Debunking the Toxic Masculinity Myth: Masculinity is Positive & Society Needs More Of It

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THE PANEL:
Dr. John Barry: chartered psychologist, honorary lecturer with the Department of Psychology at University College London (UCL), member of the British Psychological Society (BPS), founder of the Male Psychology Network and the Gender Equity Network. In addition, he is a campaigner for the creation of a Male Psychology Section of the BPS, author of over 40 publications in peer-reviewed journals, a clinical hypnotherapist and Director of Research for the Male Psychology Network.
Belinda Brown: Journalist who writes for the Daily Mail and Conservative Woman on gender issues and feminism.
Martin Daubney: Best known as a Member of the European Parliament for the Brexit Party, Martin Daubney is also co-founder of the "Men & Boys Coalition" and was also a long-time editor of lad's mag "Loaded" magazine.
Rafe Heydel-Mankoo of the New Culture Forum, historian & broadcaster.
On #NCFCounterCulture this week, our panel discuss the myth of Toxic Masculinity and highly questionable statements on the "harmfulness" of "traditional masculinity" by gender studies academics as well as the American Psychological Association.
Questions addressed:
Are men under attack?
Is there a gender pay gap?
Why are white working-class males the most disadvantaged group in the United Kingdom?
Why do men account for 3/4 of suicides? And why is suicide the leading cause of death for males under the age of 50?
The panel argue that it is a LACK of masculinity that is the problem facing society today. (Such as fatherless families)
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@Antipodean33 4 жыл бұрын

I was only contemplating my white privilege the other day when my 57 year old aching body was laying bricks here in Australia, on a 44 degree day with a humidity that was all encompassing I've had this privilege since age 14

@joannamoore4477 4 жыл бұрын

Antipodean33 , laying bricks in that heat is hard yakka . Good on you for working hard for your family

@KEYUNTISER 4 жыл бұрын

I've been in the building game here in the U.K for 30 years now and have only ever seen one female on site, she was a painter. I think that feminists would be good at scaffolding in minus temperatures, until then, no respect.

@DieFlabbergast 4 жыл бұрын

Well, if you've got no more use for your privilege, can I have some of it?

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

and I am deeply grateful that you do....thank you.....and bless you.

@twentyrothmans7308 4 жыл бұрын

If only you'd taken that degree in Aboriginal Studies.

@veronapaisley6915 4 жыл бұрын

The breakdown of the family unit is the breakdown of society.

@BenjaminEsposti 4 жыл бұрын

Yup! Even 1800's commies knew that. That's about the only thing I agree with.

@timyumichuck9262 4 жыл бұрын

The outsourcing of the family unit is the breakdown of society

@FazeParticles 4 жыл бұрын

society is a collection of families and when you can no longer form stable families then slowly you will stop existing because society is an extension of ones OWN family to a degree.

@timyumichuck9262 4 жыл бұрын

@@FazeParticles The type of family matters. From single mothers to foreign imports with poor mental development, bad genetics and an incompatible culture as a result.

@ej.crusing6130 4 жыл бұрын

Player 1 far left’s policy I would say.

@jahkope 4 жыл бұрын

If all "toxic" men went on strike everything would come to a stop in less than a week.

@ManInTheBigHat 4 жыл бұрын

Less than two days.

@jacksonfilm 4 жыл бұрын

Probably less then 5 seconds

@kkenny70 4 жыл бұрын

Actually there's been a study which reckons that if all men stopped working for 3 days, it is estimated that it would take approximately 3 years to clean up the mess.

@simonc6328 4 жыл бұрын

Search "feminist snow plowing"

@SvendleBerries 4 жыл бұрын

@@simonc6328 Isnt that from Sweden? When the Feminist leaders in their infinite wisdom felt it more important to clear the sidewalks in the park before the main roads? And then everything went to shit because nobody could get to work? lol That was a good laugh when I first read that.

@buttonbrite6198 4 жыл бұрын

I found it insulting when I was offered an "easier route" because I was a woman. I found it irritably patronizing every single time it happened. I cannot even fathom victim mentality...much less the victimhood Olympics that is intersectional feminism.

@olliefoxx7165 4 жыл бұрын

Well, you're a rare one. Ive seen the double standard for decades. Women being given easier standards for the same job and in some cases more pay. That only makes everyone around them look at them as if they couldn't cut it and clearly arent as good.

