I hope i live long enough to see another proper PlayStation handheld. The PSP was the best thing as a kid.

I have to agree with Austin, there is no point to a cloud gaming handheld when other devices such as your phone or the steam that can handle it unless the device is $100. However if you already have a phone why? The only reason this PlayStation handheld will be cool is, little curiosity here, what will the modding community do?

A thing I think people miss with the "affordability" angle is that internet service is another cost that not everyone (even in the US) has. So for a lot of people it would make more sense to get something that will still allow you to still play without an internet connection. So the audience for this is actually sandwiched somewhere between the people that would want a higher quality experience like with the steamdeck and people who want something that doesn't depend on the internet. So it doesn't have as big of a range as y'all are thinking

Wow! That debate was awesome! I'm also now excited to see what this new Playstation hand held thing will be.

Great job as always gentlemen. Always look forward to these debates/breakdowns.

I always enjoy these videos where the two of you debate a topic. Always interesting to hear both sides !

I feel like this product would be perfect for me as I use remote play on my iPhone all the time with a backbone. And it’s great but I do miss out on the full ps5 experience as the dual sense adds alot of the experience which is great. Especially with the new Jedi survivor game.

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My wild theory is that there will be two handhelds. The Playstation Q and the Playstation Q Lite. The Q would be a whole new portable console like the Vita / PSP, while also having remote play / game streaming options while the Q Lite only has those remote play options. The Q would be something like ~$350 in order to compete with the Switch and the Q Lite would be ~$150 in order to make it seem worth it for people who just want cloud gaming or streaming and nothing else.

That render looks nice imo. I really wish they would at least try going for offset thumb sticks. On regular dualsense controller, it is fine as it is but on mobile controllers it is not. Hopefully, they don't make a cloud only device because that just doesn't make any sense where the market is saturated with them be it the logitech or smart phones or whatever device it is. It needs to compete with the switch and steam deck. A fun use case head canon thing is if you can pair it directly to the PS5 as a controller and a second screen sort of like the Wii U but better. I would love to really see that

To be completly honest, I`m with Austin on this one... Why would I want to pay what it costs to buy something like a gcloud for cloud gaming, when for basicly the same price, I can buy a switch AND one of those bluetooth controllers that allow me to slot my phone in the middle, and play cloud games that way. On top of that, you can not only stream gamepass games from the cloud, but one of the xbox apps allows for remote play from the console as well... Devices like these only make sense (in my mind anyway) if they have enough power to play console quality games locally, or are cheap enough that I can justify buying it, instead of just buying a decent controller and using my phone. These are obviously just rumours and speculation, but wouldn`t it just be easier to allow for remote play via the PS app, and sell a controller specificly for this use case?

To have a device that has built-in buttons that is to answer the question for you Austin. I bought a PS Vita and not just for the games that I could play on it and mod it but also because of the fact I could do remote Play with built-in buttons and native hardware

I just love how they cut each other to get their arguments through.

I agree that this is a niche scenario but I would be super excited for the remote play. There’s only one TV in my house, so when someone is using it I can’t. And, while my phone can run the games, the screen is too small, it gets too hot, and I don’t want to drain the battery of it if I can help it

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What’s up austin keep up the work

I Need New Ps Vita!!! I Still Have the Old One!!! 👌🏻😃👌🏻

These debate type videos could be in an hour long podcast format and I’d watch the whole thing

I think the idea is pretty neat. I do understand it as such, that the handheld is remote playing the PS5‘s screen onto this device. With that Sony does not need to run big servers to compute games of tons of people. The computing is local on your own Playstation. The hardware itself could be much, and i mean very much, better than a Smartphone on a kickstand-remote play-Bluetooth DualShock-Hybrid kinda situation. I would consider such a hardware to being able to play my games on my actual own PS5 on the go when I have to travel or just want to lay in bed etc. and continue when i come back to my gaming setup/ big screen. The only thing would be the price. It needs to be affordable, for that what you get (a dumb controller with a built in screen and internet connectivity). Edit: even though it‘s Sony and it‘s probably gonna be kind of expensive, I still hope that I would be wrong since, they wouldn’t need extra servers for this..

