Exactly. Generic monsters are fine when they're something like Knightmare Phoenix or Underworld Goddess,something you use for a specific purpose,but generic win conditions like Baronne and Apollousa are just dumb and unfun

Or you know…not make a blatant archetype monster into a strong generic with zero locks/penalty

​@@marilithI agree with your initial statement but I will say that if Apollousa gets banned, Accesscode, etc. then I think it'll also be a slippery slope and Underworld Goddess will be next on the chopping block. Not that I'm complaining, I'm all for it. Just wanted to note this could be the start of a huge shift

@@Spikezillian_ At least Goddess and Accesscode are finishers instead of a turn 1 going first lock board, and App is more fair than Baronne or Savage Dragon as she's a Link 4, only stops monsters, and dies to Ghost Ogre.

@@autobotstarscream765 the point is that generic material boss monsters are lame and reduce creativity and variety, people are tired of seeing the same thing in every ED. For example, while I dislike Branded, I must admit most of their list is very much unique cards. Purrely as well. They need to print in archetype cards for these decks or at least extra deck cards that require an attribute or type. Selene is a great example of a card that seems broken on the surface as a link climb, but she requires a spellcaster and she wouldn't be so good if Accesscode wasn't in the game. They'd need to think harder about what they want to link into.

that's what it should have been in the first place.

I agree on errata to limit it to archetype but not Chevalier as material. He sucks balls and getting to baronne can take 2 turns. Just make baronne require Fleur synchron or one of 2 flower mages and we good.

i wish they do that. they f*** Fleur deck by making Baronne generic when it should've been a Fleur boss.

That's how it should have been to begin with. Or at least it should require Fleur Synchron or maybe require a Wind Non-Tuner. Should have never been generic because it's too powerful. Omni negate + pop, generic Snychro was a mistake.

​@@THELORDVODKA it shouldve been like the icejade lvl10 where it needs a water tuner so every deck cant abuse it

Boss monsters can be amazingly fair even if generic. Real problem is endless negators and bosses that enable combo decks to make unbreakable opressions. Access code, most of higher link bosses summoned out of masquereena like heatsoul, mathmech sigma,psy end punisher etc. Are all examples of bosses that are relatively generic, absolute powerhouses and will let opponent play.

bro really think generic boss monster like Rulkallos, Mirrorjade, Arise-Heart, Noir, DPE, Turbulence are fair and not a problem.

@@acasualgameryt6978 imagine thinking dpe is a problem in 2024. it's literally JUST fusion destiny, and that's it.

​@@acasualgameryt6978 as opposed to every deck just being 100% all the same cards? At least generics make more deck types viable

​@@acasualgameryt6978Mirrorjade not generic though,you mandatory have to use Albaz as its material to summon (of course you can cheat it easily with Verte but in this case Verte is the problem)

True, real problem is that archetype is balls as it is so if baronne wasn't generic it be dead card. My point? Fleur archetype should have been made better with baronne as proper boss (or second boss to more powerful lvl 12).

A simple "fleur-tuner" would be enough. Because it's OK in fleur decks

Yea. They been pushing for new archtypes and support for older ones recently which is great and glad TCG is putting a stop these generic bosses. Only hope is that the reason wasn't just for snake eyes

To combat against certain Archtype decks. It’s makes sense. Throw her in your rogue deck. Problem is when other strong decks use her

@@THELORDVODKAshould’ve been linked to the synchron deck, maybe it’s just a Synchron tuner only and even buff it by having a SS synchro monster be treated as being synchro summoned

The tachyon support isn’t even that good, still have to use tachyon dragon and is nothing compared to the gimmick puppet support

GEPD bros...are we back?

@Deathmare235 nah but galaxy eyes a whole

​@@Deathmare235u know ppl like decks/archetypes/strategies for more reasons then just its better than the rest

@@Sickmonkey3lets hope

Not to mention Standby Phase effect to recycle or you can even cheating with Facedown - Faceup cards to reset the negate

Not with Crimson Dragon!

Cosmic quasar is easy with the right cards

This is what people don't realize any replacement for the generic boss monsters isn't going to be cheap. They literally got banned after becoming cheap. People complaining about how expensive the TCG is and how in MD there a UR inflation but straight banning generic monsters doesn't help the problem at all.

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That's not gonna stop Konami to make another even broken generic boss monster though

@@handofdagoth3233 fr, and we still have Zeus, chaos angel, dis pater, accesscode and so many other boss monsters that are in every deck lol

@@squid_duelistAt least it’s not a omni negate. Most of them aren’t even a negate too

@@squid_duelist idt dis pater is generic since you need dragons, also Zeus only use in Xyz deck, but yeah i get your point

And to allow Heatsoul access.

