Ammo manufacturers are producing more than they ever have before, literally running 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Almost 10 million new gun owners in a matter of months makes demand hard to keep up with. Your beef is with the people afraid of a govt take over who are buying up all the ammo they can find, and not so much the producers.

@@thomasd6509 I hear that a lot but not a single round has hit our shelves in any store in Montana since April last year...so I don't believe it. If so where the hell are they sending it to? China?

@@jerryhall1541 I'm not sure where you're at in Montana but haven't you heard of ordering? It takes time to manufacture ammo. I watched guys get a 10k limit card walk into stores and buy 10k worth of ammo. It's the paranoid people. They did the same with toilet paper.

@@robertoaiello9342 out of stock....no backorder!

@@jerryhall1541 I don't know what to tell ya. I haven't bought ammo since November. What I do know is that since the pandemic started I have watched people dropping thousands into guns and ammo. And the only other thing I can add is that ammo reserves are probably shut down at the moment because of threat of civil war.

Harder to find the rifle than ammo right now

It’s available in bass pro and cabalas.

And online as well. Plenty of it out there.

i mean, seeing as its made by 2 ammo manufacturers, one being the biggest in the US, pretty good.

Just bought one. Ammo is hard to find but not impossible.

ammo isn't hard to find at all, the caliber is literally designed by 2 ammo manufacturers, unlike other stuff like Ackley improved cartridges or Nosler cartridges.

Practically it is with just a fancy name to get people to buy it I have a 6.5prc and I’m not looking to switch anytime soon

Reinventing cartridges that already exist. As soon as shooters realise these new cartridges are marketing gimmicks, companies will stop reinventing the wheel.

But they used 6.8mm opposed to .270 so its better duh!

@@edd752010 I'm pretty sure you are being sarcastic, but for everyone else that reads that and doesn't know... 6.8 mm = .27" and a 270 is .277" so for all real applications ...

I sure it don't kick as bad as the 270wsm

Thats what my question was. Difference in Energy and drop at 500 vs a 7mm Rem Mag. Any numbers?

I cant find any good ballistics charts check out hunt simples video called 7mm= excellent long range caliber

@@jakecarr979 I'm just watching a Ron Somer vid, he's got a ballistic's comparison. A 7mm 168gr stills holds the edge in drop/drift/energy at 500 yards over the 6.8 165gr. 7mm has a little more recoil

You’ve had it 270 WSM!

This guy is just a casual shooter. Probably knows like 15 different cartridges and that’s it lmao

Hopefully it will push some projectile makers into making a better selection for us .270 guys. I know when you put a 1:8 twist barrel on a 270 wsm, you can shoot the 165/170 gr. Projectiles very accurately, at a little under 3,000 per sec. I personally wouldn't buy this caliber, 2 much of a tweener.

Why its hitting harder and flying faster with heavier rounds LOL

@@ronpage101 lol dude Winchester said its the updated .270 WSM you're a funny guy. Its going to catch FIRE!

@@miketyson8933 It might. It certainly would be a great do it all cartridge. If it becomes the new 6.5 creed, that would be sweet.

@@ronpage101you’re spot on,but it is a great balance of everything

Honestly if I was a wealthy businessman I would be building an ammo plant right now. Run 9mm,5.56, .308, 45 and 762x39 all day. Could make a fortune.

... they are building new plants. Idk if you’ve ever built a manufacturing plant before but they’re not exactly fast to build, set up, and hire for

It's harder to find ammo for my 30 nosler

Nope! You’re wrong! 6.8 Western has 1,804 ft lbs of energy. It is more powerful than the standard old out dated 270 win.

??? 6.8 westers still still has over 1500ft-lb until it gets to 690 yards. an ethical elk caliber out to 700 yards is extremely good

LOL where you getting these numbers from hahaha the .270 WSM is 200 fps faster then the .270 win the 6.8 Western has the .270 win smoked in every catagory IN A SHORT ACTION!!!

Just another sales marketing gimmick. That you can’t find ammunition for. Not comparing to 7mm rem.

