Economy is probably for battery life. Also. As a nerd and car guy. I'm not mad at your use of "clutch feathering".

Thank you LCN for all you do. I’ve learned a lifetime’s worth of lawn care stuff from you.

I have the Toro model 21466 I picked up by directly ordering from Toro. It has adjustable points for the handle that make it easy to set the way you like it. The wheel adjusters are the same Toro PIA levers. I used it all last season and love it. So easy to care for and the battery last long enough I can mow my yard one and a half time on one charge. It came with only one blade and doesn't have a speed adjustment, but does have the sensor that will turn up the RPMs if the grass is thick. Now I need to replace my Snow Blower with an electric model.

"Feather the clutch" was my nickname in college...I like the look of the higher priced SR...I have the 2020 gas SR and I've loved every minute of it...

Hoping to see some project lawns or lawn renovations sometime soon. Love seeing you tackle a project and show us how to make great lawn out of something that is in desperate need of love and care.

can't wait to check this out. new mower really is a must buy this year and given it's complementary to my tractor, mostly for cutting in smaller/tighter areas, a battery powered unit is on my radar.

Excellent video. Your graphics, soundtrack and video quality separate you from the guys who just put an unfocused GoPro on a cardboard box and talk too much. Your humor and concise review are icing on the cake. Most people generally have no idea how long it takes to shoot and edit a video like this. Thanks for posting it. Well done!

I enjoy watching your reviews, I appreciate all the info on lawn mowers!

i was hunting for one last year, and as you know it just wasn't happening. I couldn't find anything at any dealer at least here in Canada. I went with the 60V Recycler with vortex, it has that perforated air channel or whatever. Turns out I love it. My yard isn't giant and I can cut front and back with just enough left over to go over areas that needed extra attention.. custom height adjustments aren't the smoothest to learn, but my lawn at the street tapers down, so I have to higher on the outside not to scalp it.

Your videos are great! You have a GREAT sense of humor and I don't understand why more folks don't have one. I got the EGO and returned it, a little because the build quality made me nervous, but mostly because their solution for powering the wheels with discrete power levels, most of which I'd never use, was as unnatural as it could be. I also really appreciate you digging into the distinction between the recycling Toro's and the super-recycling versions. Without having hands-on experience, it's so hard to know whether those terms are mere marketing b.s. or if there's a difference that warrants the extra expense, so thanks again for that! What cigars are your favorite? I hardly ever get enough down time to enjoy a 2 to 4 hour cigar, despite how much cooler the smoke is, but I do love a shorter torpedo shape and something like those nub cigars can be the perfect size for a little downtime. All the best to you!

Improvements in one area at the cost of features in another. I'm going on my third season with my 60V super mulcher. I bought it over the Ego mainly due to the easy change from mulch to bagging. Also the handle adjustment is easy, no tools needed. The personal pace feature is ok, but I miss my MTD that I could set the speed and it would assist me going up my sloped front yard. That is a plus for me with the Ego. Later in the fall, I bought the big Ego snowblower (and love it). So, if the battery must be replaced in my Toro, I very well may buy an Ego as I find the 6.0 amp battery often isn't large enough to finish my little city sized lawn. I had bought a Toro 60V leaf blower just to get the battery but it had some annoying features and the charger fan failed so decided to return it and bought the Ego blower. So, having three Ego batteries versus one old Toro battery makes the economics the choice in brand.

Saw this video after I just ordered this model Toro E mower yesterday. Keeping my fingers crossed since I love all my previous Toro Super Cyclers. Thanks for the great video.

Great review AL! The battery super recycler seems like another great product by Toro and you will definetly be happy with this mower

I bought their single stage snow blower with two batteries this year. I really like it and don't think I'll ever own a gas blower ever again. Having the two batteries would make this an easier purchase for me. I may have to consider going to a battery mower now knowing it actually works well.

I bought my gas super recycler a month ago. Love the way it cuts.

I've been using a Hart 40-volt self-propelled a few months and you're so right about how annoying that hesitation and jerk is you learn to adapt and use it it's cool you can pop wheelies and drift

I love my Super Recycler (gas powered black model). I have an old beat up Recycler that I used on my weed lawn in my back yard, and when I switch over to my SR, it is so unbelievably easier to push. I really enjoy the mow when I am using that beast. Thanks for getting me hooked on my Toro SR, Allyn!

Great video! Thank you. Being an ex street rodder, the term "feathering" was correct in my day.

I have the 2021 Toro plain jane version .I paid about 350.00 dollars for it. I bought the 7.5 Amp battery as the mower came with the 6 Amp . I have been using this machine for going on 2 years with no issues. It cuts a beautiful lawn and has plenty of power !

