New Film on Rolling Stones Founder Brian Jones is Heartbreaking

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New Film on Rolling Stones Founder Brian Jones is Heartbreaking

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British director Nick Broomfield's new documentary about Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones, released this month, is essential viewing for anyone with even a passing interest in The Rolling Stones or just 1960s culture more broadly. Just be advised that it is, at times, a pretty heartbreaking watch, both because of the tragic outcome of Brian's life and also the tragedies that unfolded in the lives of those he appears to have used and discarded. Broomfield previously has done documentaries on Kurt Cobain and Biggie Smalls.
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@sherryboyd817 8 ай бұрын

Brian was the heart and soul of the stones....so talented and soulful

@elenikorkodelaki2695 8 ай бұрын

He was the Best!

@williardbillmore5713 3 ай бұрын

Jones was neither the heart OR the soul of the Stones. That would be Keith and Mick. Brian was a poser who became wealthy and famous on the talents of his bandmates.

@williardbillmore5713 3 ай бұрын

@@elenikorkodelaki2695 Jones was THE most expendable and the least talented of all the Stones. Once they got rid of him they became bigger and more successful, immediately.

@aarontmejia3368 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for acknowledging Brian Jones : The Founder & Leader of The Rolling Stones!

@williardbillmore5713 7 ай бұрын

*“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* ----Brian Jones 1963 Brian joined Keith's band ,The Blue Boys... Don't you believe Saint Brian's own words? Ha ha ha ha

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

Get lost, fake fan.@@williardbillmore5713

@williardbillmore5713 5 ай бұрын

Brian did not found the band and he never led the band. “The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’” --- Brian Jones 1963 Excerpt of a letter that has been verified to be in Brian Jones' handwriting explaining to the leader of their fan club how the band got together. The on;y one who Jones auditioned as a result of his advert was pianist Ian Stewart. Then Brian contacted Keith and asked Keith if he and Ian could join Keith's band, Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, that Keith and Mick and Dick Taylor had founded seven months earlier.. Keith agreed and Brian became a member of the Blue Boys. Just before their debut at the Marquee Club in Soho a few months later the Blue Boys changed their name to the Rollin(g) Stones. Brian was not even a founding member of the band that BECAME the Rolling Stones and he did not audition any full member of the band. iT IS A MYTH.

@747heavyboeing3 3 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713Bill Wyman say he did. He should know.

@williardbillmore5713 3 ай бұрын

@@747heavyboeing3 Why SHOULD Bill Wyman know anything about how the band was formed? He didn't join for another 8 months. When the band was formed Bill was on the other end of London playing bass for a band called the Cliftons. All Bill thinks he knows came from Brian's braggadocious stories over the next 6 years. I go with what Brian said about it at the time and he never said that he founded or named or led anything.

@christopherfleming3107 9 ай бұрын

Another thing that Broomfield gets wrong is that Brian's parents did see him perform with the Stones and Bill Wyman's book Stone Alone proves it! Here's a few excerpts: Bill Wyman: Stone Alone - By Bill Wyman with Ray Coleman. Pages 213 - 214. Concert: Colston Hall, Bristol, England - 10th May 1964. (2nd show). Brian's father stood backstage smiling with pride and said: 'The idea of The Rolling Stones took a bit of getting used to. I wanted Brian to go to Cambridge. But now I'm proud that he stuck to music. These boys are fantastic. Their musicianship is incredible." ... Brian went back to Cheltenham with his parents, and we stayed the night at the Grand Hotel. Page 257. Concert: Odeon Theatre, Cheltenham, England - 10th September 1964. Cheltenham was always special. Brian's parents came to the first house of our concert and also backstage during shows. There was no sign of the rift between them that people talked about; they seemed very proud of him.

@paulclarke7571 9 ай бұрын

Actually the legend, Robert Johnson, was the first member of the musical 27 club. He died in 1938. Long before Brian Jones.

@stephenpercy4643 9 ай бұрын

Exactly, however it might be more retrospective -- that said, every death looking back is retrospective - -- Clapton called him the first rock star -- so, retrospectively he's the first member -- I agree -- it was what I was going to write when I saw your comment! Being black in that era was never going to get him into any club I guess!

@jamesfitzgerald6636 9 ай бұрын

My god, really

@willardarmbruster8111 8 ай бұрын

The great Alan Wilson is often overlooked. Died two weeks before Jimi.

@Diosprometheus 8 ай бұрын

@@willardarmbruster8111 Yea and he suffered his own addictions and mental demons just as the original Canned Heat Blues singer did Tommy Johnson with his songs about cocaine and Jamaica Ginger.

@stevegordon8474 3 ай бұрын

@@stephenpercy4643There was no rock music until the 1950s and therefore no rock stars before then. The blues was black music before then, called "race" music by whites.

@anthonypuccetti8779 9 ай бұрын

Brian's dad said in an interview that he and his wife visited Brian shortly before he died and he was happy. That part of the interview is on the Brian Jones Resource channel.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

How can you tell if someone as high, tripping and drunk all at the same time as Brian always was at that time are "happy"? He couldn't even function as a human being. Did he even realize that they were there?

@richardbanker3910 9 ай бұрын

I heard that interview and seen the interview. Brian’s father driving over from Cheltenham to Cotchford Farm in Sussex meant that he’d have stayed over for the weekend given very limited motorway network at that time. I’d grant that Brian’s father mightn’t have spotted it if Brian was high on drugs but is much more likely to have noticed Brian being drunk. It is likely that Brian’s father was right in saying he did have a happy time with Brian. Biographies say that Brian was a normal well behaved child and very studious and it was only in his teens that things went wrong. This is archetypal for the generation gap at the time.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@richardbanker3910 For many upper middle class, conservative people in the 60s "Happy" was often used as a euphemism for financial success. Brian's dad could not deny that Brian made more money than he had ever dreamed of. For him to say that Brian was "happy" does not mean much in the conventional sense on the word.

@richardbanker3910 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 I come from something like this background and this perspective is one dimensional . It can be true of some families but the Jones family was atypical as both Brian’s parents were musicians. Anthony Scaduto’s book on Mick Jagger in 1971 has an interview with Brian’s father where Brian phones him up “ full of bubbling enthusiasm about the beauties of his new house, about the loveliness of the particular spirit of summer” and when they came down the following weekend, they had an “ intensely happy weekend,the happiest and closest weekend we’d spent with him since he was a child”.