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I’m definitely on Austin’s side and to add to the whole wanting the dual sense experience when you use remote play with a actual dual sense via Bluetooth on your phone you still get the haptics and adaptive triggers and guess what to make it more comfortable you get those brackets that hold both your phone and controller together which you paying mostly about $20 because you already have the dual sense assuming that you already have the ps5 and the dual sense works with other apps as well

They should add a cross buy system in place so you can play your PS4/PS5 games without requiring an internet connection and keeping remote play a the secondary feature it was originally intended to be

Sony knows what they are doing with handhelds right until they launch it.

I always follow Scott the Woz's words with cloud gaming "Cloud gaming has alot of potential as a supplement to regular gaming". He's right for the majority of people in that, most people are in rural areas that won't have a good internet connection to be able to utilize cloud gaming, and people like Matt mentioned where in areas like Brazil where consoles are expensive, and not to be disrespectful, but what is the chances they have a really good internet connection for cloud gaming? Probably not.

Given that even Sony camcorders run Android under the hood and are fairly hackable to unlock frame rates for example, it's pretty likely that you'll eventually be able to sideload stuff onto this system.

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I was thinking companies may do more of a hybrid approach when it comes to cloud gaming. Where the console would have decent specs but 50% to 75% of the work is done somewhere on a server. But some of the work is done on the console it's self.

I guess im one of those weird ppl that use their phone for the core phone functionality. i tend to be chatting when im out and about, so a gcloud makes sense to me. plus the fact its basically a tablet with controllers attatched and most games recognize the controllers, it been a great addition to my life.

Whats important is how well the connection works. We have our PS4 in our living room.We are a family of six. The amount of time i actually get for gaming is vey limited. I do play on my phone, but if it would work as well as it does on my Switch... that would be wonderful. At the time it kind of sometimes work. The PS TV was horrible, it lost connection ALL THE TIME.

I love my ps5 and vita. I really hope they bring something out that can combat the switch and steam deck

I totally agree with Austin today

Looked like bro got startled in the beginning 😂💀💀

We need a sequel to the expira play. I apho ewoth a biult in controller made for cloud gaming would probably sell pretty well. Basically imagine an RPG phone with a built in controller.

I was really into running emulators on my phone like 10 years ago. It seemed really cool and novel at the time. I even got an HDMI cable to play on my TV with a bluetooth gamepad. I think it was a Sony Xperia. The novelty wore off fast when I never had any battery for.. you know, using the phone.. as a phone. Also I couldn't charge the phone while it was plugged into the TV so that was a time limiter. My first Razer Phone faired well, but it would overheat like crazy after a while. I had to wrap it in a cloth and stick it in the freezer for 10 minutes to cool it off. I'm really happy having a dedicated device these days, the Switch has been great. No cloud gaming for me though. Yuck.

This makes complete sense. Not everyone has a setup. Has a spare tv. Has a room to go to. This works

What I would like to see is if they brought in Wii u like compatibility where it adds extra features to the game if both screens are on but regular gameplay if you can only use the handheld.

What if they make it and be like a wii U Gamepad kind of thing. The Wii U gamepad was amazing at doing the remote play part of it. I played wind waker like that and played BO2 with no noticeable lag.

Not trying to hold my phone while I play I’m very excited . Lol

I can see where Matt is coming from but I'm more with Austin on this one.

I feel that this could potentially be a handheld for old school games as well as ps3 content with the edition of re Orr play bring the ability to play new age games.

I have an iPad mini 5 and a gamevice. I stream Xbox and play COD. It works great and cost little compared to stream etc.

Data caps exist in home networks as well. 1.25TB for most companies. Downloading a game these days takes a tenth of my data already.