Got an EGO last year and happy with it. Sounds like there is a striping kit now that will fit it. That is what I was really missing coming from the Toro SR and always striped.

I liked your review of the Toro Super Recycler. I currently own a Ryobi cross cut. I did write an email to Toro and suggested they look at the Ryobi height adjustment, handle, and the lift handle which allows you to pick up the Ryobi mower with one hand since the weight fore and aft is balanced. I would like to mention two items that most reviews do not include. The first is cleaning out under the deck. The Toro you can use a hose to clear out the grass. This is really important in my few when the grass has dew on it. Most other battery mowers you will void your warranty if you do that. And Toro is one of the few that have an established service organization. Any Toro dealer will honor your warranty, which is 5 years on this mower. The Ryobi also has a 5 year warranty BUT try to find someone one that will honor it. Most Home Depots do not even look at them, they send them out to a service center probably in another state. They tell you it will take about 6 weeks to get it back. When I complained to customer service I was told they are allowed 90 days. Also, Ryobi will tell you they have independent service centers available in the area. Well, I contacted 5 of them in Michigan and they all said they stopped doing warranty work but would work on them for cash. I could only find one service location about 30 miles away who would honor the warranty but it would be at least 6 weeks before he could even look at it. Now maybe you won’t require warranty work. I would suggest you consider it before you buy it.

6:42 😳😆😂 “was also my nickname in college” …….love the content on your channel. Greetings from the Pacific Northwest 🇨🇦

This was super helpful bc my clutch cable is broken and you led me to buy a new belt bc the cable is right there and i don’t want to have to do the same job twice! With me luck. Thanks for the vid!!

Thanks for the detailed review. Trying to talk myself into purchasing the new 60v 21568. This video has convinced me to go ahead and get one ordered. Something worth noting in reference to the Personal Pace System vs other Manufacturers self propelled mowers is the ease of use without the need to push multiple buttons or squeeze any triggers. With Toro's Personal Pace, you grab the handle and go. I have arthritis as well as carpel tunnel and I've been mowing with a Toro Personal Pace for 23 Years without any issues. I have helped friends and Family from time to time and use their mowers only to end up with sore hands and forearms afterward. Looking forward to the same drive system on a lighter mower.

Just bought an 80v 21" greenworks mower a few weeks ago and love it. i have an 80v trimmer and blower coming in soon

Love the review sir! As usual, excellent!

I can't believe they screwed up their easy handle adjust and didn't improve the deck height or mulch plug at all. Not what I've come to expect from Toro. Not deal breakers for me, but details do matter, especially at this price.

I enjoy your channel. And I’ve been watching the battery stuff coming out because I do lawn care south of you and I know my customers are looking forward to me switching over to battery equipment

Well done Allyn. That blacked out look is sharp. 😎🌴👊

I just ordered one based on your review and finally found one in stock. I tried the regular 60 volt recycler and also living in Florida and having thick St.Agastine grass I was not happy with the cut quality as much as I liked it overall I returned it. With this one having a choice of blades and being able to run it on max power I hope it will be as good as my gas toro. Thank you for in depth review on these and looking forward to receiving mine.

Bought a Super Recycler with blade stop for my daughter and Son in law last year . I really liked the personal pace, and the blade stop when moving across gravel areas .

Great review. Looks to be a solid mower after all the kinks are worked out. But damn, that matt all black looks amazing!

Good Job Allyn...Love the review.....your were honest and fair! All in all I like the Toro.

i picked up the 60v super recycler last year, i love mine! and it handles the striping kit from check mate just fine.

Have the 2021 60V SR model 21388. The mow height goes up to 4.25” on that model. I think it uses the usual SR deck and toro just popped in a battery. This newer one has the “side discharge” on the back.

Nice video! Looks like they need to come out with "Spin Stop" for the battery version like the timemaster and some of the gas Super Recyclers have. If they came out with a 30' cut model, I might have to buy one...

Shout out to LCN, I see you still rockin the 2 pairs of glasses, lol. I’ve been following LCN lawn program for 2 years and I have THE best looking St Augustine grass on the block. Listen to Allen, you WILL get the results your looking for. Great video as usual. 👍🏽

I love the battery blowers, trimmers and edgers. I will sticking with my time master till it dies. Absolutely love it. Just don't think technology and quality there yet.