For a hunting rifle that you put 40 rounds a year in it dosent really matter. 308, 223, 6.5 creedmoor, and 22lr are really all you meed if you intend to shoot 300 rounds every weekend 👍🏻 but with the pandemic and potato brain in office trying to take guns, its going to be a rough year

Funny, Im building a 300 Norma and a 6.8 Western! Great minds think alike hahaha

Hi barry, i have a 270 wsm ans recoil is moderate plus better performance then the 270 but rounds are a bit more expensive, also i have a 6.8 western in a winchester xpr with a break and its lovely to shoot

Thank You for the input I will be looking for one in my area. If you have a place for me to check out in the twin falls id please send me a text.

It's the 270 WSM ... they changed the degree on the shoulder and shortened it a tad then used a faster twist barrel to stabilize high bc bullets. Much like how the 6.5 Creedmoor was planned. Which is the only way the Creedmoor is better than the 260 Remington is using the same dialogue. There's a ton of 260 Remington fans that will NEVER buy into the Creedmoor. I'm sure there's 270 WSM fans that won't either. They're pitching this round at the 6.5 Creedmoor fans... and if that's their baby... they'll surely love this one! Oh... btw... I do find the 6.8 Western desirable :) Got room in the gun cabinet for more I suppose 🙂

Totally agree. Answer to a question that does not exist.

Is it a seven psalm neck down?

You notice they listed the energy of the others but not 7 rem mag. Hmmm

@@talltimber1408 yep....no way it has more energy than a 7 mag.

Brady here responding back. That was also interesting to me as well when I first read it while going over all the materials. That part is comparing the 6.8 Western to the 7mm Rem Mag using the 160 grain Accubond. The 6.8 Western has close to 1,850 ft pound of energy at 500 yards. Which is about 15% more energy than the 7mm offering at 1,566 foot pounds.

But literally no one else has this gun at the moment and ammo will be plentiful at first. This sounds like the exact right time to get one.

@@300_WM my buddy went through exactly what Lance is referring to with his 28 Nosler. Took forever before dies were available, and supplies are stupid expensive.

@@slymanbry Exactly. I wanted to do a 300 prc build this year but I’m glad I didn’t. Try to find retumbo, H1000, large rifle mag primers, etc. Shoot what you have right now - hopefully you’ve got a bit of stockpile.

@@300_WM Go for it - but I’d suggest securing your ammo before you get the gun.

@@300_WM I was thinking the same thing

There arent many 6.8s.

@@graynotescartridgebox lol

@@graynotescartridgebox you said it brother, just another 270wsm that has been around 20 years!!

@@graynotescartridgebox you forgot 270 wssm

Naaa get a Christensen Ridgeline in the 6.8 Western and you have a do all rifle!

The fact that it’s being chambered in barrels with twist rates that will stable the high bc heavy for caliber bullets that are now available in the 277 caliber, guns of the past have slower twist rates and will not stabilize these bullets it’s not just another 270 it’s kind of a package deal it’s one of the only 270 caliber cartridges besides the 27 nosler that’s being chambered with proper twist rates in a factory rifle

@@KC-7mm for long high BC bullets, I get that. It is a pretty specialized crowd though. I think long range precision shooters have some other preferences and need better barrel life. I think for most hunters who shoot 0-300, the advantages here don't matter much. The most likely scenario I can think of, is wanting to shoot an Elk or Mule deer, but you really want a short action cartridge and refuse to shoot anything long actions or with a belt.

@@AdventureOne I hear ya and agree for the most part I think browning is just trying to find a niche market and give the 270 crowd something in the long range category which for a while was empty up until recently there wasn’t these type of bullets for the 270. This caliber isn’t my cup of tee but if there wasn’t a big enough specialized crowd browning and nosler wouldn’t attempt to make a”long range” caliber in 270, I can say one thing I’ll still take my 7mag over this any day of the week.

