New Wizard: Illusionist | 2024 Player's Handbook

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@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38 2 күн бұрын

Assuming the Seeming spell works the same, changing the appearance of everyone in a 90 ft radius instead of a 30 ft radius is perfect for causing chaos and confusion.

@Adurnis 2 күн бұрын

I think it’ll be called an emanation now so it won’t work the same.

@WallyDM 3 күн бұрын

The Illusionist was one of my favorite classes in 1E AD&D. It's so good to see it get some much needed upgrades in D&D 24. This new version sounds magnificent!

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

But this version is strictly worse than the 5e version? Malleable Illusions made mid to high level wizard essentially Gods, now its replaced by Nerfed summons who were already notorious for getting one shot in the mid-late game and being completely useless. Cast Mirage Arcane and Rise mountains, open lava fissures, build a castle out of thin air with Malleable Illusions? Or summon Paw Patrol to get wiped out by a single attack/AoE? I'll be sticking with my 5e Illusion Wizard, my DM has already agreed to let me just swap out this trash level 6 feature with Malleable Illusions and keep the upgraded Savant feature.

@WallyDM 2 күн бұрын

@@FrontLineBuster I did say "sounds" magnificent, lol. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind once I see the printed text in the new book... and I hope I'm not disappointed. I've used the summon spells mentioned on other characters builds and they are some of my favorites. I also like that the vocal components are not required for illusions. Subtle spell was always cool to me as a sorcerer, and this is similar. But yeah, I see no issues at all sticking with the 2014 version of classes and subclasses. I'm sure a lot of folks will still like the 14 version better, while some might enjoy the 24 version. Good thing is... we can have both. 🙂

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

@@WallyDM Not having verbal still requires your wizard to pass a slight of hand check to get away with the Somatic components... which sucks as thats not particularly something wizards are known for being good at. Meanwhile there are warlock subclasses that can cast two entire schools of magic without any verbal or somatic components so idk why they couldnt give both to the Illusionist also. Also im not saying Summon Fey is a bad spell, but having it as a Level 6 feature where they are already coming in at half HP with your free use is mid.

@WallyDM Күн бұрын

@@FrontLineBuster Ya know, great point on the somatic. I'd also be one of those DMs that would call for a sleight of hand check if the target could see the spellcaster. Bummer they didn't remove both V and S on this one.

@bluesnake4626 14 сағат бұрын

@@FrontLineBuster I don't really see how malleable illusion is better. It just lets you change what your illusion looks like. The change to summoning spells sounds way more fun than changing a fake mountain into a fake castle. Edit: I looked into it and I can see how malleable illusion could be good, but only with Mirage Arcane, which is a 7th level spell. So its a feature that is largely useless for 7 levels when you can use it at level 13. And it takes 10 minutes to cast, so you would have to set up the area as part of prep and has no use in moment to moment battle. I would rather a feature I could use instantly and part of battle. Clearly you like it so go right ahead using it, but personally I still see this as a better change myself. I haven't even been in a campaign long enough to get to level 13.

@zenith110 2 күн бұрын

One of the most improved subclasses so far, very keen on trying it out

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

Hard disagree, the level 6 feature for summon beasts and Fey is hot garbage compared to the versatility of Malleable Illusions. If I wanted to play a class around Summons id play a Druid, especially not NERFED Summons. As opposed to having a permanent Major Image (When cast at 6th level it lasts until dispelled) that you can change to look like anything you want as an action without expending any further resources is infinitely better. Dont even get me started on Mirage Arcane + Malleable Illusions. That level 6 feature is absolutely garbage in comparison. I will stick to my 5e School of Illusion Wizard.

@SpookyGhostGoku 2 күн бұрын

⁠@@FrontLineBuster I feel like almost every DM already plays illusion spells like that, though. The ability to change the way your illusion looks or behaves with an action… is what most people already do, effectively. Even if it’s technically against the rules. This made it so, in most cases, the Illusionist just didn’t have a 6th level feature. I’d personally rather have a flawed feature over one that basically doesn’t give me anything.

