New Balance SC Elite v4 vs Saucony Endorphin Pro 4
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The New Balance SC Elite v4 and Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 are two of the top marathon racing options on the market for recreational runners. On paper, they're extremely similar-both use 100% PEBA midsoles, have a carbon fiber plate and come in around the same weight. In this video, I break down the differences, share my experience with the shoes and let you know which one will be best for you.
2:05 - Overview
5:53 - Upper
9:21 - The Ride
13:28 - Outsole & Durability
16:18 - Who They're Best For
21:45 - Fit & Feel Comparison
23:52 - Jog Test
25:19 - Alternatives
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@runstreetwise 3 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say that I appreciate you talking about how these shoes will perform for us big boys. I weigh over 190+ lbs, and foams/shoes 100% perform very differently for me because of that. I wish more reviewers would keep that in mind. So thank you!
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
🙌🏽 thank you!
@mbrackmann8 3 ай бұрын
Facts. I’m 6’4” 210lbs and shoes perform SO much differently for me than most reviewers. Makes it tough to trust reviews but I appreciate this dude so much for talking about it.
@xtalenx 3 ай бұрын
Same 6'3 215lbs here and shoes are different for me too
@davidg9120 3 ай бұрын
Me as well I’m 5’11 200 with a 10 min per mile half marathon pace so great to have someone cover shoes from different size and pace perspectives!
@jason.rams4 3 ай бұрын
@@davidg9120 that's almost exactly my height/weight and current HM Pace too lol what show seemed to work for you for the HM distance?
@konneß209ei20 7 күн бұрын
This might be the best running channel on KZfaq!
@stumeads7116 3 ай бұрын
I already have the Endorphin Pro 4, and it's a great shoe, I'm pretty much an exclusive New Balance guy and only got the Saucony because they didn't have the SC Elite v4 in my size, the salesperson at my local shoe store recommended I try the Saucony instead, so I did, and I don't regret that decision at all! And FYI, I'm 180cm(5'11) tall, weigh 100kg(220 pounds) and have quite a wide foot, so I'd consider myself a bigger runner, and the Saucony still works well for me
@jsam7455 3 ай бұрын
This is good to hear. I'm 6'0 230 with a semi wide foot as well and have been on the fence with pro 4. Ur experience makes me want to pull the trigger and buy it
@LAMerc76 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video, Yowana!
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@68JAYZEE 3 ай бұрын
Great video Yowana I ran a PB in the NYC half this past Sunday in the pro 4s and it’s like they fit better and run faster the more I put them to use. Keep cranking out these videos dude!
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 thank you and congrats on the PB!
@EnyiohaIkeAmaechi 3 ай бұрын
I bought a pair of Adidas Boston 12 over the Endorphin Speed 4 because of your review. My first pair of adidas runners and I love them. Your reviews really gravitate to my style of running. I can’t wait for your review on the Metaspeed Sky Paris as I’m looking for a new race day marathon shoe to rip a new PR. Going for sub 3 this year. I’m definitely a low cadence runner (153-155). The Tyr also looks promising as you compared it to my previous Endorphin Pro 3s
@romrome 3 ай бұрын
Excellent comparison vid and now officially subscribed! How about an Endorphin Pro 4 vs Sky Paris vid? 😊😊😊
@tuckertech 3 ай бұрын
You stay putting out the content! I have a wide foot and I’m a heavier runner so even though the foam in the NB SC Elite is going to be it for me! (Rebel V4 on my run again today) 😊
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Everyday! 💪🏽 and love that you're enjoying the rebel
@Dewman881 3 ай бұрын
My Man! 👍 let’s go!
@augieGo 3 ай бұрын
Good breakdown, I tried both on and ended up going Endorphin pro 4. I liked the NB SC Elite v4s, but the Ep4s just felt faster to me. Initially tried going with the Metaspeed Sky Paris, but had to return them since my feet are too wide in the midfoot to feel comfortable to wear for a marathon. I would have absolutely stuck with them otherwise.
@davidg9120 3 ай бұрын
Great video! Hard to watch and not want to order them all just to try and return but I feel bad doing so even though road runner sports allows it. I am really enjoying most of my daily runs in the vomero 17 thanks to your recommendation.
