New Zealand rugby pundits react to shock loss to Argentina | The Breakdown
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Жыл бұрынThe Breakdown is back with Kirstie Stanway, John Kirwan, Mils Muliaina and Jeff Wilson as they react to the All Blacks being beaten by the Pumas in The Rugby Championship. #TheBreakdown
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@Argenswiss Жыл бұрын
Saying that Argentina didn't play as an excuse is such a shallow and mistaken analysis. Argentina are more than capable of playing beautiful high paced rugby, but why would you do that against new Zealand? That's suicide, this isn't super rugby we aren't going to just play to your strengths, we will play to your weaknesses. If the Pumas identified how to negate your attack, Choke your options and generate mistakes to capitalise on, and you couldn't find a solution then it's on you and it is also about Argentina being smart and playing brilliantly
@emilianoabal1257 Жыл бұрын
exactly..
@haroldchong6861 Жыл бұрын
Agreed to the fullest
@ricardoezequielneira1795 Жыл бұрын
As an Argentinian, thank you Tomas, I always remember that one of the greatest virtues of the All Blacks and the Kiwis in general is humility, your words follow that tradition, keep it that way
@moseseyacalevu3027 Жыл бұрын
Definitely agree with you. We are in a different era of Rugby. Win at all costs. Argentina played to their strengths. A wonderful game of footy indeed.
@lilgreensha Жыл бұрын
As an Argentinian there is one thing that every Argentinian kid gets printed in its forehead : tackle to death we did that for the first time correctly
@georginiuss Жыл бұрын
I am from argentina, I watch rugby since I was a kid, I play it only for one season and I am a puma´s fan of course. I grew up watching games against AB´s and I never forgot this statement: you have to have discipline against AB because if you don´t, they will make you pay that with points: Well this time, AB´s did not got discipline, and Argentina make them pay. That´s all !!
@robbiegarscadden2311 Жыл бұрын
Well said Jorge. The best team one. THe Abs didnt show up to compete in the second half. Pumas demand our respect. Im looking forward to tonights game. Good luck Pumas.
@georginiuss Жыл бұрын
@@robbiegarscadden2311 I always enjoy facing rugby best teams. Sometimes we win, but no matter what, we always learn.
@timpawlett2565 Жыл бұрын
From a neutral background, the Argentina win makes world rugby more exciting as anyone is capable of beating anyone. Argentina will punish you if your discipline is poor, the proof was in the weekend's game. This will be a time to see the All Blacks show some real courage and effort to get back to No 1. South Africa, Australia and Argentina will not make that an easy task. In the northern hemisphere Ireland have already shown the way. France and England will be seeing an opportunity.
@00Aroha Жыл бұрын
🥱🥱
@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 Жыл бұрын
This is the age of professional sports, and professional sports are ripe with sports fixing , money talks B's walks, call me crazy but we were warned, warned by the experts on a Saturday radio interview on talk back zb a few years back that we will notice sports fixing creeping into our sports, since then all blacks drew a British lions tour, lost to Ireland twice lost to England lost to Argentina twice lost to south Africa , next we will lose to Wales and Scotland then Japan will beat us
@V.M.pescasur Жыл бұрын
@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 en argentina el rugby es amateur amigo, todos los pumas tienen su trabajo aparte de jugar al rugby
@ballinlough12345 Жыл бұрын
@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 ya it's all match fixing . Nothing to do with the all black forwards being fucking dog shit. One member of the all black pack would have a hope of getting in the Irish side. And even then its only a chance. All the best players play in europe and the all blacks been left behind . They will never be number 1 again
@tomasorozco7678 Жыл бұрын
@@V.M.pescasur los Pumas no si todos juegan en clubes de Europa jaja
@rocksoliddude1 Жыл бұрын
It's not a shock win, it was a great win. Argentina are a competitive team in the Rugby Championship now and capable of beating anyone. These dull pundits have nothing positive to say about the Pumas, it's all "NZ should have played better". Horrendous arrogance.
@zabaleta66 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I disliked the title too.
@estudiog_ggoldstein3202 Жыл бұрын
right
@PabloKeilis Жыл бұрын
They have been the best team for so long that is totally understandable that they have the feeling of being better than everybody else. It's going to take many more bad results in order for them to finally give up this feeling of superiority, and accept the fact that there are other countries with a similar level of skills and knowledge, and also with a great winning mentality.
@aidanloveridge1721 Жыл бұрын
Argentina scored alot of points on Pens and Cody Taylor butchered two lineouts 5 meters out from the goal line with a couple minutes to go. Argentinas defence in the second half was amazing and they played really well. We still fucked up a ton and need to do better.
@treeox Жыл бұрын
Argentina played well and deserved to win, but there is no way the All Blacks are playing to their ability, and haven't for a while under Foster's coaching and Cane's Captaincy. Do you even know who these commentators are? Kirwan 63 tests for NZ, Mills 100 tests for NZ, Wilson 60 tests for NZ- Did you think this NZ programme was going to analyse the Pumas? LOL.
@TheGadfly85 Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson is absolutely nuts...lol. He is praising the AllBlacks' ability to score tries, most of the time capitalizing on the opposition's mistakes, while playing poorly for large parts of the game, but when some other team does the same he somehow seems salty about it
@drisszyani3497 Жыл бұрын
The 2 clowns ( Muliaina and Wilson)wanted to see the worst coach in the history continue..