@olliefoxx7165 4 жыл бұрын

You're a rare one. Ive seen this double standard from the shop floor to the office for decades. We've had to lighten the qualifications just for them in order to fill our goals from corporate. Not just physical standards but the analyst jobs as well. They get half the work load, spend more time off and still complain. We suck it up and help them meet their goals. The men dont get this help. We can't afford to have a man not be able to carry the loads. It's life but I'll tell you Is never want a female doctor. If we do this for them, how good are they at being a doctor?

@OliverWoodphotography 4 жыл бұрын

That is right. I remember back in the no so far off good old days of peak adjustment (as I call it) in the 90s when we were all comfortable with one another and had Ladets. A new breed of young women that were comfortable with them selves and fully empathic with masculinity, great mates to their male colleagues and well liked in return. Very different from the Uber annoying histrionic cry bullies of the woke generation.

@andylewis7360 4 жыл бұрын

The tyranny of low expectations.

@motomaggs7164 4 жыл бұрын

Listened to this episode whilst exercising my patriarchal toxic masculinity by doing DIY, as my wife went off to a yoga class.

@margaretratcliffe5465 4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Day afraid it is the opposite way round in my house.

@leoniewebb7810 4 жыл бұрын

She's a lucky girl, hope she appreciates you 😊

@ryanworkbox 4 жыл бұрын

Real people talking about real things. So refreshing.

@ZL54JK8 4 жыл бұрын

I suppose we all have a different outlook on things. My experience leads me to say that the ordinary everyday people I meet as I go about my business don't pay any heed whatever to this nonsense termed "toxic masculinity". I don't believe I have ever heard the term mentioned outwith the realm of the ardent feminists and discussion groups such as this one, that I would have to say I don't find in the least refreshing.

@sunnyjim1355 4 жыл бұрын

@@ZL54JK8 Just because you don't hear such 'terms' expressed in common parlance doesn't mean that the ideas they define aren't in public life to every degree, because they ARE.

@ZL54JK8 4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnyjim1355 You are of course entitled to your own opinions, and I'm afraid that is all that this matter can be reduced to. The term "toxic masculinity" is a weapon used by vituperative feminists to berate and denigrate men. Certainly the word "masculinity" has general conceptual viability, but "toxic" has only some meagre metaphorical applicability in the context in which it is used here, and apart from that the word is now widely overused to the point where it is has become no more than a verbal tic. I alluded to this non-subject earlier as "nonsense", but I should say that some of ideas arising from the notion are within the scope of serious sociological investigation where it would not be a matter of bandying the banalities of the feminists who push it. So to that limited extent I would accept the last few words of your comment, but I have really no interest in discussing the matter further. On the basis of your moniker here, I'm sure we could have a much more fruitful exchange on Neil Munro and activities on board the "The Vital Spark".

@chelebeaqueen 4 жыл бұрын

concider yourself patted by you on yourd back. boob

@irebrain 4 жыл бұрын

As a west Indian I confess feminism has completely destroyed black families it's an open secrets blackmen live with an absolute tragedy.

@hedgefundphil 4 жыл бұрын

Try to point that out and you are called "racist"

@davids7627 4 жыл бұрын

Explain how feminism has "... completely destroyed" black families, produce evidence.

@irebrain 4 жыл бұрын

@@davids7627 observable reality show us all, in London how many strong black men vs strong black women saying that. Almost all cases of youths violence from single black women. How many black women now believe divorce is normal nothing wrong. Plenty black women now supporting same sex business. How many black couples you see around. Am sure other people see more.

@irebrain 4 жыл бұрын

Main defence against government is the family unit that in time becomes a nation. ie royal family your family if you have 1 and my family and every other. Comprende!

@davids7627 4 жыл бұрын

@@irebrain That's not evidence, that's your opinion based on your vague concept of 'observable reality'. Facts, Statistics, where are they? Where are your facts and statistics to back up your claim that almost all cases of youth violence are from single black women? What about black men, indeed ALL ethnicities of men who are unfaithful, violent, or abandon their families?

@kesfitzgerald1084 4 жыл бұрын

To quote Camille Paglia, "If it wasn't for men, we would still be living in caves".

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

@Kirk Lazarus hahaha.....

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

@Kirk Lazarus oh right! thanks....

