Yes, nice to see Geoff. But also a nice clickbait.

Booked comment.

I read 'Picccadilly live stock'😁. (Or piccalilly live stock for that matter)

available now

Yawn

so you‘re from NYC 😅❤

@@maxs351 Or Chicago!

It could be one of Jago Hazzard's "Tales from the Tube".

A better one

Not at all confused. Automated trains can be driverless with a "train manager" manning the tube for safety (no driver required). As with the DLR, override training for manual operation can be given.

I think the (Tory) politicians' dream is to stop ASLEF strikes. The reality on the Tube is that you will always need one human on board a train to deal with incidents, evacuation etc. So stopping industrial action is not a deliverable outcome. Whether it is worth the expense of (for example) platform edge doors to swap a driver in the cab watching the train drive itself, for a train manager standing in the train is very debatable.

@@dariengoodwin I think stopping (in fact, not having) strikes is most passenger's/the public's dream. Who actually wants ASLEF strikes? (except the self-interested and a handful of lefty hard-liners). The srikes are a ransom for more money. The human element itself isn't the issue. "Train managers" (TMs) are cheaper and more trainable, so TOCs would be less dependent on train managers than they are on drivers. They can train new TMs and have them available to reduce the dependence on union members, and bring them in on 7-day contracts without this archaic "Sundays = overtime" issue... As they mature and join unions, they have a new batch getting trained up - a constant pipeline. They can fund this because they're cheaper and quicker to bring in than drivers (you don't really need to have the full array of driver skills because of automation)... The focus of TMs is safety (so ASLEF can't claim that safety is an issue):- basic signaling, coupling, track isolation etc and basic push button override operations - they don't need the full driver syllabus and can be trained in 6 months and be safety experts, probably more so than an average train driver. I think the strikes are partly why automated trains are so high on the wish list of (Tory) governments and the public. In the long run, this is what's going to happen - we live in an age of technology advancement where having a wobbling head in the front of a train will be a farcical, almost purely luddite extravagance.

It might also be impossible on routes where the Pic shares track with the Dis/Met line.

⁠@@dariengoodwinThen the RMT can go on strike

you can do the same with trains with drivers… and it’s safer.

Would not only require platform-edge doors but other safety measures in the tunnels. Also I’m not sure what would happen in the bit where it parallels and then shares track with the district line so I’m not sure that’s a realistic concept right now. Jago Hazzard did a video on how the underground could become driverless and why it probably won’t soon and it’s quite interesting

Not quite. Automatic trains allow all that without having to go driverless. London has them on the Central & Jubilee, possibly also on the Northern, Met, Circle, H&C & District too. The DLR, Elizabeth & Victoria Lines have always been automated (it had a rather crude auto system in 1969, but it was automatic). The drivers (or captains on the DLR) are there to ensure the safety of passengers & take control if anything goes wrong. So drivers are still there but do not often drive the train.

They do not require platform edge doors and AI cameras on the platform would be able to do the job much more cheaply that driver edge doors now anyway.

@@TheRip72 Elizabeth line is only automated in the core section and to Abbey Wood. Outside of that it’s just like a normal national rail train ride. Thameslink is the same (automated in the core but normal out of it)

See his channel

Me too, nice video but don’t appreciate being tricked into watching it

Me too!

It even sounded like Geoff for the first 10 seconds

me too lol

Don't forget that on the train you can take a lot more luggage...for free!

@@JohnnyMotel99but the Eurostar costs like £100

@@alphabetaomega265 if jet fuel would be taxed and airports would have to actually operate profitable (Düsseldorf Airport lost 11 Mil € in 2022, all paid by the city as owner of the airport) flights would be more expensive too

@@martinum4 Yep, airtravel is heavily subsidised.

Not to mention the atrocious abuse and delays caused by the the security staff at Heathrow. I would not go near the place again.

Same here. I’d assume LTM is preserving a car, but it’d be great if they could preserve a whole train to maybe run a heritage service years from now, like they’ve done with the 38 Stock.

I believe the Piccadilly is (was?) slated to get a signalling upgrade in 2028 - hopefully this would support the line being automated.

The lines won’t ever be automated! Did you listen to the video?? Unions won’t allow it

They will be automated as modern signalling for metros is usually automated. But it wouldn't be driverless. @@callumcc8897

I love the transverse seats on the B'loo line stock. I wonder if they can do a variant...just to please me! 😄

They will replace the Bakerloo line too mate

I've heard that bakerloo will keep its current stock until 2040, or even 2050, the tunnels are just not big enough

If they can afford to/can get the funding for more then they will, in theory the order could go to another manufacturer but if they happy with what Siemens supplies (which is pretty much guaranteed) they'll probably write any new tender so that it effectively makes Siemens the only possible winner. They certainly have the most reliable mainline trains in the UK.