I had an older EGO and it suffers from the same jerky transmission. It wasn't an enjoyable experience at all. I bought a Gen 1 22" 60V recycler and never looked back. The personal pace transmission is smooth and made the mow enjoyable. I still use the other EGO tools since I have the batteries for them. However, I will not go back to their mower. Also you must get the specific blades for the flex force. The normal Toro blades will chew through your battery. I wish they make a Flex Force Timemaster deck. I'd be all over that.

I believe the drive uses a belt drive like the gas version to pull power from the main motor. This is why the blades need to be running to engage. It is also why it feels like a clutch engagement. Pushing the handle is literally pushing an idler pulley (clutch) into the belt drive.

I noticed that at 2:12 when you started the mower it did not move until you engaged the personal pace handle. When you made the adjustment to the cable your personal pace handle is engaged all the time so the mower moves when started. I would relax it a bit and see if that helps. Keep them coming... Thanks.

I’m a store owner and we’ve sold, STIHL (Greenworks), EGO, Greenworks and now Toro battery mowers. Hands down the best mower is the Toro. Greenworks and EGO are basically throw away units and the Stihl has the same jerky transmissions as other inferior battery units.

Feathering a clutch is exactly what the personal pace does. These electric mowers do it exactly the same as the gas models. As you push onto the handle, it engages the belt being powered by the blade with the wheels transmission. It’s so simple and ingenious and they don’t need a motor for the wheels like most electric mowers have done which is what’s giving you that herky jerky.

The big wheel in the back help keep the bounce down when some lawns are bumpy. I have two toros one with the four small wheels and one with two bigger wheels in the back and the one with the bigger wheels in the back does pushes smoother.

Greetings from Upstate NY Al, Good Video👍🏻 Good Editing👍🏻 Good Information and Tips👍🏻 Oh BTW, that Well Trimmed Beard is Looking SIERRA HOTEL!!!👍🏻 Keep up the Good Work Brother!👍🏻

I've converted most of my lawn tools to battery. But I just can't make the switch on my mower. I have a Honda HRX and I love it too much to switch. I did try the EGO from a neighbor and I had the same issue with the drive system. Very jerky and it wouldn't roll backwards sometimes unless I made it go forward and then the wheels would free spin. Very annoying!

Man, I am sure glad that I got the 2021 model instead. This new ‘“redesign” looks like a major cost cutting design! I’ve been a toro fan for years, and Between last year and this year I have converted all my equipment to the 60 V line. Including 2021 supercycle 60 V model number 21338. And I love it!

I'm glad I grabbed the 2021 60v SR. The new one doesn't have a side discharge either (I think you have to order a separate part that goes in the back like my 60v Vortex model). I like to use it sometimes when I double cut. Would have been nice if they put the open/close lever on it like the other models, but I normally just leave the mulch plug in for that one. The battery handles my 3200 sq ft with juice to spare. The SR shock absorbers are awesome! I have a slightly bumpy Fescue lawn and I can really feel the difference between the Vortex and the SR. The 4.25 hoc option is nice during July and August here. Personal Pace has me completely spoiled and contributes greatly to my mowing Zen. : ) For me and my first lawn mowers, and my first time ever mowing experience...I really love both of my Toros.

Thanks for the review, I do agree the self propel is jerky on the GW and the fact that you can’t use it without engaging the blades of the toro isn’t great but imo these mowers are so light you can easily get around both those problems. On the green works as you come into a turn around you just get off the self propel until you complete the turn, start pushing the roll on the self propel, no sudden jerk with this technique and with the toro when your in transit mode you just push it without self propel. I used an ego mower commercially and to conserve battery I never used the self propel I just simple pushed it. Now I understand these mowers come with self propel and therefor it should work well but I would mention in your reviews how easy it is to push them and how for some people these issues shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I usually don’t like product reviews but you can tell a heck of a story my friend 👍 👍

Enjoyed the video Allyn!

Thanks just bought a super recycler vortex gas and I am a smidge shorter than yourself and was wanting to lower the height! Though after reading the manual I did not see the images you showed so maybe something toro needs to add.

Looks like a great mower, but I don't understand why they would get rid of the mulching handle for a plug. I also don't understand why they still haven't changed the old school height adjustment to the single lever that's so much easier to use. You should ask

My Toro Super Recycler (gas model-bought 2 years ago) was the only lawnmower purchase I regretted. Inconsistent cut and hard to disengage the wheels to pull it backward. Immediately went and bought another Honda and couldn't be any happier.

Thanks for another great review. 😉

I used a blue big box 80V for a full season last year on .4 acres. I love to “push” mow. Some things broke on the wheel axle that can’t be replaced, I was refunded. I will never go to electric again. I now have a 30” personal pace Toro, bought it late fall, and now life is good. Electric doesn’t provide the torque to get a “lift” on the turf blades.