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

@Aloaf Ov'Bread lol

@brmh1667 4 жыл бұрын

True, but we'd have lovely flowery quilts!

@mbmann3892 4 жыл бұрын

She also has my favorite quote ”Theirs no Female Jack the Ripper, because theirs no Female Einstein.”

@greyandblue4323 4 жыл бұрын

Women, whether they care to admit it or not, look for masculinity in their partners....as nature intends.

@bordebomb6631 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, and that's just the lesbians.

@tonycatman 4 жыл бұрын

Every lesbian activist and equal rights campaigner secretly only gets turned on by chads.

@MrKFNeverGiveUp 4 жыл бұрын

Feminist: Complains about the oppression of the darkness. Man: Changes the light bulb. Feminist: It's too bright now. Man: Finds tall bridge and jumps.

@kevintyrrell9559 4 жыл бұрын

This actually encapsulates the entire differentiation of communication between the sexes. Women complain because they do. They want to. They want to vent and are usually happiest when they are and somebody is agreeing with them. Never...ever...ever make the mistake of actually doing something about the complaint, or even thinking that she wants you to. She doesnt. And it won't make her happy. Venting will. But its just stupid venting for ventings sake. The governments and institutions of the western world have made the mistake of actually thinking they have to go do something or put out the message so the wamen will be happy and finally shut up. Morons. And that is the end point for these institutions. To have women happy, content and not giving out. It's almost laughable. That is not how you make any woman happy. They just get used to having all they want and the added advantage of still being able to complain. Any man who even sort of understands women knows this. Let them rant...pretend to listen, nod and occasionally agree, and continue to watch the footy out of the corner of your eye. But never, ever, ever, EVERRRRRR...make the mistake of doing sonething or even thinking that she wants you to do something. She doesn't and its the worst thing to do for you both. She wants to vent. Needs to vent. You want her to be happy, stable and content and not vent. Even when she is all of these things she still needs to vent to be happy. So...DO NOTHING.

@garou136 4 жыл бұрын

😁

@kevintyrrell9559 4 жыл бұрын

@El Flamboyanto well in fairness it was the very first thing my wife ever said to me following one of the first arguments we had. In fairness it was the key to figuring out what she wanted and also to take all her giving out with a huge serving of salt. And she told me...dont rise to it. Ignore it and just listen. Happily married for years on the back of this advice...from my wife herself.

@kevintyrrell9559 4 жыл бұрын

@El Flamboyanto well that is part of why I asked her to marry me. She hates the game playing and the manipulation. She knows who she is and how she acts and sometimes she can't help it but I know it too. She will actually fully admit to the fact that women can be and are quite juvinile in their tendencies and aren't half as emotionally intelligent as they and everyone else seems to make out they are. She actually admires my stoicism and the fact that I can maintain control in a stressful situation. I learned that as a kid and it serves me well...girls don't ever learn that and as a result are left with the ingrained function to rant about anything that bothers them. She actually wishes she could be more stoic and she is actually getting better at not letting things get to her. Mostly because she sees how I do it and she admires the hell out of me for being that example. She wishes more girls would be shown how to be more stoic and not so loose with emotions. She believes that is the root to emotional stability and emotional intelligence. The pity is most women aren't mature enough to admit any of that. Hence...why I love her to death. 😀

@kevintyrrell9559 4 жыл бұрын

@Trouble Came Calling Luckily I don't need you or anyone else to confirm her existence...or how wonderful a person she is. So believe what you want...it doesn't make my life or my wife any less real or lovely 😊

@stuartofblyth 4 жыл бұрын

Peter Whittle posed the most penetrating question - what are they trying to achieve? What will victory for them look like? It's easy enough to tear down and destroy, but what will you erect instead? The question is pertinent under any and all circumstances where change is being sought.

@conradblackii 4 жыл бұрын

Trans humanism and automation. Once the natural barriers between the genders are ignored and stepped on, then humans can be ignored as well.

@peplyttelton8585 4 жыл бұрын

We need more common sense videos like this to be everywhere, to try to combat the nonsense videos, which there are far too many of.

