Never existed. Religion was a limited view on why we are here, how we are here. This is a sad approach to cling to what is only a metaphor

Preterism is one of the most dangerous teaching in churches today. The other is to deny the Holy Spirit in-dwelling in the Temple/Church!

​​@@darrellclark2248 Be careful here, we all know what happens to liars (Revelation 21:8). I am not a Preterist, and your insinuation here by implication is very close to being a bold-faced lie. I have never advocated full preterism. All of the "Last Day" events have not yet happened. This however has nothing to do with the false assumption that Rome in Revelation is the harlot. It cannot be the harlot for variety of reasons, but most glaring is Revelation 11:8, "where our Lord was crucified," can only be Jerusalem. Of course, Rome was never destroyed, only ransacked a few times. The harlot of Revelation was destroyed by the beast, which is the Roman Empire (Revelation 17:16-17), and the beast hates the woman. Rome never hated itself. Rome never rode the beast in contempt of the beast, but this perfectly describes Jerusalem (Matthew 23:29-39; John 11:47-48; John 19:12, 19:14-15; Matthew 27:25). As Revelation 18:24 says, "And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth." Compared to Matthew 23:34-38, this is almost verbatim, "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate." The only part of Rome that fell was the Empire, but that happened in 476 AD, 400 years too late for Revelation 1:1-3, "shortly come to pass." This means that these events would happen immediately, problematic if the harlot is Rome, which has never been completely destroyed. Revelation 17 tells when the book was written, concerning the Caesars, "five have fallen" (Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius), "one is" which makes the sixth Caesar Nero. Since Nero began his persecution of Christians in 64 AD, and he died in June of 68 AD, the book was written at some point during this time according to what the text itself states

There are some excellent exegetical material in this presentation on the new heavens and earth and their application to a non-physical destruction and creation paradigm. However, the presenter does a gross injustice to these passages especially in the N.T. by over-looking or totally eliminating the time texts from the discussion. These passages are not written in a vacuum but are clearly limited by emphatic inspired time statements. No discussion of the new heavens and earth can be accurate without them. Matt. 24:3, 29, 35 all show the old heaven and earth ends with the fall of the temple, Matt. 24:34; Lk. 21:20-22, 32.. Compare Heb. 12:25-28, Rev. 20:11, 21:1-3 The harlot's fall was Jerusalem in 70AD, Rev. 11:8; 18:20, 24; 19:1,2. The marriage and new heavens and earth followed that event. Romans 8:18-23 describes the sufferings of "this present time" (the eschatological sufferings, i.e. the birth pangs of Matt. 24:8, and related texts) with the glory that was "about to be (mello) revealed. Rom. 13:11,12, shows the day to awake out of sleep, i.e. resurrection had advanced to the "last hour" with the day at hand, and should be paralleled with Paul's statements in 1 Thes. 4:15, 17, that "we who are alive and remain till the parousia" i.e. 1st century saints, not 21st century or beyond. 2 Pet. 3:10-13 cannot be separated from 1 Pet. 4:7, 17, where the end had drawn near and the time for judgment had come, as Peter reminds them of his 1st epistle 2 Pet. 3:1, 2. The entire book of Revelation from start to finish was about events, "shortly to come to pass," at hand, and about to occur, quickly. Rev 1:1,3, 19, 22:6, 10, 12. Thus, only by ignoring time statements can such texts be erroneously forced into futurists interpretations such as this very scholarly gentlemen has done. Aside from the omission of time statements, some very good points in the lesson.

@@AllthingsfulfilledEschatology You are not serious are you? You have done serious damage to the biblical narrative and ignore the end-time statement found in Rev 21-22. You have missed the point of the eschaton and distorted the message of the bible.

