Verdi: Requiem. Norman, Baltsa, Carreras, Nesterenko, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra and Chorus, Riccardo Muti (cond.) BR Klassik
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@jdeeside5 ай бұрын
I'm so delighted you chose this recording! I bought it over a year ago, when it became available in the UK, just for Jessye Norman. In fact it was Oct 2021! I have the Edinburgh festival DVD from the 80s where she sings the Mezzo role. I was dying to hear her take the soprano part and this speaks to her fabulous range when she was in her prime. The quartet on the whole are fantastic and Muti's conducting is thrilling!
@stephenjennings38445 ай бұрын
Dear David. Many thanks for your latest video. I can see how this release could well end up being one of the reference recordings, if not the reference recording of the Verdi Requiem. Like you said, there isn't a weak link with the soloists. A year or two ago, I bought Muti's Warner box set after viewing your mostly positive review on its release, so thanks for that as well. As an aside, I spent the day shelving up the last two year's cd purchases after watching you painstakingly organising your overflow room. Believe me it's so much more fun watching you do that and hearing your remarks on each recording than doing it myself!
@johanragnevad60035 ай бұрын
YES; this is indeed the new reference recording!!
@petterw53185 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this! It's a dream cast, yes. And Jessye Norman sang the Requiem also for Abbado, but the mezzo part.
@murraylow45235 ай бұрын
What an excellent idea for a series, Dave. Time and again I’m struck by some past reference recording (of whatever genre) simply being obviously outclassed by something more recent to the point where going with the 1960s-80s consensus might be a mistake. Things like the Beaux Arts Schubert or Ravel trios or Giulini’s (again) Don Giovanni. Only trouble is, and I’m fascinated by consensus formation too, whether we can identify new references and whether we should (I’m rather enjoying the proliferation of excellent new versions of things since the supposed crisis in the industry in the late 90s!) I’m thinking of the expression “postwar consensus” that was used in a general way in the wealthier countries, and which is no longer with us. Maybe this applied to consensus formation around “ reference recordings” too - I’m thinking of your Dvorak 9 video also here.
@garybonas53665 ай бұрын
Maestro Muti is returning to Philadelphia to perform the Verdi Requiem this coming October. Looking forward to it.
@mahnighorashi56843 ай бұрын
For me hands down the greatest performance recorded of the Verdi Requiem. Jessye Norman is a goddess in the soprano role.
@DavesClassicalGuide3 ай бұрын
Oh dear, not that goddess stuff again!
@user-wp4ju4hp5w5 ай бұрын
My favourite part of the Verdi Requiem is the Santus with the brilliant trumpets intro and beautiful choral voices
@TheHanslick5 ай бұрын
I hope you mean Sanctus
@garybonas53665 ай бұрын
This, in fact, may be the recording of a truly reference performance but it is NOT readily available on any of the streaming services (which is a HUGE negative) and it is not easy to obtain the physical CD. So, as you were quick to point out, its availability is a real problem to its becoming a new reference recording.
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
Presto has it for streaming
@geertdecoster53015 ай бұрын
How about Old Reference Recordings? Just wondering. Toscanini's 1940 Verdi Requiem perhaps?
@richardmohr86045 ай бұрын
It was the first recording mentioned by DH in his initial Verdi Requiem reference recording video.
@ianng99155 ай бұрын
Perhaps many others, Serafin 41, De Sabata etc😊
@fabiopaolobarbieri22865 ай бұрын
@@ianng9915 Not Serafin. His recording had wonderful voices, but I don't think the orchestral playing, the tempos, the excitement, came up to it. And bear in mind that his was the first Requiem I ever heard. Usually early acquaintance leads to affection, but in Serafin's case it led me to understanding how much better the likes of Giulini, Fricsay and Toscanini were.
@davidecarlassara85255 ай бұрын
Ah yes I have that one, I love it
@DanielGreineder5 ай бұрын
This is indeed a magnificent recording, warmer and more lyrical than I had feared. It passes at least one test for a reference recording, namely that anyone who only wanted a single recording of the Verdi Requiem would be thoroughly well-served by it. Alas, I fear a 40-year old radio recording on a small label, involving variously retired and deceased soloists, is unlikely to attain the notoriety it deserves. It will be more of a connoisseur's choice. I suspect Pappano's acclaimed Warner performance with its fine soloists and status as one of the Last Great Studio Recordings, will become the new gold standard for the critic and general listener.
@dennisbade38745 ай бұрын
This was issued in 2021, so a consensus ought to be possible!
@JackJohnsonNY5 ай бұрын
Speaking of the availability problem as relates to potential consensus building: this recording is not available on any streaming services. I got the CD when I first heard the reviews, and agree with everything said here, but it’s surprising to me that this wouldn’t be more widely available.