The BCs are like .620 which is right there with the 140 grain bullets for the 6.5CM

It did look like better specs compared to the 6.5 creed and prc but yeah definitely not the 7mm rem

Is it better than the 6.5 CM... sure. But to say its got more energy than the 6.5 prc and 7mm. They may have a point with the prc to 500 yds. The further out it goes the more the 147 gr would take over. Plus the ABLR are notorious for inflated BC number. Don't know if that is still the case. I'm still wondering what load they're talking about the 7mm having less energy???...

If you read the reloading manuals the 270 short mag is a necked down 300 short mag case the same with the 325 short mag it is the next up 300 short man case. I am sure it's gonna be a sweet shooting gun But at this point I just don't see the need.

@@graynotescartridgebox I was try to compare factory ammo and was looking at the 147 gr ELD MATCH. But 156 gr would do it!!!

It just depends what you're into. I know a couple guys that are professional machinists and rifle builders that experiment and wildcat all kinds of cartridges. Engineers have taken over from wildcatters for the sake of selling more guns. The 7mm Rem Mag was developed to be a lighter recoiling elk rifle than the 300 Win Mag. The 300 Win mag was developed to out perform the 3006 etc etc. I'm a western big game hunter and have been shooting a 7 Rem mag for 20+ years but if I'd be buying a new rifle I'd probably buy a 28 Nosler.

.338 Federal. The ballistics may overlap with others, but it shines as a thick woods black bear cartridge. The higher energy and fatter bullet don't kill better than a .308, but they're much better at making a blood trail - something people forget to think about when comparing cartridges.

I thinking next we will come full circle....they will "introduce"the 7x57 mauser with a new name...284 ultratripleflutterblastermax.

@@johnwunder3521 Gee, thanks John. Now I have to come up with a new name.

Factory load ?

Yeah… you should be doing the talking in this video.. it would save a lot of people from hearing the other guys bullshit….

The 6.8 is not even close to a 7mm Rem Mag at 600 yds. The 7mm has 200 ft.lb more energy with a 175 gr. Nosler bullet.

@@billtessier9423 umm what? Both Winchester Expedition long range, 165 Grain 6.8 Western vs 168 Grain 7mm mag, 6.8 Western has both less bullet drop and more energy at every distance. while having comparable if not less recoil and in a short action rifle.

@@billtessier9423 and change what i said from a 168 grain 7mm mag to a 160 grain 7mm mag and its lacking 200ft-lbs on the 6.8 western out of the muzzle up until 500 yards then its 300ft-lb behind.

Lol yea you cant compare the 30.06 to this 6.8 Western! Try shooting 500-600 yards with the 30.06. Massive drop innacuracy. I will never own a 30.06 because .30 caliber you go .300 win mag or Norma Mag, Ultra, Weatherby. 30.06 is old news bud

@@miketyson8933 crazy enough I was in favor of the western lol still am.

Its a 270wsm fiddled with. Theres always 7mm stw

Longer bullet = better coefficient = less drag on the projectile in flight = more terminal energy Edit: you will need a tighter twist rate on the barrel though for the heavier pills (than a 1:10)

I did a comparison with the 165 grain 6.8, vs a 162 grain eldx 7 mag. And with both ising 26” barrels. The 6.8 has about 100 lb or energy advantage even out to 1000 yards, the 7 mag has a slight wind advantage after 700 yards, but before that 6.8 has the wind advantage. While its all very similar, this is with Winchester bullets. If hornady or federal come out with a eldx , terminal accent, or federal trophy tip in a high grain .277 caliber. This will be even deadlier!

Reel-Lentless i was comparing factory loaded ammo. A reloader can cook up a super vast version of either one. Hopefull this will push manufacturers to make great .27 bullets! I been on the 7mm train myself for a while and its nice to have new fun options!

I have one on the way in xpr to see what the fuss is about

Because it's a lot more complicated than that you put in a heavier bullet that would mean the bullet is much longer which would mean it would have to be buried way farther down into the casing which causes problems so they basically fixed it with this new round. They slightly shortened the short mag case so they could fit in a longer bullet by shortening the case the bullet doesn't have to be seated so deep into the case. If you reload it's easy to understand.

LOL Exactly. It's a 6.8 Western cartridge. 6.8/.277 caliber.