@zenith110 2 күн бұрын

@@FrontLineBuster @FrontLineBuster I understand why you might think that, but the problem that I have always had with Illusions is that they offer so much in terms of creativity but it is only stifled by GM's who are unprepared for your vision as the player behind the illusion wizard. I enjoyed malleable illusions, but everything being equal I cannot DM for myself, and even though I would need to have a conversation with any DM before I started to play an illusion wizard, my experience is that they would not interpret things the same way I would. More specifically to malleable illusions, that should just be Baseline for the illusion wizard - period. Don't get me wrong if I could have both I would

@Yaxoi 3 күн бұрын

This soudns really fun actually

@MemphiStig Күн бұрын

Shout out to Tempest, my friend's 1e half-elf Fighter/Illusionist, the only illusionist I can remember seeing in my D&D life. I like this new one; it makes the class more viable.

@Fralexion 2 күн бұрын

Still wish they'd kept Malleable Illusions in somewhere. It wasn't the strongest feature, but it was fun and rewarded creativity.

@lucasn.e5835 Күн бұрын

Anything they didnt explicitly say its removed is still there im pretty sure

@dnddetective Күн бұрын

Honestly I would just give characters it still on top of the 6th level feature. It's unique but not gamebreakingly powerful.

@cryptowatcher5963 2 күн бұрын

I still think they should get to deal some pain with illusions, even if it was only ever a d10, despite it being an illusory elephant falling on you.

@christiancrosby7519 2 күн бұрын

Well when you use Summon Fey or Summon Beast as illusion spells, they can still attack and deal damage

@dnddetective Күн бұрын

You guys really should clarify if malleable illusions is being kept and this 6th level feature is being given on top of it. Because it would be pretty disappointing for you to get rid of malleable illusions.

@clydecrimsoncrow7740 3 күн бұрын

Now this interesting me to create an illusionist character

@codebracker 2 күн бұрын

If it can attack and has HP, it it really an illusion?

@chiepah2 2 күн бұрын

Much better than creating a Sorcerer to do this sort of thing, before these changes if you wanted to make a sneaky caster you had to go sorcerer.

@SPC49 2 күн бұрын

I didn't know this was the subclass I wanted the most to change until this video. I can't wait to play this

@rickchainey830 2 күн бұрын

This sounds phenomenal

@TheMisterBerry 2 күн бұрын

Oh this is just objectively better Illusionist Wizard. I'd LOVE to try this new one out - it sounds far more interesting and flexible than it used to be.

@Crocthunder Күн бұрын

Oooo hyped to role play as one of these , got some ideas

@A.I.Friends 2 күн бұрын

They never need to be changed from 1st edition. They were perfect.

@jeff1238191 2 күн бұрын

Do the Arcane Traditions not count as a subclass anymore cuz my nephew's character is a wizard and he's a Conjuring tradition I'm worried I'll have to get the book and restart the whole campaign all over again

@cliff1446 2 күн бұрын

@jeff1238191 You aren't forced to buy or use anything, it's about having fun after all. Arcane Traditions are subclasses. If a subclass shouldn't have an updated version, like the Necromancer and you want to use it with the new rules you just use the old subclass with the new class.

@walkmonkey7 2 күн бұрын

It's backwards compatible so older versions of the classes can still play within the new ruleset.

@Mark-ki7ic 2 күн бұрын

Love the improvement from the UA

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

Still worse than 5e.

@The-Swift-Kobold 2 күн бұрын

I like these videos more so because they are both so in love with the game

@DireBearGeek 2 күн бұрын

Love the new illusionist. But where is the transmuter and necro?

