The hemps are great. If you want an upgrade in clarity try the flat pads off the hemps on the PS500e. I won both abs the PS500e with the flat pads is the ticket. Same tone as the hemps but cleaner sounding.

Hi, can you tell me roughly the difference between a Jbl bass and a Klipch bass? Or rather have you listened to these and the Klipsch Rp160MII? Thank you

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Thanks so much

Jbl has a very rich legacy, highly recommend you read about.

@@keplermission4947 I am subscribed. I've been for at least a year.

15 bucks?!

@@jasonreyes9504 oops!

I have a pair of 4365's the 3-way with titanium tweeters released before the 44367's. I listened to a pair of 4367's at a dealer a few years ago. Before the audition I thought they would blow away my 4365's, but after a hour or two I wasn't so sure of that. Then I went with a friend to someone that he worked with that had a pair of 4367's. I thought great, I'll be able to get a better idea being in someone's home, but once again I didn't think they sounded "better" than my 4355's. Don't get me wrong, they sound amazing!, but I don't think I'm going to sell my 4365's for a pair of 4367's. I'd definitely pick up a pair 4367's if I didn't already spend $9k almost six years ago.

@@Mark-lq3sb thanks for the information and I hear you. The coaxial driver tech of the 4367 is interesting. I had a similar but different experience with Thiel and Revel I own a pair of Revel 228be that I would be lying if I said they were much better than my Thiel 2.4. The mids and highs are more transparent on the 228be but man in a direct A/B in the same room same system they are close. You would have to hear it to believe how close they are. Anyway I still want 4367 but they were a bit much for me (I got the 228be for $6300 new) but I might sell them sometime and try the 4367. I wish Thiel was still around they were really special.

LS50 Meta vs. these JBLs, wow... that'd be an interesting side by side comparison... as they're both top tier examples of their type. I'm guessing entirely different sonic perspectives... but I don't really know. Certainly two quality representatives from their individual sub-sets, ie., near perfectly executed coax, vs very well executed wave-guided compression driver two-way. I have big coaxial 3way mains, 20x the price of my small JBL-308Ps, their hq yet budget $250 wave-guided 8" powered 2way ... and it's extraordinary what's available at such dramatic low prices. Nobody out works, out researches JBL,... their Skunkworks Northridge operation, damn, their Kung-fu is good. JBL's waveguides are second to none. Also, nearly all typical dome tweeter designs crush high energy transient details via compression. Experiencing compression free HF playback capability is a wonderful thing. And thermal compression, being a subtractive distortion, isn't entirely evident until it's experienced side by side in situ up against a high output high dynamic capability speaker. Anyway, LS50 Meta, vs. this JBL? That'd be a fascinating exploration of two entirely different sonic approaches.

Awesome, Snell E, truly excellent!

If you notice, all speakers today have a lower ohm-age -- 6 ohms is common. Part of that is the way higher wattage capability inherent today.

Thank you for watching, I have already made that video! Look in the playlists section on the homepage of this channel and you will see it there.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Ok, Thanks!

As a side note , my original L-100's from my much younger days and my re-release L-100's are also VERY honest speakers..and I love that about them!

Absolutely true, but engineers have a saying: "70% of the mix is in the mid range."

Yes, open baffle, I should’ve mentioned that

Mark Levinson

From the little I know, the idea of a monitor or pro speaker is to sound as neutral as possible in order to be revealing as possible. The "Pro", as in "professional", are targeted towards people in the music and sound industry (bands, studios, radio stations, churches, D.J.s etc.) JBL has their specific "Pro" series I believe and the monitor numbers are in 4xxx series while home speaker versions are usually Lxx(x) series. This is from a novice and I'm probably really wrong about something so don't take this as the last word.

Pro sound is, or tends to be more neutral/accurate than audiophile speakers. Engineers aren’t listening for pleasure, they are listening to hear what’s going on in the recording. So pro speakers are designed more for engineers than audiophiles.

I like Steve's answer for a basic understanding-- Pro v Audiophile. In truth it goes way deeper than that. I'll just list a few differences since you could write a book on the topic. Pro speakers not only play WAY louder and have WAY superior dynamics, but they are far less prone to 'power compression'. As the power increases the frequency response is constant. Imaging in studio monitors is way different-- you are more concerned with the accurate placement of instruments to take advantage of space and holes in the mix. For example, when you pan your hi-hat 70 degrees to the right, you want to physically see (hear) that placement exactly where you put it. In a studio monitor that placement is pin point accurate. The biggest difference is voicing. Studio monitors are voiced forward to enable extreme detail. Audiophile speakers have a 'smiling face' response engineers hate. This is good and bad. For example, audiophile speakers demonstrate superior depth and holographic imaging-- front to back. Studio monitors don't do that-- you are right inside the singers voice so much so that you can hear the grain and breath of the vocal. "Proper" sound stage is something I've never heard mentioned in an audiophile discussion-- were talking large format monitors here, not the equivalent of a home book shelf speaker. Full studio monitors get their 'wave length' and thus sound stage by being 'soffit' mounted with the angled reflection of the wall tailored to the speaker-- the sound stage becomes HUGE.

