New hi-tech insertion craft prototype for the Royal Marines in action

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Ай бұрын

The Ministry of Defence is looking for a new design to replace the Royal Marine Commando Force's LCVP (Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel) - a design that can trace its origins back to the Second World War.
A submission from Steller Systems, known as the Offshore Insertion Craft, is in the running to be the LCVP's replacement, but can it meet the Ministry of Defence's requirements?
To win the MOD's Novel Amphibious Craft competition, any new design must be able to sustain a speed of 25 knots over up to 350 nautical miles.
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@mattwright2964 Ай бұрын

Turns broadsides into line of fire while carrying a full complement. Not sure!

@ppahppp 17 күн бұрын

Not to mention slowing down to turn and presumably slowing down to drop the winch anchor too 🤷‍♂️

@FinYoyo 17 күн бұрын

Jet propulsion is great for landing craft because most vulnerable propulsion parts are behind, not under the craft. Let's completely throw that away and go backwards into an unknown beach and use a god damn anchor to get out!

@nomad186 15 күн бұрын

the line of fire is in the sky with drones now and you can bet any landing we will have complete air superiority.

@89DerChristian 26 күн бұрын

People in the comments watched too much Saving Private Ryan... this is designed to stealthily deliver forces, not under fire, which becomes clear when looking at the requirements

@ppahppp 17 күн бұрын

Can't anywhere have an unseen threat. Why take some of the unnecessary risks of slowing to turn or anchor or present a side target to the land?

@HALLish-jl5mo 13 күн бұрын

@@ppahpppYou have two basic options: 1. Announce your presence, and go in slightly better prepared against an enemy that knows you are coming. This is now so dangerous the US marines refuse to do opposed landings. Low cost anti ship missiles were the last straw. 2. Go in stealthy, but less prepared to fight if you are noticed. Since in practical terms opposed landings are too dangerous to try anyway, stealth has a lot more utility.

@liamjohnson2474 9 күн бұрын

dropping an anchor is NOT stealthy. have you even ever been on a boat?

@89DerChristian 8 күн бұрын

@@liamjohnson2474 I meant stealth not in the term of quiet, but stealth in the term of not having an enemy force on the beach that can either observe or hear you. Not a native speaker so maybe I misused words. What I wanted to say: This boat is used in situations where there is no enemies around but for insertions of special forces. So it is also not a big deal to take a few minutes to take the boat around

@JackSmith-vd6mg 17 күн бұрын

Surely it's better for the slow "turn around" stage once personel and cargo have been unloaded. Instead of the other way around

@nickbutler7935 Ай бұрын

Seems vulnerable anchoring then turning around to deploy the ramp.

@lukedogwalker Ай бұрын

The anchor is a pretty good idea because if an LCVP gets beached, you need a Beach Armoured Recovery Vehicle, or a couple of other craft with tow lines, to get it off, again, which means if you don't own the beach or don't plan to stay long, you may lose the LCVP, or may not want to risk the insertion in the first place. I'd rather it didn't have to spin around but haven't seen this manoeuvre in real time, so it may not cause much delay. And it does mean that the hull form can be better optimised for shallow draft at the back while having good high speed sea keeping with good crew comfort (which is a requirement) and placing the pilot and commander at the front for improved visibility.

@sarkybugger5009 Ай бұрын

@@lukedogwalker It will either have to stop to retrieve the anchor, or jettison it after every troop drop. No chance of safely retrieving it at 25 knots.

@lukedogwalker 29 күн бұрын

@@sarkybugger5009 when would it ever approach the beach at 25 knots? 🤯 Transit speed is 25. That's for travelling the hundred plus miles from the LPD which stays out in open water. But you don't ram the shoreline at 25 knots! Not if you want to keep your teeth in your head!

@chats5957 29 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Ditch the anchor, and replace it with a fold out 3rd wheel. Then the craft can drive up the beach, allow the crew to exit via the rear hatch with the craft as cover, then simply reverse back into the water. SeaLeg boats have been doing just that for decades.