@user-ry4xb6sj3w 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 You're so full of it, you're just on just about any video about Brian to bash Brian every chance you get,,you never personally knew him. Let's see pics with him to back up your bogus claims

@buzzedalldrink9131 9 ай бұрын

Brian was murdered. The saddest part is his murderer got away with it.

@rhwinner 8 ай бұрын

Shut up.😅

@sherryboyd817 8 ай бұрын

Yes

@JC-jr9hw 8 ай бұрын

And his murderer is not some fucking construction worker who did it because he was owed a few thousand pounds. If you believe that you’re completely naïve. Go read the work of Trevor Hobley. Brian Jones owned the rights to the name, the Rolling Stones and that’s where the trouble stemmed from. Tom keylock denied being there for decades before finally admitting he was there. I wonder why he denied it for so long? I wonder why he was burning Brian’s shit in the front yard the next morning? Again, you don’t need to be a genius to figure this one out. Hint: Alan Klein was a dangerous guy. Just ask Same Cooke’s family.

@buzzedalldrink9131 8 ай бұрын

@@JC-jr9hw I am well aware. Unreal how things get ignored or swept under the rug. Cops just want to close cases and don’t care how.

@attiliofiordirosa2977 8 ай бұрын

Mick and Keith what's him Drowning 😢

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

He’s the only white cat that ever got my rhythm.” - Bo Diddley speaking of Rolling Stone, Brian Jones, 1963. No Jones No Stones !

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

No Jones = better Stones. They never enjoyed the level of success the had until they fired Mr Jones from their band.

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 Mick Jagger and Keith Richards , would be nobody's if it weren't for Brian Jones. Bill Wyman said, Brian Jones formed the band. He chose the members. He named the band. He chose the music we played. He got us gigs. Paint it Black, Under My Thumb and other songs would be non memorable, if Brian didn't add those exotic instruments. Sitar, Marimba and Vibraphone. It was Brian who does the main memorable guitar riff in, Last Time. No Jones No Stones !

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@SuperAnimelover100 The memorable guitar riff in the Last Time was written by Keith when he wrote the song, as was revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine many years ago.. You have it exactly backwards... Jones would have never been heard of without him being in the band that had all the hit songs written by the Jagger / Richards team. Jones was a poser and only added the garnish to a fundamentally genius hit songwriting team that are still proving themselves today 54 years later. They never needed Jones once they started writing their own material. Bill only repeats the braggadocious fictitious lies that Brian told him for six years, None of the origin stories that Bill tells have even a grain of truth to them. Brian actually didn't "found" or create or "choose" anyone or anything. He simply joined Keith's already existing band The Blue Boys. In his own words: *“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963. Jones never recruited or chose anyone who became a full member of the Rolling Stones and he was not even A founding member of the band that became the Rolling Stones ... Keith's band.

@jamesfitzgerald6636 9 ай бұрын

What a load of bollocks, JJF riff was Wyman, jones did the last time riff and came up with it, Keith not that honest when talking about jones

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

@@jamesfitzgerald6636 You told the whole truth and nothing but the TRUTH !!!!!!

@mikedavis7925 8 ай бұрын

More details on Brian can be found on Bill Wymans book Stone Alone. Definitely a good read.

@Methilde 7 ай бұрын

Bill wasn't even the first Stones bassist, so he is not credible. He became more and more bitter after living the band and seing the way they're still so successful

@numberstation 3 ай бұрын

A very good read indeed.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

Got to see The Stones & Brian Jones documentary on the big screen, it was for a film festival and the place was packed. Nick Broomfield, Bill Wyman, and Paul Trynka definitely made sure Brian's musical contributions were front and center; I even heard audience members saying afterward that Brian should have received more credit! 😁 The women in Brian's life were a very strong presence throughout the documentary, which is awesome. 👩 And most of all, the lesson I took away is, when you see someone having a hard time in life, be a friend. Say something. Just be kind.

@elenikorkodelaki2695 7 ай бұрын

I like your comment, but most i like in the end..When someone has a hard time in life..be a friend, be kind! ..Thank you!

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

@@elenikorkodelaki2695 Yeah that’s really what I kept coming back to when watching the doc. You have to reach out sometimes.

@jakeredrutherford1757 8 ай бұрын

The best version of,,the rolling Stones, was with Brian jones

@thecuriouslistener9217 8 ай бұрын

There is a case to be made there. Yes.

@jakeredrutherford1757 8 ай бұрын

There's no case,,, lol,,, the rolling Stones was better with Brian jones

@BrianHassett-ih3jp 9 ай бұрын

Keith pretty much wrote Brian off in Life. One of the low points of the book.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Brian wrote himself off ultimately dying from a decade of Drug and alcohol abuse.

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

@williardbillmore5713 its been proved. He was murdered/drowned

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@derekmoody1358 No Derek ...You have been misled. Jones did not drown and he was not murdered. He most likely died from respiratory arrest and asphyxiation while unconscious due to overself sedation with alcohol. Though not stated directly the toxicology report strongly indicated and implied that conclusion from the drug and blood alcohol evidence in his body.

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 nope. Studied the case thoroughly.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@derekmoody1358Nope ...if you had Studied the case thoroughly you would know that the coroner found that it could not be ruled a drowning at autopsy and he had to amend the original C O D report.There was not enough water in Brian's airway to rule it a drowning Everything else you have said is purely baseless speculation and improbable fiction. You sound like Inspector Clouseau.

@AdyCP-rj7xy 6 ай бұрын

No Jones, no Stones

@christopherfleming3107 9 ай бұрын

Brian has another known 6th offspring, his second daughter Barbara who was born just a few months before he passed away. Her mother is actually a member of the Stones entourage seen in the Godard film outtakes. Like her father, Barbara is also very musical and a multi-instrumentalist as well.

@BeesWaxMinder 9 ай бұрын

Be nice to hear her stuff...

@BigSky1 9 ай бұрын

First and only daughter. All the others were boys.

@BigSky1 9 ай бұрын

@@BeesWaxMinder You can on KZfaq

@twistedspanner 8 ай бұрын

She's a great dulcimer player and musically a chip off the old block. ;-)

@BeesWaxMinder 8 ай бұрын

@@BigSky1 any links, please..?