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha yeah that is super tempting. Glad to hear youre enjoying the Vomero - I need to bring that out for some daily trainer comparisons soon
@ryanmiskin8925 3 ай бұрын
I had the same feeling in the EP3, with the heel. It was just a tad narrow for me, and when running the BMW half marathon in Dallas last December, you can just kinda feel how it's not quite right. I love the shoe otherwise, I still run in it often.
@arvinsandiego2686 3 ай бұрын
New balance killing it this year!
@nigelphillips2523 2 ай бұрын
Did you experience any heel rub on the NB. A lot of reviews have had that issue. Thanks for the videos 👍
@em0haircutx 3 ай бұрын
This video pretty much settles my internal debate. I’m going to go with the SC Elite for Chicago.
@muchcacao 3 ай бұрын
Great review! 2 comments. First, the NB is a heavier shoe (despite what the NB claimed weight is). I'm not sure why the scales at NB are not functioning right, but my scale at home says that the NB is significantly heavier than it's supposed to be on paper. Running warehouse also lists it as heavier. The Saucony Pro is and feels lighter. Second, one thing to consider is the flex of the two carbon plates. The Saucony plate seems to have a firmer flex to me. The NB elite is not a firm flexing plate, which is good, because with the low drop, you actually flex the plate more than in the Saucony (and I think would therefore feel a rigid plate more).
@sts265 3 ай бұрын
Any plans for making audio only podcast versions of your posts? Would love to listen to you during my long runs!
@fecardona 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Yowana. I like your conclusion on the ride of the Saucony. Sad part for me is the toebox narrowness. Though I haven’t tried it, Understand it’s the same as version 3’s width. I wasn’t successful with the Pro 3, pinky toe rubbing and potential blister/skin peeling off.
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I had similar rubbing issues in speed 3 and pro 3 - put 800+ miles across a few pairs of those in total and my left foot is still paying for it 😂
@librarywifi 3 ай бұрын
Runrepeat actually measures the toebox width of all the shoes they test and the pro 4 has one of the widest they’ve tested (>10cm) at the widest point. I’m a 2E runner and pro 4 fits me very comfortably (better than most other racing shoes). Obviously fit can be personal so don’t mean to discount Yowana’s experience but given the shoe’s measured specs I would recommend wide footers at least try it on.
@fecardona 3 ай бұрын
@@librarywifi thanks 🙏
@KristinElish 2 ай бұрын
This was so helpful. I walked in my first half marathon with the NB SC Elite V4 and I felt like I was fighting the shoe when I increased my pace. For power walkers who are 225 lbs like me what are the best heel striking race day shoes for men?
@JeremyGiese 3 ай бұрын
If the SC Elite 4 rides similar to the Rebel v4, it’s a winner for me. Past experience new balance their fit,width and foams(especially fuelcell) worked wonderful for me. Coming from another 6’2 runner at 192-194lbs that is mid-forefoot striker that supinates more than pronates
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
It feels a lot different than the rebel v4 - I think I like the rebel more in its category than this. The foam in Pro 4 has a more similar feel to the rebel - softer and a little more compression / ground feel. Even though they are different foam formulations it's crazy how different the fuelcell feels in the rebel and sc elite
@ryanmiskin8925 3 ай бұрын
I'm 6-2 as well and around 175-180lbs, I always loved the fuelcell foams from Rebel V2 on, like the Rebel V3 as well even though some hated it for some reason.
@nanezferrer3565 3 ай бұрын
Will you make a comparison between vaporfly 3, sc elite v4, saucony endorphn pro 4 and asics metaspeekd sky paris once you have them ? thanks
@ryancolleran245 3 ай бұрын
Great comparison! I recently picked up the SC Elite V4 from Running Warehouse and took it out for a 20 mile run and had some pretty bad achilles rubbing. Not sure if the low drop had anything to do with it or maybe really need to have it locked in with the runner knot. I'm really considering exchanging for the Pro 4 and this video was definitely helpful.
