Kyle, keep educating us. This was outstanding. I also credit ABB for giving you the staff time. They were all fantastic. I cant wait to see these in the wild.

Great to see manufacturers focus on reliability, efficiency and performance

Holy cow, cool video! All of these people really knew their stuff, especially that older guy at the end. He was freaking awesome!😁

The CTEP compliance and UI is pretty impressive. Making it web based rather than app based is a huge improvement for the consumer.

That passive cooling in the handle is a heat pipe, similar to processor coolers.

Awesome tech, ABB is not sitting on their laurels, great video Kyle! Look forward to seeing these come to Canada, what about it Electrified Canada, call ABB and get these installed!

Great job Kyle and ABB! Thanks for highlighting this.

You've got a knack for this, loving your content!

The pin cooling is literally a PC heatsink using heat pipes, kinda smart lol

Awesome video, I liked the presentations. The older gentleman is a genius.

Insane UX improvement.

It looks amazing, but until I see what that screen looks like after a few years out in the heat, sun, and sand of the Arizona desert, I will hold my admiration.

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.. .. Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊

Impressed with Johann’s knowledge and experience, but a little older engineer, I’d like to buy him a beer and hear his viewpoint on EV charging.

That QR code website is EPIC! Love all of the holistic visual functions! Glad to see more innovation in this space to better integrate the tech etc

Great Content and props to ABB for stepping up the industry. Single module setups like this are critical for continued expansion

The specs sound quite familiar 🤷‍♂️😉

But does it get started setting up the car communications, isolation check and charge session startup while it's waiting for the payment to go through? Most chargers are pretty slow & dumb in this respect, adding at least 20-30 seconds to the time you need to hang around to make sure charging has started because it doesn't start as oon as it could. Maybe you should do a league table of time between plug-in and actually confirming charging between brands.

I love how all the description of the UI is just how basic things should work and how current charges are first gen gopro UIs.

MUST. PROTECT. CABLES.

Great video! I love that they are using push buttons for user input, I can't tell you how many touch screens are broken on ChargePoint units and you're stuck using the app...

Alpitronic is, outside Tesla, the brand to beat. they are essentially the backbone of the reliable public charging network in europe

awesome video! can’t wait to try them

Direct competitor to the HYC400. Can’t wait to see what Alpitronic is doing next. The big display is kind of useless. Integrated light and surveillance camera would be neat. There are more and more complaints in Germany about chargers in the dark in the middle of nowhere.

LOVE hos they thoroughly test everything.

I just wish the cables were retracted into charger body until unlocked with App or credit card. Too much vandalism and copper theft lately and we are seeing more chargers knocked offline for weeks and months with damaged/missing cables.

The interface looks great but I’d love to see what that screen looks like with bright direct sunshine on it. No one seems to design for bad weather or years of UV exposure.

Love seeing all of this development. Makes me very happy. However I would love to see the charging stations being accommodating like current gas stations (easy restrooms, window cleaners, snacks and drinks). Plus maybe a lounge at the station too. I know its cost, but it seems to be the future of the stations on our freeways.

Love the size of the screens!

Great video! Did he know that are that crazy guy wrapping the NACS connector? 🤣

The closed loop liquid-vapor cooling system sounds a lot like how CPUs in laptops/etc are often cooled.

Thanks for sharing, here something new capable of great things. By the way this is a real 400kW per outlet!

Looks nice. The inside box is well thought out. I'm not sure about all the lights and UI. The industry has moved on. I just plug my rivian in at Ran or tesla and walk away. No lights, screens, buttons, separate apps or payment terminal needed. Everything shows on the vehicle display and i get a reliabilty rating of the station miles before i decide to dare stop at EA's new abb unit. A credit card terminal is an ok alternative to plug n charge but I'm sick and tired of needing another app or being charged in $10 blocks and getting $6 of power.

With 400kw output, these could be installed with an MSC and an NACS or CCS1 connector along highways to allow more charging for larger electric vehicles. With an NACS or CCS1 connector it would be used more until more larger evs are out instead of just setting and not being used. All these units should have enough room for towing & larger vehicles.

Would be interested to see if any of the new generation chargers take the route of allowing 1-2 kW charging while waiting for payment authorization for up to like 5 minutes. That way the handshakes and safety tests are all done by the time you have paid and high power charging can start immediately. I know you've seen this in Europe it sounds like a win win situation if charging equipment vendors started doing this with these AIO units!

like everything outside of the 50kw granularity of power splitting

The screen is gorgeous, but in the US, vandalism might be an issue.

I charged on one these just last week in Roswell, New Mexico. (Its max output was limited to 100 kilowatts.) The Allsups on 2nd Street has partnered with Francis Electric to provide EV charging in Roswell. I pulled in with only 3 miles in my battery, and was back at 80 percent in just under 30 minutes. I don’t think it was doing over the stated limit or it never throttled down to achieve that delivery time. I think the Artesia Allsups has an older version of this same machine.