@sarkybugger5009 29 күн бұрын

@@lukedogwalker It will be wanting to leave the beach at high speed, not just arrive quickly.. The video shows it pulling itself into the sea, then speeding off, whereas in reality, it would have to stop to drop and retrieve the anchor, as I said originally. It's a f'ing stupid idea, and won't be adopted by anyone.

@jayd8743 Ай бұрын

That's cool. Out of the box thinking.

@graememckay9972 Ай бұрын

Something like that with caterpillar tracks mounted on hydraulic rams on the side. Lifted for high speed cruising, lowered in shallow water to crawl up various beach types, then once back in water raised.

@fredslipknot9 Ай бұрын

Great idea! Low signature too

@TheBooban Ай бұрын

We have had hover crafts for ages.

@TheParronators 29 күн бұрын

The US developed something like this a while ago however found the increased moving parts, requirements for a larger or second engine reduced carrying weight and increased holes in the hull was a nightmare for maintenance and seaworthiness. Totally agree it would be the best of both worlds just giving some context for why it's a tricky ask

@knowahnosenothing4862 25 күн бұрын

Snowmobile tech would suffice.

@stevegonzo2091 10 күн бұрын

Adding tracks to this would needlessly add weight. If tracks are needed or wanted, amphibious assault vehicles do exist. The Bradley once had an amphibious option, but when it was up-armored from Level 4 to 6 it became too heavy for that possibility.

@alenkerr8533 14 күн бұрын

Sweet ride

@andrewsteele7663 Ай бұрын

Cracking idea, Cheers

@patriotunion7211 17 күн бұрын

Soon to replace the dinghies in the channel, get them across quicker.

@AtheistOrphan Ай бұрын

Looks great but perhaps a tad over-complex?

@sirhumphreyappleby3856 Ай бұрын

the reqs often are. The WW2 landing craft back in the day were complex compared to their row boat predecessors. At least it's achievable with off the shelf componentry.

@pseudovibes98 25 күн бұрын

If your an Atheist okay cool whatever the irony is a non believe in God is a Godly thought links to freewill etc. However my point is why have a crossed Christian and not all religions? Thought you guys always portray yourselves as the clever ones with your materialistic scentific dogma. And no it is not a tad over-complicated if these where the requirements for the vessel in order for them to make it. As they said its not final if they get the contract. ☮️

@AtheistOrphan 24 күн бұрын

@@pseudovibes98 - My symbol is purely for aesthetic reasons. I tried one with several different religious symbols on it but it was far too small, particularly when viewed on a phone screen.

@AC-wz9tx 16 күн бұрын

@@AtheistOrphan Your profile pic is the Bad Religion logo.

@stevegonzo2091 10 күн бұрын

Bad Religion rocks!!! Seen them many times. Old school punk rock never dies.

@BlueMoonday19 Ай бұрын

Hey you guys, just give us a second to back up, then we can start fighting... OK?

@well-blazeredman6187 27 күн бұрын

Didn't see any LCVPs hit last time I attended an amphibios assault.

@TheLondonForever00 Ай бұрын

To quote the younger generation, this craft is sick af!

@TheLondonForever00 Ай бұрын

@@alanboyd9013 I put a quote on a generation, I didn't quote a time. Your reply is so lit bruv.

@TheLondonForever00 Ай бұрын

@@alanboyd9013 If I tried any harder your brain would explode. I'm at a canter at the moment.

@willum_1618 Ай бұрын

@@alanboyd9013As a young person gonna have to say you’re wrong on this one Alan mate people do still say sick

@RichardWilliams-kf5vw Ай бұрын

@@alanboyd9013Really? I hear them say it all the time, sadly.

@chrisherd991 19 күн бұрын

Hmm boat vs Javelin anti tank missile no contest.

@whya2ndaccount Ай бұрын

So you turn around initially instead? When potentially under fire and still loaded?

@davidshoup3856 Ай бұрын

That's needed for river crossing landings, cross current... like the Dnieper

@mortalz9940 15 күн бұрын

This boat is a waste of money as seen in ukraine any boat trying cross is seen and destroyed

@streaky81 Ай бұрын

If only somebody could invent something that could travel on both the water and land, at a decent speed on both, and seamlessly transition from one to the other. Oh, wait..

