So glad this approach is working for you. Thanks for tuning in. -Jon

Lucky for you to have received one. It seem availability is spotty- many retailers don’t have it yet. -Jon

Thanks for those corrections. It is easy to miss the features that were added via upgrade as they don’t always update their web pages to reflect the new capabilities. I may have misread the details on source power - again thanks for paying close attention to every detail and informing me. -Jon

@@ripewave Denon and Marantz were the only receivers and processors to offer DTS:X-Pro for under $13,000. They still are which is crazy to me. Anthem and Arcam are really dropping the ball here. There is absolutely no reason for the AVM90 to not have Pro.

Thoughtful comments and generous compliments. Thanks. I will next cover the new Denon modes - albeit those are all receivers / no processor separates. What they may be doing is positioning Denon to compete with lower tier (Onkyo / Yamaha) products and Marantz to complete upmarket (Arcam, JBL, Athem). I may know better once that analysis is complete. Very bold to set the AV10 at $7,000. It is as if they are inventing perceived value by raising the price. Jon

Roger - I am glad you are finding the videos helpful. The reports I have on the Cinema 40 say that it will be shipping Q3 this - I take that to be September which is a normal product release month for Marantz. -Jon

@@ripewave Looks like the Cinema 40 might be available now as the Marantz site says add to cart and not coming soon. I'm going to look around and see if I can find one.

@@rogermanningjr452 how they are releasing these is a bit odd and still unclear to me. I noticed that too, but retailers are still showing not available or back ordered. I wonder what would happen if you placed an order on the Marantz site. It could be that that are making in small batches and stocks run out quickly. Perhaps the initial announcement indicating Q3 2013 aligns with full production but we have limited production now. Hard to say.-Jon

Working on it now. Hope to have it out this weekend - Jon

Brian - Hard to say as Marantz has yet to release output specifications or details about the DACs and other components used in each model. -Jon

I think so. However, until we have clearer specifications from Marantz on each model, it is hard to determine if the Cinema 40 is worth the extra cost - especially if you are powering your speakers with external amplifiers. Jon

This. Denons are pretty ugly

I picked up an SR6015 for the most important reason in the world to me. Because it sounds great, even on my old budget speakers. I got it because the Cinema Series is finally pushing the SR prices down. I don't care about having the latest or greatest engine and transmission. Ultimately, when the lights are off, and the listening starts, the ears are totally pleased, and the wallet is heavier.

@@davidjudd951 awesome 👍

I am with you - I was disappointed with the $7,000 price tag for the AV10. The problem I have with the Anthem AVM70 is the lack of support for DSD and no balanced XLR inputs. Albeit, $4,000 is a better price for a processor separate. Hoping the AV20 will retain the balanced input and compete with the price of the Anthem AVM70. -Jon

@@ripewave I'm also disappointed that they have DTS:X Pro on the AVM 90, but no updates or upgrades in site to add that to the AVM 70? I want the wide channels and possibly a center Atmos height channel, that adds 3 channels and puts all the options past $5000 (from what I can tell)

I believe that is the case. In listening to Marantz representatives talk about the 40 at Cedia, he mentioned that it was possible to independently control which amplifier channels are enabled. This feature is not available at on the Cinema 50 down.-Jon

@@ripewave 🙏

I agree that the new direction favors style over function - and I yield to the fact that buyers will have different opinions on style. Where others like Anthem and NAD have adopted large and even color displays on the front of the unit, Marantz has not gone that route. Instead, they continue to utilize 2-line monochrome displays. They even hide their largest display on the AV10 and Cinema 40 behind a door - not function focused. I am curious about the value the remote based LCD adds. Can you describe how your family uses? -Jon

@@ripewave Thanks for the reply Jon. We use the LCD display to verify input selected and controlled while using the remote as well as to verify transmitting when the dot shows in addition to LEARN functions.