*I seriously think Sony should make a VR handheld type console/Handheld device that stream games and you can play VR games plus it has remote play feature....I think that would be dope*

It is possible to use remote play over the internet. I have a PS4 in one house and a PS5 on the same account in another, and i can remote play on the PS5 from my PS4. My experience with this has been much better than with any cloud gaming (including Sony’s own offerings). I think Sony must be doing something clever with how they send the data over remote play as it seems quite responsive. Having a handheld that could play PS5 games on via remote play on the internet seems like a compelling option.

Soo this is like a wii u

This reminds me of the old Sony Ericsson Xperia Play phone.

From my point of view what i want from this handheld is 1. to download my games that i have in my library and play them whenever i whant , it shuld not require to allways be connected in this case, 2.remote play my games from the ps5 (whatever disc i have inserted) internet connection will be required in this case...well tehnically a steamdeck with psn interface that will allways be connected to my console and account, i myself will pay top bucks for that

I feel like dedicated hardware only makes sense, if the connection technology is something that lets you play these games remotely, but without internet connection. So kind of like, remote play optimized bluetooth? It probably makes no sense, but to me it's the only way to justify that initial cost. Essentially, think of something you buy for your console to turn it into a Switch. Is it practical even then? I mean gaming laptops have a huge market, so it's possible.

The collab wars lol

So if I already have a ps5 I buy a stand to use the duelsense with my phone and use that instead of buying a whole new device

Got myself a Rig Nacon retractable controller and PSplay on my Galaxy that works great for emulators and ps5 remote play. As well as Game pass. Much cheaper than these cloud devices. Definitely don’t expect emulators to work on this new device.

U are able to use the PS5 controller for the remote play with your ipad

ps vita completly underrated asf would recommend to pick one up . easy jailbreak too

If this will be an Android device or something focused to remote play they better have a beef specs because just this year they have many rivals already, there's the existing razer edge and the ayn odin pro and the upcoming ayaneo pocket air and pimax portal there the AYN Loki too which most of them are just confirmed

A somewhat new psvita basically its a streaming device that is built solely for remote play meaning you will need a ps5 that near by to play your games on that device just like how they use on the psvita back in the day

Damn 6:24 Austin got me thinking 🤔

I’m sure if it’s a remote play dedicated device then Sony will take advantage of the fact that the PS five can broadcast its own Wi-Fi for the device to connect to giving you a seamless experience with no interruptions on the network.

I think it could get a lot of sales if it works solo but better with a ps5/4 so people can get a better experience then the switch without getting a 100$ handheld and need a 500$ console

Austin is correct about the market dynamics. However, until Wifi 6E/7 + 500mbit/sec internet is *standard* in poorer areas, say, in 5-7 years, the *long-term play* for cloud won't reach fruition. For us, we just hope we get better services and hardware as the future evolves to have a bit of.... a hybrid!

I'd love to see a PSP2, with a 120hz OLED & BFI (a Sony OLEDoS would be even more amazing, those have 5000+ PPI), backwards compatible with PSP/PSV and able to emulate PS1, PS2 and maybe even PS3 games, that would be a love letter to the PlayStation brand, a huge library of games on a nice well-designed Sony handheld with a beautiful Sony OLED screen, sign me up.

They need to make this new psp happen

an actual psvita successor would be really cool however a control with just a screen tethered to your ps5 just sounds like a Wii U by sony

As an iOS user, or just someone who uses my phone for business, the last thing I want to do is play games on my phone. I have a dedicated Ayn Odin for local streaming, cloud, gaming, and emulation. The battery last forever, it’s completely gaming focus, customized in that way, it makes me feel excited to use it. At around 200 bucks, the lite version is a great option. Any more than that, it doesn’t make sense.