Drives me crazy that they don't know the difference between cartridge and caliber.

Me too , that burns my ass that somebody that’s supposed to know something about firearms doesn’t know the difference between caliber and cartridge !!!

its not even expensive, rifles are the same price for this caliber because it comes in X-Bolts and Winchester XPRs, ammo isnt expensive at all compared to something like the Nosler cartridges that are about $100 for a box, i just paid $30 CAD per box of 6.8 Western ($24 USD) for 165 grain Winchester Expedition ABLR

@@nathan22outdoors8 Hello Nathan, I’m glad that you were able to locate 6.8 Western and at a good price. Unfortunately around here locally where I can buy say Winchester power point 130 grain .270 Win for 2$7-30 per box (tax not included) I haven’t see any 6.8 Western in stock ever. But thats great if you have a source at the prices you mention. I do love the fact that the 6.8 Western is like a step up to the great .270 Win with higher B.C. Bullets available and with a quicker twist barrel. than the 1 in 10 that my Mod 70 has in .270 Win. So yes, the Western 6.8 shows as very impressive ballistically. Enjoy, the 6.8 Western sure is a sexy looking cartridge without question. 😎👍

@@repairfreak Yeah id say im lucky i found some just because of the ammo shortage but i wouldn't say the price would be high anyways, at the end of the day its still just Winchester Expedition, the price would be relatively the same to their other calibers

6.5 Creedmore is $60+ a box, heck 9mm box is $20 gotta pay to play! Inflation and all minerals that are mined are going up, pick up brass and save it!

.270 at $20 less a box??? DUDE YOU SMOKE A TON OF CRACK!!! I started hunting with a .270 in 1993 and it was over $20 less a box!!!! You are a joke man

Yeah buddy!

Awesome, Thanks for the support, John!!

Has 24 ft lbs of recoil other videos say its like a 7mm.

@@randysmith8604 if you’re a man you can handle any kind of recoil

Funny if you're a man you will be a skilled hunter like myself and get your lazy ass closer rather then 700 yards stupid to shoot that far no respect for the animal- 😂

@@justin2696 really? I shoot a 300 win mag. I dont care about recoil. I was letting him know what another video said it was nothing about being a man.

@@randysmith8604 I’m just saying

You are so right! This is just an advertisement….

Yeah man I've had my tikka 2 years now , I've shot 80 shots through it , and they say a 243 barrel has about 3200 shots

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Ron is one of my favorites, he’s a treasure trove of accurate and interesting information 😎👍

Dude you're so funny, the 6.8 Western is the updated .270 WSM so how is it going to our perform the 6.8?? The 6.8 holds 2 grains of powder more because of the rounds not being seated in the brass. I was going to build a .270 WSM but now they came out with the 6.8 Western it will be my next build, twist rate and everything is hitting harder then the .270 WSM longer bullets better accuracy!!!! Your argument makes ZERO sense and I saw that video of Rons and he did not say the .270 WSM is better, they are close but the 6.8 Western is hitting HARDER, MORE ACCURATELY, then the .270 WSM PERIOD!!!

@@miketyson8933 did you not read what I wrote. I stated the differences are negligible, not enough to compel me to buy it because the new name. You're a sucker

Browning x bolt

I second the Browning. I have the hells canyon speed and it shoots the Browning pro long range .5 moa or under five shot groups even on a bad day.

That’s good, because you don’t have to. Mind your own hunt.

HI Mark, Browning does not currently offer a BLR in 6.8 Western and we have not heard of any plans but I'm sure it's possible in the future.

@Reel-Lentless what are you talking about? My 7mm mag pushes a 168 at 3000 fps

Not as much energy different at first about 300 fp, but after 600 yards it passes it and at 1000 it still has 980 foot pounds, its a beast of a cartridge

I have not seen it yet. It will show up in time, just like the others did.