@smurfettefreedom2650 4 жыл бұрын

This conversation makes me feel so sad, almost tearful. My dad worked 7 days each week (doing 3 jobs) when we were younger to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. There was nothing toxic about him, he was our protector and the rare times he had a night out, I would drop everything as a teenager to drive him there and pick him up. Likewise I will never forget the millions of non-toxic men who gave their lives to protect their country, their women and their children. I am devastated by the evil state of our country today and I feel sad for people who will never understand the beauty of the logical, factual, evidence based society that some of us grew up in, all destroyed, because of an ideology.

@ChelseaSW6 4 жыл бұрын

Just an excellent programme is this and why is it so ... because it’s telling the truth unlike mainstream and it’s refreshing

@DeeJay2715 4 жыл бұрын

Hit the nail right on the head!

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

This episode could have gone on for much longer for me!!! So refreshing.....thank you! :-)

@hansiesma16 4 жыл бұрын

Loaded was at the forefront of 90's lad culture and its pursuit of promoting life, liberty and shit loads of sex is probably what contributed to the term masculine toxicity in the first place. Dr John Barry and Rafe are worth listening to.

@ullscarf 4 жыл бұрын

It was at the forefront of NEW lad culture, which was basically saying it was OK for middle class men to be into football. (Now that all those rough working class men have been brought under control)

@jamesblack8173 4 жыл бұрын

Belinda really actually had a point about the service economy. Mobilising women into the workforce overshadowed policy on getting men into alernative jobs.

@andylewis7360 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Thatcher was having so much fun pissing on the unions, not to mention all the men in her cabinet, that she forgot that the union members were also taxpayers!

@michael63307 4 жыл бұрын

"If there is a war on men, what would victory look like?" Great question! Glad he kept asking it, as the panel didn't seem to hear it the first 2 times.

@p00kaah 4 жыл бұрын

I'm in my 60s and used to consider myself a feminist because I believed in same pay for same work when that was not the case. I have been married for 35 years, I am not a mother (my choice) and I have not felt myself oppressed ever. I feel outraged at what feminism has become. I was a tomboy when it wasn't considered blasphemy to be one. I never thought I was a male in a girl's body but I wonder if adult persuasion would have made me make a huge mistake if I was born 50 years later. As a teen and an adult, I was flattered by wolf whistles, charmed by males opening the door for me but quite capable of delivering a slap to the face of a groper or delivering a choice rejoinder to a cheeky suggestion. All this is part of being socialised. I have always been a bit of a joker and I'm sad to see the joy going out of the world.

@demonshelby1311 4 жыл бұрын

Yes please let the masculinity flow (in my direction) I'm done with the soyboy image

@roby72s 4 жыл бұрын

My God so true. They are rather bland.

@kesfitzgerald1084 4 жыл бұрын

I must add, this was a excellent conversation. I hope you revisit the subject. As someone that runs a factory with predominance of working (and often non-working) class males, this is a subject dear to my heart. Invariably when I am asked what the factory makes, very often my response is, "men".

@CrystalJ7 4 жыл бұрын

good for you! :-)

@flat5sharp11 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent episode! Best so far. Needed to be longer.

@richardhumphreys8662 4 жыл бұрын

Another great discussion. Thank you.

@betamax80 4 жыл бұрын

Thank heavens. My thinking is not incorrect.

@saxoncelt9823 4 жыл бұрын

An extremely interesting discussion. I am truly elated to hear points of view that are never allowed to be aired on mainstream media spoken about. The silent majority of our country must be heard.

@saxoncelt9823 4 жыл бұрын

Trouble Came Calling Dito for you too!

@russellward4624 4 жыл бұрын

Women enjoy sport too.

@CommunicationandConflict 4 жыл бұрын

Great point at 35.50s re men 'falling out'....watch football matches on tv. Two players may have a big fall out on pitch but check out the half time or full time whistle, they will make a point of seeking each other out to apologise or talk it through. Well, unless you were Roy Keane :-)

@willwilderbeast4035 4 жыл бұрын

excellent discussion. banter and humour vital in our discourse, which has been eroded by political correctness

@adamburgess8511 4 жыл бұрын

It's hard work mentioning these arguments in conversation as friends and colleges are so leftist and woke, they've forgotten or simply hate what we've achieved, our ancestor's, and the teaching's and idea's that have brought us here.

@pwjackson888 4 жыл бұрын

Place a large screen TV in all woke universities across the anglosphere and put this on repeat play at a loud volume!