@letitbleedadam 7 ай бұрын

A close friend of Brian’s was interviewed on YT. He was a guitar player in Vince Taylor’s band. He said that after Brian’s death, his parents requested that they didn’t want anybody involved with the drug busts to be present at the funeral--this included Keith and Mick. He says this was one of the reasons they weren’t present.

@Arya-1111 6 ай бұрын

@williardbillmore5713 5 ай бұрын

That is really funny. Brian's dad was saying that he didn't want his son at his own funeral? Ha ha ha ha ha ha His son was busted worse than any of them. Mick had an acting contract to fulfil in Australia and Keith never went to a funeral in his entire life. Not even his own mother's or his dad's. They gave Brian a beautiful send off and memorial service at the Hyde Park concert in front of all their fans. Much more fitting than them standing around watching dirt get thrown into a hole while the paparazzi have a field day with their cameras.

@eddiebates6804 9 ай бұрын

Robert Johnson was the first member of the 27 club

@RobCarmina 9 ай бұрын

Brian Jones was murdered - drowned in his own pool.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Brian was not murdered. Jones's worst enemy was Brian Jones. He killed himself with unabated drug and alcohol abuse. He didn't even drown. He just stopped breathing and passed out in his own pool.

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

Yes he was. The guy who did it can be found with little research. The guy admitted on his death bed

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

@williardbillmore5713 b.s. yes he 100% was. WRONG

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@derekmoody1358 The only one who witnessed that supposed deathbed confession by Thorogood was conveniently also a suspect. Jones didn't even drown as was assumed at first. There wasn't even enough water in his airway to call it a drowning ...So the cause of death was amended to read, Death by misadventure. After a binge of amphetamines that the toxicology report said was twenty times a normal dose. Jones sedated himself with about seven shots of strong whiskey before his lone dip in his comfortably heated pool. It is most likely that he just passed out, stopped breathing and sunk to the bottom of his pool. No evidence of foul play of any kind was found at the scene or on his body.. Brian Jones's worst enemy was Brian Jones.

@nickb5391 9 ай бұрын

@@derekmoody1358 The only person who was in the room when Frank 'confessed' was Tom Keylock, can you Derek know 100% that Tom was telling the truth, i wouldn't have trusted Tom, Frank could have been the 'fall guy' to something Tom may have been involved in the death of Brian

@anthonypuccetti8779 9 ай бұрын

See Paul Trynka's book about Brian Jones. It goes into detail about Brian's youth.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Paul Trynka liked to write fan boy fiction about Brian and the Rolling Stones and disguise it as "journalism". It is all fictitious lies.

@williardbillmore5713 5 ай бұрын

Trynka's books are full of lies, myths and fantasies.

@ciggieshoreditch507 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate anyone that has a genuine interest in Brian's story. Brian had an amazing life. So many highs and lows crammed into a short life. Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Dave Davies, George Harrison, Pete Townshend and many other musical peers were friends of Brian and had good connections with him. Another blow to Brian's decline was the drug busts. The police harassed Brian endlessly. That is one of the reasons he had to get out of London and found refuge at Cotchford Farm. I could go on and on. "Ruby Tuesday" was written by Keith and Brian. Mick had nothing to do with the song. Mick has said so. I think Brian was great and for a while he was a prince. However, he did not have the stamina to keep up. In addition, Andrew Oldham was cruel to Brian and was determined to make Mick the star of the Rolling Stones. Peace.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Oldham, like any good manager went with and encouraged the strengths he had to work with in the performers of the band he managed . Ruby was Keith's song all the way. Brian played what he was directed to play and he never had an original musical idea in his entire career. Brian was famous because of the band he was in not because of anything he contributed to it. He was not the frail little sensitive wallflower you seem to imagine him to have been. Jones was a psychopath and an asshole by all accounts.

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

It was Bob Dylan who paid for Brian Coffin.

@ciggieshoreditch507 8 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 Hmmm. A very interesting view you have on Brian. Brian does/did receive a lot of criticism. However, the people that criticize Brian have many flaws and shitty behavior on their own. Funny how that works. Peace.

@williardbillmore5713 8 ай бұрын

@@ciggieshoreditch507 That does not make Jones any less of a poser, a malignant narcissist and a psychopath.

@philfrank9226 8 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 AS u.

@sweetassugar2076 9 ай бұрын

Greatest rock and roll band in world…

@nevillesellars6532 3 күн бұрын

Yes when Brian was with them, kicked out is own group he founded, Alex corner advesd Brian not to take them two on but jagger came with Richards

@spudwas 9 ай бұрын

More detailed info is in Bill Wyman's great book "Stone Alone." Which this documentary relied on. It's amazing that Bill kept a diary during the whole "Rolling Stones" era and beyond. Seek that book! Also, The documentary never talked about Brian's horrible asthma infliction he had to deal with all his life.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

All accounts that Brian founded and created the Rolling Stones comes directly or indirectly from Bill Wyman. When Brian and Ian joined Keith'S band in April or May of 1962 Bill was not there and did not become a member for another seven or eight months joining the band in mid- December of 62. He could NOT have had ANY first hand knowledge of how the band was formed. He did not even know the members at that time. What Bill regurgitates are the braggadocious lies his Bandmate Brian told him as they were roommates when they were on tour for the next six years. He did make their name change official when he answered "the Rollin' Stones" ,when asked on the phone what they were called by a local club newspaper. Rollin' Stone Blues was a Muddy Waters song that the Blue Boys regularly played and they had discussed the title as a possible name for the band but they never made a firm collective decision to use that copyrighted song title until Jones blurted it out in that phone call. Soon after, they recognized the fact that what Brian told the paper was part of a copyrighted song title, so they quickly changed it to the Rollin*g* Stones to avoid a legal dispute with a word less specific to Muddy Waters song. Jones did not found the band, he did not audition anyone who became a member or select any of the band. He did not lead or change the direction of the Rolling Stones as Keith's band were already playing blues songs in Blues clubs, which was why Brian asked Keith if he could join Keith's band in the first place. *“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* --- Brian Jones The group he describes in that letter are Keith's band the Blue Boys who founded their band with Keith, Mick Jagger, Mick Avory, who went on to be the drummer for the Kinks, Tony Chapman also occasionally drummed for them and then bassist, Dick Taylor who eventually left the band to found the Pretty Things playing guitar...Some six months prior to Brian's meeting and agreement with Keith They FOUNDED Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. The Blue Boys never broke up...They eventually changed their name to the Rolling Stones in July of 1962 just prior to their debut at the Marquee club in Soho. Brian was not even A founding member of the band that BECAME the Rolling Stones. Every word of what Bill Wyman tells about the formation of the Rolling Stones are lies he is passing on from Brian himself. Brian had six years to fill Bill's head with the wishful braggadocious lies about how he supposedly founded the Rolling Stones and picked each member himself from auditions and that he was the bands leader. None of it was true. Bill believes jones to this day but he was not there at all when the band was formed.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Brian's horrible asthma infliction was prolonged and exasperated by his chain smoking cigarettes and Drugs of all kinds throughout the sixties and before.. Brian Jones's worst enemy was Brian Jones.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