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Right? I was going to mention the weatherby, but you already did

Not sure they are, they’re building a factory gun that has the proper twist rate to shoot the heavy for caliber high bc long range hunting bullets there’s no factory rifle in any of the 270 calibers that was built to shoot these long bullets heavy bullets the 1-9 to 1-10 twist will not shoot accurately

That's like saying we never needed 6mm creed because we have 6.5. it's a 6.8 short Action that gives you a 1300 plus range but more importantly heavier bullets for hunting larger game.

SmithN' Wesson That’s why they made the 300 WM , 300 ultra , 30 Nosler , 300 Wby , 30 378 Wby! Boy we really need another cartridge that’s inferior to a lot of existing cartridges ! Oh and don’t forget the 7 STW That shoots a 175 gr bullet at 3200 FPS and a 140 at 3500 FPS ( 79 gr of RL 22 215 Fed primer ) ! Yea I’m going to run right out and buy one of those !

I know they are trying to build something different but we already have very similar cartridges and they are not popular I just wanted to see what people would reply on my comment

They should have just re-released the 270 WSM with heavier bullets and on a faster twist rate platform. No need for a whole new caliber.

Long range hunting is not my cup of tea, but you're wrong here. If the hunter can make an ethical shot, why not? Does it become hunting at 699 yards? What is the range?

Jim Peschke I understand Adam’s reasoning, even if 700 yards is a specific number. He’s simply advocating for hunting as it used to be rather than what it is turning into. Guys are starting to brag about how far away from the animal they were when they killed it rather than how close they were able to get before they pulled the trigger. This long range craze is fine for stationary, non living targets, but there’s just too many variables when it comes to shooting game at those ranges. We should want clean, ethical kills as hunters, not long-range bragging rights. Can you kill an elk at 700 yards? Sure! But there’s a much higher possibility of something going wrong at those longer ranges (i.e.- shooter error, wind drift, animal movement, unseen obstructions to the flight path of the bullet, etc). Much of hunting comes down to ethics, and the hunter’s ability to make a wise decision in the moment. Unfortunately, long range projectiles have given a false sense of confidence to too many hunters, causing poor decisions in the moment of truth. Yes, we can easily shoot at big game at 100’s of yards, but the goal should be to close the gap as much as possible before squeezing the trigger.

@@baraksinz You're preaching to the choir on this one. My LONGEST game shot was 55 yards. Trying to book an elk hunt, and I won't even talk to outfitters that can't get me within 200. I just don't like it when people redefine "hunting" to suit their particular prejudices. I've read people who declare all sorts of methods to be "non hunting". These include hunting over bait, hunting with a compound bow, hunting with a rifle, over a food plot, etc. This attitude divides hunters, which is exactly what the scumbags at HSUS want.

Jim Peschke I see where you’re coming from now. 👍🏻 I agree that there isn’t a set “standard” or “definition” for hunting, but I don’t like to see people ruin the sport for others by giving all hunters a bad name when they consistently make obviously unethical decisions in the field. Nobody is perfect, but this long range hunting with inferior calibers/bullets for those ranges (6.5 CM and others) is really starting to affect herds as more animals are wounded and never found.

@@baraksinz Agreed. Leave the 6.5 Manbun and other fad cartridges at the long rifle range. Take the .308s and .270s into field.

Same velocity as a 7 Mag shooting 175 grain

Well 4 or five inches of it is a screw on lens

More than adequate at any ethical range.

Its actually very smart, not very many people own a 6.8w but everyone owns a 30-06, 308, etc. Therefore less people will be picking 6.8w off the shelf. Hence why the only ammo available are odd ball cartridges

@@derekwhipple8419 na, not very smart. Hadn’t seen ANY of it either over the last 3 weeks.

@@Lovenlife139 haven't seen any 5.56 or 308 either huh? 6.8w is on the shelves where I live.

@@derekwhipple8419 yes decent amounts of .223 and .556 here in west Texas just gotta be there when trucks hit. Yes random spots of 9mm and .45 and a few places have my Creedmore. Some 7.26 even but NONE of the cal you speak of.

Just a stupid idea and gemick from the ammo people. Not saying the round isn’t any good but.. it’s like having an abundance of peanut butter and jelly but no bread.