@JJHurst 4 жыл бұрын

White working class lad here...this has been going on for 40+ years in schools, both my primary and secondary school had positive action programs for ethnic minorities and girls, white boys were already falling behind and this has been compounded by this Marxist social engineering. Academe has been either complicit ( at policy and curriculum creation levels) or useful idiots in the field ( teachers, lecturers and professors) I said 20 years ago that the result of this would be weak disenfranchised “ Men” and as a result a weakening of western culture and its sense of identity . A backlash is coming, and not a moment to soon....

@aydnofastro-action1788 4 жыл бұрын

My father was so toxic that he worked so hard for his wife and four sons that’s he died of a heart attack when I was fourteen. Yet he left us all with a very nice home. And some economic standing And my mother is still living in that house. never really had to work. We owe his “toxic masculinity” a hell of a lot. R. I. P.

@valcaineaux7549 4 жыл бұрын

Very good discussion. I do think that the lack of jobs requiring manual strength plays into a loss of purpose for many working class lads, which leads to them not 'growing up'. In the farming community boys attributes are required and the lads have an embedded sense of value and self worth. Women/girls are often frustrated by infantile men who don't want to stop playing their X-Box and take up their responsibilities, which creates a vicious circle.

@cooljool1 3 жыл бұрын

we have no responsibilities towards women/girls.

@valcaineaux7549 3 жыл бұрын

@@cooljool1 I think we have responsibilities to society and to each other.

@martinrobinson9852 4 жыл бұрын

Another great discussion. Thanks!! I think the Belinda's early point about Maggie Thatcher was well made and worthy of a lot more discussion. The wholescale destruction of heavy industry took away working men's opportunity to build respect. Was this the action of a (feminist) woman who had a deep seated lack of regard for men? Remember her expression, "Every Prime Minister needs a little Willy? Seems less than respecting of men. Certainly her (feminist) action to close down whole industries has been hugely destructive. Maybe as one of the guests said, Martin I think, it's the feminist women who are toxic?

@pigknickers2975 4 жыл бұрын

I was fascinated by this part as I'd never considered it before. I used to think Thatcher was attacking the working classes motivated by class hatred but it didn't ever make real sense to me. Now I wonder if it wasn't gender-warfare that lead to her unnecessarily harsh actions against working men in the 80s.

@lyscdk9788 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent show! I am a lady who’s sick and tired of female chauvinism!

@thanos43infinity 4 жыл бұрын

Such a much warranted breath of fresh air of reasoning. This channel is great! Thanks Peter.

@woke2woke153 4 жыл бұрын

We need this discussion. Thank you very much. Important observations. Accurate insights.

@OldButtNotDead 4 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic discussion - I hope it spreads far and wide; it needs to be heard.

@shaunpaulwallace 4 жыл бұрын

Bloody marvellous you guys :) Thank you all.

@jackdlamb 4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear that people are actually talking about it

@meganneale2074 4 жыл бұрын

Really excellent guests and conversation. Important points considered in this discussion. Thank you.

@shaykearney4638 4 жыл бұрын

Great show. Love your panel. Thank you for your great work. Respect from Ireland🍀💕👍🌟🍻

@nickjung7394 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion, as usual, very well conducted. Thank you Peter.

@catmandudes7949 4 жыл бұрын

It was my mother that was toxic when I was growing up, if I was naughty she would say wait until your father gets home, that made me become good very quickly, my father was not toxic he was the equilibrium.

@healingescape3319 4 жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic discussion. We need this area of topic to be spread out wide and far 💚

@Jack-hy1zq 4 жыл бұрын

great video. so refreshing to see 'toxic masculinity' demolished in one sitting. thank you so much😊

@moved2bitchute779 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, love this channel!! Great discussions. Knowledgeable guests. Great interviewer. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@ryanrizzajones 4 жыл бұрын

So happy to see this being talked about in the UK. Gives me some hope.

@adriansherlockdamondark.1094 4 жыл бұрын

The term "toxic masculinity" always sounds like a put down.

@siobhanparker8292 4 жыл бұрын

Great, powerful episode... thank you!

@nancycrayton2738 4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful discussion! Thank you!

@DavidNotSolomon 4 жыл бұрын

I think there are, and were, men broken men over the past 100 years - but that was due largely to their sacrifices in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These men came back damaged, and some of that damage has been passed down through the generations - correcting that damage should be job of society, whilst recognising its source. The demonisation of men due to the effects of the above is not helping - and not having fathers at all is making the problems even worse.