@kylelouer4323 Жыл бұрын
He’s out to lunch dude. Jk put him in his place in the first 3 mins of the show
@gms77777 Жыл бұрын
Dont rate Wilson as a pundit. Just my humble opinion
@kevinwillis6707 Жыл бұрын
wilson is always like this, surprised he hasnt slagged off the ref
@dsartain3404 Жыл бұрын
You’re right, I think Jeff was a fantastic player and could offer some constructive Criticism but you’re right, he’s a bit salty.
@cmwenda92 Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson way way off the mark. Argentina won that game on merit. Hopefully one day, when the emotion is less raw, he'll look at the game objectively. Argentina started taking that game back with defensive pressure and winning back the 3 points. NZ failed to win moments, moments which the Pumas forward pack won. It got to the team, they lost composure, lost crucial set pieces and ultimately the game. The current team can't handle pressure, teams know this.
@jakesjacobs1737 Жыл бұрын
My advice...get used to NZers complaining ABs were bad when they lose in stead of saying the opp was good. Coaches complaining abt the rules when opp stifle AB tactics.Extremely entitled. Best thing for world rugby and for NZers is if ABs lose another 3 this year and lose 7 games every year for the next 20 years. They are just human, like the rest of the teams
@mark-ish Жыл бұрын
@@jakesjacobs1737 ouch, you're a bitter person.
@sundaze7089 Жыл бұрын
@@jakesjacobs1737 Pumas were awesome ! . I reckon they will win on sat or come real close.They have discipline and belief , and they know they can suffocate us , and the ABs will panic again like the last 3 friggin years , go willy nilly , drop the pill and give away penalties.And then Jeff Wilson will say the Abs controlled the game .....lol
@daggylmcgra9653 Жыл бұрын
I thought Mils' was on the mark with his comments about the lack of the ABs being able to think laterally and try new things when the game plan is not working. Kiwi's need to understand that the glory days of the ABs winning every game are over. The quality of world rugby has improved dramatically and the game has and still is changing. Get used to it, or play better/smarter.
@ExtremelyBadPlayer Жыл бұрын
ya lol did he watch the same game as me? ABs were definitely poor but Argentina were also amazing!
@dandan4092 Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson is on a different planet
@nickrad6966 Жыл бұрын
Arrogant delusion.
@kylelouer4323 Жыл бұрын
Love JK calling out Goldie. Goldie has got this weird idea in his head that the AB’s are okay. They’re not. JK is right,; shut up Goldie the AB’s were never dominating the game
@jonnyd.2047 Жыл бұрын
Goldie is mates with Foster etc. He can't be objective about the coaching, and blames the players alone.
@jukeseyable Жыл бұрын
Feel sorry for you kiwis we have Gareth Thomas as our resident hyperactive nut job you have Wilson
@donbrashsux Жыл бұрын
Goldie would be right at home on the NZRU board
@daggylmcgra9653 Жыл бұрын
@@donbrashsux ;. He'll never get there now. Not after having a media role + showing the world his shortcomings.
@kevinpillay6103 Жыл бұрын
Wilson is a real salty character. Winning is not about always banging away at an opponents try line and scoring tries . And no credit to Pumas. The coaching staff made huge errors in their changes that were made. ABs overall are now easy to play against as they can't handle any pressure in-game. Expect furher record losses to teams they never lose too.
@dylerturden8018 Жыл бұрын
Hes fucking clueless, always has been, starting to border on delusional. I'm glad Kirwins dragging him back from planet mars
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
@@holyliable5829 At least JK will admit he was a bad coach, and I am also tired of this bleating online at anyone who is critical of Foster as bring a sore loser and other teams have to go through it, and you know what? Other tier one teams and media are Critical of their coaches when they have losing streaks as well. Now personal attacks and death threats are not on, but there is nothing wrong with being critical of people who do not live up to expectations in high profile jobs, the world is getting too thin skinned, its a not a right to coach an international team.
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
Goldie is so far up the NZRFUs backside he can hardly breathe
@pauljones8801 Жыл бұрын
@@MusMasi You can't keep blaming the coach, MAN UP, that's the easy out, the buck has to stop at the players at some point or ruther. Put some new blood up there who will be chewing at the bit to prove themselves, what have they got to loose, Too many comfortable players with big heads sitting pretty, lets have some change in the positions first and see how that goes, plus that will also fire up the players who have got to comfortable, THEN look at the coach, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
@thoughtfulprofessor4198 Жыл бұрын
Is Wilson mad? JK was absolutely spot on.
@Mojo-IRE Жыл бұрын
Wilson says they played no rugby as an excuse. You play to your strengths. How could you honestly fault Argentina?
@StaalBurgher0 Жыл бұрын
Very easily as has been proven by many media outlets over many years 🤣
@mark-ish Жыл бұрын
@@StaalBurgher0 so easily you fail to even try.
@npd6225 Жыл бұрын
As an Aussie, I actually love that you Kiwis don’t blame the Refs. The South African supporters are the biggest cry babies I’ve ever seen…. They’ve even got a dedicated KZfaq channel to cry about referee decisions 😂. The all blacks will be back ….
@kevinpillay6103 Жыл бұрын
I'm South African and yes it's dreadful too see how we only blame refs when we lose. It deflects from the bad coaching that we have as well.
@npd6225 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinpillay6103 I respect that bro. Fast start by the Aussies, rattled you guys a bit but could’ve been negated if Pollard kicks those 2 penalties. Score would’ve been 7-9 to the Boks. Changes the game completely.