I believe you have the pre-out sections correct - the photo of the NR1711 shows only L/R Front and 2 subwoofers pre-outs. - the photo of the Cinema 70s shows the full 7.2 pre-outs Regarding the parallel vs. independent subwoofers it isn't clear to me on the new Cinema 70s. The US site doesn't specify, but according to some trusted retailers, they are saying "NO" to discrete subwoofer outputs on the Cinema 60 and 70s. Only starting with the Cinema 50 do they claim discrete subwoofers and 4x at that. We are bound to have some corrections during this pre-release period. Marantz has been known to have errors on their website. Once we have published manuals and released product, it will be more certain. Thanks for weighing in and helping me arrive at the best current information. Jon

@@ripewave Hi Jon, Thank you, I have ordered from Amazon a NR1711, but no info on delivery time, thinking to cancel and look at other shops, then saw Cinema 70s coming up with 7.2 preout, which for me seems best choice as I use mostly separate stereo amplifier. Started to search if already available to order somewhere, and most shops say available from 1st December, only one shop here in Germany say delivery possible in 12 days, so I mailed them and waiting for answer, if they have it there should be datasheet manual too.

The wait is something that we often have to deal with - unfortunately. It have taken the market many years to produce products that have technologies introduced years back like HDMI 2.1 and supply problems impacting delivery for many brands. We often are faced with large price differences between product tiers. The big unknown with this one is how noticeable with the sound sound be for essentially the same feature set and speaker configuration support? The 40 differs only by the LCD behind the front door and LED accent lights on the front sides - otherwise cosmetics are the same too.

Going to cover the new Denon models next - heard good things about the x3800h

@@ripewave waiting for it impatiently, hope there will be a new under 5000 vid for this year end

Same company. Their recievers and processors basically offer the exact same features.

@@FURognar Same features they run different and sound different and have different build qualities.

@@scotttild if you've ever seen a breakdown between the two by Batpig or J.D. Smoothie on AVS Forums you can see they are about 80% the same parts. Marantz doesnt really use any higher quality parts than Denon. They are made in the exact same factories.

Excellent question. What Marantz has provided so far are 2-channel driven output specifications for 8 and 6 ohm loads - not 4 ohm. As they have not posted a manual yet we can hope that resource will bring further clarification. The amplifiers provided within this receiver are okay, but not great. I think it is wise to clarify compatibility with 4 ohm speakers. -Jon

I don't have any direct experience with the Marantz 8805A. I have the feeling it is a strong performer, with a robust feature set. You won't have Dirac Live option as with the newer generation, but you may get a price break. -Jon

For those that are utilizing the internal amplifiers your point is very important. It seems that those that demand more than what the onboard amplifiers deliver are required to view the internal amps as a “starter kit” and later expand to external power. Surprised they haven’t moved to class D for their receivers. That would provide higher density power with lower heat. They could add back the toroidal linear supplies that feed them. However, I believe they prefer receivers to be more disposable with owners upgrading every two years. Once you have your external amps they have the option to disable the internal amplifiers. Begs the question why they only sell one flagship av processor. Puts us in an odd spot.-Jon

@@ripewave Yes, the disposability is definitely a built-in feature nowadays and one I'm not keen on. When you buy a high-end AV receiver, you should expect to enjoy it for many years to come. I agree - I see a lot of people with multiple external amps to feed their LCR and just use the amp to power their Atmos. For me, that's overkill and one of the reasons that soundbars are becoming so popular as it simplifies the process immensely. Yeah, I think they will eventually move to Class D especially now that it's definitely a competitor to A/B but still expensive. I think the AMP10 uses Class D, doesn't it?

I love the silver options, it sucks US doesn't get them. However, I've seen the silver options of other Marantz receivers for sale on Ebay. I wonder if they would work and have the same plug to use in the US. Most of these ship from Japan.

Not in the new Cinema range yet. -Jon

@@ripewave okay. Thank you 🙂

Smaller displays? That is worth confirming. Jon

I did not. I currently don’t have any relationship with companies. I purchase with my own cash when they hit the market like any other consumer. I suspect I won’t see an AV10 until we’ll into next year. -Jon

@@ripewave people are buying them. There's a dealer on AVS Forums who is selling them to customers already.