No he didn't. For the first eight months of the Rolling Stones era Bill was not part of the band and didn't even know them. Brian joined Keith's band in April 1962 and Bill joined in mid- December of 62. How can he write a diary about a band he was not even in? He filled in the missing period with the lies and fantasies Brian told him for six years. Bill's book is worthless if you want to know the truth.

@theseeker4642 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713As a musician who was around during the inception of the Stones, it was always Brian's band. He hired Ian Stewart first, then Jagger & Richards, Wyman & Watts. Brian named the band & taught Keith a lot about how to play guitar & Jagger mouth harp, as he thought everybody in a band, should be able to play an instrument. Andrew Loog Oldgam didn't think Stewie had the right look to be in the band & Stewie magnanimously offered to be their roadie & play piano when needed, but hidden behind the curtain at the side of the stage & later the studio. Stewie played fantastic piano & Nicky Hopkins, the sound tech took over in the studio, when Stewie sadly died. Richards didn't have a band & could barely play guitar when he first met Brian, while Mick was at the London School of Economics & singing at part time for Alexis Koorner. Keith & Mick joined the then unnamed Rolling Stones together, which Brian named after a song on a Muddy Water's album, Rollin' Stone. You are so off regarding the facts as to sound besotted with Keith & the image he's cultuvated. Give credit where credit is due & don't deflect from Brian, the original Stone !

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Bill lied.

@markwhite2207 9 ай бұрын

It's very intriguing to think what Brian would have gone on to do if he could have kept it together and survived, he was by far the most musically gifted of the Stones.

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

I was just pondering that this morning. I agree. He would have had to clean himself up though. It is just so tragic, the way things turned out for him.

@helmutsecke3529 9 ай бұрын

Yes, he was such an amazing barre-chord guitar strummer.

@delmofritz3964 9 ай бұрын

@@helmutsecke3529 And slide player, marimba player, recorder player, oboe player, harmonica player, sitar player etc etc.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Jones was demonstrably the LEAST talented member of the Rolling Stones. He never wrote anything. He never sang anything of worth and he never had an original musical idea in his entire career. Jones was a copyist and a poser. Shortly after the band fired Brian their worldwide popularity, record sales and critical acclaim soared beyond their wildest hopes and dreams.

@theseeker4642 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713You're obviously not a musician or multi instrumentalist. I am a musician from Brian's era & the man was head & shoulders above Keith & Mick, he was a natural musician, which is somebody who doesn't have to work at their craft. Keith is now a good musician, but had to work hard to become the musician he is today, after Brian had taught him a lot about how to play guitar, which Keith freely admits as the reason he hung out with Brian, to learn ! The trouble with Brian was his impatience & how very easily he was put down !

@davidmurray2539 9 ай бұрын

"Rather upset" at the death of Brian Jones. That succinctly checks the box marked "emotional response" in Jagger world. And if you watch Godard's Sympathy For The Devil, then take into account how quickly Mick Taylor appeared on the scene in a " Jones replacement" role, it seems an argument trying to root itself in quicksand to suggest that your Glimmer Twins took anything other than the long and torturous way home in slowly and steadily destabilizing the main Stone's confidence in his craft and trust in his emotional stability. Musically, Brian Jones was more talented than the whole lot of them put together and I trust he's getting his own back these decades watching and revelling in the spectacles of performance "jackassery" The Stones put on for the mewling, obsequiously indoctrinated hordes for at least 30% of a year, every year!l

@Francia-om6oy 9 ай бұрын

Read, "Blown Away, The Rolling Stones and the death of the 60's."

@Francia-om6oy 9 ай бұрын

It's an eye opener, for sure. And later, there was a death bed confession.

@davidmurray2539 9 ай бұрын

@@Francia-om6oy Yes. Thanks for that. "....the death of the 60's." I'm assuming that could be a specific reference to Altamont and its headlining act?

@mphrdldn 8 ай бұрын

Yes, it is a terrific book.

@mphrdldn 8 ай бұрын

There was quite a lot about Altamont.

@brucewayne3602 2 ай бұрын

the devastation lingers till today --- what was & what could have been ??? Stones are brilliant beyond definition but their music changed after Brian passed !!! ... Eternal Blessings Brian --- His Genius has left a massive void !!!

@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 9 ай бұрын

My grandfather was a naval captain and french attaché at the time, and morrisons father asked him to investigate his death

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

What a gascinating little tidbit. I appreciate it.

@sweetassugar2076 9 ай бұрын

Who’s death? Jim’s or Brian’s

@axxellein 4 ай бұрын

Brian Jones=Stones-Blues Legend!

@RonnieLeeDuck 9 ай бұрын

@The Curious Listener Thanks for that preview of the documentary. I'm looking forward to seeing it. Brian Jones' story should be told. However, I am wary of a couple things. 1. I fear the documentary is going to push this narrative that Jones was just interested in being an artist and not a pop star. The truth is that Jones wanted to be a pop star more than Jagger and Richard. He went along the whole way in having Oldham as the manager, and accepting that the Stones had to write their own pop songs to achieve fame and riches. 2. I'm also a bit wary of Keith Richards not being in this documentary. Richards was in a unique position to know Jones in the way no one could. Even Wyman. I'm wary the doc will push a story of Richards and Jagger not respecting Jones' talent. I think the truth is that Richards and Jagger wanted Jones to badly be a contributing member of the band because of his talent. The very fact that they put up with everything Jones did outside of music is a testament to how highly they regarded him as a musician.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

I don't consider Keith and Mick entirely reliable narrators when it comes to Brian. Brian had to put up with everything they and Andrew did to him. I agree they regarded him highly as a musician. That's why they should have supported him more in creating his own work.