I would LOVE for them to include a tiny amount of onboard memory so you could include 1/2 local games played at 720/1080p Being able to leave your home and take your PS5 progress in your offline solo game with you would be a game changer. The steamdeck can do it, surely Sony can

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Let's hope for the next generation of a PS3 or Vita portable that I will be able to play Not Just games from the PSP and the Vita but also games from PS3 and PS4 to PS5 and maybe even play a few games from the internet that be able to play offline as well once it's officially downloaded like think of it as once you finally get a computer game from the internet downloaded on the new type of PS portable console it will have all the levels and all the features and the only time when it's in need of new installments connected to the internet then new updates and new levels will be official for all what do any of you think just curious🤔?

I love having my kishi on my iphone and play xbox games. Just need to get apple to allow it on the gamepass app.

Omfg please please please!!! I still use my PSP 3000, there's a huge PSP community on Reddit. I never tried remote play with it though, my wifi was never good enough lmao.

I agree with Austin native for sure. Remore play as the selling point (Psp/Vita could also do for PS3 & 4 and a small audience uses) and that not enough info is there makes it harder to care about. Cloud makes it phone accessible without the console (PC has PS+/PSNow they had prior to get PC gamers accessing Sony service s besides their PC ports) same as the TV app on Xbox than a streaming box they had prototyped and cancelled. Cloud handhelds are android so ird a tablet eith controls on the side and cloud options so it isn't a paperweight when those cloud services aren't accessible at least or no internet access. ineed more info I care for remote play on Wii U and Vita with a PS4 but I don't ude it much (got so many games for different consoles to collect and play so). But yeah cloud I see why but remote play needs the console so its a bit pointless if a phone (android app since 2019 or iphone recently and that backbone grip) or PS4 app allows you to connect to a PS5. Need more info as otherwise PlayStation proprietary OS as usual and a remote play device is a paperweight without having native makes no sense. Dualsense features sure but a connection device isn't appealing. I can cast my phone to a TV if I want for non rv apps if I wanted with third party casting apps to project my phone if I wanted to.

I played a Gamepass game on my phone and I'm like "these are incredible times we live in."

Ps vita should come back as PS vita 2

Good convo! Loved the back and fourth ideas and freedom of ideas while throwing in opinions but still respecting the others ideas as well. I cloud game on my IPhone Pro 14. I can play any game on Xbox Games Pass , even online games like Halo multiplayer etc… it’s not the best experience but still good enough when I’m in my bed and want to chill and game at night. Win win situation I say 🦾

"follow MY logic for a second" you tell 'em

Omg this is the first time I’ve been so early on a vid

The best portable device will be the one that I can use my quest 2 on it. I’ve also go a Steam deck and love it but I don’t understand why they don’t work together today. So let’s build a a portable device that I can use both. My steam account and my VR headset

The Nintendo Switch, Steam Deck and Rog Alley still sound better. If I can play TLOU, RDR2, or whatever on the go on this new thing, then I’ll be interested.

I don’t know if I am falling for psp/vita again

It would be a great gift. I would not go out and buy one myself, however, if someone gifted this to me, I am sure I would be happy with it.

sony should ditch all this and hit up nokia and make the n-Gage 2 together

It would be a win if it could do remote play, and if you can cloud gane through ps+ 💯💯💯 which would directly compete with game pass

If it ends up being $100 I can absolutely see the appeal. You're getting a big 16:9 screen with proper attached controllers. On a phone you'd have to prop it up and use a normal controller, or buy some expensive attachable controllers that aren't as good as the dual sense. You'll also have a smaller screen, which get's even smaller because of the black bars on either side. The problem is that it wont be $100.