Get rid of this govt and they might just do it.

At one time it was, (I used to travel Green Park to Northfields and later the opposite way to Wood Green), but these trains are now old and have taken some punishment over the last 50 years.

All looks very good, but it's sad that a country that pioneered the railways, the underground and the industrial revolution now imports everything as it it has lost the will to succeed. So much for Brexit. Even the new high speed trains for the East Coast mainline are built in Spain.

It's been like that for a long time, sadly - the original trains used on the HK MTR were built by Metro Cammell in Birmingham - but when they needed more trains in 1992 they had to be delivered as parts and assembled locally in HK because the assembly workshops had been closed. Later in 1999 GEC-Alstom (who had taken over Metro-Cammell) no-bid the contract for the KCR trains because they couldn't even supply the parts and the contract ended up going to a Japanese consortium. They also no-bid the refurbishment contract for the older trains and that ended up going to UGL rail in Australia. @@Steven_Rowe

It's noisy and really shaky. I don't know whether this is due to the trains themselves or the tracks. But there's always a feeling of claustrophobia on that and the Northern Line, especially when compared to District and other lines and especially when you've travelled on the metros in East Asia.

​@@TrimeshSZThe people who run Britain think that wealth is created by pushing money around.

I think it did happen more than once: shephards were protesting against cotton, hence it was banned or heavily restricted to be imported to the UK... (Calico Acts)

Yawn

Piccadilly line is over 4 times longer though and uses single track tube tunnels which are much deeper that the Ligne 1. Whilst being longer their capacity is lower though. Also can’t ignore the difference in infrastructure project costs between the different countries as well.

I dont think its possible to make them any bigger

The interiors i mean

it’s a trade off for the air con

The Piccadilly line itself is over 100 years old. Thats what you get for being a trailblazing nation. It's far easier and cheaper to lay new infrastructure than upgrading existing ones, while painting a level of service.

😂😂😂😂😂

They run on ATO which is an automatic system but it still requires a driver in the cab to operate the system and open/ close the doors.

This can be solved by ETCS and ATO. With ETCS signals and speed limits get transfered directly to the cab.

Who cares. Accidents with driverless happen too. Picking on one human error doesn't prove anything.

If you're going to take a single incident as an argument, then I will too. Did you see that clip of a driver who was about to crash into a truck and ran through the train warning everyone to get down so they weren't injured? Yea, I don't think a CPU is able to do that.

@@transportenthusiast11 In general, computers are far more reliable than human beings. Computers get tested over and over and over again. Any faults are found and fixed. I don't think you can do that with a human.

Driverless or automated?

the new design is more streamlined, it has fewer irregular surfaces, not that it really matters. both are extremely unstreamlined.

I’ve been using the Piccadilly line all my life. It’ll be sad to see the ‘73 stock go, but I’m looking forward to see what the improvements for the new stock are for myself.

It's because of AC. Those cables and tubes go up to the top of the train between the windows

The tunnels need to be maintained every night

can't go fast if they pack the tracks to grills... ( at least that happened during my metro's CBTC upgrade, where the trains are really close together and basically have a train traffic jam into the terminal station on the line ( it's a Spanish solution style type platform)

I think squared windows are due to there being AC things or something if I remember correctly

You in 1890: these modern electric trains have lost all their charm, you can hardly call them trains when they're not powered by steam 😂

@@Ro99 I don't think they need squared windows for AC its probably just a preferable design choice over the many other designs they could probably use. It looks hideous.

@zicoazeez3060 I guess it depends when you consider many trains modern,have bigger windows than these and ride at 100mph or more. So it's more likely based on the design style for AC. Which let's be honest , based on other trains models, isn't the only form of design that's available. It's probably what they just went with. It still looks weird. But I appreciate the that it's still modern. I think personally the 96 and 95 stock aesthetic is better from a "modern aesthetic standpoint" . But thats perspnal prefrence

Shorter carraiges on the new trains

Need to calculate the door openings on old and new to compare, in addition to the longest space between doors.

You can count 9 cars from the video that’s 18 full doors. 73 Stock has the equivalent of 17 full doors, so total number of doors is comparable

9 carriages, some longer and some shorter, from Geoff's video the bogeys are only on the long carriages to fit in all the extra tech such as air cooling.

Air conditioning can just create more heat inside the stations and takes up a lot of space in the train. Just wear more appropriate clothes.

@@transportenthusiast11 nope there train engine is producing less heat, which can compensate for the air conditioning

​@@transportenthusiast11it has AC. And it is the reason for the small windows

Each of the carriages is a lot shorter than the current ones.

@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO i don’t know how they did it. In Glasgow, the made the new trains 4 cars by « cutting » the middle car in half. But I don’t see something here

It's not technically Air Conditioning, but air cooling. I remember reading there's an important distinction between them and that New Tube for London is using the latter.