@@darrellclark2248 You have made a baseless assumption and offered no proof. How can you have TWO marriages, one in Rev. 19:7,8 that follows the destruction of Mystery Babylon, which has been established by the text, the presenter and other comments in this forum and another in Rev. 21:2, 9f? The marriage follows the judgment of the harlot city Jerusalem, the one drunken with the blood of the apostles and saints, whose cup was filled up in the first century persecutions of Christ, the apostles and the church. See Matt. 23:34-37; 1 Thes. 2:14-16, Rev. 17:1-6, 18:20, 24. Note the judgment on the harlot in 19:1-2, at which time the marriage of the Lamb comes. You can double check this by reading Matt. 22:1-8 to see that the wedding follows the destruction of the city. The same is found in Matt. 24-25. Destruction of the temple and city, then the marriage. Contrary to Catholic amillennial eschatology which the church adopted, there is no division that can exegetically be sustained between Matt. 24 and 25. Even McGuiggan acknowledged this long ago. Thus, the wedding follows the fall of Jerusalem. Now how can there be a different wedding in Rev. 21:2, 9ff, when it follows the destruction of the old heaven and earth, i.e. the Old Covenant ministration, which was already passing away when during the last days of that age? See 1 Cor. 7:31, 1 Jn. 2:17, Heb. 12:26, 2 Pet. 3:11,12, and pay careful attention to the verb tenses. The speaker has already acknowledged that the "elements" refer to Judaism. See Gal. 4:3, 9, Col. 2:8, 20, Heb. 5:12. Peter is using them the same way, and cites the prophecy from Deut. 32:22, 34-46, which is the judgment on Israel in their last days as one of his source texts.

Not impressed!

​@@darrellclark2248 Maybe you listen to Bro. Jenkins. You might learn something. I have a confession, before I heard his discussion on Revelation I also believed that Rome was the harlot, and would scratch my bald head every time I read the actual text, because the city of Rome definitely does not fit the text itself. I had to admit that Bro. Jenkins is correct, Jerusalem does fit the text. I listened to him about four years ago thinking that I would try to find where he was wrong, but became convinced that he is correct, and I highly recommend his series. He also, like others in the church is not a full preterist.

Whatever--satan team member! Every denomination has their intramural debates.

@@darrellclark2248true but I have never seen anything like the CoC. Preachers dis own children because they would not drink from one cup during the Lords supper. When Covid was spreading. Then turn around and say that we preach the same thing in all our congregations 😂 Jesus said a house divided can not stand. I hope it falls!! You argue and slander and call it debate. By all means keep it up.

@@stephenreeves8297 You have been very sheltered my friend. I have actually experience people of every stripe for over 40 years, I can personally account, everyone of us have crazy uncles in the closet. We have our crazies, and schisms for sure. Not ideal, but to wish Christians to divide is Satan's work, not a Christians (Eph 4:3) Have you ever read John's debates with the Pharisees, or how about Jesus. He was no shrinking Violet. Iron sharpens Iron! Maybe you have never been in an academic environment where they discuss heavy ideas. It would be helpful. I'm not a idealist when it comes to religion but a realist.

@@darrellclark2248 yes to wish Christians to divide is Satans work.

@@stephenreeves8297 At least you are honest about it.

You total miss the point of Revelation and the Bible.

If this is the New Heaven and New Earth 🌍 I’d hate to see Hell. There are some wild opinions happening here.

@@rogerjohnson7667 NEW is the point!

I would say the New Jerusalem i.e. Bride of Christ is now on earth (Revelation 21:2-3; 9-11). That was possible when the harlot (Old Jerusalem) was destroyed for her adultery "I am not a widow" (Ezekiel 16; Jeremiah 3, Hosea 1), and the Bride of Christ (New Jerusalem) came down out of heaven to take her place at the marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-9). When the harlot exclaimed, "We have no king but Caesar, let the blood of this man be on us and on our children," the Jewish nation had gone beyond repentance and their destruction was set in stone (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; Leviticus 26:14-39). The new wife, the Bride of Christ, New Jerusalem, had now made herself ready (Revelation 19:7).

@@larrymcclain8874 Big problem, it isn’t talking about Judaism, but Rome. The next thing, you are not dealing with the text but reading into it your presuppositions. Citing random scriptures doesn’t prove anything. You need to reason the text at hand before you bring in any other proof-text.