New Genestealer Cults Combat Patrol and Battleforce Review: it is not as bad as you might think...

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The old Hand of the Magus Combat Patrol has been replaced and the new Claw of Ascension Combat Patrol has been announced. While both combat patrol boxes can be used in Combat Patrol games in 40k you will no longed be able to buy the old combat patrol. That is where the Genestealer Cults combat patrol has gone, it was discontinued and replaced by a new version. I will be comparing the new genestealer cults combat patrol to the old one. Should I buy the Genestealer Cult combat patrol? Is the GSC combat patrol worth it? These are my first impressions on the GSC combat patrol as a veteran Genestealer Cult player to advise if these Warhamer 40,000 boxes are worth buying.
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00:00 Does the new Genestealer Cults Combat Patrol live up to its purpose?
01:33 Is the New Genestealer Cults Combat Patrol good value?
03:19 Comparison to the previous Genestealer Cults Combat Patrol
04:34 The benefits of the New Combat Patrol
06:19 The Biosanctic Broodsurge Battleforce Benefits
07:57 The problems with new Games Workshop models
10:45 Biosanctic broodsurge detachment and tactics
11:53 Drawbacks of the Battleforce
12:21 The Silver Lining - Ascension Day will come!
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@Itsallover57 23 күн бұрын

Carmian: combat patrols have to do two things Me: combat and patrol Carmian: no

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

Ok, that made me laugh

@mygoogleacount 23 күн бұрын

underrated comment.

@Zabzim 23 күн бұрын

Combat patrols these days are more about balancing the 40K into game Combat Patrol than the actually selling introductions to a faction

@thefloatingcontinent9897 23 күн бұрын

The manager at my local GW store flat told me that. Paraphrasing: “combat patrols aren’t supposed to be used to start an army, they’re supposed to be used to play the combat patrol game. They should have useful units to add to an existing army but getting new players into the faction? that’s what Battleforces are supposed to be for.”

@luketfer 23 күн бұрын

@@thefloatingcontinent9897 Then bring back the god damn start collecting boxes instead...also I honestly don't know anyone who plays the 'combat patrol game'. Everyone I've seen get into it with 10th just goes straight into a lower points cost regular 40k game. And now they're looking to try to push Combat Patrol into AoS...so I can't imagine they're very happy about it either.

@shaedeymamlas5496 23 күн бұрын

@@thefloatingcontinent9897sad thing when the battleforce sells out in 2 minutes flat (the good ones), or is genuinely not good (sisters one)

@thefloatingcontinent9897 23 күн бұрын

@@luketfer yeah that would be pretty great. A start collecting, even at a higher price point, that gave customers a sizable and good variety of units would probably sell well and have similar profit margins.

@dragonqueenniisan4122 23 күн бұрын

@@luketfer I did play Combat Patrol once, I very much did not like it. I enjoy unit building and flexibility and the only major choices you can make in combat patrol are what enhancement you put on your character, and even then, there is one obviously bad choice and one good choice so you dont really choose.

@chriscannon7065 23 күн бұрын

one thing, not every combat patrol has had battle line units. The original space marine one for this edition is noticeably lacking in this and they gave you a stratagem to be able to sticky objectives.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

keep me correct!

@LordFueFue 22 күн бұрын

I bought three of the amazing 9th ed Combat Patrol. . . So I own no bikes and no snipers. . . So I will buy two of these 10th ed Combat Patrols, and the kill team for my warlord.

@josepholivarez1281 23 күн бұрын

My initial thoughts is that it isn't fantastic for a new player, significantly worse than the previous one, *but* it's pretty great for existing buyers of the previous combat patrol/battleforce to round out their collection.

@MrShukaku1991 23 күн бұрын

I think it's fine for a new player, though it is a bit skewed, like the Ork Beast Snagga patrol. They're both good, it's just also they're both one specific aspect of the army rather than a varied starter platter.

@Grooviebones 21 күн бұрын

I assume GW does factor in the previous boxes of the faction to determine new ones, y'know, just to make sure they aren't too samey. However, it is also GW, so I assume malicious cost saving measures on their part before I assume they are being considerate of long-term fans of a faction. I assume they aren't trying to round out peoples collections, they just needed different units from the previous patrol and wanted to put less value in it, which coincidentally rounds out the previous patrol.

@shovel9824 23 күн бұрын

Thank the gods I watched this video before the combat patrol came out. I was planning on getting it as I need the Jacakls and Ridgerunner, and figured 10 more ACOLYTE HYBRIDS won’t hurt. Now knowing there just hybrid metamorphs I’ll just buy the two kits I need. Thanks

@UmULW 23 күн бұрын

They should be able to be built alternatively into the 10 acolytes no? And if you wanted to play an actually combat patrol I'm sure that proxying them wouldn't be too much work.