@podgornik 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@marcbolan1818 2 ай бұрын

Love Brian and his contribution to kicking off the initial band, hist style, his slide playing, and his creative additions to the Stones 1963-1969 material, however, he was his own worst enemy and the biggest contributor to everything that he experienced.

@thecuriouslistener9217 2 ай бұрын

I wholly agree with that take. 💯

@beauyerks7413 9 ай бұрын

Part of Micks jealousy.... was frankly....though he was the frontman...b4 he got too addled..... th3 chicks all gravitated to brian

@circussounds855 7 ай бұрын

paul mccartney is now famous for re writing history…..he’s become quite the pro at it.

@thecuriouslistener9217 7 ай бұрын

How so?

@kosmicwizard 9 ай бұрын

He was murdered

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

You bet he was. Follow the money trail.

@ddlp8252 9 ай бұрын

Yes, indeed he was.

@wotdoesthisbuttondo 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, deathbed confessions aren't jokes.

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

Yep

@derekmoody1358 9 ай бұрын

@SuperAnimelover100 a worker did it & admitted it on his death bed

@adifferentpointofview105 8 ай бұрын

Small clarification. When Charlie Parker died at 35, the doctor who attended estimated his age as 55. So he looked 20 years older than he was, not 50.

@thecuriouslistener9217 8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@myrskylintu1 9 ай бұрын

Keith actually reveals quite a lot in his biography. Basically Brian went down because Keith and Brian fought over the same woman, and Brian unfortunately lost. Brian was destroyed after that as a band member. A member of his band stole his woman. Brian's career was not a slow decent, it was a climb that peaked on TSMR. Brian runs on all cylinders on that album. After TSMR Brian ended up on a fight in Marocco over the woman with Keith, and after that Brian just dived to the ground fast. This is my personal view about this as a Stones fan since 1978.

@BillyHayes79Music 9 ай бұрын

I’m not saying Keith had him killed but…..

@SuperAnimelover100 9 ай бұрын

@@BillyHayes79Music Keith knows something !

@sweetassugar2076 9 ай бұрын

@@BillyHayes79Musicno way I beg to differ

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Nonsense. Brian was well known as an abuser of women. He abused Anita breaking his wrist when trying to punch her in the face in a drunken rage. His hand glanced off her face and hit a metal window frame instead. Keith rescued her from her abuser and they fell in love having several children in the following years. Jones had been a heavy drinker and drug abuser well before that incident in Morocco. Brian Jones's worst enemy was Brian Jones. He killed himself with booze and drugs.

@randybackgammon890 9 ай бұрын

TSMR was recorded mostly after Keith 'stole' Pallenburg.Didn't seem to effect Brians creativity much at that point.And there are plenty of pictures of Brian grinning(and not grinning)his way through '67.I think his major demise came in '68.But the '60s plus drugs,before anybody had a road map for it,was a potentialy lethal combo for all but the strongest and smartest.Brian was intelligent but not too strong or smart✌️

@user-zx8qq1so7j 6 ай бұрын

What is hard to understand is when a person is treated badly by the institution that is in charge, and that same group denies them and no matter what that person does they refuse to recognize them as worthy individuals creating a wall between them and the person they have disowned. If that person feels they will never be accepted no matter what they do will turn their anger inwards where it keeps festering until they give up and unfortunately prove the establishment was right all along that they were no good for nothing. Imagine having that hanging over your head, that no matter what you do you are just no good, never were, and never will be, no, what a good boy you are, only that you are no good and exposing all your shortcomings. Imagine feeling nothing you do will ever be validated, that you are wasting your time by trying because you will never give you another chance???

@wotdoesthisbuttondo 9 ай бұрын

Is it basically more character assassination to stop Mick and Keith looking bad?

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

That is an interesting question. My impression Watching the film is that is pretty fair to all parties - Brian, Mick and Keith. It doesn't let Mick and Keith off the hook but it also doesn't sugar-coat Brian.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

I've seen the doc, Nick Broomfield, Bill Wyman, and Paul Trynka definitely made sure Brian's musical contributions were front and center. The women in Brian's life were a very strong presence throughout, which is awesome. 👩 And most of all, the lesson I took away is, when you see someone having a hard time in life, be a friend. Say something. Just be kind.

@j-mac7401 9 ай бұрын

Robert Johnson passed away at 27yrs of age.....

@brianjones4026 9 ай бұрын

Why indeed did Jagger and Richards not attend to the funeral .... ?? Why did an excellent swiimer Brian Jones die in his pool ... ?? Why was there little investigation when it was known that there was a group of men present in that pool with Brian the day of his death ! Painters and plasterer gang brought in by Keylock the " Gangster Road Manager " of the band ! Brian was too a brilliant mind and loose end, he had to go to be " free " of him ! It was Murder, I know becuase I have talked with a Beautiful old French lady by the nmae of ZouZou in Paris, she was extremely close to Brian, he told her everything ! She is dead now I am sure, but I am not ! So to End up this , my comment, they killed the Owner and Creater of thIS Band we know as the Rolling Stones !

@BigSky1 9 ай бұрын

Zouzou is interviewed in the new documentary so I think she is alive.

@brianjones4026 9 ай бұрын

Oh is she now, well that is Lovely News ! I often though about her as she is one Amazing Lady ! Maybe finally the World might get the Truth on this, as indeed it needs to be appointed, despite all of these years !@@BigSky1

@BigSky1 9 ай бұрын

Zouzou is 79. You can see her entry on Wikipedia.

@Diosprometheus 8 ай бұрын

I have read Mick was making a movie in Australia, the awful Ned Kelly.

@BigSky1 8 ай бұрын

@@Diosprometheus Yes. Mick had to fly to Oz to make Ned Kelly after The Hyde Park concert so could not go to Brian’s funeral. Keith decided for whatever reason not to go. Bill and Charlie were there.

@gailobrien9380 3 ай бұрын

This is an EXCELLENT review of the new Brian Jones documentary! Now there’s an incredible doc on Anita Pallenberg, where you will get her side of the story of her breakup with Brian!

@FuturePast2019 5 ай бұрын

In 1963 ads said Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones before their first album And by then Brian J had 4 children with 4 different ...