@TypicalBritishperson4972 Ай бұрын

Hovercraft? If only we had allies who use them in large numbers. Oh, wait…😂

@jackethangs5570 27 күн бұрын

@@TypicalBritishperson4972 And they have the added benefits of being fantastically quiet and stealthy... ...hmmmm?

@TypicalBritishperson4972 27 күн бұрын

@@jackethangs5570 These or the hovercraft?

@jackethangs5570 27 күн бұрын

@@TypicalBritishperson4972 The hovercraft. Looking at footage of the US Marines operating their hovercraft militarily it seems that 'announcing their presence' to the enemy is part of the attraction. Not something the modern Royal Marines Commandos would want to do, I suspect.

@knowahnosenothing4862 25 күн бұрын

Nothing stealthy about them though.

@savagecub 11 күн бұрын

Anything with a front opening is a non starter !

@dre857 15 күн бұрын

Wouldn't it be better if they had a separate jet nozzle at the front that deploys and Reverse the craft instead?

@vitaliyvyntu4566 Ай бұрын

Thank You

@DrewWithington 28 күн бұрын

Kayaks (like the Cockleshell Heroes) are really stealthy.

@lachlanchester8142 21 күн бұрын

They are, but they only carry 1 or 2 people

@notundermywatch3163 14 күн бұрын

" Private Ryan style". You do know D Day really happened don't you

@village4942 15 күн бұрын

looks like someone has a new toy to move product with. 😂

@apolitis1 14 күн бұрын

doing a burnout and throwing mud at the enemy = tactical advantage

@tintintonker1105 Ай бұрын

that anchor thing will be detrimental, too complicated and an unecessary working part especially considering the variety of scenarios the vehicle could find itself in

@user-zt1tk5qw3u Ай бұрын

I can't really see it working.

@davidshoup3856 Ай бұрын

Think River crossings

@tobiasrietveld3819 25 күн бұрын

While it complicates the loading/unloading, it greatly simplifies the ship design though allowing for a much faster and more stealthy vessel.

@sortaspicey9278 27 күн бұрын

I suppose this is more of a stealth oriented insertion craft. I'm not sure about the D-Day landing boats and how they turned around if they were ever even able to, but I presume that this is being used under the assumption that the enemy doesn't know you're landing

@namesurname624 25 күн бұрын

Up to 20? That's enough to take how many beaches?

@SynthRockViking 17 күн бұрын

Does it have emergency tea-time facilities?

@zinjanthropus322 Ай бұрын

Fpv go bzzzz 💥

@David_Crayford Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@IOSALive Ай бұрын

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@melanol3124 Ай бұрын

Drones don't need a landing craft

@paulgray2794 Ай бұрын

So still no upgrade to the marines personal kit.? Sounds about right.

@JosephStealin Ай бұрын

The RMs have had loads of updated personal kit recently. Crye Precision MTP kit. new rifle, new helmet, new boots, plus loads of other stuff.

@rahjah6958 13 күн бұрын

They invented, a large speedboat?

@ChrisHipkiss Ай бұрын

Nobody is going to notice that wake then!!!

@UKSimon4170 Ай бұрын

Just what I was thinking.

@lukedogwalker Ай бұрын

An LCVP isn't exactly a ninja, either! 😂

@DCresident123 25 күн бұрын

Must be nice for the MiC...

@BrenThen4367 Ай бұрын

A BOAT WITH RETRACTABLE TRACKS

@columbmurray 22 күн бұрын

I served in the he Royal Marines SAS in the 1960s .

@nickmaclachlan5178 19 күн бұрын

No such thing, stick to playing COD in your Mum's basement, there's a good boy.

@Brookspirit Ай бұрын

What if the anchor gets stuck?

@SloppySalad Ай бұрын

You cut it off...

@boringperson-zb8vy Ай бұрын

@@SloppySaladjust like on any naval ship

@Brookspirit Ай бұрын

My point is it's unnecessarily over complicated, i'm sure nobody wants to deal with problems like that when they may be under fire, it also means a repair in the field which could hamper further landings.

@TheBooban Ай бұрын

@@Brookspiritanchor doesn’t get stuck. Maybe you mean the motor to pull it. Then you hand winch it. If it really is stuck in some rock, just drop it. By then you’re at sea, return, attach new anchor.