Curious how it does bagging. I generally mulch, but love the bag for when it gets too high from vacation and of course in the fall for dealing with leaves. Can this pack the bag full and deal with the increasing weight?

Nice review. Try Ryan’s trick of adjusting front and rear wheels at different heights to get middle adjustment too. Lol 😆

Been waiting on this. I'd like to see a comparison of the battery Recycler (Gilley) vs the Super. I one year old gas Super Recycler and thinking about moving to battery. "There ain't nothing economy about what I do." Epic.

The instrumentals and scenery was awesome

I still haven't been able to get the mulch plug out of mine (same mower). The EGO self-propel starts slow and ramps up, but it is too slow and just as annoying as full-start drive systems. The nicest thing about the Toro drive system is you can start fast or slow and go at 'your' pace then slow down if there is a section of heavy grass...all without reaching for another lever that is impossible to control while the mower is bouncing around. Also, I like the individual height adjustements because you can raise the front only if the grass is a little higher than normal and it acts like a dual blade system by cutting off some of the grass blade when the (higher) front of mower passes over and then cutting more off when the rear (which is lower than the front) cuts more off. Good review! I still think the handle can use an even lower position.

I purchased mine in 2021, same model number. My mulch plug and the handle are a little different. My first cut with the economy blade and dry grass, I "just' made it on one battery, almost 1.25 hours! But it was downhill after that and like you I did prefer the performance blade. I noticed that mulching takes more battery than either bagging or rear discharge (messy, but works). I purchased a second battery (ouch!) and all of last season I was able to get it done on with the two batteries. Not any more, I think there has been some degradation on the batteries. I am shy by about 5 minutes from finishing! I guess I will be purchasing a 3rd battery, trying to not run them down so far to help with battery life. I noticed that the battery doesn't quite fill the opening, I was hoping they would come out with an even higher capacity battery, but that may not happen.

That herky jerky forward movement is also bad on my Ryobi crosscut. My Toro gas powered (god rest it’s soul) used to be a breeze to cut around my circular planters in the yard, but good luck with the all or nothing throttle on these new battery mowers. The smooth acceleration for a battery mower is pretty much unheard of, and nearly tempting enough to sell mine to get the Toro. Great review!

What I love, more height adjustment levels. What I hate, the mulch plug and smaller bag.

$800.00 for a battery powered mower?! NOOO! Great review Sir!👏

"What the freak?!" That cracked me up because that is me, but rated "R". I get that way with a lot of my "projects" and things I need to fix. And my wife knows it. Last week I had to replace our water heater expansion tank and our water pressure regulator, and as I was getting my tools ready and everything set, I see my wife walking out, dressed up with, and my son in her arms. I asked her "where are you going?" she said "We are going to get lunch and then to the park. Text us when you're done. We don't want to be around for the swearing." You just reminded me that I may not be the only one out there. I need more patience.

Thanks Mr Allyn! How about also doing the new Milwaukee and EGO XP Model!!?!?

I have two 2 Stroke mowers that are known as the Victa Vortex here inv Australia. One is from 1984 and the other 1985. They mow beautifully but are push only on ball bearing wheels. I have recently repainted both.

Thanks for the content

My 80volt Greenworks has a very annoying lag before the drive engages. It is smooth when it finally engages but when you reverse direction you soon learn to anticipate the lag and begin the engagement half way through your turn. Otherwise it is a great machine and I really enjoy cutting the lawn with an electric mower.

I also adjusted the personal pace cable on mine so that you barely touch it and the mower moves (like you seem to have done). But that still didn't solve the problem of feeling that I had to push too much to get the full speed out of the mower. What I discovered is that IF I TOOK ONE TURN OUT OF THE SPRING that pushes back on the personal pace handle, the mower worked MUCH better and I didn't have to push so hard to get the speed out of it that I was missing. Much more effortless mowing. I was able to adjust the cable back to a more "normal" position similar to where it was originally.

I've got last year's version. Some differences like that mulch plug and max speed setting. I couldn't move my previous gas mowers without the blade spinning either.

Thank you Al!

Not sure if it works for the Toro but on my electic lawn mower, you can activate the self propeller by holding down the lever and pushing it forward even when the mower is off

I purchased the Greenworks Pro 80v with dual 4amp batteries and dual ports to replace my 6 year old Kobalt 80v (made by Greenworks). I'm very happy with my new Greenworks! It's extremely powerful ad very easy to use. It seems much more solid than the old Kobalt, mostly due to the new aluminum handle design, I think. I paid $560 during the "Presidents' Day" sale, which is awesome. Today I'd probably by the 60v equivalent at Home depot for $479. I do like the aluminum deck of the Super Recycler, but it's disappointing that they eliminated the mulching/bagging selector; that was a great feature of Toro and Honda mowers. But the lack of a single lever hight adjustment is, for me, a deal killer.