@albertkotze8974 Жыл бұрын
but the refs do make shitty calld, no? and not just for the Boks, even for the ABs... so why should ANYBODY take shitty reffing?
@guyhmajor Жыл бұрын
As a Pom I’am just glad the Wallabies beat the Bok’s. It makes for a really open World Cup. With the French holding the top spot in the current world rankings anything is possible, as good as they are I don’t see their temperament holding out all the way to a World Cup final win.
@doppies2000 Жыл бұрын
I blame our Coach, our Selection, and ultimately the Players ! however, that doesn't distracts from the fact that the Refereeing is at times shambolic ! it needs addressing !
@justinm5972 Жыл бұрын
As a massive positive, what a great series of rugby we have had and incredible games. Good standards from all teams and its bringing fans back to rugby here in Aus. Full stadium next weekend in Sydney hasnt been done in a long time! NZ will be back!
@jonas416si Жыл бұрын
Games and tournaments without a certain outcome. Nothing can be more healthier for the sport than that!
@leswilton4234 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. I am a passionate Springbok supporter. But, I will say that Australia were the better team last Saturday. The Springboks were terrible. New Zealanders seem to be slating their team. Has it ever dawned upon them that other teams have vastly improved. That means Rugby is now much more competitive - which is a very good thing. The All Black will have to get accustomed to losing some matches. I still maintain that the All Black are an excellent team. Don't always blame the coach or the ref when your team loses. Teams now have to earn their wins, not just pitch up to play the game.
@andyhunter5869 Жыл бұрын
@@leswilton4234 New Zealanders are bad losers because for over a century they haven’t really lost all that much. Fans don’t understand the bigger picture, they’re only interested in right here right now domination in every game. I agree, it’s better for the sport that teams are competitive and games aren’t decided before kickoff, but the isolated and insignificant kiwi fans can’t see that as a positive. Go the wallabies and go the argies, love from a kiwi 🥝
@justinm5972 Жыл бұрын
@@leswilton4234 My partner and her family are all from JoBerg so I was pretty happy with that aussie win lol! Yep a great series I like the format think they have got it right. Loving it!
@dsartain3404 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@jono4000 Жыл бұрын
Argentina won without playing rugby according to Jeff... smh. The truth is this AB's squad can't handle pressure. JK hit it right on the head. There's a massive difference between process and preparation.
@floydkingi4364 Жыл бұрын
You could argue NZ are losing because they don't play rugby, Scrums, Physicality at the breakdown, mauling and solid defence are a big part of Rugby
@theruckinmaul1460 Жыл бұрын
Well I think that is even worst fact for the ABs, when the opposition can win against you with you playing good and they playing badly is never a sign of a great team. Back in the Robbie Deans Wallabies era, the Wallabies always play good footy but always lost to NZ eventhough they boasted all the stats, possession, territory, 22 entry, the fact that they can't defend on their own 22 and always gave the opposition kickable penalties are what cost them the win. A bad win is always better than a good lost.
@rianovolmink9621 Жыл бұрын
@@floydkingi4364 to be honest the scrums and linouts has improved .. What i have a problem with is .. When was the last time u have seen us having 10+ phases in a game more then 3 times ?
@MickJaggerr1 Жыл бұрын
Bok fan here, the Abs loss made me feel a bit better about our loss to the Aussies 😅
@alwynmalan1 Жыл бұрын
But even worse about our loss to the All Blacks 🤣
@jameslast7555 Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha fair enough 😄
@Gilescowdemdem Жыл бұрын
My favourite part about criticising the Argentina try as being from kick off is that the ABs try was from a maul and from an error in the line out from Argentina...not exactly formidable attack from the ABs either.
@Trajan2401 Жыл бұрын
Not often the side that scores more tries loses Argentina can thank the useless blow the whistle all day Georgian ref.
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
@@Trajan2401 Still hanging that head in shame lol.
@dkstewy Жыл бұрын
@@Trajan2401 Don Clarke??
@Trajan2401 Жыл бұрын
@@dkstewy ,bad comparison the ABs still scored more tries than the opposition when he was playing most of the time
@jonas416si Жыл бұрын
@@Trajan2401 Not used to ABs not being free to go with anything but murder on field huh? Fans of the team of McCheat complaining about refs. That is a new.
@gysdewet6060 Жыл бұрын
They are taking away from the fact that Argentina played amazing Rugby. Definitely the best team in the tournament so far. South Africa is in the same boat. We play one good game loose the next no consistency. Also no game plan playing the wrong players
@shiozza Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson was JK wasn't though he wasn't having any of it giving them full credit
@bertgoat Жыл бұрын
they played very little rugby, just waited for fosters imposters to implode
@vernonviz Жыл бұрын
Argentina were brilliant, getting pissed off with the AB's were shit routine, give Argentina their credit. After all isn't this what was wanted, a decent competition. The end of the day the sun sets. Go Los Pumas
@MA-ik7ys Жыл бұрын
give it up made you dont need to harp on about the other teams. Merely a few years back we were the brilliant ones and everyone is rightly pissed off that the entire abs legacy is getting ruined game after average game. No one is suggesting the other teams are playing badly, it is simply we cannot change how other teams play so we expect to elevate our own play. We are rightly focussing on ourselves. It does not detract from the other teams. We just are getting a little sick of the abs effort. It is possible in a game to have two teams play well and at present we arent seeing our team do that.