@Atrivion 2 күн бұрын

DLC to come later. =P

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

They left out all the game breaking sub-classes, and took the broken part of Illusionist (Malleable Illusions). Would you rather cast Major image once at 6th level and never need to cast it ever again to use it unless it gets dispelled? Or would you rather summon a pet with half its normal hp thats probably going to get obliterated after 1 round by a single attack or AoE? This illusionist sucks. They will probably add Necromancer when they get rid of the feature that doesnt allow its Max HP to be reduced so people can no longer spend all their gold creating a Magen army.

@DireBearGeek 2 күн бұрын

@@FrontLineBuster Gamebreaking =Fun

@FrontLineBuster 2 күн бұрын

@@DireBearGeek My point is they removed them because people were using the interactions to break the game, but they were fine and incredibly versatile for people who wanted to use those features in creative ways, now the creativity for Illusionist is drastically restricted compared to before.

@rory7590 2 күн бұрын

This kinda feels like they have made a rule that replaces the need for an Artificer Class. I could actually see the Wizard Class just absorbing the whole Artificer Class with more subclasses like Alchemist and Artillerist.

@Orcawsom 2 күн бұрын

im sorry but this one is the biggest miss in the new phb for me, you turned it into a reflavoured summoner and with no offering for Conjuration Wizards. Illusionist already stepped on the toes of Conjuration Wizards with Illusory Reality but now getting them a Summon Spell Conjurer's couldn't even get before? I really hope you guys got something extra unique for Conjuration Wizard in store soon...

@Chrjstheshadow 2 күн бұрын

Depends on your definition of soon. Doesn’t seem like Conjurer, Enchanter, Necromancer or Transmuter made their way into the phb

@duckmanguy8575 2 күн бұрын

Yeah, unique as in they nerfed conjuration spells into not actually conjuring anything anymore and just being another version of spiritual guardians and spiritual weapons, no more summoning a big scary demon with summon greater demon, now you get summon fiend and only get fiendish spirit, and just that, no more summoning hags or bears and dinosaurs, just beast spirit and fey spirit.

@duckmanguy8575 2 күн бұрын

You just turned the illusion wizard into another conjuration wizard but with the bad summon spells. (because you turned the good conjuration spells into like six flavors of spiritual guardians)

@Ubermensch9240 2 күн бұрын

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tulock's Pennywise Build is now more usable!

@ryanlhjess 2 күн бұрын

Don't get me wrong, the speaker is clearly professional and well spoken. But somehow I'm not sure if it's the format, or something else, but I have a hard time listening to these conversations, they always seem to lose my attention.

@kenthemonkmain 2 күн бұрын

Ummmmmmmmm that's not my Monk.

@Sgt_Mushroom 2 күн бұрын

Why?

@GravityAP 3 күн бұрын

Did they address that somatic and material components are still just as perceptible as verbal components currently so being able to cast without verbals effectively does nothing. They also killed like the only cool thing about illusion, being able to edit mirage arcane as an action with your level 6 to effectively become a god within a 1 mile cube.

@kongoaurius 2 күн бұрын

If you only need somatic they could probably add a rule that makes you roll a stealth check or sleight of hands

@GravityAP 2 күн бұрын

@@kongoaurius As long as they codify that in the book, if not backwards compatibility says xgte rules still apply

@zachrusso-yu4ul 2 күн бұрын

Depends on the dm but also it's just cool and flavorful shut your minmaxer mouth I'm sorry that was aggressive

@VBane 2 күн бұрын

I feel like it's alot easier to twiddle your fingers unnoticed than speak a spell out loud unnoticed.

@comicmoniker 2 күн бұрын

@@zachrusso-yu4ul honestly, I too struggle to find a polite way to say "god damn, stop just dismissing every fun feature as not abusable enough!"

@thewowmister 3 күн бұрын

Anybody else feel like illusionist is just a naruto character? Substitution, summoning, creating objects, messing with peoples heads. I'm sure there are new spells and features that could continue with the flavor but the sound of playing an illusionist ninja is too god damn enticing.