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Thanks and sorry to hear about the running. Suggested this in a different thread but wondering if sock choice might help. These are the ones I use feetures.com/products/elite-max-cushion-no-show-tab?variant=40071923433544
@coreyadcock 3 ай бұрын
I ran my first half in the Sc elite v4 2 weeks ago. I agree on the good and bad points. Im not that fast and they were overkill for someone like me. They did the job but I will probably try something else next race shoe. I normally land mid foot but supinate, they kinda force me to land on my heel in the later miles. I appreciate the amount of foam but something in the geometry didnt get along. If asics would make turbo shoes in size 14 I would be all over them, probably gonna be saucony next...
@BroccLeeAV 3 ай бұрын
Rad-Life breakdown. With my high-arch wide feet I feel like New Balance is the best choice for me. 6' 165lbs as well. I really want the Alphafly 3 but not sure if I like the yellow and blue all that much for that kind of money?... My Santa Rosa marathon in August and CIM Sacramento are far enough away that I might hold out for other colorways. Loved the white, orange, and black edition, wish it were still around.
@JaySizz 3 ай бұрын
Happy Monday night
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
🙌🏽
@ibrahimc27810 3 ай бұрын
Pro4 got me within 2 seconds of my takumi sen 9 in a 5k . Much more comfortable as well .
@nutralizer01 3 ай бұрын
fantastic comparison. So much detail. I currently do have a saucony endorphin pro 4 and ran half a marathon and an 18km. It was awesome as you started picking up speed, the carbon plate responsiveness and auto rolling experience. and that grounding. But I always wondered about NB S.C elite.. it is sort of my next wanna-buy. (the only barrier is the price). It has such a big heel. so much cushion. I love how it has a wider forefoot area compared to endorphine pro. But I wonder how that little 4mm drop would feel... maybe doesn't feel like rolling but flat midfoot stepping? (but maybe that bouncy feel covers the flatness of the shoes?) Anyhow, S.C looks cool and sure feels more comfortable to run (for stepping, i am totally satisfied with the fit on endorphin 4 as most others all are also very much aware of)
@snowwalker9999 3 ай бұрын
New Balance shoes don’t fit me well except for the Rebel and I had to go half a size up. Saucony’s fit and comfort are great.
@nicknewman9650 3 ай бұрын
Im a bigger runner, 185lbs or so, but I am a clear mid/forefoot striker... I like the sound of the New Balance... but the way you mentioned how it kinda wants you to land on heel, and is super cushy scares me. I hate shoes that feel like the heel is so stuck in that its almost as if my toes are pointed up lol... any recs/thoughts?
@Larsschmidt14 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review. Can you put a few words on how these feel compared to the Adios Pro 3?
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Pro 4 is softer and bouncier, especially at slower paces. Sc elite v4 is similar but feels like more foam underfoot the forefoot - also a little softer than adios pro 3
@nicksantos7586 3 ай бұрын
Aye! earlier upload haha happy monday
@pranayama-running-Jendrik 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting 😃 In my world here in Germany it‘s right now 5 am and already Tuesday 🙌🙏
@nicksantos7586 3 ай бұрын
@@pranayama-running-Jendrikhaha yeah, very cool how running connects us all. much love from connecticut!
@pranayama-running-Jendrik 3 ай бұрын
@@nicksantos7586 Wish you a great time man from Germany Lengerich 🙏 Good bless you 🙇♂️
@beckyfox9550 3 ай бұрын
I’m so SCv4 curious. Tried them on at the NYC Half and wasn’t ready to buy. I’ve been racing in Endorphin Elites and would love to save them until the 18+ runs for marathons. For NYC last fall I went to them for anything 16+. I used the Pro 2 for speedwork but they couldn’t take me much past 8. I have the Pro 3 now and they seem a step up from the Pro 2. The fact that you ran marathon distance in the 4 is interesting. How does the 4 compare to the Elite? I’m wondering if they could bridge the gap for my 8-10+ runs during my upcoming marathon training block, so I can have long run training in a plate. All shorter easy runs I’m using Novablast3 as a no-plate option. Sorry so long! Appreciate any thoughts. Thanks!
@pappas69 2 ай бұрын
Anyone else stuggling with heel slip in the NB? As a heavier runner, I love NB generally but this is the first shoe of theirs that is causing my achilles to bleed. What is it in the heel construction that would cause this? Any suggestions apart from thicker socks and heel locking?