@Altines 22 күн бұрын

I mean, maybe the hybrids will be good in the new codex

@josephercanbrack8393 23 күн бұрын

Me, who got the old CP before this, and is only looking to build 1000pts: Wooohoooo!

@khornebread4802 23 күн бұрын

That Jackal Alpha you made look great!

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

thank you!

@everetthectory3134 23 күн бұрын

A great day when the true vampire lord posts!

@lucasalexander43 23 күн бұрын

All hail our vampire overlord!

@Manny_lol 23 күн бұрын

Ever since the 40k MTG decks came out, Atalan Jackal as a card has been finding its way into almost every red+green deck in my community. I'm actually really stoked that there's a discount box with them in it

@TheGraham27 22 күн бұрын

As a new player to GSC, I think these boxes are great. I bought 2 of the last patrol boxsets and some genestealers, 1 squad of bikes. So this expands my army in different ways, more genestealers and aberrants to go that way, more trucks and bikes for mechanized list if it works out, more metamorphs or hybrids, more Neophytes if I need to, and ridgerunners. Saying that, I can see how some people who have been playing them longer may not enjoy the boxsets. You'll probably never have a better patrol boxset like last one, I do like how it's different options, so you have a chance to expand for cheaper. .....if you bought the old boxset of course.

@lucasalexander43 23 күн бұрын

The kit bashed Jackal looks great. I think I'll steal that idea.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

thanks!

@MrShukaku1991 23 күн бұрын

I think one of the best parts of playing a human(and gsc) faction, is you've got lots of other armys to draw on. Guard, Sisters, ad mech, Imperial Agents and GSC can all kinda borrow bits and bobs from eachother. Just not quite as great as being an ork and being able to snag da good bitz from whoeva wez want to.

@MikeSpicyWinner 22 күн бұрын

As someone who bought 3 of the old GSC combat patrol, I’m pretty stoked about the new one. We knew it was going to be bad but it could’ve been worse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

@Dem0n1c_S0ld1er 23 күн бұрын

I want that combat patrol box since some of the vehicles are on my gene stealer cult list

@unomauhasard5219 23 күн бұрын

I got the gsc shadow throne half, two old combat patrol and a boarding patrol. This new combat patrol almost completes my entire gsc range.

@christianknaack4190 22 күн бұрын

Combat Patrol magazine gives every army one unit extra. For genestealer cult it is one box of jackals

@MorbidElegy 22 күн бұрын

I managed to pick up one of the old Combat Patrol at the discounted price when they got discontinued, so I would very much like to get the Battleforce and new Combat Patrol to finish out a varied force of the army as a good starting point! Probably get more Neophytes over time. Good video!

@Mouseling216 23 күн бұрын

I'm glad that metamorphs may become battleline - finally, mine may see more play

@spruceforester3038 23 күн бұрын

Honestly I think if you make a few armature with empty head and arm sockets you can have both Acolytes and Metamorphs which gives you more infantry more units and more points per dollar.

@scarletsurge5624 23 күн бұрын

I usually purchase models through Amazon as it is cheaper but once I realized they were taking the previous combat patrol away, I ran to a local game store who was selling them full price and bought 2 of them at full GW price😭

@LordFueFue 22 күн бұрын

I bought 3 when they were on sale on Amazon. . . I was so happy. . . I bought 6 of the thousands son ones too for I think $58 a peace.

@B1-997 21 күн бұрын

@@LordFueFue you must love tzangors alot.

@alexanderwulff7805 23 күн бұрын

We get 2 trucks with the battleforce :)

@JanBaucke 23 күн бұрын

Hachette's Combat Patrol Magazine has me worried at the moment. Between the test run and the actual product there were changes to at least Imperium and Stormbringer, small changes but changes. At least I hope that it really includes the old CPs and that the old ones weren't just a placeholder for the new ones. Because of those included, only the Space Marines and Tyranid CPs were already known in the new variant. For me: if old CPs, then hopefully a publication here in Germany (like Conquest, Imperium and Stormbringer - Mortal Realms was not published here) and then I have 2 subscriptions. If there is also the announced Premium content, then both subscriptions will also become Premium.

@hirostroud 23 күн бұрын

Luckily picked up 3 of the old combat patrol, but been wanting bikes so 2 may be a reasonable value for filling the missing gaps

@mistformsquirrel 23 күн бұрын

Man... I feel like I'm gonna grab a couple Drukhari combat patrols ASAP - I don't play them yet, but I know I want to someday and the way these are going... eesh.