@lukedogwalker Ай бұрын

@@Brookspirittoo complicated when under fire? Have you seen helicopters? Fast jets? MBTs? If complicated things can't be handled while under fire, then the only weapon we can rely on is the bayonet. And maybe a piece of 2x4 with a nail in it 🙄

@sydclark5581 Ай бұрын

20 units? I know it's a but of industry of a manufacturer, but not alot for the effort

@davidshoup3856 Ай бұрын

I wonder how it would have worked in Crimea 1853, Gallipoli 1915, Dunkirk 1940, Singapore 1941, Tobruk 1941, Dieppe 1942, Anzio 1943, Salerno 1943, the Suez Canal 1956, and Fitzroy Bay 1982 ?

@dalehill6127 17 күн бұрын

I see this is only an applicant for the contract, but for stealthy work (ie presumably the enemy doesn't know there's anything happening on that beach that night) surely the new US SEAL craft is a better bet?🤔

@ralphzimmermann 25 күн бұрын

my suggestion would be investing in Gondolas.

@David_Crayford Ай бұрын

Enemy could fly a drone or missile into the cabin through the open door facing the beach taking out everyone inside the craft.

@jimpaddy79 Ай бұрын

But you could say that about any thing

@duncanread4442 29 күн бұрын

I mean... It does still need to turn around

@perfectomprg 26 күн бұрын

Looking forward to seeing these in the Black Sea!

@cousinjack2841 Ай бұрын

'No need for time consuming turn around...' It still does the turn around, only BEFORE it has landed its valuable cargo, making them / it vulnerable for longer. mmm.

@thehum1000 29 күн бұрын

You need an underwater craft of some sort, as soon as you hit the beach though your fvcked with drones ect.

@aking-plums6985 Ай бұрын

Why not just buy a Swedish Dockstavarvet Combat Boat 90?

@lukedogwalker Ай бұрын

The CB90 only has a range of 250 nm at 20 knots and only carries 18 troops. The new craft must replace the carrying capacity of the LCVP which carries up to 35 troops, and can also carry light vehicles or cargo. CB90 can only carry troops, no vehicles, and can only disembark them through one narrow opening, whereas an LCVP allows troops to disembark rapidly two or three abreast down that big ramp. So, short range, too small, tight exit. Not a good fit for this job 👍

@IO-zg8md 28 күн бұрын

@@lukedogwalker By the time they build it, will we have enough booties to fill it?

@Rat-nl1xe Ай бұрын

still seems slow with today's defenses/droness

@garydonoghue4565 29 күн бұрын

I wonder if Russia reports on its development / future developments.. seems like a lack in security

@RichardCummins-ni4em 29 күн бұрын

One day I will hear "vulnerable" pronounced correctly.

@IO-zg8md 28 күн бұрын

Could we not just arty the hell out of the beach and then bimble-up unopposed?

@oceanman3804 Ай бұрын

While US marines are getting new APCs that can deliver troops directly on to a beach quickly and under protection. The British MOD are gonna put our boys in a glorified speedboat that has to turn and reverse up the beach to unload our lads...

@seasoldier3902 Ай бұрын

Agreed but the Royal Marines want their literal strike capability to be more stealthy. This prototype is a starter that will produce a better option; hopefully!

@nickmaclachlan5178 19 күн бұрын

@@seasoldier3902 There will surely still be a requirement for the LCT and LCVP if this thing can only carry personnel, unless the Marines just want to Yomp everywhere with zero armour or mobility/supply support?

@stevegonzo2091 10 күн бұрын

The speed boat from the "Thunder in Paradise" tv show that had a pop-up gatling gun, mortar launcher, and missiles seems practical now years later.

@seasoldier3902 10 күн бұрын

@@nickmaclachlan5178 That role remains withe current stock. This is about raising. My initial comment was about how the role has changed and advancing technology From my days in service!

@alexandruraresdatcu 29 күн бұрын

Tires are too small, they will sink into the sand, boat itself seems too small, it looks fine in calm weather like the one they filmed but that is not the usual weather.