New generic bosses who will be expensive to replace the banned generic bosses who became cheap recently.

or a "Rokket" Tuner monster

Borrel should require a dragon non tuner and baronne should require a synchro tuner then it’s fixed

​@@Deathmare235Leave Baroness as wind tuner.

baronne should've negate on their own turn, so it allows nib counterplay

@@mikimiki9109 or no destruction with the negate

Not the biggest banlist, its one of the best banlists tho

​@@stefdatboi1481that's what they meant. Quality of hits, not quantity.

And fuck every non meta deck in the process, gotta make you buy those new archetypes

@@Thrust8EX Considering how every non-meta and meta Synchro deck was about just turding out Baronne, that was overall a good thing...

@@V-Jes Then maybe Swordsoul will for once not just turbo out Baroone and play something els...

They did learn with App, she dies to kill Spells, getting run over, and Ghost Ogre.

Snake-eyes player be like : Yo! Nice board breaker you have but I can play through all of those fancy things and you still have to wait for my full combo

@@Pudee_piie Correction Snake-Eye accel at playing under handtrap which everyone is currently playing, but it sucks at playing under floodgates. Once I drop Evenly and if you got no Savage/ Silvera to deal with it, only god knows what those floodgates will do to you. Konami even goes as far as unbanning Protos and Colossus.

Until nibiru hits you and you can't negate it😂

@@johnnycapote9817play cossout or only summon 4 times

@@johnnycapote9817 Would you rather have a game which already ends on turn 1 or do you want it to move to atleast turn 4 ? Going first already gives you about 80% chance of winning cause you got nothing to deal with other than handtraps (if you drew them)

get rid of omni negates period. just keep normal targeted negates. when a negate is so powerful your opponent cant do litterally anything then there is no strategy there. its slap down an omni negate and wait to win next turn or that turn. baronne was a problem because it negates graveyard, hand, field, deck, and banished zones all at once not just specific zones to leave for outplaying or needing other cards to fill gaps.

They had to use it before to try and do the same thing the better decks do. Now that something like baronne is gone, you can do more plays with worse decks that struggled to that kind of generic interruption the good decks would otherwise have.

They won't. Expect another generic boss monster or a tech with little knight to summon those boss monsters

This was enough they kill apo every combo deck will pretty much die to nib we'll see but I don't think they will hit apo now

Good. A Nib that actually can resolve is what makes the turn 2 player not auto lose to the turn 1 player

Don't buy quarter century bow goddess guys even when tcg gets good stuff we still lose.

It is Konami fault, look at mannadium synchro Boss is dogshit, i like more decks that have good Boss Monster , purely, exosister, branded despia , labrynth , salamangreat , marincess.

I kinda agree with u man. Because I really want to see a ARCHETYPE deck with no random boss monster outside of their own archetypes and mostly staples

Not a bad idea actually. It would encourage many players to start experimenting with different decks. Itll be great for the game.

Problem is that it make decks more expensive, all of you are too naive if you think Konami isn't going to make them expensive. They only ban Borreload and Baroness in TCG after they became cheap should tell you all you need to know.

@@Bakatora04 That’s true actually lol

You rush to Baronne 90% of the time because you autolose to Nibiru if you don't. It's not that the other level 10s in the deck are bad, it's that your field is extremely fragile without Baronne.

Protos is the worst tho

@@FakeHeroFang dunno. Pretty sure you summon her because its omni negate and neither cheng nor long can negate. Like even if your starting hand forced you to ignore nibiru you will still make barone over any other lvl 10 synchro or e.g. chaofeng

@@johnnythedark3090 Yeah, an omni prevents you from losing the rest of your board to Nib or most other board breakers. Baronne is played because an omni negate just universally solves more problems for you, it's that simple. It's way easier to use effectively than evil Longyuan, and requires less setup than Cheng to use its effect on your terms.

Not to mention that is not easy to get the 4 materials it requires to get its full potential

@@alpha34098 yes exactly

It's definitely getting hit next list if this the way Konami what's to treat it players, but go ahead and pay for high rarity bow goddess

@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 I don't count much on that. Might be annoying, but Apollusa is more harder to Summon and will force players to be smarter to use her than with Baronne and Borreload because her negations don't hit everything and weakens her after each negate so if you negate something bigger than her, the opponent can just call Battle Phase and smash her in revenge

​@@alpha34098I completely agree. 50% of the time I laugh when my opponent overextends into Appolousa. When I see barone, I roll my eyes and immediately quit if I don't have an out. It would guarantee a 3rd of my starting hand was gone to even begin playing the game

Ip and appolo bith get checked my clicking the battle button for free

They must figure Dinos can just Horned Saurus into Chicken Game instead. 😂

@@autobotstarscream765 horned saurus into chicken game rather than a field spell floodgate is ingeresting.