@emilianoabal1257 Жыл бұрын
exactly
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
@@MA-ik7ys I am sure if the Argentina's win loss record was 25% and they where critical of their coaches New Zealanders would not be on their case, but it seems no matter what you do, win or lose everyone hates on the NZ supporters. And of course every other teams supporters are going to defend Foster as he is one of the best things to ever happen to them
@MA-ik7ys Жыл бұрын
@@MusMasi agreed
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
@@MA-ik7ys Honestly I use to feel sorry for South Africa because they have had some bad coaches over the years, yes its nice to beat them but it might be arrogant but I would prefer to beat them at their best.
@expat74 Жыл бұрын
Thing about Argentina is they can play attacking rugby too. Ball in hand they can be slick but were to inconsistent. We (ABs)suck at the moment but happy to see the Pumas get up and really hope they become a powerhouse.
@tayikolla6205 Жыл бұрын
For the first time we had a fair referee. AB never needed them though but against other teams the referee was the main obstacle for Argentina
@paulrutherford5087 Жыл бұрын
Argentina are no slouches won a series against Scotland and Australia. Against Australia they were on fire and they rained tried.
@GabrielFossaRobecchi Жыл бұрын
@@tayikolla6205 It's true what you say, the main adversary of the Pumas, are the British referees. They always tilt the court and do not charge equally. That's why I say, the Pumas won on their own merit, and they didn't tilt the court this time. Now comes the second test, with a British referee, we lose for sure.
@christianellis3651 Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson is the embodiment of rugby delusionality. JK the embodiment of intelligent realism.
@el33462 Жыл бұрын
As an Argentinian fan and with all the respect I have for New Zealand rugby, the seventh ranked team in the world simply beat the fifth ranked team in the world, and that is really possible, in this as in any other sport.
@paulrichards6894 Жыл бұрын
how big is rugby in your country....is it miles behind football in popularity??
@paulrichards6894 Жыл бұрын
i am welsh but i always find myself cheering for the pumas
@el33462 Жыл бұрын
@@paulrichards6894 Hi Paul. Yes. Rugby here in Argentina is below soccer, motorsports, basketball, volleyball. But even so, in Argentina between 100,000 and 200,000 federated players practice rugby in all divisions (children, minors, youth and seniors). And every Pumas game is in a stadium full of people. Let us remember that in Argentina we are approximately 50 million people. And most of them very passionate people.
@premiumlawns2526 Жыл бұрын
Honestly as a nz kid born in the 90s I’ve always wondered who gave the Argentinians a rugby ball. True dark horse of world rugby…remember 07 against France??
@aidankearney493 Жыл бұрын
"Goldie locks" is lost in his own fantasy island ,Kirwan makes so much sense.
@janniemeyer9951 Жыл бұрын
Sir JK is the wise owl. The AB’s are in trouble, as are the Boks.
@drisszyani3497 Жыл бұрын
The NZRU has total responsibility with mediocre people and they kept the worst coach in the history.
@kistingatuhyxz2634 Жыл бұрын
The ABs need a new coach n captain fullstop....papalii plz no7 BOOM
@hhgg28 Жыл бұрын
Give some credit to Los Pumas, we did not play the best match, and yet we won. An amazing defense, a very wise use of the kick, and better discipline. And, may I say, much more will to win. It seems to be that the ABs under pressure loose discipline, don't blame no one but yourselves. Argentina kick the ABs lack of control and turn it into points. Facts. Anyway Los Pumas have to improve a lot of things for next one, but we are in a learning process with new coach, getting better every match.
@shanemorrison1977 Жыл бұрын
Shock that's a stretch,anyone who has followed rugby for more than 5 mins knows this is the new normal, NZ should be proud that it has helped other nations improve it's style of positive open attacking rugby.its beautiful too see competitive games.its not weather you win or lose its how you play the game Thanks ABs for that!!!
@jaytee7275 Жыл бұрын
Mills Muliaina must be feeling so stupid and embarrassed after his predictions the day before the match...🤣
@drisszyani3497 Жыл бұрын
Muliaina and Wilson wanted to see the worst coach in the history continue.
@nicolasgiant3993 Жыл бұрын
Excelente partido LOS PUMAS UNOS GRANDES de Argentina 🥰🥰🥰🥰
@craighjonas8833 Жыл бұрын
Fossie is sitting on 6/8. That's a 25% win ratio.🤦 If Jason and Joe can't turn the tide the All Blacks are going to lose the Bledisloe.🏆 If that happens and Fossie doesn't get sacked, the whole of NZ need to start a riot! 🔥🔥🔥
@harleylyons1889 Жыл бұрын
The side eye from Mills to Goldie at 4:51 sums up Goldie’s response 😂
@rh5466 Жыл бұрын
I like these guys. I'm Canadian, but each of JK, Mils and Jeff were tremendous players that always had me fixated on the TV when I watched them play. They seems really down to earth and cool too. Whenever I watch these Breakdown shows with them, I always feel like I'm there chatting it up with them about a sport we all love -- rugby.
@keatoncollop6964 Жыл бұрын
Definitely not a shock. Argentina is blady good this year
@speak_your_truth. Жыл бұрын
Goldie is in that Egyptian river
@sevmassyn5660 Жыл бұрын
As long as pundits and NZ fans don't humble themselves and realise its not AB's playing bad but other teams playing better.... there's going to be no progress
@camwells9726 Жыл бұрын
It’s both
@usr7941 Жыл бұрын
Yes ab playing bad. You're bad at understanding the game. And no I'm not ab fan.