Your question is really at the heart of what we should be focusing on - sound quality. From what I have read and heard so far, Marantz isn’t making any claims at this time that the new product range out performs the prior generation. There are only a few new features that we are led to believe will result ultimately in sonic upgrade. This is true across the entire range. As none of these new models are available yet I can only make my best guess. Certainly the ability to independently control 4 vs 2 subwoofers will be measurable - if you have 3 or 4 subwoofers. The quality of the room calibration software will have an impact in tuning multi-sub (but you said not to count Dirac). With the support for surround formats largely the same, and the HDMI 2.1/8K support for more inputs only helping video, there is not much for us to justify sonic enhancement. The last details with be in the quality of the components used and the measured performance of the unit. At this time Marantz has not released interior photos and has not published output specifications for SNR and THD. Reviewers can’t measure as units haven’t shipped. They haven’t even told us if the DACs changed. The only clue I have is from the Dream Media video they posted from Cedia that shows the inside of the AV10 and it appears to be an extensive redesign. Bottom line is we can only guess until units are released past any embargo to withhold public disclosure or a leak. Thanks for the great question. Jon

@@ripewave Great , let’s see what upgrades they are brought on table from sound prospective excluding Dirac which is a paid upgrade… 8K is just a hype, the projector or TV does upscaling… DAC upgrade should be an 100% upgrade better from the existing one to justify the cost. I focus on sound quality rather than extra circular stuff 4 sub output , 8K capability , two zone capability

Thanks for the correction

The BIGGEST upgrade, aside from the aesthetics, is that now you have 7 channel pre-outs in lieu of just 2 for the fronts. This is a pretty huge deal that now you can use the slimline as a pre-amp for all 7 channels. Not everyone can afford a $3,000 to $4,000 entry level pre-amp and does not have aspirations for a 13-channel surround set up. However, they should have gone up to 9 or even 11 channels preamp.

@@ramondelgado6778 excellent point. That addition is greats news for those that want separates at a lower entry point.-Jon

I have heard mixed reviews of the new Yamaha range. The one clear thing that they failed on was the HDMI 2.1 support. Fixes arrived late for some models but I recall still not a perfect result. However, some state that the build and sound quality were still well executed. Your take on that? The YPAO room calibration doesn’t seem to compete. With Dirac coming in Marantz that will could be a reason to switch as well.-Jon

That’s fair. External amplifiers take up a lot of room, cost more, require shelves and racks to hold them and introduces more wires. I can appreciate the simplicity an AV Receiver delivers. For that reason I think HDMI is great. One cable for UHD video and immersive multi-channel audio supporting your 7.x.4 system - all from one cable amazing! Too bad it has been a bear to tame but when it works… Whether sub count is overkill depends on your room, quality of your subwoofers and passion for bass. I feel like my two 18 inch Rythmik subs powered by 900W each are more than sufficient to fill my large space. I’ve gone overkill on ext amplifiers and not done yet. I believe this desire can be traced back to my for first Omnimax theater experience where the control room at the Science Museum displayed racks and racks of amplifiers. For me the impression display of equipment was part of the experience. I will also set up a family TV room for simplicity. I envision the Cinema 50, one HDMI cable for the AppleTV source and one HDMI cable to the TV. I may run hardwired Ethernet to each, but that is it. The rest will be speaker wires. -Jon

Scott - your comment is a fair assessment. I will say that while Marantz was a victim of the chip flaw, they still had control over the quality of product they release to market and how they advertise the current state. They released product stating it worked. They would have served the market better if they weren’t in so Much of a rush to claim they were first with 8k and put out a statement saying the were going to hold off of 8k claims until supplier issues can be resolved.-Jon

@@ripewave To be fair to Marantz everyone jumped on the 2.1 bandwagon early. The units all should have been recalled IMO. I think Anthem was the only company that didn't jump right on the 2.1 craze and all their units sold out. While they did have control of their product they were stuck with the only chip that had made 2.1 work so if they wanted 2.1 they were stuck. They should have demanded a better chip but rushed to get a product out. But again most of the other companies did the same. I think 8K and 2.1 are a total and utter gimmick. 2.1 is mm seconds faster and not really noticeable to the average person It does have better bandwidth but really its just not worth it for most people. Not sure why people are so hell bent on 2.1. As for 8k there is little to no native 8k content and a negligible increase from 4k. Its not the leap that 4k was. I still like their new look and most likely they are an upgrade to the two 2016 models I have so will still be looking at them.

The best way for us to really know is with a side-by-side comparison- but it will be almost a year before we so the AV10.

From a functional standpoint, the porthole is terrible- only better than no display.-Jon

Fans of the cinema experience prove you wrong. Enough people still enjoy going to the cinema for cinemas to remain successful ["Little Mermaid" just took in 110 million opening weekend/not including the Holiday Monday ticket sales].