@annbrown3037 4 жыл бұрын

Good video ! We need more discussion on this issue. I agree that feminism is one of the biggest culprits for this and other societal problems. When we see women agitating for more representation down the sewers, up telegraph poles, on road/infrastructure creation + maintenance...I might be more willing to listen. Until then...

@paulsteer 4 жыл бұрын

A brilliant conversation. And great question Peter: "what would winning look like?".

@jancuk8881 4 жыл бұрын

What a great conversation, thank you!, around the 16 minute mark you all hit the nail on the head, we are under attack as a society and we really do need to find out who is creating these verbal weapons against men and actually women too as discussed. The think tanks or whoever these people are who are writing the scripts need to stand up and be counted, everyone has had enough. The media doesn't help though, they are used to get the whole thing into the public domain.

@running-man9138 4 жыл бұрын

Great channel 👍

@scdobserver835 4 жыл бұрын

What's with the mic picking up all these breathing sounds? And then the other mics seemed muted to the point the other guests are nigh on whispering?

@neogirl37 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a woman, in total agreement, get rid of the snow flake brigade, a real woman, wants a real man!!! 💪🏽

@tetraquark2402 4 жыл бұрын

We would still be sitting in trees picking fleas of each other if not for masculinity.

@keithchapman1477 4 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed all so true....

@AndyJarman 4 жыл бұрын

Asserting there is a 'mother's' pay gap is niaive. It's an earnings gap, not a pay gap. Motherhood may be part of the reason, but there are dozens of other reasons.

@evabish3634 4 жыл бұрын

Whilst I agree with most of what is said here in that there is an attack on men, I draw on my personal experience in life. I would describe my life as traditional nuclear family life. The father of my children was the main breadwinner and I the main caregiver to my children. My partner a year ago walked out on his family life for another woman, taking his earning power with him and left me to bring up my children on benefits. So, to add to the debate, I believe the reason for this breakdown in the most part was boredom - yes family life is boring! I don’t only direct this at men, I’ve also known women to have left their husbands due to life going stale and boring. There seems to be a wholesale breakdown in society - there is no shame anymore on walking out of your family, temptations of something more exciting in life come along - like travelling, the latest gadgets, porn, and dare I say it, promiscuity etc etc. It’s all too easy to walk away when excitement is there constantly being waved in front of you and it seems there is little consequence to succumbing to your temptations. This is just an observation as I say that I have on my own experiences.

@belindabrown4011 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I think that in the past there was much more of an expectation on the man to stay on and support his family and he would have experienced significant social stigma if he did what your husband did. The system of traditional marriage was set up to support the interests of women and children more than it was to support the interests of men who in some sense had more 'natural' freedom. However feminism came along and destroyed the system of traditional marriage and to some extent male obligation with it. None of which is to say masculinity is toxic. Feminism just destroyed a system which worked relatively well.

@carolwolf9614 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion. Feminism has ruined everything, for both men and women. More on this subject please. Thank you.

@albiondave7312 4 жыл бұрын

just the job for sunday breakfast .....thanks all from a toxic priveliged etc.........

@davesam563 4 жыл бұрын

Same here, just finished a full English with extra black pud and mushrooms.

@karenedonald 4 жыл бұрын

This was great. I'm going to try and reach out to the panel as a documentarian film maker

@thesecretworkshoppropstore7914 4 жыл бұрын

I will never teach my twin boys to be victims, when they fall they suck it up, when someone else falls they will bend the knee. Men are not toxic but I do believe society has become toxic! I hope I can raise my boys to see the error of this and work towards an equal society that holds things like the family unit dear which it is! You know what else i'm going to do that's really radical, I'm going to teach them to be proud of there country. This country needs boys and girls to be proud of their country and work towards dare I say making a Britain Great Britain. It's of huge importance and part of our identity and I for one am fed up of being made to feel guilty of being patriotic.

@kbeetles 4 жыл бұрын

Keep this conversation going! Some masculine strength is needed here.... and some feminine passion!

@royburston8120 4 жыл бұрын

Another great show

@Stafford674 4 жыл бұрын

One thing men can do is to boycott Gilette products. Why buy from a company that hates you?

@gwangi64 4 жыл бұрын

I've bought nothing from P&G since that rancid ad.