@camwells9726 Жыл бұрын
@@usr7941 who is bad .?
@foxyfoxyyumyum8511 Жыл бұрын
@@camwells9726 Micheal Jackson
@mark-ish Жыл бұрын
@@camwells9726 you should be more concerned about, who is slow 😅
@Virtues4U Жыл бұрын
I am a huge AB fan since the days of Pinetree Meads. However, Argentina has always been an exciting team who can implode one moment and thrill the next. This is the one team that can beat the All Blacks even when the ABs are at their best. But ... can Argentina go one further and beat the ABs in the 2nd encounter? And, furthermore, win the Championship? That is the million dollar question. Beating the ABs once in a while is fine, but it's time Argentina delivers on the promise they have shown and start going all the way. To win major events/trophies. NZ seems to be battling to replace their former stars who have since retired - which is never easy. Carter, Ben Smith, Nonu, Crockett, McCaw (Legend) Conrad Smith etc won't be replaced overnight. That being said, one thing we can be sure of however: The ABs will be back!
@allin8795 Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson trying his best to make it sound like everything is okay with NZ rugby. As an english fan I'd love Ian Foster to sign a big new contract!
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
At least you admit it, Most are loving Fosters Coaching because it is bad, then calling New Zealanders sore losers for being critical of their coach. Be honest if you had Foster as the England Coach and he had only won 25% of his games this year would you guys not be critical of him and wanting him replaced?
@bodhid Жыл бұрын
@@MusMasi ad an England fan we'd want him replaced with that win record. In his worst season I think EJ won more than 25% of his games. Even a 50% win ratio is poor tbh.
@dkjh23 Жыл бұрын
Talking around in circles Goldie.... You loved to hear your own voice mate! Congrats Pumas well played.
@Leon71414 Жыл бұрын
This is such a great time for rugby, so many teams playing great rugby, northern and southern hemisphere . Rugby needed this.
@usr7941 Жыл бұрын
What's so great about it? All teams are mediocre risk averse with no identity. Even ab. No outstanding tries🥱😴😴😴
@geoerasmus3154 Жыл бұрын
Neither does the Springboks “adapt on the go”. When our 🇿🇦 plan doesn’t work we’re stuffed. Nothing to fall back on, no creativity. All too predictable.
@MrAhuapai Жыл бұрын
The All Blacks seem to have lost the ability to grind a game out. Other teams used to eventually drop the ball or make an error. These days the ABs seem more likely to knock on or make a mistake. Their execution under pressure is poor. When you add the fact they have lost the fear factor with other teams so they play against the ABs with greater self belief than previously. Its all in the top 2 inches at the moment Im afraid.
@usr7941 Жыл бұрын
Ab play like average Sr team. No creativity no unpredictability. Just pass wide, too fast. what has foster done with once the greatest team
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
@@usr7941 They have little to no variation in attack that is for sure, and you can actually see some variation in attack from the better super rugby teams where they can adjust to the other teams defensive systems and how the ref is calling things, *cough* crusaders.
@corny165 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how many NZ'ers either are unable to see or don't want to see something that's painfully obvious... you just have average players mate! A few good ones but too many average ones.
@MrAhuapai Жыл бұрын
@@corny165 ABs fans watch these players in different contexts. When they are not executing skills for the ABs that they see them doing perfectly well for other teams they will question the collective mindset of the team as a whole.
@corny165 Жыл бұрын
@@MrAhuapai You mean at a lower level, in a slower game, under less defensive pressure and against inferior teams?
@officialkingston3209 Жыл бұрын
I wish my country Namibia could get better like Argentina and beat New Zealand at the the rugby world cup🇳🇦🇳🇦
@matiasherrera8264 Жыл бұрын
For sure ! You gonna make it !!! Bro's!!! From Argentina
@mjames131 Жыл бұрын
Keep dreaming lol.
@mauricegarvey4631 Жыл бұрын
The Namibia try v NZ at Wembley was an amazing moment - you could hear the crowd go bananas watching it live
@matiasherrera8264 Жыл бұрын
@@mjames131 ...as we were dreaming too " lol" from Argentina.
@benoitcransac2178 Жыл бұрын
"every game should be your last" is excellent if you have the charisma to say it to your players, Ian.
@Argenswiss Жыл бұрын
JK learnt from the last time he underestimated Argentina, the rest should start paying attention
@Skybar23 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone think that the first test win vs Ireland was a co incident or the fact the team Foster was so far away from the team..
@zommellemmoz3999 Жыл бұрын
I fell your pain - how dare the Pumas win? Whinners
@petelivinlarge Жыл бұрын
Come on Mils ....... Please make another video montage of Sam Cane doing the absolute bare essentials, then tell us these are the reasons he's the captain and how awesome he is at his job
@tenoakiel2155 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations to Argentina. My favourite team outside of the ABs
@ciaranm7900 Жыл бұрын
All irrelevant really they got out played at the end of the day. Argentina definitely the better team on the day. They played the game the pumas wanted them to and fell into their trap and gave them the platforms they needed to stay in the game and win it
@naveenbandarage Жыл бұрын
Jeff Wilson is in Ian Fosters pocket. What is he talking about not judging off 1 game!!