When I first heard the prices of the new range I was disappointed. Marantz had already raised prices mid-cycle without a model change - now they are hitting us again. Bold. -Jon

@@ripewave They will not last for long with this strategy. I would rather consider monolith HTP-1 in future for upgrade at half a cost … Jbl and arcam are also good Av pre amp which no one talks about

Many processors ask for additional money for Dirac. Especially the bass control. Its not uncommon for it to cost an extra $500. Its an additional cost on Pioneer and Onkyo receivers as well.

True. Note that with Onkyo brands you are ahead on two other fronts. 1) Onkyo brand models are lower cost to start with 2) Onkyo brand models come with basic Dirac and you only have to pay an upgrade fee for bass control. With Denon/Marantz the current plan is to charge for Dirac without bass control, then charge more for Dirac with bass control. -Jon

I don’t have the test equipment to validate. Even if their claim is true, why make us go through all the math - just publish an all channels driven rating. Okay to post a 2 channels driven rating as well for comparison with other brands but don’t play games. -Jon

Very interested in comparing the new Sony ES line against other brands at similar price ranges.-Jon

David - what was the regretful part of the purchase? Number of channels? The amplifier output? Something else? -Jon

@@ripewave Ridiculously over complex, totally frustrating.

David - I think I understand your frustration. While I have the Cinema 50 and not the Cinema 70, there are complexities with the 50, which surprised me. The user interface is polished from a graphics perspective. The pictorial representation of the speaker layout helped me visualize the configuration with ease. However, the overall setup process was a bit confusing and more complex there required. First, the setup wizard doesn't address everything and the amp assignments required some thought. They have related functions spread out over different menu paths, so the those who don't explore each menu may miss something that could impact the configuration in a negative manor. I particularly didn't like that Audyssey changes speaker settings - size, distance and subwoofer count from what I established through the wizard. Okay - I understand that speaker distance translates into speaker delay. If the calibration process decides that a speaker should have more or less delay to align with the other speakers, the speaker distance is going to change. However, they don't explain that clearly. The whole speaker polarity detection function at the beginning of the Audyssey process is also confusing. They have you reverse + and - terminals on your speakers, but still report a phase problem and if it persist they say that you can skip and move forward - again, with not much guidance. A bit odd. After setting up the Marantz Cinema 50, I configured my Emotiva RMC-1 expecting the process to be harder given the basic plain text menu interface. However, I found the process to be more straight forward. Albeit, as a processor, there are less choices to make - all channels are externally powered. While the RMC-1 Dirac calibration also adjusts for delays, it handles the change differently. When Dirac equalization is applied, the Distances menu disappears. If you go back to "User" based equalization, the Distances menu reappears, and that menu displays my original settings. The RMC-1 menus are snappier as well. I often have to wait a few seconds while navigating the Marantz before the next menu item appears. During the transition, the whole TV screen goes black like something went wrong. Bottom line is that I believe Marantz needs to improve the user experience. On the surface it seems intuitive given the quality of graphical elements. But when you actually have to use it, there is something lacking. If you where to combine the Marantz graphics with the Emotiva work flows, I believe you would have someone very good. Jon

I am not seeing a change in Us pricing from when I recorded three weeks ago at $3,499. What price are you seeing / which country? Or are you comparing against the SR7015 - which the Cinema 49 is around $600 more than the SR7015 it replaces. Assuming you saw an increase and rethinking .The increase will turn many off.

@@ripewave Sorry . My fault. I’m wrong. Thanks so much

I agree with the port comment. For me their more iconic models from the seventies - like my Dad's 2275 had a big area with blue meters and radio dial and awesome silver knobs. My guess on class D is that it may be cheaper for Denon/Marantz and Onkyo/Pioneer with their latest releases to go with Class AB as they own that technology. If they have to purchase a class D module from Purifi, ICEPower or Hypex that could erode margins and I am guessing they have not internally developed a class D amp that compares with the third-party suppliers. NAD is one of the few that is. Jon

I don't believe they have publicly specified, but the screen shot in the Denon AVR-X4800 manual uses a video source which the receiver reports as 40 Gbps. If they is the limit, then it is the same as the prior models. I have yet to see a processor/receiver with support for 48 Gbps video. - Jon