@funksfparty-fx6dz 9 ай бұрын

No - Robert Johnson was the first of the 27 club.

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

Many view the 27 Club as composed of artists who enjoyed worldwide fame. Nevertheless, I think Brian would agree with you.

@willardarmbruster8111 8 ай бұрын

People always fail to mention the brilliant 27 yo musician who died two weeks before Hendrix. Alan Wilson.

@thecuriouslistener9217 8 ай бұрын

I appreciate this and I will look into him. Thanks!

@debradavis9589 8 ай бұрын

😢RIP blind al Wilson

@harveyyoung3423 3 ай бұрын

I first saw the Stones in 1981-2 tour at Wembley. The first time I recognised mention of Brian Jones outside of books and such on the Rolling Stones was in the Madonna movie "Desperately Seeking Susan" (1985) which i saw one night on tv around 1987 i guess. It made me realise it was his picture, along with others of "The 27 Club" on a punk single by the Sex Pistols or Sid vicious, I had from 1979-80.

@thecuriouslistener9217 3 ай бұрын

How cool to have seen them at such an iconic venue right after the release of Tattoo You, which I consider to be the last great Rolling Stones record. ✌️

@peter22564 4 ай бұрын

There are those that lived and there are those that loved but hey let’s deal with reality Brian left a great legacy all those different instruments Brian played so many different instruments on those classic stones tunes the first British musician to play slide bottle neck on British tv phenomenal and what he provides to the song no expectations is just beautiful but also sad your gone Brian and we all miss you but hey you can’t kill spirit that lives forever ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ rip great soul ❤️❤️

@gailobrien9380 3 ай бұрын

Brian played saxophone on the Beatles song, BABY You’re a Rich Man!

@thecuriouslistener9217 3 ай бұрын

That is amazing, if true. Such a great track. One of my favorite Beatles tunes. ✌️

@garymalski3837 3 ай бұрын

Brian Jones did not appear on "Baby, You're a Rich Man," but Mick Jagger did, providing backing vocals. Brian Jones actually played alto sax on an obscure Beatles song titled, "You Know My Name, Look Up My Number," which if I remember was on the flip side of the "Let It Be" single.

@skaboosh 16 күн бұрын

Who killed Cock Robin.....?... and allegedly, i think more than but let's say allegedly, a large part of the sunshine superman album music was written by shawn phillips, and did he get credit and pay? Err.... no....

@wendyhandley9463 9 ай бұрын

Ive not seenovie yet but looking forward to it. I really loved jones"s talent and ideas and the fact that there would be NO Rolling Stones if it werent for him. So om glad i get to listen to geeat music and wear cool t shirts thanks to Brian. I think like a lot of musicians beian was driven and so was selfish, callous and cruel. If you were to know the truth about most rock stars youd see the same traits, my aube not the gorlfriend beating stuff, but mostly everything else... Because brian doed at duch a young age he was exposed amd were all his flaws. Ill bet if you look back at bowie or bolan or any of them youll hear stories of cruelty on their part, its just noone asks...... Ill remmember the guy for HH is talent and feel sorry for those he hurt amd hirt jim aling the way. Lifes a b****.

@victorghossn8451 9 ай бұрын

Brian was magnificent till he died rip..GOD BLESS THE ROLLIING STONES..MICK..KEITH...CHARLIE...BILL..RONNIE..MICK TAYLOR..CHUCK LAVELLE..ALL THEIR HORN PLAYERS..BILLY PRESTON..DARYL JONES..THEUR BRILLIANT 60 YEARS OF SUPERIORITY THE STONES R THE LONGEST LASTING GREATEST BAND OF OUR TIME. THE NEW ALBUM HACKNEY DIAMONDS IS TERRIFIC ENJOY EVERYONE. .

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

Brian like had psychological issues that went untreated. I don't believe it's accurate to dismiss him as just "cruel."

@nevillesellars6532 3 күн бұрын

Brian was the star

@BeesWaxMinder 9 ай бұрын

When's this gonna be shown, please..?

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

It is available now to stream. I watched it through Amazon Prime.

@BeesWaxMinder 9 ай бұрын

@@thecuriouslistener9217 thanks

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

It's also on KZfaq. And I read might be on DVD in February.@@BeesWaxMinder

@BeesWaxMinder 7 ай бұрын

@@TheaterPup that would be great! Do you have a KZfaq link I don't seem to be able to find it…

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

Here's the link to the full movie: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g92DfaWWnazPnWw.htmlsi=v8j5N5izLIgzvE0d Also here's two clips: Bill Wyman Talks Ruby Tuesday: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtB1Z6eYq7zbgYk.html "The Blues were Brian's Salvation": kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLZoarWbrs6UaKM.html@@BeesWaxMinder

@JC-jr9hw 8 ай бұрын

I haven’t seen it yet, but just curious if they talk about how Alan Klein and the band wanted rights to the name the Rolling Stones which Brian owned and wouldn’t give up. Don’t believe the bullshit stories about him drowning or about some fucking builder killing him for a few thousand pounds or whatever it was. There was a lot more at stake back then and it’s absolutely pathetic and shameful of the British police that they didn’t investigate it properly and still haven’t. The stones fixer Tom Keylock (whose brother was, wait for it..:A COP) was most probably involved, and he sure as shit wasn’t acting on his own orders If you know what I mean. He denied being there for decades, but admitted he was there that night before his death. Look up the investigative work of Trevor Hobley, if you’d like to know more. What a tragedy, compounded by the fact that it was never properly looked into.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

The documentary doesn't get into conspiracy theories.

@user-zx8qq1so7j 6 ай бұрын

Brian drowned elsewhere then thrown in the pool to confuse the murder, Mick and Keith went to his home asking for the title Rolling Stones they dunked him in a big drum full of water and held him under too long then threw him in the pool where he stayed at the bottom meaning no air in his lungs or he would have been found floating..

@TheaterPup 6 ай бұрын

@@user-zx8qq1so7j No.

@JeffRebornNow 6 ай бұрын

I saw that interview with Morrison's father. He was a clueless tool. He didn't understand his son one iota. 95% of male rock-n-roll singers wish they had Morrison's singing prowess. Also @The Curious Listener Forget for a moment that Brian Jones was Brian Jones. See him as just another sick and suffering addict. Even when he was far from The Sones orbit (say, 6 thousand miles away @ Monterrey) he was gobbling pills like mad and walking around stupefied, literally a zombie. Anita Pallenberg: "We all took drugs, but Brian took too many drugs, and the wrong kind of drugs." No one is responsible for Jones' self-destructive arc but Jones himself. If you're an addict and you go into a rehab (or a 12 Step recovery group) and you start off by blaming other people for your drug use, you'll be schooled pretty quickly.