@donallally4892 Жыл бұрын
I think that this result shows that any team you can think of, any tem in Rugby that is, you can have the best team in the world, but you need a really good manager to pull it all together, and Ian Foster is not doing that,
@tuluvota Жыл бұрын
4:51 Mils looking like he didn’t have his usual bowl of cocoa rice before this segment
@mysticproduce705 Жыл бұрын
I can not believe your New Zealanders pundits make so much drama for just some losses …it is crazy …you are still the number one rugby team in the world. Your Rugby history is so great that can not be taken away just for loosing upon good Teams that also make Their efforts to try to win to the all blacks and making so the rugby game more competitive and attractive to the masses. Thanks
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
Correction New Zealand is the number 4 rugby team in the world.
@mysticproduce705 Жыл бұрын
@@MusMasi historically has been always number one team most of the time
@Camcolito Жыл бұрын
@@mysticproduce705 Historically there was more ice in the Arctic.
@mysticproduce705 Жыл бұрын
@@Camcolito 😂😂👍
@Camcolito Жыл бұрын
@@mysticproduce705 ;)
@assassin8or Жыл бұрын
We are blessed enough to living in the golden age of Rugby. There are no more clear favourites. Anyone can beat anyone on the day. This next World Cup is going to be tremendously exciting
@Sean-xl5ge Жыл бұрын
Watching as a neutral...have to give Argentina massive credit but nz played into their hands and got sucked into playing a type of game that doesn't suit them. Have to disagree with Wilson saying arg try came from kick off error. It came from great chase and pressure on receiver. Nz seem to have no plan b when facing a team with quick aggressive line speed
@Seactor Жыл бұрын
You said it Sean! They can't cope with line speed. Ireland showed several times that if you cut the supply to the wings early and have the manpower to front up against them they are average.
@Jul-nf1ds Жыл бұрын
Im from Argentina...respect above all to the All Blacks....when i was a kid...i remember watching NZ training, waitin for Umaga, Lomu...etc they were idols for me at that time.... Nz will get better, and we will see each other next time!
@mdavidom5903 Жыл бұрын
JK making the most sense on the breakdown. How times have changed. It’s actually really exciting for test rugby...anyone can beat anyone else on their day. 🔥🔥🔥
@jaguaresrugbyfans8286 Жыл бұрын
so cool to listen to these guys
@justinstephenson9360 Жыл бұрын
Discipline gave Pumas easy points, time after time after time. How many times were AB penalised for tackling a man without the ball? That is not a complicated penalty to spot. It seems to me that too many ABs were trying to hard to make an impression. It is time for AB to write off this Championship and bring the youngsters in
@alfredstoffels Жыл бұрын
The same with the Irish tests! Penalties penalties penalties!
@huepix Жыл бұрын
Yup Trying to hard. Gotta say seems the ABs are being stifled by some boarder line onsides while being penalised themselves. There have been some well dodgy ref decisions for and against all the sides. The penalty for tackling Cane after he lost the ball was atrocious. As was the shepherding penalty when there was no tackler obstructed and the line out lifters being penalised for, um, something. Everytime the ABs got momentum, the ref would get involved or the opposition feign an injury. Tough gig being a ref, but I wanna see footy, not someone blowing a whistle
@carlbotha1289 Жыл бұрын
south Africa and new Zealand both needs a good clean out! easier to make the team than getting dropped is both teams Achilles heal! dreams about how good a player was years ago doesn't win u games today and here I refer to Steyn!
@aspectlab9310 Жыл бұрын
Goldie's a dreamer man!
@chrisbarlow9921 Жыл бұрын
First and foremost well done Argentina! Secondly, ABs in transition - learn more from the losses than wins. Agree on leadership, composure under pressure, and get the basics right!
@brandoneloff5255 Жыл бұрын
Goldie saying play the territory game and scrum strong.. Thats pretty much Springbok tactics but these pundits all said the boks were killing rugby with this tactics a year ago🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@anthonyslater3374 Жыл бұрын
Got to give it to Argentina they deserved the win but new Zealand will be back there a quality side and I wouldn't want to face them then I'm delighted as an irish man we beat them first time in over 100 yrs in new Zealand
@lukec2226 Жыл бұрын
Argentina had better game management, something we have been lacking for the last 3 or 4 years. They took their chances when the came, and kept the scoreboard moving thanks to our mistakes. We are starting to look like the Wallabies. A 'leadership' team that is too close to the coach and out of ideas, blaming the referee. There is nothing about NZ rugby at the moment that looks like a high performance organisation.
@michaelellard4664 Жыл бұрын
Keeping the Laws of the Game would greatly help.
@kelbatt7729 Жыл бұрын
evenly applied objectivity from match officials would also help
@juanmagg5909 Жыл бұрын
Kiwis have to realize that the rest of Tier 1 rugby teams have finally catch up to them, All Blacks reached a point where they became stagnated and believed they would keep being the best just on raw talent alone. Meanwhile the rest of the world keeps improving and proving the All Blacks they are no longer a Giant between good teams, but a Giant between other Giants.
@jaguaresrugbyfans8286 Жыл бұрын
Georgia beats italy, wales beats SA, ARG beats AUS, AUS beat ARG, ARG beats NZ, France beats Ireland, Ireland beats NZ, Japan almost beats France, Chile beats USA and CAN, Scotland beats England. Let's just be clear. Rugby is getting closer. And I think that is awesome.
@TheOrigamiPeople Жыл бұрын
The show is called the BREAKDOWN .Perfect for showcasing All Black breakdown.