@simplymiya3820 3 ай бұрын
Hi Yowana. I love the SC trainer V2 for running 13 miles on the treadmill. There was no pain on my joints at all. I’m interested in the Saucony Endorphin pro 4, endorphin speed 3, and ASICS superblast. Which one would you recommended that is similar to the SC Trainer V2? I love that the sc trainer v2 really fits my feet well since I have narrow and tiny foot (size 4.5). I’m not a marathon runner, however I enjoy running 2 hrs long on the treadmill. Thank you for your wonderful reviews.
@mazanek198585 Ай бұрын
Superblast are 🔥
@simplymiya3820 Ай бұрын
@@mazanek198585 Yes, it is. I got it and have been using it everyday for running.
@Adriansyah1995 2 ай бұрын
I'm chasing a sub 4:15 marathon...do you think its better with sc elite v4 or endorphin pro 3 (THREE)?
@kuriosites 3 ай бұрын
That TYR looks great as a comfortable long run shoe but the Metaspeed Paris series looks so fast. I've noticed you've been wearing the Craft for casual in some of your videos.
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I've really been enjoying the craft for walking and everyday use - comfortable shoe
@Strizzle81 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff...Are you going to update the best shoe deals on your website? Many of the linked websites only have 1 oddball size or are completely sold out. Thanks alot!
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Will update this week and let you know!
@Strizzle81 3 ай бұрын
@@supwellThank you!
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
deals are updated here! www.supwell.io/best-running-shoe-deals thanks for the nudge man - much appreciated
@Strizzle81 3 ай бұрын
@@supwell Thank you!
@declan781 2 ай бұрын
When you say 5 minute - low 6 minute pace for the SC Elite V4, are you talking miles or km's? I'm hoping KMs as I'm hoping for 3:30 (4:58 km's / 8:00 miles)
@supwell 2 ай бұрын
That's per mile and also for me personally but I know a lot of runners who like it for that pace range you're in. Also I was running some 8 minute warmup/cooldown miles in the SC Elite v4 and it felt pretty good. I think you'll like it for a 3:30 - but I prefer the endorphin pro 4. It's just a bouncier and more fun for me
@ianwarner1429 3 ай бұрын
I run in the 1080v13s based on your recommendation as a trainer. Love them. Is it logical to think the SC Elite is the best for me
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Glad to hear you're enjoying the 1080! If you like that super soft feeling of the 1080v13 you might actually prefer the pro 4. The forefoot feels softer than the SC Elite. But if you just want a ton of foam underfoot and a protective ride then you will love the SC Elite v4
@ianwarner1429 3 ай бұрын
@@supwell I ran in V1 of the Pro. They seem to have upped their game. Thanks 🙏
@C0UGHEE 3 ай бұрын
What were the black shoes you were wearing before the try on?
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Craft pacer! Covered them last week here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grV_mtR5ldGpf4U.html
@tommoore3292 Ай бұрын
Adidas pro 3 is amazing shoe , new saucony pro 4 is also very good
@Rik4rdinh0 2 ай бұрын
Hello, first of all congratulations for your work. I'm a relatively light runner, 72kgs, 1.71 cms. I'm looking for my first performance shoes, I currently run with the Boston 12, my 10k times are 43 minutes, but I intend to progress to a half marathon, and obviously maintain 10k races more regularly. I like tennis shoes that give me a feeling of performance, but I also need to protect my knees, because I played football for a few years. I wanted two options, for 10k races and for half marathons. I have puma deviate nitro 2, Nimbus 25 , hoka clifton 9 and the Boston 12
@supwell 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I would go for the Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 - it's comfortable and also fast. I prefer it to the SC Elite v4
@Rik4rdinh0 2 ай бұрын
Hello tks! O beat my my 10k time today, i do 42:35 , again with Boston 12, Btw, i go buy endorphin pro 4 to the half marathon. And for train use Boston 12 , os good option?
@duanesidney9761 3 ай бұрын
Any post run / next day heel pain in the SC Elite 4?
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
Happy to report no pain at all after my run in this!