@jefferysteen1041 3 ай бұрын

I'm over it

@gregprice103 9 күн бұрын

Little bit like Syd Barrett

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 күн бұрын

@@gregprice103 💯 👌

@charlesbronson4282 9 ай бұрын

Keith Richards killed Brian Jones

@elenikorkodelaki2695 9 ай бұрын

How can You tell this?..

@MrsDrGonzo1971 6 ай бұрын

No way

@elenikorkodelaki2695 6 ай бұрын

@@MrsDrGonzo1971 I don't believe it, it's to crazy!

@sparkle1108 2 ай бұрын

Maybe indirectly, because Keith fired home renovator Frank Thorogood for double billing, and then they (or "evil chauffeur"/Stones fixer Tom Keylock) hired him to work on Brian's house. Keith also gave Brian a white powder which made him quite sick, as described by Brian's final live-in girl friend Anna Wohlin in her book about Brian. I've always wondered to what extent Brian owned the group's name (he was their founder and de facto manager in the beginning, and he named the group), and whether that was a big issue when they were firing him.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

Btw, two clips from the documentary: Bill Wyman Talks Ruby Tuesday: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtB1Z6eYq7zbgYk.html "The Blues were Brian's Salvation": kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLZoarWbrs6UaKM.html

@michaelswincicki1252 9 ай бұрын

When will the DVD be.....putout.

@iandaniel2153 9 ай бұрын

The common thread with the 27 club is the connection with drugs and / or the occult. Why 27? ... in numerolinguistics the number 27 reduces to 9 the number of completion.

@wendyhandley9463 9 ай бұрын

I apologise for the appalling spelling in previous text

@arricammarques1955 9 ай бұрын

Link to screen the documentary?

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

I watched it on Amazon Prime, if that helps

@w1lf1ewoo 9 ай бұрын

“ know one knows who Brian Jones is “??? That’s just nonsense…. He’s part of r n r folklore , along with the 27 club etc …. BTW, Bill Wyman’s last recording with the stones was ‘Hiwire/Sex drive 1991…. Every few years we are re-remembering Brian Jones for better or worse

@nevillesellars6532 3 күн бұрын

Yes it was never investigated, no drink r drugs in is body

@mphrdldn 8 ай бұрын

You have to wonder why "millions of Americans" needed a group of five young Englishmen to introduce them to American blues.

@thecuriouslistener9217 8 ай бұрын

A powerful, important point. Absolutely.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

No need to wonder, the answer is kinda obvious.

@onhumannature1087 9 ай бұрын

Come on Curious Listener, you let the other lunatic spew out his crazy rants but you shadowban my comments??

@fredhill8260 8 ай бұрын

Was it murder? Or was he sacrificed? If it was a sacrifice did he give himself willingly or unwillingly 😮

@TheTubbeater 9 ай бұрын

you can be Dead right, but if you're drinking and drugging... your wrong! too bad treatment and intervention wasn't known much back then

@williardbillmore5713 5 ай бұрын

Brian had feelings of inadequacy for a very good reason...He was inadequate. He couldn't sing , he couldn't write, he couldn't dance, he couldn't improvise and he found himself in a band where others in the band could do all those things. He was a poser and a hanger on.

@helmutsecke3529 9 ай бұрын

What does 'hischtory' mean?

@raleighsmalls4653 9 ай бұрын

And his Dad was gchq....Keith and Mick we're hungrier, lower class punks out to get him because he was paying himself a bigger cut given that it was his band, more talented instrumentalist and song writer.....

@thecuriouslistener9217 9 ай бұрын

So much fuming envy, jealousy and backstabbing at the beginnings of that band, it seems. Lots of ruthless pursuit of fame.

@wotdoesthisbuttondo 9 ай бұрын

Seems fair enough as manager at the time and it's his band plus Mick and Keith being allowed to hog songwriting it's only fair Brain got his own slice of the pie.

@DanDan-le3be 9 ай бұрын

@wotdoesthisbuttondo They were angry at Brian for taking a bigger cut even though the band already had a manager at the time. Giorgio Gomelsky was the bands manager and it was him that got them a residency at a club called the Crawdaddy.

@wotdoesthisbuttondo 9 ай бұрын

@@DanDan-le3be Well he did something extra in the background anyway though i get several want it downplayed to make less deserving people appear better and excuse the ill treatment dished out to him. Some documentaries are just too awkward for those still alive like i can't see there being an honest one about early Pink Floyd as Roger Waters would come across as a complete b'stard towards Syd whilst Waters runs around trying to appear fair/reasonable and full of remorse about Syd today,

@DanDan-le3be 9 ай бұрын

@wotdoesthisbuttondo Don't think anyone downplays his importance at the very beginning but at the time he managed to get himself paid more the band had very little money, they had yet to get a record contract and none of them were writing songs yet, it's easy to see why his bandmates would be miffed with him getting extra money behind their backs when they were already paying a manager to organise gigs and such.

@maryettamoody5079 5 ай бұрын

Strange

@Methilde 7 ай бұрын

Wrong first phrase, it's admitted today that he was co-founder, so i stop, bye :)

@OldwomanWithacasket-yf6wh 5 ай бұрын

Amazing how people are so desperate to find something praise-worthy with regard to his meagre contributions & shitty guitar playing. 3 or 4 examples of BJ's lame slide & a few stray riffs here & there pretty much represents Jones' entire legacy in a band { the magnitude of which ) he had no business ever being a member of.

@TheaterPup Ай бұрын

Rubbish comment.

@philfrank9226 8 ай бұрын

How boring this mainstream content. It seemed that u have no clue what really happened behind the curtain. And these were no tragical death`, all were murdered.

@patricias5122 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning the women that B.J. used and abused and abandoned .... the fanboy bios usually ignore that side of Jones.

@TheaterPup 7 ай бұрын

The women in Brian's life are in the documentary. They care a great deal about him, despite his troubles.