@NathanFlay Жыл бұрын
It breaks my heart to see some fellow kiwis act the way they do about how the all blacks aren't doing that well lately and being rude to other teams and even making the all blacks feel ashamed of the fact that they lost and I'm sorry about it to all other teams that have been in the firing line, I don't want you to think we're bad people we just take pride in our team so much and we're so used to winning that we cant handle losing and we will have to adapt to it in this golden age of rugby. I think we as all black fans shouldn't be bringing them further down in their lows but showing that we support them no matter what. It could be bad coaching, bad game plan or even poor disciplin, but I think we need to uplift them and let them know we aren't pissed off at them for the losses but as fans help them by giving our thoughts on what could be improved and yes maybe the coach could be better at his job but we should stand by our boys no matter what, a real fan would never bring their team down.
@NewMavericks Жыл бұрын
There's subject - process - objective, the last two they train till the cows come home so it's the subject / player's brain coherence in those high pressure moments that is not being developed and protected to be able to execute the process well to reach the objective without make errors and taking opportunities.
@michaelironside8707 Жыл бұрын
sadly and much to the denial of most Kiwis but rugby is no longer "our" sport it seems. Wellington played Norhtland at Jerry Collins Stadium which seats just under 2000 max capacity and I swear there were only about 100 people there. We no longer get behind our boys like we use to and this is across all levels of our game..Kiwis seem more interested in Football, NBA and Figure Skating, the old rough and tumble, get her done days sadly are slowly passing us by..
@malindirugbyfootballclub1180 Жыл бұрын
Funny to watch you guys so wobbly! 🤗 the kick off try was about Aaron smith needing to retire. I just think argentina wanted it more and took their chances.
@tgibso1 Жыл бұрын
Clarke stood off as well - just saying
@hernan5940 Жыл бұрын
NZ was never in control of the game. Jeff Wilson is talking bollocks. Argentina beat them in every aspect
@fabiangroom3228 Жыл бұрын
JK is a wise man. He may not have been successful as a coach but when things didn't work out he did the honourable thing. I think that in his own way he is advising Fozzie to do the same. There is nothing more honourable than admitting your mistakes and resigning for the sake of the greater good.
@floydkingi4364 Жыл бұрын
"I believe we need to be more direct, more physical in the midfield!" Genius Jeff Wilson finally figuring out the obvious!
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
You and goldie are mad. We kept running the ball in hand hoping for a different result for the last 20 minutes, when we should have been kicking, and playing territory
@markdunkerton7245 Жыл бұрын
A year out from Web Ellis cup, building is giving playing combinations time together. The bench should now be training and playing as impact players. the time to experiment is the two years after world cup. that doesn't mean ignore the bolters that shine each season. But unless they have the X factor on defence as well as attack, they too are bench players. I believe we need to bring back full tours, midweek games are the perfect time to blood new players mixed with the bench guys. Also now that the top six teams are capable of beating each other on their day. And the next 6 teams rank 7-12 are capable of an upset over rank1 - 6. On a rank 1-6 bad day like we did in the McCaw era. we don't have the luxury of carrying defence no shows and jersey pullers. No matter how good their attack is.
@Markthespark1970 Жыл бұрын
AB's need to put the same passion and energy that they put into the Haka on the field of play.
@GabrielFossaRobecchi Жыл бұрын
Richie McCaw, towards 100 penalties, and was charged 3. The All Blacks always take more penalties than anyone, but they are charged to the opponent. I'm tired of seeing how they don't see penalties, forward passes, and they never charge anything. And when there is a ruck, they always hinder the exits, ALWAYS.
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
Richie McCaw was only penalised 3 times, have you ever watched him play. You're mad
@GabrielFossaRobecchi Жыл бұрын
@@joedennehy386 Dear, is a way of saying. Richie McCow, is a great, an iconic player, of course I saw him play, I admire him. But always Richie, he took a lot of penalties, but he didn't get penalized in all of them. That's what I mean, he was always on edge. It is that you They are used to watching matches in which they play and most of them are from the commonwealth, so the referees dispense justice well. But when they play against the Pumas, we always have to pay the floor fee. Until now. Greetings.
@MultiAmbivalent Жыл бұрын
From an Australian, don't be so hard on yourselves NZers. This is what the rest of us go through all the time lol. It was also only going to be a matter of time before other countries caught up and started to believe the ABs can be beaten. I'm amazed the dominance lasted as long as it has.
@kelbatt7729 Жыл бұрын
ABS resurgence will occur in 24 after the dreadful 23 RWC and the great cleanout
@Kariraa Жыл бұрын
People who watch the ABs closly know what the problem is and it is exactly what JK is talking about. Players are in there on reputation and not in there on form. Barrett is not the second best lock, Cane is not the best 7, Smith is not the best 9, Jordie was the best 12 in Super Rugby and Jordan was the best FB...and that is just the start. Play the best players in their best position - what is so hard about doing that?! The ABs need more players who bend the line on attack to disrupt good defence. Fuck just give me the job 😂🤦🏾♂️
@MusMasi Жыл бұрын
look at the hookers as well, Finally the best guy is starting but the veterans they have behind him kind of well are not playing the best, they should of blooded more hookers over the last couple of years, coles has been one of the best at the position but that was years ago for example.