@dannymccarthy7440 4 жыл бұрын

I am a father and grandfather I try to live in Ireland. I love my Nation. I love that I am Irish. If I was born in the U.K. I am sure that I would love being British. I was listening too our national broadcasting radio yesterday. I was frightened at what I was listening to. It was suggested by a contributor. That Ireland's government should have a minister for gender. It would make more sense to me if we had a minister for unicorns.

@Laws_on_design 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, I think since women’s role in society has developed, certain groups of men have been left behind. I find dating hard because there is a lack of ‘manly’ men who know how to handle me - a confident assertive female - assertively and respectfully. As a result I’m also starting to act more like a man to fill the void. Crazy.

@cassandras7399 4 жыл бұрын

Agree with you; however, this is exactly the kind of crap that was taught to, and about, women. We are not logical, cannot be trusted etc. we are good for cooking, sewing, sometimes harvesting, and thinking of England Identity politics is crap, in every way. I’d say, reap what you sew, but that’s not fair either, is it?

@thesecheesespleasejesus4238 4 жыл бұрын

I first heard someone speak affectionately about a boy when I was age 19 and it shocked me to the core that it could be possible that a boy could be anything more than a despised family member, a resented child, a hated shoplifter, vandal or a sex object for the teachers, priests, gentleman’s outfitters, riding stable owners and scoutmasters of the town.

@ribsybrown510 4 жыл бұрын

Belinda is a sound woman,she always talks sense.

@christines5430 4 жыл бұрын

I totally miss the wolf whistling that women got when we walked passed building sites in the '80's and 90's. It was so natural, unthreatening and beautifully masculine. Now we are all to pretend that there are no differences between the sexes.

@enigmaticspirit1 4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that no one on the panel understood what the attack on Patriarchy actually is. Patriarchy is not a direct attack on men. Patriarchy is the system that favors men ie:- It is an attack on *Merit*

@myla6135 4 жыл бұрын

Men need to feel responsible for women ( a woman) and children (their children). Without this they can become lost, children become lost and single mothers become overwhelmed. Oh, I wish people could see what is so obvious. Feminists seem not to be able to see that the women that benefit from their silly ideas are the 2% of very highly paid women who want well paying careers and who hand over their children to others. 98% of women don't want this. They have jobs where they mostly do drudge work and aren't necessarily well paid or interesting. Most of those 98% want a good husband! Those 2%, helped by the feminists, are dictating policy because they dominate the elite in London and hence Westminster. FWIW: *therapists are just a waste of time. They seem to have just as many emotional issues as everyone else *Asian children have traditional families, even the modern ones living in the West. It's a key reason why they do well in general * the welfare state doesn't help, sadly * motherhood is no longer considered a wonderful role. Girls are constantly told they need to go out and get wonderful careers. Most won't. Most will end up in dull jobs. As will most men. A great family life could make their lives feel worthwhile.

@onestepcloser5925 4 жыл бұрын

The media plays a huge part in this. 10% of the movies show the Dad actually being a good person.

@nw8000 4 жыл бұрын

WOW! What a top BIRD!

@whirled_peas 4 жыл бұрын

Daubney is absolutely correct at 9:30 - Identity politics is so infectious because one side begets the other. Feminists say all men are evil, so many men, somewhat justifiably, who previously didn't play the identity politics game, jump into it. It takes a concerted effort to maintain your course and not dive into the identity politics game. It's inherent in the pathology of identity politics to prop itself up in this manner, viral in nature. Identity politics main effect on culture is to change how we define "who we are", the mechanics of it. Historically, British and European culture used the idea that who we are is what we did, how we did it and the quality of our decision making. Now it's what we are, which has no value in terms of being a mechanism for self betterment, because what we are can't change. I think, in some lateral manner, this is the root of the transgender movement. I may be reaching there but it seems worth investigating...

@mrblade4371 4 жыл бұрын

Male privilege, except if a couple split up, and the man has to pay loads of cash but doesn't get to see his own children more than once a week.

@sygulli5093 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with Rafe

@stue2298 4 жыл бұрын

Histroically a programme like this would have been on the BBC, a sensible and factual look at today's problems, ending with solutions and conclusions. Great programme keep up the good work.