@Rexir2 23 күн бұрын

1:20 "Every single Combat Patrol has had a Battleline unit included..." Combat Patrol: Space Marines has 2 Terminator leader characters, a 5-man Infernus Squad and a 5-man Terminator Squad; no Battleline units. Additionally, the Vanguard Spearhead set they rereleased afterwards has a Phobos Lieutenant, 10 Infiltrators, 3 Eliminators and 3 Suppressors; no Battleline units.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

I keep forgetting the SM one because it is Leviathan but smaller. I know the Vanguard set has rules in White Dwarf but I don't think it got a Combat Patrol box release

@dekametr 23 күн бұрын

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Strike Team Solarien is a Phobos Librarian and the Vanguard Task Force box without eliminator. now they are out of stock

@shwah8299 18 күн бұрын

HOW TO START GSC CHEAP: Ebay sometimes have listings for Deathwatch Overkill for $120-$150. These don't have the Space Marines and/or are partially built sometimes. The models are all push-fit mono-pose but you get everything you need to start an army.

@colinbielat8558 23 күн бұрын

I literally went and bought the drukari combat patrol because I knew they eould screw up the 10th refresh

@waltereadie3620 23 күн бұрын

The third thing a CP box should do (and IMO most important) is be fun and effectove to play in actual games of combat patrol. I like to get CP boxes i know i'll never have the army for just for combat patrol game variety

@silentwabbit1065 23 күн бұрын

Yeah, I am excited for this combat patrol just because it has all other units that I already don't have. But as our teacher and preacher on four armed Emperor said... you don't really need two of those. Thankfully I listened to him and got two of old ones before they sold out (nabbed literally the last one that came in my country).

@thefloridaman41 23 күн бұрын

Everything is an improvement on the Dark Angel’s one where you get a character that can’t be attached to anything in the box

@darklink9922 23 күн бұрын

M y issue with Combat patrols is that thwyre removing transports from alot of them. EonsOfBattle said it in a video and i couldnt agree with it more "Transports are importants and good units but buying transports sucks because theyre not exciting". Him saying that mare me realize i never straight bought a single transport theyve all been from bigger boxes.

@B1-997 21 күн бұрын

Thats what makes the new Tau CP look great, got a transport included.

@darklink9922 21 күн бұрын

@B1-997 Agreed I'm glad they managed to keep one in their combat patrol

@Akimbo411 23 күн бұрын

I’m fine with GW changing combat patrol boxes into sets of models to be played against other Patrols but not fine with them refusing to change the price to match.

@michaelcrawford1233 23 күн бұрын

Ooooo... based on what they have done will we get sticky from hybrids.

@snipebob2222 22 күн бұрын

Old Ork kits are the Goat of modeling kits. Could use ork boyz, lootas burners storm boyz heck even nobz kits works so well for bit bashing.

@demon1103 23 күн бұрын

Honestly all they needed to do for these CP was to just add in one extra unit to make up for what's being taken out (Sisters for example lost both a Rhino+PE without anything taking their place). As for anyone who'd bring up balance for the CP game mode, take a look at the Custodes box and their rules. Custodes are only able to use 40-50% of their box in CP mode, this means GW could give great value in the boxes, and then adjust the rules/ limit units in the game mode to balance.....but that doesn't maximize profit.

@lukestewart6155 6 күн бұрын

I’m wanting gene Steelers, but I’m gonna spend the money and get the new one from the under hive

@KamenRiderGreed 23 күн бұрын

Oh boy, am I glad I grabbed 4 copies of the old Combat Patrol. I might end up grabbing one of the new Combat Patrol boxes since I don't have any bikes. Although. . . the new Battleforce is rather tempting🤔.

@nicholasray3749 23 күн бұрын

well we dont know what the new codex do yet.

@ravenRedwake 23 күн бұрын

That truck kinda looks cool…

@Brofisticus 23 күн бұрын

Haven't seen that rule about transports. This edition really doesn't have any redeeming value, does it?

@games-wz7sz 23 күн бұрын

The dwarves have multipart and you can pose the arms. They are from modern gw

@claypigeon7063 23 күн бұрын

Yea, after having ran þe numbers myself during a lunch break, þe new boxes are… not great, but not þe absolute dog water people were claiming during þe stream. But I suppose anyþing would look awful compared to þe Hand of the Magus we’ve enjoyed for so long. Now I need to adjust my numbers from a while back, but safe to say þe value of þis new Combat Patrol is not getting better. Why þe Jackal is $45.00 is beyond me, but c’est la vie. Also, I already ran all þe numbers; I posted it in _your_ Discord server. I tried to save you so much time… or at least half an hour. 😅

@robertlowe4784 23 күн бұрын

The new Combat patrol looks like a alternative version of the old start collecting box, just swapping the iconward n' neo's for bikers and the alpha... that was £55 I bought 5 of them 😢 I also bought 2 of the old Combat patrol although the new patrol is OK, I doubt many will be buying multiple

@xRedJacketManx 23 күн бұрын

Personally I like the New one. I have the Old one of course. But! I think getting some of the 5 Model Packs at a discount is good!