@ryancolleran245 3 ай бұрын
Just got done commenting that I experienced some bad achilles rubbing in the SC elite v4. After watching this I think I'm going to exchange for the Pro 4
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
@@ryancolleran245man sorry to hear that Ryan. Do you use padded socks? I use the Feetures ankle socks and they have padding on the Achilles area - I think this helps protect against any rubbing
@ryancolleran245 3 ай бұрын
@@supwell Yeah I was running in Feetures crew length socks. It just felt like everytime my foot landed it was pushing into my achilles. Like even thru any socks. I also have the Rebel V4 with about 50 miles on them and have had zero issues which is why i was so surprised to have issues. I believe that is a 6mm drop. If you had rubbing in a shoe would you give them a second chance or would that be enough to return or stop using?
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
@@ryancolleran245 weirdly I find that the Feetures crew length aren't that protective on my Achilles since they don't have that padding. But if there's pain on multiple runs I would get rid of them - too many great options on the market to run in something that's not working for you. Upper of pro 4 is super comfortable too
@southboy18 Ай бұрын
I have both. For me, 6'2 195lbs, the pro 4 is way firmer than the v4. The v4 is like running on a bouncy cloud. The pro 4 is soft, but on the firmer side and no where near the v4. The pro 4 reminds me more of the boston 12 under foot. Pro 4 is slightly more stable for me. The super soft elite v4 and slightly more narrow forefoot and heel (confirmed by run repeat) make it feel a little less stable. The v4 definitely feels taller and i think that makes them feel slightly less stable to me, but not unstable.
@supwell Ай бұрын
Nice man glad to know you disagree with my entire analysis 😂
@southboy18 Ай бұрын
@@supwell 😂 no hate or anything man, that’s just how it feels for me, but I’m also super slow so maybe that makes a difference. I’m a 4:30 marathoner lol so my paces are a lot slower than yours
@supwell Ай бұрын
Hahaha I appreciate the extra insights. It's always interesting to hear how these shoes work differently for different paces, body types etc
@KingPickler 3 ай бұрын
Have you ever tried an all out mile with spikes on a track
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
No I haven't but that sounds fun! I actually haven't tired an all out mile in a few years
@LarjieGamer 3 ай бұрын
“Nobody’s gonna buy the Brookes on this channel” 🤣😂
@mbrackmann8 3 ай бұрын
Can’t decide between these two. I’m a bigger dude, 6’4” 215lbs. Not fast either. I have a narrow foot so I feel like the elite v4 might be too sloppy of an upper for me.
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
My preference between the two is the endorphin pro 4 - feels both more comfortable and faster for me. What are your favorite training shoes though? May be able to give you a better recommendation with that
@mbrackmann8 3 ай бұрын
@@supwell right now my rotation consists of the Endorphin speed 3, Superblast (not totally loving it), Hoka Clifton 9, and Adios Pro 3. I like the adios pro 3 but the upper just sucks and I can’t see myself wearing it for a full or even half marathon. It’s a fun workout shoe though haha
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
@@mbrackmann8 i felt the same way about the adios pro 3 - didn't feel the same level as the other racers. i'd go with the pro 4 if i were you. keeps all the awesome things i loved about the speed 3 but makes it faster and more comfortable
@mbrackmann8 3 ай бұрын
@@supwell yeah the adios pro 3 is a fun shoe but just not amazing. I got it for $100 so I took a chance on it. Will probably try out the Endorphin pro 4! I know you mentioned it’s less stable in the heel than the SC Elite v4. I don’t necessarily need stability shoes, but since I’m a heavier guy I think I tend to notice super unstable super shoes more than others. Would you say the Endorphin pro 4 is inherently unstable? For example, I hate the Vaporfly because ZoomX is SO soft that I just feel myself overpronating so much. I know it’s due to my weight and size because I don’t have pronation issues in other shoes at all. I’m a midfoot striker but I think the combination of the narrow midfoot and super soft ZoomX just didn’t work for me
@supwell 3 ай бұрын
@@mbrackmann8it's definitely not as bad as the Vaporfly. If you got along with the speed 3 you should be good in the pro 4 - it's a tad less stable than that but as a midfoot striker you'll be golden!
@tommoore3292 Ай бұрын
Adidas pro 3 has most marathon records