have nothing on them. But if you only did it ONCE or maybe twice it is for the most part forgiven since then its understand able that you only discovered the exploit, instead of actually abusing the exploit if you get what i mean... The thing is we all have agreed on this and that makes exploiting not defend able.

finaly231 My only issue is the fact that kirpp keep's posting video's about his ban in "x,y,z..." game; doesn't he undersif he find's an exploit to not abuse it muls and just report the issue to someone of authority in the game instead of repeatedly using the exploit then getting banned and posting a video complaining about his ban.

Mohamed Yousuf Then don't watch the damn video's, it's that simple. "My only issue is the fact that kirpp keep's posting video's about his ban in "x,y,z..." game", that phrase means you've watched quite a bit of his videos, and you're too ignorant to stop watching them, so you keep on complaining about them on nearly every video, and he ignores your comments. LOL Stop typing the obvious as well. I'm sure people know the terms of service of games. And if they don't, they don't care about it. If you've played enough MMO's; anything, whether skill, or vending that can be repeatable, people are going to do it. Even if it's not even an exploit, some little nub can call it "an exploit" and it'll get about a few thousand banned, even if it wasn't intended to be spammed. That's bad programming and poor judgement on the companies behalf blaming thousands for their screw up. I honestly don't think you're a "white collar gamer" or you've actually read all of the terms of service upon every game you've actually played, so stop trying to make yourself look better. Admit you're like everyone else: You download a game, install it, scroll through the TOS, just to hit next.. Install the game, and play it. You don't ever go back and read the terms of service, as it will not pertain to you until you need reading content while on the toilet. Then, and only then will you understand the companies bottom line is money. The term "Open Beta" is a legal term used today to keep their investors happy, making money, but it's still very much broken. For someone to get banned for intentionally breaking their game though, is the companies fault. It's in a beta state. That is what the people do, find crap, report it, and to see if its exploitable, perhaps he was testing the theory? A 72 hour ban is still a bit harsh, that's a good ban provided you're harassing a player but for finding an exploit and testing a theory.I don't believe a perma ban is needed since it was in a beta, and that's what they are there for, to purposely break the game, to stop the exploits from making it to the permanent launch. How can you see if it's an exploit if you don't actually do it? And if they heard about it, it's the companies fault for not paying attention to their logs sooner and patching it. Any good developer or company will admit their faults, fix them, and not punish those that found and abused it.

Jaixc. i know, morally this is just bad from the developers but the fact that we just accepts the ToA means we throw all our rights, i think i read it some where that they can really ban you for no reason at all, cause this is what they state in the ToA for example. This account is not your own, we have full controll over it and will do what we want and how we do it is none of your buisness. That is what the ToA can state and if we just blindly accept that and it actually happens, we cant do a thing, only reason with them, they are at the advantage, the only thing you really have controll over is your money. TL;DR After accepting Terms Of Agreement we have no rights(In the Game). But dont take this to literarelly, you have ofc some rights, that is the reason they urge us to read it, cause it tells us what we can do, and what they can do... Even though i will probably not read it anyways...

The guild wars 2 thing was absolute BS though, using karma items to vendor for gold is now a.o.k. Most people use (or used, its been a few months since ive played) karma bought greens to forge (to rares etc) for precursors which are worth thousands of gold... Turning karma into gold generally isn't even that profitable, and it was fairly common practice for a long time, its totally bullshit that that was bannable.

No sh*t it's a fun enough game with huge potential, you're just left wondering "If only, cryptic wasn't involved"