@ThroatSore 23 күн бұрын

I loke much of the music. Is there a source?

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

Most of the music is from Cat Records by Raelice

@spnked9516 23 күн бұрын

Cutting out the literal backbone of the GSC faction entirely for what is supposed to essentially be a box made for people with little to no prior investment in a faction sure is a decision. It feels like someone with no understanding of the faction saw the early meta for GSC at the beginning of 10ed and said, "Yeah, that'll sell well".

@PoYi-fi1zt 22 күн бұрын

The thing is people who bought the old combat patrols~~ have something to buy…

@tenebras 22 күн бұрын

am glad i was able yo buy another old gsc combat patrol, but am glad the new one is basically a good amount of filler units for me

@cptkrank6802 23 күн бұрын

The GSC Combat Patrol isn't for starting players. It's for players that bought 3x the previous combat patrol but avoided the bikes and vehicles because of the price of that crap, so you can finally have them for something approaching a reasonable price. I wouldn't recommend GSC to starting players anymore.

@get2burning 21 күн бұрын

here for the sisters content but mannnnn what if GSC also 🤔

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 20 күн бұрын

ah the Sisters to GSC - Von Carmian pipeline

@tonlito22 20 күн бұрын

Man am I sick of multi-part monopose. I lost it when I assembled Chaos Cultists and then Genestealer Neophyte Hybrids back to back.

@Behappyyou43 23 күн бұрын

Please make content on our girls im nervous, it's my first codex Change. XD Maybe deeper thoughts on the 5man repentia squads and 3 across from the last box. What will happen to my girls! Lmao

@lizadon0740 23 күн бұрын

I would like an army that is like this new Combat Patrol. I fast moving biker and vehicle army, but for geensellers this sucks.

@darnokx9277 23 күн бұрын

The new character being included in the Battleforce is actually a significant drawback for me - and the reason I will not get it. I think the Benefictus sculpt is hideous, and I do NOT want the "official" GW model. Without it though, the Battleforces value drops off massively, and I am not interested too much in the rest of the stuff in it either. So, hard pass for me. Still a solid box for anybody starting out AND liking the big brain dude.

@TexasJedii 23 күн бұрын

I Crave Sisters of Battle content Good video 🎉

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

probably not next video but the video after is the plan (leaks or sudden announcements notwithstanding)

@omnissiahsphinx6274 23 күн бұрын

The old GSC was better then the new one by a mile.

@cryptococcusneoformans2389 23 күн бұрын

well that look bad but i dont think can be worse than sister BF. A battleforce has 16 unit. A traitor SM BF that literally has demon primarch in still has more model in that box.

@rodharris948 23 күн бұрын

Honestly that Magus model was a warcrime against the actual value of the box, nobody wants to buy that model without a Primus or Patriarch. Imagine if it actually had a good character it would be an autobuy.

@games-wz7sz 23 күн бұрын

I don't need the battle box. I don't need the battle box. I don't need the battle box. I don't nee-...

@AndrBR0 23 күн бұрын

...For Necromunda

@DiscourseMinis 23 күн бұрын

Both the GSC and Sisters Combat Patrol replacements have made me profoundly sad :(

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 23 күн бұрын

thanks for commenting I think we would have been very shocked if GW put out better Combat Patrols than we had

@DiscourseMinis 23 күн бұрын

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Yeah that's true, but I woul dhave preferred them to stay the same - or get additional boxes that could be used in the CP game mode :D The whole thing is a huge missed opportunity

@Akimbo411 23 күн бұрын

No one is going around calling themselves a combat patrol player. These boxes are for the naive who don’t know about 40K points values and 3D printing

@tdlainc.4737 23 күн бұрын

"its not as bad as you might think" yeah But its no where near as good as it was.

@thefloatingcontinent9897 23 күн бұрын

As a financial advisor I have to explain to people everyday that overinflated value is not a baseline that you should be using to make investment decisions. The last combat patrol was overvalued and underpriced. The new combat patrol was not going to allow that to become a trend. This doesn’t mean it’s bad at all. Also your bike proxy dude looks awesome.

@snipebob2222 22 күн бұрын

Transport have to units inside them at the start of the battle or they explode........ That is the dumbest thing i ever heard.

@Akimbo411 23 күн бұрын

In case anyone doesn’t know, COMBAT PATROLS ARE NOT MULTI KITS. You can only build them one way

@lionusoctavus6444 22 күн бұрын

Most of them include multi part kits. My box was. The old sisters patrol and the space marine one are monobuild