@@keplermission4947 yes. But they are sold in the same store on Madison Avenue.

@@keplermission4947 I have a combination Arcam AV receiver with Audio Physic Tempo speakers made in Germany and that is a fantastic combination. What well is True that Hornspaekers are not common in Europe. I have once listend to a pair of JBL speakers in a Price range of 1 300 US dollar in combination with a Yamaha receiver and it was not my taste. It all depends on the right combination and your personal taste. Gretige Ludo Belguim

JBL sucks

@@JohnJohn-lk4lq am I the only one that thinks these look like CRAP for $2K???

@@JohnJohn-lk4lq Ya, they dominate all professional installations, because real sound engineers do not have the ears to distinguish quality sound like you audiophiles.

These *will* go down in price just like the newer L100 is no longer 4k. JBL will tell you their top of the like Everest DD6700 is 70k, but they can be had new for 35k.

Nope, they dont look like crap.....

Elac uni Fi reference

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac thank you, there are plenty of bad recordings out there, in fact, most of my 80’s record collection 😂. Mostly Zeppelin hard rock stuff. I need a speaker that may tame a lot of that not so easy to listen to stuff. My Cornwall iv’s don’t like many of them either.

Find it hard to understand why any JBL or Klipsch speaker wouldn't sound good with most Zeppelin material. That era of music was designed around the Altec 604/JBL 4310 studio monitors-- the sound of rock. p.s. No Quarter sounds amazing on my original series JBL 100's. A direct copy of the afore mentioned studio monitor.

Home studios and to a lesser degree audiophiles.

Correct!

They are open baffle, and I should’ve mentioned that.

Oh dear no! What Danny Ritchie believes is what Danny Ritchie believes. This is the real world, not a fantasy.

@@ericthemauve have you heard any of his speakers?

I can only give my opinion, which is that I was very glad to have ditched the receiver once I heard my ADS speakers through an Adcom 555 power amp. Nowadays it's a NAD 208 thx balanced amp and Emotiva XDA-2 balanced preamp/DAC. Perfection. I suggest you at least swap in a competent power amp, using the Sansui as preamp if possible.

@@trog69 yea 33WPC is conservative for sure i think it pushes more, however i have a Marantz 4300 that i can run in 2 CH, which is what I do. The sansui QRX doesnt have preamp outs but the QR version does. The Marantz pushes them well but the receiver needs a restoration and it does have the pre amp outs. Sounds great!! Tuner is completely unresponsive on it tho.

@@TheAirConditionerGuy I had a lower-powered Marantz receiver and a Marantz quad amp combo. I eventually traded them for a Project One Mark 1500, but being a very young dumbass I had it powering a pair of BFI Bullfrog PA's. So damned loud it changed your heartbeat. No idea why I'm not deaf now. hehe

I wonder if you had to live with them if your opinion may change?

@@bobb.9917 Depends what you want to hear. If you're a recording engineer, you can't listen to a lot of audiophile systems. If you're an audiophile, studio monitors can sound sterile compared to a 'textured' audiophile system.

@@bobb.9917 I've lived with JBL 4343s for about forty years. I enjoy them.

@@keithmoriyama5421 YUP! That's why I could not have them in my home as a regular listen.

@@BlankBrain I was asking casual listener roverdad….sounding "neutral" (bright in my world…especially a horn speaker)…can sound refreshing (with the right recordings)… even to me…but a regular diet of that…no thanks from me…it becomes fatiguing and abrasive with many recordings, "for me". We are all so different in what we hear or want to hear. Question: Have you ever tried something different, or warmer?

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Upscale Audio in California

Dynamics is what live musical recordings are all about. Where this speaker my be lacking is the full bodied 'airy' feel of a multi directional speaker. A minus for classical music; a plus for rock.

I had the KLH Five here and was unimpressed. I’m happy you love your speakers, but trust me on this: it’s always a matter of taste. That’s why there’s so many different brands of speakers!