@dalehill6127 17 күн бұрын

(The voiceover said it was a small-scale prototype.)

@johnkennett6013 Ай бұрын

As usual started thinking 10 years to late

@laurencemoynihan9173 15 күн бұрын

Anchoring and going broad side to the surf and fire. Yeaaa no

@zeroxception Ай бұрын

Thats a scale model right......right?

@music-ve1gx Ай бұрын

1/3 the size of the full thing, listen to 1:53

@boringperson-zb8vy Ай бұрын

...yes. they said it twice in the video.

@Michealst1 26 күн бұрын

Chinese watching this give their thanks, they will have one by next week.

@Jon6429 16 күн бұрын

How is this superior to the vessels used by the Colombian cartels ?

@alistairjclark2433 11 күн бұрын

I see the benefit of the anchor meaning it's less likely to get stuck on the beach. Regarding troops safety. Honestly Ukraine has shown us an amphibious landing like this is suicide... So really this should only be being done on areas already fairly safe otherwise it will be a bloodbath.

@nickmaclachlan5178 19 күн бұрын

Seems a long winded way of delivering what should be a fast insertion? Especially on a hostile beach head. Think the Yank marines have a slightly better idea with their amphibious personnel carriers that just swim in and drive up the beach, protecting their payload all the way. Not ideal for covert insertion maybe, but it's unlikely there's a one solution fits all scenarios for this requirement.

@clippzzorito1420 16 күн бұрын

Time consuming turn arounds? proceeds to drop anchor followed by a "time consuming turn around" then drops a pair of wheels then drops back door... yeah I can see you've sorted out the original perceived issue then....

@Clarence_13x 13 күн бұрын

You lost me when you said “spectrums”. That’s not a word, the plural is “spectra”.

@jaeslow6347 17 күн бұрын

this comment section makes my head hurt

@DrB934 16 күн бұрын

Hmmm...lag time under fire as it positions itself arse-backwards...Either designed to never attempt an opposed landing, or by someone who does not understand IMT.

@JackSmith-vd6mg 17 күн бұрын

Im pretty doubtful we will see this design implemented. Its impressive but seems far from practical in its current state

@kiadav9529 15 күн бұрын

damn why you guys need it if you ain`t invading anybody huh,

@h4rdboiled695 17 күн бұрын

can we get some money for all the starving children pls

@taurox5846 Ай бұрын

Anchoring itself in high intensity zone is a recipe for disaster. One other boat goes over that line and that's two boats out of the fight. You know the MOD staff are idiots for even showing off such a flawed design!

@TheBooban Ай бұрын

Boats wouldn’t cross each other. Might as well worry about boats colliding. You English are such worry nellys.

@argy8141 9 күн бұрын

No they wanted real world people to give them real feedback whilst they still had their noses in the trough and slurping the G&Ts at the MoD. Get that at squad size and it's a complete joke. You might as well make it coffin shaped, saves on the work later. I feel sorry for our troops.

@BeckiMuttley Ай бұрын

Stick phalanx on the roof of an LC and now you have drone proof landing craft that can also cover the beach. Probably

@flakhas88 13 күн бұрын

Its this a joke? jajajajaajaja

@jawadad73 16 күн бұрын

Fpv drones dont care...

@Getoffmycloud53 19 күн бұрын

You always prepare for the previous war. NATO been waging anti-insurgency and asymmetric wars for thirty years. Now they are looking at Ukraine, but once the drone countermeasures have matured we’ll see the need for large force combat again, because the next peer or near peer war is not going to look like Ukraine. For example a war against China will be completely different than Ukraine. Even a direct war against Russia, instead of this proxy thing going on in Ukraine, would be a different ball game. Preparing and predicting the next war isn’t the same as preparing for the previous one. 30 years of neocolonialism and neoliberalism have destroyed the foundation of NATO’s cold war strength, it will take decades of systematic change on an economic level to revert. The real problem, where to get the funding, because after decades of upward transition of wealth there is not much left with the tax payers. The sanctions on Russia have shown that buying western debt is a poor investment, so the days of printing free USD are nearing an end. Decoupling from China is like decoupling from Russia, it comes at a high economic cost and with China the effect is both wide and deep.