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
Presto has it.
@djquinn42125 ай бұрын
The soprano on his Chicago recordng is Frittoli. I do enjoy both that performance and this new release as well. Talk about a night where everything went right. Wow. The other performance that would be in contention for a modern reference of this Requiem (that hasn't been mentioned) is the Abbado EMI recording from Berlin w/ Alagna and Gheorghiu. She's absolutely one of the best sopranos in modern memory to sing the Libera Me, and it's by far Abbado's best performance of the work and worth being considered since he's the other great Verdi conductor from the 70's till his passing. As far as other modern reference recordings go, will the Honneck/Pittsburgh recordings get covered all at once? Or will they go one by one? My conservative estimate is 4 with the Eroica, Bruckner 4, Bruckner 9, and Tchaik 5 but the Brahms 4 and Mahler 3 on Exton could certainly make the cut as well.
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
They've all been reviewed when issued here or on ClassicsToday.com. I don't know if they will be reconsidered as possible "reference" recordings. I don't agree about Abbado, BTW. His view of the work was always too tame. Thanks for the correction on the Chicago soprano.
@djquinn42125 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide I love reading the reviews of Honneck and Pittsburgh and watching the videos, I see that I was jumping the gun assuming they’d get another mention as part of this modern reference recordings series. I hear the more tame approach in the first two Abbado recordings, but in the Berlin performance I hear more of the edge that you want in the Dies Irae in particular, but for me it’s all about the soloists. Anyway, I’m really enjoying the reference recording series! Also it’s been at least a year, so I’m resubmitting my request for a video on the Franz Schmidt Das Buch mit Sieben Siegeln.
@johannesulrichortmann8525 ай бұрын
Very interesting post. But one question comes to mind: Is availability really still a problem in the age of the Internet? Everything will remain available online forever. Or do you see permanent availability as a palpable product (CD, Vinyl) as independent criterion?
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
No, but it's not true that everything will remain available. It should, but it doesn't really work that way--at least not yet.
@peterboer95725 ай бұрын
Dave, I'm curious if David Oistrakh and Franz Konwitschny with the Dresdener Staatskapelle, a mono Deutsche Grammophon recording from 1954, is still the reference for the Brahms and Tchaikovsky violin concertos? Or are there new reference recordings? When I started collecting CDs in the eighties, I was really amazed that this was the recording to go for. Thank you Dave for your answer.
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
It never was a reference recording for either work.
@peterboer95725 ай бұрын
But if Oistrakh and Klemperer (1960) or Szell (1969) is the reference recording for the Brahms violin concerto than this recording (1954) could be the predecessor of the reference recording: a recording that is important for the reference recording.
@peterboer95725 ай бұрын
I'm looking forward towards the references Dave! Still a great East German recording.
@Taosravenfan5 ай бұрын
This is off topic for Requirm, but about “new” references. I’ve seen Manfred Honeck’s Titan spoken of on boards as deserving of being a new reference recording. Dave do you agree? Or our group do you agree?
@bbailey78185 ай бұрын
Spelling. When the first Shostakovich symphonies came out in the West in the 1930s (thanks to Stokowski) this is how they spelled his name: SZOSTAKOWICZ. Was RCA trying to disguise that he was of them there Bolsheviks and that he was really Polish?
@David-pt8ge5 ай бұрын
Are you able to offer affiliate links to discs mentioned? Inane no idea how that works, but have searched for and a bought quite a lot of recordings based on your recommendations. If we could do something, however small to generate revenue, it would seemingly be no issue. Ignore, if this has been discussed and/ or too much hassle.
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
I have no way to do that, but I appreciate the thought.
@kennyfujii74085 ай бұрын
My first thought when it comes to new reference recordings is Igor Levit’s complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas. His attention to detail of the score while having clarity of sound and sonority, even in the bits where he chooses to be more brazen is truly remarkable. Do you think this cycle has been in circulation and ingrained into the discography long enough to be considered a reference?
@DavesClassicalGuide5 ай бұрын
No.
@bendingcaesar655 ай бұрын
"Objective reality"??? Dave, you are wonderful. You are a lone warrior against the decaying stench of post-modernism / post-truth.
@murraylow45235 ай бұрын
Well, OK, but as we’re dealing with performances here, *not* having “reference recordings” might be a liberating thing. To say that recording X is the Truth is really rather silly (I don’t think this is what Dave is saying at all). I find easy slashing away at “postmodernism “ troubling, as in even the most analytical areas of philosophy nobody has ever firmly established what the conditions for a True Statement are. I wish it weren’t so, but it is.