Hear, hear. Bravo

ABB robots are legit 😊

We need one that is over 700 kW. In Europe we already have great chargers.

23:20 LOL only a crazy person would do that

ABB = Always be broken :D interesseting to see how it will perform on the market. In europe only Ionity seems to be ABB - Customer.

EA needs to replace all their units with these like ASAP. I’m loving this new system and experience. I’m hoping the hardware reliability matches.

The station itself can view the car’s ID and, during the first connection session, link the car to an account, after which the user adds a payment card to the account and never returns to this issue; authorization occurs at any station using the car’s ID. Without these choices on the screen, without wasting time.

Thanks for the video. Did I miss it or did you not show the swivel in action?

That chart looks like it was made in 1995. And it should include a line indicating what the car is requesting.

Thanks for sharing this! Does anyone have any insight as to why ABB does two stage power conversion? (ACDC and then DCDC).. I would have thought it’d be more efficient to just have the ACDC target your desired output voltage in one go… not sure what benefit the additional step brings here?

Why do they need a UI? Why not just a credit card reader and a small display showing the total cost.

The separation between the controllers is good, but if the HMI controller goes down, doesn't' the credit card reader also go down. This would be OK if the Plug-to-Charge is activated, but otherwise a problem.

perfect

Great video. I'm just curious about how rock-proof that big screen is.

Looks like an Alpitronic hyc400 with a bigger screen. Fingers crossed that is is as reliable as the original...

The mike is good.

Nice Info... ;-D

21:08 He's describing heatpipes in an unnecessarily convoluted way. It's interesting that you can get pattented "we used heatpipes to cool this thing". It's also interesting from an engineering POV - those heatpipes are most likely connected to metal plates to achieve larger surface area. But those plates (and heatpipes themselves) will get covered with dust and other dirt that significantly degrade heat transfer. So how can it be without maintenance?

How many years before these units are rolled out into the field? And how many years before they are rolled out in significant numbers ALL across the country, not just in Florida and California? Yes they are needed there, but there is a HUGE need between those two points that is full of dead and borked ABB units

Talking about payment success... Now so many gas stations are putting in chargers I would Love to see local pay authorization just like a gas pump. If the card reader or app isn't working you can always go inside and pay and last resort give the guy cash and ask for $20 on charger #3. The pin cooling system sounds just like how CPU and video card coolers work with sealed heat pipes that naturally circulate a liquid as the temperature rises.

Kyle this passive liquid/air cooled CCS handle will NEVER come to NACS. Just look at it, NACS is so small that the cooling vents would have to be at the handle grip which is a safety issue. This shows the fundamental inferiority of NACS, and why it's insane that people want to switch - a smaller handle will always be more limited in design options than a larger.

In our area tweakers are cutting and stealing cables for the copper. Charger manufacturers are going to have to make the cables retractable that deploy only with an app or RFID. Entire charging stations are down for weeks and I expect once repaired they will be cut again. No cables = zero reliability= zero revenue.

Well, they heard customers didn't like the old screens.

I guess I care less about all the bells, whistles, and ultra fast speeds. What I want is a reliable network with enough chargers per stations and high enough station density across the US.

Sounds like he put a laptop heat pipe in the cable pins

At 20:53 isn't Johan just describing a vapor chamber?

Can’t wait to charge on one of these but I doubt I’ll ever see one in California they aren’t really adding new chargers on highways which is why non Tesla cars suck to road trip. All these big chargers look like a pile of money compared to site level load managed Tesla chargers.

Thats literally a alpitronic copy with a bigger screen 😂

Great, but seems a bit overcomplicated compared to using a Tesla Supercharger.

All I see is cables scraping on the ground. Even with cable management.

👍‍‍😎👍‍‍

Those small holes in the casing of the handle are the weak point of the system. Clogged up with dust and grime compacted by moisture and handling might tempt some of the users to clean them - pushing this mixture inside the cavity.

So is this 400'ish or 800'ish volt compatible? Did I miss that?

Nice chargers, but I lament CCS winning the supercharger wars. These will cost more and be less reliable due to screens, longer cables, etc.

When you are showing all of these cool charging designs. I can only think maybe it was a good thing for Tesla to get rid of some people at their charging division. It doesn’t seem like Tesla was very inventive compared to these other vendors.

Can Teslas liquid cooled cables leak and get on you and what kind of liquid is in the cable, is it harmful?

This will compete nicely with what Flo is doing. We've seen previously the Signet V2 units which are also 400kW (but not all-in-one) and their facility in Plano, Texas. Did anybody catch where these ABB A400HPC units will be built? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7pyesyCv53Pm30.htmlsi=IJQZSbENa19OoyPx -Producer Tim

As a asset manager I see challenges with reliability and higher maintenance costs with those screens.

I just hope IONNA has already purchased dozens of these to spread out across the country.