@shelleylyme6402 14 күн бұрын

For Godsake, if you fancy yourself as a presenter, slow down, stop stuttering and give your brain time to catch up with your mouth.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

All accounts that Brian founded and created the Rolling Stones comes directly or indirectly from Bill Wyman. When Brian and Ian joined Keith's band in April or May of 1962 Bill was not there and did not become a member for another seven months joining the band in mid- December of 62. He could NOT have ANY first hand knowledge of how the band was formed. He did not even know them at that time. What Bill regurgitates are the braggadocious lies his Bandmate Brian told him as the were roommates when on tour for seven years. Jones did not found the band, he did not audition anyone who became a member or select any of the band. He did not lead or change the direction of the Rolling Stones as they were already playing blues songs in Blues clubs, which was why brian asked Keith if he could join Keith's band in the first place.

@Diosprometheus 8 ай бұрын

~ All accounts that Brian founded and created the Rolling Stones comes directly or indirectly from Bill Wyman. That is a big fat lie like you are a big fat liar. There are accounts from the 1960s that prove you are liar. Alexis Korner would say otherwise too, You also greatly exaggerate the influence of the Blue Boys who were terrible musically. As early as 1957, Brian played with trumpet player, Bill Nile and his band. the Delta Jazzmen. Nile's singer said Dave Jones said of Brian, "He a good guitarist, better than many in the London scene, and was easy to with musically". As for Dick Taylor, he has said, "Both Keith and myself had a lot of respect for Brian's musical abilities which were quite a bit ahead of our own".

@James-mz7tv 5 ай бұрын

BRIAN JONES, lol.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Brian had been playing guitar for only three years memorizing only a handful of blues songs, when he met Keith. Keith had been playing only guitar for over ten years in every genre of music from classical to jazz to rhythm and Blues. Keith had to teach and direct Brian how to play most of what he did in the Rolling Stones. Mick had been playing harmonica for many years before the Stones, learning from different artists than Brian listened to. Their styles of harmonica playing are as different as night and day. Brian plays a more rhythmical style where Mick's treatment of the instrument is more melodic emotionally expressive Anyone with a musical background has to laugh when people claim that Jones taught either Mick or Keith ANYTHING. These are, on their face, obvious lies and braggadocious hyperbole crediting Jones with things he could not have done.

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

Those guys owe him everything

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@alt-logia776 No they do not. Jones actually contributed very little to their success as is witnessed by the fact that they became bigger , better with more record sales and greater critical acclaim ,just after they fired him.

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 They learned so much from him, he was incredibly gifted

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@alt-logia776Brian had very little musical ability . He was not gifted and Mick and Keith had to teach him everything about playing pop music. It is all a myth.

@elenikorkodelaki2695 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713😂😂😂😂

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

Brian Jones did NOT "found" or create the Rolling Stones. He was not ever a founding member of the band that BECAME the Rolling Stone. Read and learn from Brian Jones; own handwritten authenticated words; The story of how The Rolling Stones formed has now been codified in the rock and roll history books. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were already acquainted, while Brian Jones played with Alexis Korner’s Blues Incorporated, Ian Stewart, and Charlie Watts. The meeting between these parties at the Ealing Jazz Club served as the flashpoint for 60 years of rock music. If you asked Jones how the band formed in the early days, however, you might have gotten a direct response in the form of a letter. When the Stones were in their earliest solidified incarnation, Jones received a letter from a fan named Doreen Pettifer. She asked how the Stones had formed, and Jones was amicable enough to provide her with an answer. “Dear Doreen / Many thanks for your letter and for the great interest you have shown in the band,” Jones writes. “It’s very gratifying that you should be so willing to help us to the extent you are doing so. Some information.” From there, Jones lays out each of the band members and what their duties entail. Personnel: Keith Richards - Guitar - 19 years old - went to Art School, then straight into rhythm and blues. Mick Jagger - Vocal Harmonica 19 years old. London School of Economics. Charlie Watts, 21 worked in advertising for some years - now full-time musician. (Drummer) Jan Stewart - Piano, 23 works with I.C.I. as a Shipping Clerk during the day (known affectionately as “Stu”) Bill Wyman - Bass - 23, works during the day as a storekeeper or something equally horrible. Only member of the band married - only one who’ll ever be married. Proud father of a baby son (or daughter) Myself, Brian Jones - Guitar and Harmonica, 21 was studying Architecture - more artistic satisfaction from R & B. (Mick, Keith, and myself as I expect you noticed, wear our hair out long, the others being more conventional) Jones also provides a brief history of the band up to that point. *“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* Adding: “The first job we did was a half an evening at the Marquee, Oxford Street standing in for Alexis Komer’s Blues Inc. Our first residency was at the Ealing Club, Ealing Boy, which we still do most weeks, unless we are playing elsewhere. Charlie joined us at this point & Bill a bit later. By now we have carried our banner to most parts of London, though by no means every area. We are finding our style of rhythm and blues more readily acceptable than most others in the country at the moment”. If you’re interested in owning this specific piece of rock and roll history, Bonhams has put the letter up for auction. A word of warning, though: the item won’t go cheap. Current estimations have the letter going for between £17,000 - £25,000. Jones asked Keith if he and Ian could join Keith's band The Blue Boys and Keith agreed. Anything else is a myth a lie or an untrue legend.

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

He was truly a genius, recruiting the right people, naming the band, choosing the music, getting the gigs, amazing really

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@alt-logia776Unfortunately , none of what you just said is true. There was no genius in anything Brian played, He did not recruit anyone who became a full member, Jones did not "choose" any of the music the Stones played. He did get a very few gigs early on, but he also took extra payment even when they had gigs that he did not procure.The rest of the band was not informed of the extra payment Jones took from them. That dishonesty cut a deep divide between Brian and the rest of the Stones that never healed. The only amazing thing really, is that they put up with him for as long as they did.

@williardbillmore5713 9 ай бұрын

@@alt-logia776 Jones did not start the Rolling Stones. It is a myth and a lie. Brian joined Keith s band The Blue Boys and they changed their name to the Rolling Stones. *“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* ---Brian Jones 1963

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 He really was a visionary , creating the biggest R&R band in the world and at such a young age, it's quite something

@alt-logia776 9 ай бұрын

@@williardbillmore5713 You seem to be interested by the Stones' story. You'll see when you learn more about it how fascinating it is. Kudos to Brian for creating what became a part of modern History!