@matthewbaynham6286 Ай бұрын

Hand on right at the end of this video the commenter said "up to twenty"... So the British military is panning to have just 20 small landing craft, how small a war is the MOD tooling up for? Perhaps if the UK went to war against Monaco or Liechtenstein then 20 might be enough but probably not, even Monaco and Liechtenstein would have thousands of personal ready to fight whoever step off of one of those things. Look at the numbers of soldiers that Britain sent out to the Falklands War, it was thousands of men. How many of those would the MOD have needed if the MOD had used them in the Falklands War?

@lukedogwalker Ай бұрын

You don't land an army using LCVPs. You land the Royal Marines. They're specialist light infantry that operate in the commando role. They are not arriving to occupy a country. For that you still need a port and Ro-Ro vessels.

@dankaynie Ай бұрын

The keyboard Einsteins are at it again! if you guys are so clever, why don't you submit your ideas and designs to the MOD!

@davidshoup3856 Ай бұрын

LCVP / Danube + Dniester + Bug + Dnieper = Odessa Ukraine War²

@jimpaddy79 Ай бұрын

Thats not really how it works, you cant just submit your ideas to the MOD

@ingemar_von_zweigbergk Ай бұрын

looks silly

@andrewkinsey8754 Ай бұрын

congrats on inventing a boat

@johnribble Ай бұрын

Ridiculous

@mortalz9940 15 күн бұрын

This is already out dated, Modern warfare isnt afghanistan

@Feintgames Ай бұрын

Um, did you guys even watch Saving Private Ryan? A group of Nazis from WW2 could easily wipe out the people exiting this brand new 2024 concept. Doesn't the AAVP solve this problem? Also, do countries even try to do amphibious assaults anymore? The last one was in Iraq 1, for show, and the reporters met the Marines on the beach. Lol

@mephisto8101 17 күн бұрын

Um, are you really in 2024? You're not storming a bunkered beach like this is D-Day anymore today. (Well, maybe the russian or chinese would...) You choose the entry which is not defended, that's the whole purpose of the stealth approach. That's more like a river crossing operation. Either it is uncontested, then stealth and surprise are key factors for the infiltration. Or it is contested, then you need a LOT of support to undertake it. Recon, indirect fire, direct fire, you name it. Maybe you just do it like the russians and do it without preparation and then you wonder about the heaps of trash metal afterwards. What no western army can afford today is just storming a beach head-on like 1945 and letting thousands of men wade into MG fire. That would be incredibly stupid and costly. We have other tools at hand. Just look how Ukrainian Marines operate on Crimea in the last year.

@potusuk Ай бұрын

So impressive - but absolutely none of our forces are of any use to us if we can't say that our national borders are secure.

@jimpaddy79 Ай бұрын

Why?

@jicseeu Ай бұрын

That is a horrible design......turn around before landing should have scrapped this idea before it got off the drawing board......just rubbish.

@davidshoup3856 Ай бұрын

There must be a reason?

@kael13 28 күн бұрын

Ahh you're so smort. If only DSTL employed you!

@jicseeu 28 күн бұрын

@@kael13 they have very obviously done a lot worse......

@kungfooslap2983 29 күн бұрын

lol,ok….the mod will buy the most expensive,unreliable,delayed version they can…incompetence at senior level in s as l most every department in the uk.,

@Woobieeee 24 күн бұрын

This is stupid.

@elliottholmes-xe4qu Ай бұрын

So it's not even completed and you have a one third scale model. Build the thing then show off 😂

@liamjohnson2474 9 күн бұрын

dropping an anchor is NOT stealthy at all

@redrb26dett 16 күн бұрын

lmao for god sake please employ people who know how to read the concept of a landing transport dropping anchors to winch themselves off the beach goes back to WW2 and LST,s the concept of having to do a three point turn and reverse on to the beach whilst under a sustained bombardment is criminally insane they will even have time for a tea break then set up new MG position to target the ramp (best solution to a bad job the US marines over came this problem by fitting tracks and having ramp at the back behind armour plating known as LVT to stop the front ramp kill zone) do people not read any more there are thousands and thousands of books out there read them before google as them all burnt