I just purchased last years 60v SR kit for $400 because I couldn’t imagine this one being $400 better in cut quality. Hope I’m not wrong lol, I haven’t had the chance to use it yet since it’s just hitting spring here.

I just bought a new Toro AWD model and gave my 3 year AWD Toro to my sister and myself I liked the older handler better it seems I need to push harder to get my new mower to move and I did adjust the cable. My old mower has a blue handle which I can grab to help hold the speed but my new one does not and when pushing it seems to jump around.

That handle height is an issue, got this for my mom who can't start the gas mower anymore... can't get the mower handle as low as her old Toro Recyclee it replaced. Going to see if some new rubber stops at the handle spot helps get another 2 inches down. always enjoy your reviews :)

No one does a more well thought out and entertaining review than you Allyn. But the only way I am using an electric mower is if big brother takes away my ability to use my gas one.

the hesitation on the "other" mower is made to give you time to yell, YEEHAW!!!! and then go 😂

I just picked up a Toro #21564 Super Recycler, 190CC. Yet to mow, should be this weekend. Sounds like a boss though, push button start. I just wish they made this with spin-stop feature instead of electric start. Useful for when bagging. I usually mulch most of the year and keep 3.5 - 4" HOC.

Did the Vortex make any difference? The mulch plug looks like a major miss. Can you ask Toro why the standard Recycler has the built in mulch door and this has the cheapest set up I've ever seen. For a $700 mower that's laughable.

Allyn, you did a great review, it's nothing with your review, I've never had a battery operated mower, and maybe it's just me being skeptical of their power. Your lawn is well manicured, and I also keep mine cut regularly, but, how would the mower do in a pinch, if the grass was a little taller? Anyway, maybe it's just me being picky, and too old school, or, maybe I just like the smell of gasoline in the morning. Thanks, John, Indiana

I like idea of battery mowers but just can’t pull the trigger on one.

Great review.

Great job!!!

Hey Toro need to upgrade to the easy one handle wheel height adjuster before coming out with one having a worthless headlight. Nice video

Look like a good mower but I went to reel mowing. so I will kept my gas super recycler for the back yard

how do you adjust the personal pace? I have exact same model only gas version. thanks for the video could not figure out how to adjust handle height until I saw your video

That performance mode is needed for leaves and debris(I know it speeds up with load, but you want it fast before it hits leaves). Toro did that right. I put 2 blades on my Ego to trick it into high mode all the time. Why not a single height adjust, handle adjust, move without blade, or proper mulch plug. Too expensive when other brands include it.

Review the Milwaukee M18 mower when you can. That thing looks amazing, specs wise.

Ok… dumping an old heavy “craftsman gas 22” this year looking for new mower. I have small yard with around 4000 sq ft grass. Like to easily adjust mower height, some inclines in the yard so powering up inclines efficiently would me nice. Not sure on gas or battery… this new design seems not well cooked yet. What would ya recommend ?

I’ll stick with my 2020 super recycler w/ Honda engine. Very interesting review though!

I can't believe that mulch plug... Really Toro? You're better than that! The handel looks a little goofy. I do like the aluminum deck. I would like to pull the trigger on a battery mower but I don't think they're at the point of replacing gas mowers yet. That performance blade will most likely lessen the run time on a battery. Think I'll stick with my 10 year old Super Recycler for now. FYI the Personal Pace transmission is driven by a belt connected to the shaft that spins the blade. Same as the gas version. That's why it has to be running for it to work. I do like the fact they built the electric motor to fit on the existing mower deck. Not building the mower around the electric motor. As always thanks for the great video. I was waiting for the " GOAT of lawn care" to review this mower.

So if you had to choose from the 60v vortex recycler or the 60v super recycler which in your opinion is better? Is there anything difference between them?

I think the personal pace system on the gas mower is a type of cvt. The entire transmission pivots and changes the geometry between the two pulleys I think . Never had one open though because they aren't serviceable

Great color - Black with vortex! The best lawnmower in the world!

Personal Pace is awesome when it's working and well-tuned.

The electronic mower mechanical bull ride was hilarious

I just bought the 2022 Toro Super Recycler with the 8.25 hp Briggs and Stratton engine. I live in Dyer Indiana so it will be a couple of weeks till I can try it out I will give a review so you can know if the gasoline engine is any better.