The nice big screen looks very nice and impressive, but will it stand up to be cooking in the sun all day long? Most charging sites are not shaded, so whatever charging stalls are sitting outside exposed to the elements and in the sun -- having such a large screen seem more like a liability than an asset. It don't help how great the charging hardware is, if an important part of the screen is burned out or not visible. Seem like they have not thought that through too much... Further more, the QR code scheme still rely on network access -- suppose the cellular network signals are weak or unreliable -- again, it won't help if they have all these neat features that requires network access, if network is down or otherwise not available. Seem like ABB is targeting urban environments/use cases...

21:09 - ref: 2 phase Dielectric Fluid like you may have seen being used to cool whole Servers or a Bit Coin Miner in a Fish Tank. well known as "Clean Agent" for Fire Suppression in Motorsports/Racing (think Porsche 911 Cup Cars) the fluid for this used to be Novec 1230 (and may still be) but ABB's likely found a reasonable substitute since 1230 is apparently a PFAS or "Forever Chemical"... and while i believe it's currently still available, the last i heard 3M is unfortunately scheduled to stop producing this "wonder fluid" in the year 2025... see kids "this is why we can't have nice things" as this follows the Universal Law of NO FREE LUNCH that we originally saw with the banning of Halon 1301 back in 1994 as a Fire Suppressant because of it's sever Ozone Depleting Potential, and then the banning of FM200 as a Fire Suppressant back in 2022 since THAT was identified as being a Global Warming Agent. again, every time Mankind thinks the've made a "gain" in some way, shape, or form...? it turns out something is also being TAKEN AWAY. also ref: the Montreal Protocol of 1987. also ref: the banning the manufacturing of any new AC systems that use Ozone Depleting Refrigerants like R-12 and R-22.

Every charging cable manufacturer that I know has the dc contacts and the frame as individually replaceable parts so that’s definitely nothing new. Also I don’t know which competitors he’s talking about that require 4 wire AC connection. Every charger that I know can work with only the 3 phases and no neutral.

Kyle should get a Neck tattoo with ⚡

Now if we could only get cars that could charge at 400kW for nore than a minute 🤣

ABB=Always Be Broken😂

You can't tell bolt owners anything.

But will EA ever use them lol

Meanwhile here in Las Vegas we have a max of 24kw charging. And good luck finding that one otherwise you’re at 6.8kw. Again these fantasy land charging stations do not exist in 99% of this country.

Oof... that thing would take up half my garage... 🙂

Why do we have to fumble with payment at all? Man, Tesla is light years ahead…unfortunately. Why can’t they provide a membership and make the account automated?

15:55 This customized UI concept is a bad idea. Think about your regular gasoline pump. Forever they were super simple, you hit one of three buttons and you were dispensing fuel. When they went to the fully LED display it got much more confusing, there's flashing lights and branding and other nonsense. When you're at a gas station you know what station you're at. Due to The branding, static graphics and the color scheme. I don't need the name of the chain flashing in front of me.

WHY oh WHY do you need anything to charge? The car is digitally talking to the charger already! If you have a car linked to an account, it should be PLUG AND CHARGE.....like Tesla.

50k stations for fast charging is abysmal. As of July 2024, there are 145k gas stations averaging 6 fueling stations per gas station. When you account for a 7 minute fuel to 45 minutes EV for time in the station, it is clear that more stations per EV are necessary. Its time for tech heads to pull their heads out of their gamer ass's and get it done.

Wow, those are short cables. That's just stupid for commercial charging because it limits where and how you can install these chargers. Tesla superchargers has short cables also, but they are positioned for Teslas, which causes problems when non-Tesla EVs charge at the Tesla superchargers. Right now, I doubt that most vehicle batteries can support 400 KW. It will probably require new solid-state batteries to go higher than 250 KW charging speeds without degrading the batteries. These chargers will also require 24-hour supervision because people will deface the screens with graffiti, just like they do with gas pumps. It's great that they are big and beautiful, but they clearly are not practical. That's a shame because this company has put a lot of work into these superchargers.

42 euros for a single fast charge? Then a full battery replacement down a few years or after a small accident? Where's the savings? I hope that wasn't a realistic charging price.

Way too big, it's a monstrosity

Why CCS everything is switching to NACS

Ok good now make a dual 1600 kw charger for or a 3200kw charger and we can finally move on with actual cars .

when i can charge with 1000 kW i will buy a EV

This showed up in my “recommended” video list. Pretty underwhelming. I unsubscribed to Out Of Spec Reviews 6 months ago. Nothing relevant going on. On the other hand, I watched The Electric Viking every day. Maybe you should watch his videos to get some more interesting ideas. He has a much more interesting overview of the EV world instead of a granular, EV nerd level view. Your videos were interesting when EV’s first came out, but the EV world has evolved and moved beyond basic charger nuts and bolts.

this thing too small. it needs to 100000x bigger

The much anticipated 10min fast charging network is impossible. Why? Because 6 chargers use enough energy to power 300k homes. How many coal power plants will you need?