@nathanrota4555 Жыл бұрын
Il be assistant 😆 lol
@Kariraa Жыл бұрын
@@nathanrota4555 Hired bro! Do we need a third its usually the way 😂
@clivemarsden5655 Жыл бұрын
Spot on. Jordan must feel like a little kid out on the wing in the rain, waiting for a ball that's never coming. That centre pairing doesn't work, period. Havili never a 12 and Reiko never ever a 13. Lumpy ride ahead
@Kariraa Жыл бұрын
@@clivemarsden5655 just imagine losing the Bledisloe as well Clive! 😬
@irishgooner6253 Жыл бұрын
Wilson says their try was off a kick off error.pretty sure the all blacks scored a try off a pumas lineout error.always about what the all blacks gave the opposition but never the other way round.
@kylelouer4323 Жыл бұрын
And Caleb does run the ball hard, but has given up a try each game he’s scored one this season. So don’t say he’s the most physical player when ardie is clearly the most physical
@usr7941 Жыл бұрын
They say Caleb is fast but I've yet to see it
@imafrican23 Жыл бұрын
True. Caleb is a liability on defence. I remember how Am and Kurt-Lee Arendse got around him easily when he played the boks. I can't comment on Argentina game cos I only watched the highlights.
@dhirshg Жыл бұрын
Loving JK going up against Jeff! Great objectivity.
@bazzybadboy7160 Жыл бұрын
J K is right we lost and we lost badly we went there to play the game Argentina went there to win the game and they did!
@peterclark6290 Жыл бұрын
On-field leadership is the key to Rugby. Reacting cleverly, positively and accurately to the opposition's initial emphases (game plan?). However the pressure from has-beens, instant experts, traditions, etc. weigh down on the thinking processes within the team _on the field_ because you know Kiwis and Aussies automatically love the underdog, it's in our genes, it is irreducible. We get arrogant and vulnerable when we do not. Any team is beatable; stay in that club. The chattering class should be barred from entry. Jeff, that was a developmental front row from the Argies. 2. Off-loads are the modern/old game (support lines, anticipation, communication, seeing weaknesses, etc.) 3. Holding the ball drains the opposition. Kick less.
@subhuman119 Жыл бұрын
Argentina's win was well deserved. But they won off the back the All Blacks lack of discipline. Call be biased, but they did. Alot of the teams seem to be peaking early, unlike New Zealand and South Africa. Regardless of what Jeff Wilson says, J.K is spot on. Time to bring in younger players, and put the older boys on the side line for a while. Make them find their desire to play in the jersery and earn there spot in the game day 23. People like Sam Cane, Codie Taylor, Sam Whitelock almost expect to be in the team when it's named.
@Severino_Radic Жыл бұрын
Will these guys one day give Argentina some credit? It seems that every NZ loss is more of a NZ problem than an opponent's credit.
@justplainrugby3548 Жыл бұрын
I think there is a big similarity between this NZ team and Coetzee's Bokke. You can see things aren't working and then after a big loss there is a brief resurrgence before everything goes to shit again. Also Argentina were as close to perfect as a test team can possibly be in that second half.
@KelbornXx Жыл бұрын
Its simple. The rest of the class A rugby nations have caught up with the All Blacks! The next decade of Rugby Union should be the most fascinating to watch! Even the World Cup just over a year away is completely open for the first time, any of the big nations can win it!
@Dodiwho1 Жыл бұрын
Nz gave coaching and secrets to these nations in the hope that it would inprove their standards to give the ABs some competition seems they succeeded.
@bootsandall3612 Жыл бұрын
The era of honest skill filled rugby is long gone. The sport of rugby is not controlled by rugby anymore.
@SILVIOV76 Жыл бұрын
If Argentina wins without playing "good rugby" then don't put any excuses when they do still beat you playing "good rugby" I say it with respect. Not to give any credit to Argentina its above many things, a big mistake. We, as a soccer nation, learned that a long time ago. We will beat most of the teams, but we can also loose to anyone. In every sport, the gap between nations is closing.
@zabaleta66 Жыл бұрын
JK is real. Goldie is basically saying the Puma's fluked the win due to our errors....FFS, delusional! But fellas, Cane is NOT the answer at 7 or as the skipper!!
@donallally4892 Жыл бұрын
You also must have a top Out Half, Ireland have, England have it, and Argentina have it as well in Bofelli, roll on Saturday morning, that game will tell a lot about the state of play for New Zealand, if they lose I think Ian Foster will resign
@SDMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Goldie is delusional
@TinTinTubbs Жыл бұрын
Does anyone have the half-time comments?
@rugbyratingz3731 Жыл бұрын
Just sack foster! He is the one choosing Sam cane as the captain! He is the one managing the backs and there is always the same tacticts which never work! When foster goes and get razor we would do better!
@usr7941 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Too much gym not enough heart
@Marcel-xc6ci Жыл бұрын
It wasnt a surprise shock to me. I was expecting us to lose.
@wakaroawaata1586 Жыл бұрын
In money terms I bet the All Blacks have lost millions in marketing value, We're not number one We're number five, yeah that's millions of lost dollars, thanks super coach Foster and top captain Cain, I'm not watching AB rugby any more until these clowns are gone.
@mattobrien7373 Жыл бұрын
Well done Agrentina, Love it when the kiwis fight with each other
@priehowell8825 Жыл бұрын
It's wonderful 😊
@rivenwizz Жыл бұрын
Jeff is salty as he has been defending the ABs the last few weeks and is running out of excuses! There are a number of problems with the ABs but low confidence is such a big problem for them now. Aussies to win the bledisloe? I think they will be favourites
@dominicm255 Жыл бұрын
Low confidence? no, its impossibly high expectations. They have an added psychological pressure, which a team like, Ireland or Argentine don't have when they play the ABs. They're not expected to win...
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