Flambreg😂

​@KenzoSunya 3k atk that does what? Push your opponent monster into spell zone? 😂😂

For the money, dude, i absolutely love the fact that everyone here ignored how overpriced TCG has become 😂

This isnt about banning all generic boss monsters, cards like Zeus are fine. They targeted easy to make omni negates.

FK snake eyes literally on fire in TCG lol. And no baroness and savage in the recipe. This is literally forcing TCG player to buy new packs to stay relevant lol

They can do both. Ban the boring generic negate ED bosses that are easy to make with zero downside and hit the blatent decks themselves

That won’t happen cause there are decks like purrely / labrynth / branded / VS / SE / voiceless and others that either don’t need ED or have their own boss monsters

If Savage required a Rokket Tuner, wouldn't it still be banned with Pachinkomoney on the warpath against Dragon Link? If not, how about Rokket-lock and unban Chaos Ruler as well to save Dragon Link?

Maybe just dragons as material

@@Deathmare235 Well you want Dragon Link rules the meta again right?

​@@NEXTVRAINSi think dragon link already use rokket to summon savage

But yea i agree, make it require rokket so less deck could spam it

@@NEXTVRAINS isn’t the point of making it rokket so dragon link can use it, just make it so it’s any dragons

But when you consider that on of the Archetypes you must sell, specially since it belongs to the same Lore as Snake Eyes, Terrortop is a perfect way to promote it

Because Konami put the Extra Deck associated with Snake Eyes while not having a way to make them Level 3s. Goblin Biker were supposed to be a part of the Diablestarr Deck just like they are in the lore

@@alpha34098 I'm not sure if that's how that works. Pretty sure Goblin Bikers are made to be a whole separate archetype even though they have lore with the Diabellstars.

They are just trying to push the game in a better direction. More deck diversity, more interaction, and more unique techs in same decks.

Snake eyes is 2 new

@@romanblaze7 this does nothing for deck diversity SE keeps being the best deck in the format and decks that lack a boss just get pushed further down

DPE is fair and not generic, Verte should be banned. Generic bosses like Zeus are super healthy for the game. Especially the case of Zeus being at 1. Same with Goddess allowing you to not insta-lose because your deck cant out a towers. The problems have always been generic super easy negates. I would love to see MD actually ban IP when SP comes but with 2 arts this is highly unlikely.

@@babrad Verte (in my opinion) has fallen off in MD because I havent really seen it and the top meta decks dont really need it so for rn it doesnt seem to be a problem tho it is an unbalanced generic monster (but that is just personal observation). Because of how easy DPE is to summon with Fusion Destiny its still a problem. And it is generic because almost any deck can run a couple Heros, fusion destiny and even Verte to make it easier to bring out. Goddess and Zeus does help against wack ass negate boards/towers so I will give them that it does help the game in some sense. And you are right that generic negates are the real problem. I was actually thinking of IP as well cuz I think that will instantly shut down alot of decks that abuse it and also cause collateral damage such as to Spright.

@@onyxguardian5122 Verte limits future card design by existing a good fusion spell can't be printed without thinking of abusing it with Verte. DPE is a pop and a sticky monster but requires 2 bricks and to be the end of your combo where if you get disrupted you wont have any float effects due to the dark hero lock. Also with Flam and especially SP coming, hiding in the GY isn't as good (while also bystials are a thing). Without Verte none would risk drawing the bricks, tried and proved in TCG. Enablers have always been the issue. Halq, Isolde, Verte, Summon Sorc, Auroradon. No matter how many payoffs you hit, as soon as a new card comes they are there to facilitate it.

@@babrad Huh, I didnt think about it like that, about Verte limiting new fusion spells but you are absolutely right. And yea those other cards you mentioned are a big problem as well.

diabellstar add subversion push colossus into s/t zone, activate bonfire and play

​@@shakewellersubversion is a real problem and it's generic

diabellstar is the problem @@mugiwaranomohamed5955

@@mugiwaranomohamed5955 its a good board breaker that people now have to respect

Apollo definitely shud be banned, Baronne I’d argue was fine since u force it out easily if u are a good player + ur deck has going 2nd breaker options

@@SStrikeFury The problem was Snake Eye summoning Borreload, then using Formula Synchron to summon Baronne after using Borreload negate.