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac I’m sorry Steve, but did I mention the KLH 5’s??? No seriously, are you telling me...”Audiophiliac” that you claim to be, that almost every speaker manufacturer hasn’t made Speaker that was not to your taste, only to make one that you loved?? I’ve heard the Model5s... and still without a doubt, the Kendall’s which have Carbon Fiber drivers, not paper...and 2 6.5 inch woofers, not one large one, is completely different animal!! They are higher in sensitivity, and reach down lower in bass, legitimately needing no Sub. I am very surprised that you of all people would use one speaker to snub another!! At 1299 a pair, you owe it to your listeners to review them. I’d bet you 10-1, the first line in your review will be....”ok, I was wrong !” I auditioned the KLH Model 5 up in Nashville, and outside of scale, the Kendall’s best it in every way. Don’t be a “snob and snub” Steve. I am 61 years old and grew up in DC visiting the International Audio Show every year... longed to own an Audio Research Amp and Pre Amp, never did...So I’m not talking about “preference”....these speakers are literally some of the best I have ever heard. I’d buy em for 4Grand a pair!!

So I just had to come back and make you aware of what you actually said Steve...cause I’m still trippin’ by what you said....”Trust me, it’s all matter of taste”! So according to you, you can audition a speaker, and then make a definitive statement about a completely different speaker by the same brand, that.....”YOU NEVER TASTED”??? I’m sorry but knowing all the folks you know and have known in this industry, you either have a bone to pick with KLH, or you aren’t as thorough as you would like those to think. You simply can’t talk “Budget Systems” and not include the Kendalls in the mix! So this isn’t really about “taste” at all seeing that you’ve never heard them Steve. Your statement is one purely based on a “bias”! How can anyone not want to listen to a system with the kind of specs the KLH Kendall’s have? The more it keeps bouncing in my head, the more your statement becomes more and more ridiculous. As John Gatski said in his review, “once again the Kendall’s impressed me with its ability to convey my homebrew 24/384 hi-res acoustic recording. The balance between slightly crisp and neutral was right there, and the aluminum dome tweeter produced the high end attack - without being strident. Just like the ‘Taylor’ guitar sounds.” None of that critique is a matter of “taste”.....Believe me!

4309 are passive speakers

No, if it was I would say so! I’m pretty sure but not 100% sure it is made in China. Which is why I didn’t say song.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Couldn't have been made in Harman's JBL Mexican plant?

The uptown store on Madison Avenue has the good stuff.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac I even contacted JBL to let them know a FLAGSHIP store is supposed to mean you carry a little of EVERY product line. FInd it odd is all.

JBL has gone the way of cheap consumer electronics. They fired the most respected iconic speaker designer, Greg Timbers who put them on the map and made JBL the industry standard studio monitor. He said they just walked into his office and gave him a 10 minute exit interview after 40+ years of service.

@@keithmoriyama5421 To F&*K him out of his retirement im sure, thats awful.... Im not so sure about the first statement though, have a thorough look at Harmans stable of brands, peruse through whos offering what these days. I dont see JBL or Revel cheapening much. Shit, not as horrible as whats been done to Altec Lansing, not even close! Thats another real travesty as well.

Why don’t you give me three dollars a month, and one dollar each to seven other channels.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Wow what an ego. I will be unsubscribing from your $1 tier now.

Yes, to all of your questions. I never claimed it was anything other than an impression of what I heard. But stick around, there’s more real reviews in the pipeline.

I've use 4311's extensively and I can tell you they are a truly horrible speaker, or as Bruce Sweeden says, "they are doggy doo doo."

@@keithmoriyama5421 You can't even spell his name correctly and he uses 4310's to mix. I know this because I read his book.

@@acitizen5928 is that because the 4311s are “doggy doo doo”? 🤔

Two reasons; Matching polar patterns at the crossover, and high output vented designs need a big box. Most JBLs, including this one, are all about controlled directivity. The physical size of the cabinet determines the maximum size waveguide, ... which determines the lowest freq the waveguide maintains pattern control... and ultimately crossover freq. That determines the woofer diameter that's ideally suited to match polar pattern of the waveguide. An appropriately sized high performance vented 12" design would need a significantly large box volume.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I find it frustrating that looking at $3000 to $6000 speakers (my budget) to match with my newly purchased McIntosh stack that I can't find a full range speaker. For that price you should be able to get more than an 8" woofer that "dips" to 40 Hz. I think manufacturers are getting greedy and want you to buy two boxes instead of one. I don't like subs, why pay for an expensive amp, if everything below 40 Hz is going to be fed through a cheap class d amp? I know JL and some others make quality subs, but then you're talking thousands more. I feel that if you are already at $5,000 you should be able to get a quality full range floorstander. Am I that out of touch?

@@laurencerothman931 I'm with you on your assessment. The industry is trying to get more bang for there pockets.A crying shame.