I agree and disagree with both because there's one factor that will make the difference to me. I would absolutely buy a dedicated cloud gaming device if it's in the $200 or under price point. Otherwise a Steam Deck or other device makes more sense

I wish sony made a handheld portable ps5 since they used to have the sony vaio back in 2006 that ran full windows that looks like a tmobile sidekick. Now gpd is making portable handheld devices with 2 separate operating systems, 1 with android and 1 with windows. I was interested in getting handheld gaming device from gpd but I could not decide on what to get since they have so varieties to choose from. Sony used to fit alot of tech and weird products that they used to make back in the 90s and early 2000s with small form factors. The pimax portable that I'm interested in has a 4k qled 144 hz mini led display running android and it's like the size of the nintendo switch with the optional external dock using the amd 6800u processor with 32gb ram and 1tb of ssd storage for streaming content locally and a 5g module for cloud gaming. I have the 10,000 mah battery case from zero lemon for my nintendo switch since the stock battery is not enough for the nintendo switch.

just spitballing here but if I can connect via a remote device that mimics the PS4 or PS5 controller and access my existing game library and save files on the go that sounds great to me

I 100% agree it should be native and not cloud or remote play based. I loved what Sony did with the PSP UMD discs back in the day. Is it not possible to have a system that would utilize micro SD card slots to store games and play them natively on the console? That would be the best solution IMO

hey austin/comments, i just recently rebuilt my pc to upgrade parts and now that it’s built and put together it is super slow when it comes to loading certain things and i get the blue spinning wheel next to my cursor almost everytime i open something. does anyone know what could be the problem? cpu? maybe my windows OS?

I'm 💯 percent with Austin! But the arguments of both were interesting. 😊

I just know this thing is gonna be cracked wide open within a month of it dropping

First time in a while since I'm agree with linus tips lil sister

anyone know the sound effect on 2:20 ?

The argument in my eyes here is more along the lines of convenience. Cloud gaming has potential for being more convenient to some people than other people while other people prefer going the extra mile for something with a better experience. The point about price is huge though because all of this doesn’t make sense at the price point but as soon as you get some pretty good hardware with a good price that lets you have more features it’s more tempting for people

Cloud is nice but with how fragile things are we need a new physical storage medium to revolutionize the industry like cd rom did years ago

The only handheld I've ever owned was a PSP. Not the Go or Vita. It was actually really good for what it was, with an internet browser and all. I ended up modding it to put emulators on, and played it for over half a decade before it broke. 😅 If they made something with native games, and left it moderately easy to break into (instead of locking it down), I would probably buy it as a handheld. Until then, I'm looking more at a steam deck. Kinda holding out for a steam deck v2. 😅 Maybe if the steam deck v2 comes out, and the original gets a price drop I might pick up a steam deck original

Cloud gaming will never fully replace hardware. Is there potential, yes but it’s not the future if you can’t store a game in your device and play it without worrying if you’ll still have a signal

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I agree that its dumb to add more cloud gaming devices to an already seemingly endless amount of devices that can do it. If the Playstation handheld can play games on device, then yes, make that. That's what we want more than a cloud gaming device. Compete with the steam deck because right now that's the handheld to beat.

I’m with Matt. If this was something that does great remote play at home and OK-ish cloud play away from home, it’s easier to market a distinct handheld than telling people to just use their phone. Little kids don’t have phones, for example.

Honestly, it has a place. I use my psvita for remote play all the time on my lunch break. That experience would be horrible if i used my phone as a touch screen is horrible for trying to play any game that isnt basic controls. Sony's device is great for the space for those like me, wanting an actual controller and not touch screen. Not everyone wants to carry around an extra controller with whatever brace thats needed to attach your phone to a controller for remote play or cloud gaming. Even the usb controllers that attach to your phone isnt something that people want to fiddle with. Just a dedicated device just for the service you want to use. Which is why I use my psvita for remote play and not just my phone. I tried the controller and phone method its not comfortable for me. More hardware is always welcome. There is a market for it, and there are those of us who want it. I highly doubt they are expecting everyone or even half of its user base to buy one. Im looking forward to its release. Gaming on the go has always been big for me. Too many places have long wait times even with appointments. And its nice to be able to play my Playstation games when im in these situations and have an enjoyable experience rather than a miserable one.

If Sony does make this handheld and it only can play remote play games, it would be smart for Sony to make their PC games work on this as well

PSVR2 should have been a quest 2 type device, independent but also capable of cloud gaming or remote gaming....