@@Narium413 brother they can go into both without using Borre negate first. Only furthers my point that Baronne ain’t the problem Borreload ban was probably warranted since it’s negate is per turn

Yeah in MR3 10 years ago xD

@@shakeweller yep, it's why people were still stupefied that Majespecter got amazing support, Kirin was still banned

Was it’s effect actually a (Quick Effect)? Dkayed says it it but on the website shown in video it doesn’t say that at all on Kirin’s text

@@SStrikeFury it was essentially a quick effect. It had the old (During either players turn) wording before they trimmed that to quick effect.

Konami wants the entire game to be Purrely and Labrynth. Snake-Eye was a mistake. 😂

@@autobotstarscream765 well, all of them are cancer on their own... Konami just don't want you to run the same deck for more than 1-2 months...

@@albertoparolo9656 True to a point as they want everyone to buy 2 boxes of every set and make a new Deck every 2-3 months, but there's a few pet Decks that they like to coddle and I think Lab is one of them while older Decks like Purrely and PK Fire (now Goblin Biker) are getting dug up with certain unhits on the Banlist like Sleepy and Terrortop.

Based af

Then I nib you and you cry cuz you can't negate it

Free Scarecrow!

@@autobotstarscream765 shs isn't that powerful in this format but they still can just summon dispater and psy omega to handloop 2 and summon colossus on top, i like playing shs too but it's still degenerate

This is the future, they saw they can still milk people for their money with snake-eyes

It's the exact opposite. IP "breaks" link monsters with trigger effects turning them into pseudo-quick effect disruptions while also abusing floating effects every turn instead of just your own. Flamberge and Block Dragon are prime examples. SP without IP to turn her into a turn 1 disruption would be a turn 2 boardbreaker link monster (unless you play unchained or world legacy awakens) that also prevents direct attacks so that you can break a board but not OTK (in most cases). This instantly makes SP a really fair card.

or ban

Also nib!!

why not ban diabellstar and we happy, thats the way they made Baronne in the first place

​@@HellRiver92they also want to limit generic boss monster obviously. 😂

You will lose to nib now dummy

Yeah because theres nothing like getting a new deck that does the same thing every good deck before it does. Baronne, savage, apollo, and then in archetype interuption also. Not to mention in OCG and MD where you do all of that first turn and then activate Maxx C on top. Would you rather break a board that has unique interruptions or play against a board that has a negate for each card in hand on top of any handtraps?

Legit the most braindead take i ever heard

Bad take LMAOOOO

And they scream out of their lung "TCG Banlist W" TCG people are so funny the way they treat their 1000$ cardboard game

They hit cards they just reprinted

​@@alfredokusuma9511People celebrating Konami banned the cheap generic cards just for their replacement to be expensive generic cards.

Common TCG L take

you scarred maxx C haha. Unban maxx C and those problem solved no need ban baronne or savage even linkuriboh what a joke wkwkwk

​@@duelieur9692bro you should get an eye surgery because you're beyond wrong Look at master duel and ocg , both have maxx c yet barrelled savage and barron and still played I top decks Dumbass

Such dumb stupid replies holly crap these guys dont play this game at all

Cringe autopilot players crying because their favourite toys get banned 😂😂😂

thats the only way i can play against nibiru with mannadium, now idk what to do against cards like evenly and raigeki even, like cards like ttt dot exist to counter those negates

Maybe they should ban maxx c then? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@@HellRiver92 That's why its good. It makes players find new ways to play around things. Also why Maxx C can be put to rest maybe? combo decks end on what.... a bunch of negates like baronne. Whats the point in playing them now if you have no negates to end on?

@@romanblaze7 mannadium boss monster sucks, primeheart is not useful they should ban Baronne when there's more support, they just want Snake Eyes to stay there as if they need to do Baronne in the first place, they always end up with an apollousa and a full board and adding cards for the next turn plus Promethean in GY, so now we'll see Labyrinth and Evenly match all over the placr OK

Snake Eyes, Mannadium and Superheavy all played the same generic bosses because these decks didn’t get any own good bosses. If they gave them good interruptive boss monsters + maybe a lock of some kind these generic extra deck monsters wouldn’t have been that much of a problem. I really don’t understand how Konami could think that not giving decks a single usable in-archetype boss for going first in modern Yugioh was a good idea. These decks were literally forced into using Baronne, Savage, I:P and Apo if they didn’t want to end on a bunch of useless monsters which is such an incredibly baffling decision and oversight from Konami. How can you design a modern archetype without giving them something to end on going first? Even freaking Tenpai Dragon, a deck that always wants to go second, at least got a Trap card.

App only stops monsters and dies to Ghost Ogre.