@BelloBudo007 4 жыл бұрын

Firstly a big thank you for this video & for what the good folk on your panel brought to the table. It really was fantastic and ever so helpful. I noticed Belinda initially having trouble getting in for her say, but after a time (in the sink or swim of it all), she worked out how to get her points across and they really were good points. I think this might be one of those videos that I will watch again just to ensure I got it all.

@trishdoughty1965 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyable conversation, I'm sick to death of all this "woke" rubbish - let's have respect for everyone, including ourselves. The amount of people make themselves feel good by putting others down is growing to almost national sport proportions. People need to start looking at themselves and taking responsibility, it's about working together and all of us using our strengths to make society better.

@Bennett2142 4 жыл бұрын

Why take responsibility for yourself when you can blame men! and then if that fails focus on white straight males who are toxic. All the while you do 1-2 hours of work a day while getting paid 50k+ a year. Must be wonderful to be someone like David Lammy or Afua hirsh or whatever her name is, get on easy street and suck all that gravy.

@Egg-wt1pk Жыл бұрын

I love how sexism against men is portrayed as toxic masculinity and sexism against female is sexism. When people put less value to male emotions, physical pain and problems isn't that just lack of empathy and sexism against men. That's true masculinity appreciate emotional strength. But emotional strength have nothing to do with people putting lack of empathy to male emotions,physical pain and problems.

@markmarky471 4 жыл бұрын

Rafe makes a great point that through our leaders, engineers, explorers and so on traditional masculinity has been the driving force advancing our civilisation and human progress. We need to celebrate that.

@ullscarf 4 жыл бұрын

So they're saying women aren't interested in sport? Sounds sexist to me.

@hariseldon3786 4 жыл бұрын

One of the biggest issues is that the APA is taken seriously - just because it has a funky name? First to get established? Once good? The quality of research coming out e.g. "I interviewed 12 people, so my point is proven...", the susceptibility to confirmation bias, the ideological drivers, the low academic entry, completion and postgraduate status and it's proclivity to become politically involved in tangential issues... it should be either defunded and/or ignored - IT IS AN IDEOLOGICAL VEHICLE NOT A PSYCHOLOGY PEER. It deserves to be stripped of its status.

@PaganMan1966 4 жыл бұрын

Good video

@1Mutton1 4 жыл бұрын

OK while I agree with this message and discussion, the sound quality here is really making me struggle.

@marionreynolds7080 4 жыл бұрын

At my age I echo Joanna Lumley’s regrets! But I’m beginning to consider the notion that young women don’t really want to actually engage in sex per se.

@Offshoreorganbuilder 4 жыл бұрын

An interesting discussion - well done and thanks for the upload. (But I do wish you would change the set. The colours are crude and distracting and the guests look uncomfortable on the seating - which seems too small and which leaves adjacent people twisting to face the person next to them.)

@jacksporran7468 4 жыл бұрын

Take my own household as an example, yes an anecdote I grant you but an example nonetheless. My wife can ask our kids to do something till she's blue in the face, often raising her voice and becoming clearly agitated and angry with their total and more often than not deliberate disobedience of her requests. I will only take so much of this and because I 100% support my Wife and her need to have complete respect from our kids, I will then step in. I don't even have to open my mouth, just one look and my mere presence and they are straight away doing as asked by my Wife. I have never once had to smack my kids, nor would I ever do so but their is something about having a Darth Vader in the house that means they know when enough is enough. It is completely natural behaviour for kids to push boundaries but they need an authoritarian figure to understand where those boundaries are.

@arronbatty2676 4 жыл бұрын

Can you please do a review of the Viral video - what about the gender work place hours gap?

@DanSirGalahad 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to know what your opinion is on the closing down of grammar schools and what you think about reopening them in the context of selective education

@ShallowDepression 4 жыл бұрын

It's no wonder the youth hate themselves more than ever.

@christines5430 4 жыл бұрын

This discussion was a breath of fresh air to my sore ear. The all out attack on the nuclear family is the driving force behind this. The natural differences berween men and women provides balance to society and the nurturing of healthy children. The current toxicity in society seems to me to have resulted from the rise in fatherless homes leading to rise in youth crimes, and some very bitter and misguided women.

@teresacross333 2 жыл бұрын

My definition of "toxic masculinity" is the kind in which adolescent peer pressure on boys or young men to engage in destructive and criminal behaviour in order to prove their masculinity to the dominant ones of their peers and thehierarchy