Caladan + ELECTROCOMPANIET = Magic!

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🔥🔥🔥 ELECTROCOMPANIET ECI-80D: bit.ly/4cIKhOM
💎💎💎 Caladan: bit.ly/3XMjVXU
🎶 Welcome back to New Record Day! 🎶
Before you get too excited, this video is not a review of the Caladan speakers. I promise, that review is coming soon, and your patience will be rewarded. Today, we're diving into the synergy between one of the best sounding integrated amps I've had the pleasure of spending time with, the Electrocompaniet ECI-80D, and the Caladan speakers.
*Video Highlights:*
🔹 **System Synergy**: Pairing the right speaker with the right amp is crucial. Today, we explore how the ECI-80D consistently moves the needle in the right direction.
🔹 **First Impressions**: Initial thoughts on the ECI-80D's design and build quality, including some quirks with the remote control.
🔹 **Detailed Breakdown**: A comprehensive look at the ECI-80D's features, including its phono section, headphone section, and digital capabilities.
🔹 **Sound Quality**: Insights into the amp's performance across treble, midrange, vocals, bass, and soundstage.
🔹 **Personal Experience**: Nine months of using the ECI-80D in various setups, including its synergy with Caladan speakers.
*Chapters:*
00:00 - Introduction
01:15 - System Synergy
03:45 - First Impressions
06:30 - Detailed Breakdown
10:45 - Treble Impressions
14:20 - Midrange Impressions
18:00 - Vocals and Caladan Synergy
21:15 - Bass Impressions
25:00 - Soundstage Impressions
28:30 - Final Thoughts
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@AudioVino1 3 күн бұрын

Sorry Ron and Clayton really wanted to experience the Caladans but 4 months with no response from voice mails or email was a bit too much. I gave a credit card number to Clayton I have never heard back or have seen any order. I presume the number was lost since I haven't been charged either. I have moved on to another Open baffle design and are loving them. Hopefully the business side is straightening out for Clayton.

@writemeanovel 4 күн бұрын

Yes !!! I was psyched when I saw this in the background on one of your earlier videos. I own the eci 6d which is also an integrated and sounds superb. I’m glad to see this European integrated getting some play in the US. They make wonderful gear.

@adamfrost9048 3 күн бұрын

I love my maple finish Caladans and wouldn't trade it, but that walnut is looking really good too.

@frankvanhelvert6231 4 күн бұрын

that ""mystery"" speaker sounds really great!! gr-research perhaps!? thanks ron!!😇

@vernkeplinger6237 2 күн бұрын

Ron. Well my friend you were spot on with the Caladans and I could not be happier with them. NOW I have gone and purchased an ELECTROCOMPANIET ECI-80D. Ah yes........down the rabbit hole. Through the looking glass. Fingers crossed.

@Newrecordday2013 2 күн бұрын

You are gonna love that combo!

@vernkeplinger6237 2 күн бұрын

@@Newrecordday2013 5 week wait for delivery, that seem to be the theme. Its worth waiting for. thnx again bud.

@user-ej3ii8zm2b 3 күн бұрын

Hi Ron. Great review. How would you contrast the Electrocompaniet against the Hegel H390? I realize of course that the Hegel is much more powerful but on sound basis. I've got a feeling Hegel is probably on the verge of retiring the current H390 as it updates it's line.

@Mark-rw3kw 4 күн бұрын

ECI 80D amp for $3900 is a bit expensive IMO, especially 80 wpc. Lots of competition near that price, and even half that price.

@BrentLeVasseur 3 күн бұрын

The wattage isn’t the issue unless you plan to use another hard to drive speaker. The Caladan is very sensitive.

@Mark-rw3kw 3 күн бұрын

@@BrentLeVasseur Yes, but the price is an issue.

@BrentLeVasseur 3 күн бұрын

@@Mark-rw3kw What is your budget and needs? Maybe I can help.

@MK-rn2hm 3 күн бұрын

Been an audio enthusiast for 52 years now. Never could understand when reviewers say amp gets out of the way of reproducing music. What does that really mean? Isn’t any sound coming out of a speaker only possible from an amp? So how does one know an amp is transparent unless someone has magically heard the same speaker powered by themselves. Only then could you compare. Else any sound is still the work of the amplifier at the end of the day.

@BrentLeVasseur 3 күн бұрын

The amp I’d like to see compared to this one is my Benchmark AHB2 which is similarly priced and my bread and butter amp for both my speakers and headphone listening with Hifiman Susvaras.

@joenovak6393 3 күн бұрын

Caladan is on my purchase list, but I have ordered Decware Zen Master which is being made by lii-song. Also added Lii 15 bass baffle from Randall at Caintuck Audio.

@monrosj 23 сағат бұрын

My pair of Caladan's were suppose to be delivered in March 2024. New estimated delivery is mid to late August. No way the current published lead time for new orders is really 90 days.

@williammilligan1451 3 күн бұрын

Would be interesting to see a comparison with AGD products...

@reestyfarts 3 күн бұрын

Silly money.

@JRadian 14 сағат бұрын

Are the "Reference tracks" and Speaker recordings level-matched? At 1Khz or? Speaker recordings always sound less loud to me, which can affect the comparison.

@Kukkema 3 күн бұрын

Do you have a Tidal playlist?

@ichigobankai2343 3 күн бұрын

One remote going bad sure you could chalk it up to bad luck but with the second remote the odds are they are most likely defective. And for around 4k that is not acceptable.

@yippie6862 2 күн бұрын

Surprisingly, this $3,900 amplifier is very light weight. Even though it is Class A/B it appears to use a switch mode power supply. Similar to what Class D amps use. There is no traditional Toroidal or EI transformer. The inside looks spartan. I know the design should not matter because it has good sound quality, however, that still bothers me.

@NeilBlanchard 3 күн бұрын

I am curious what DAC is in this unit? If they didn't include a DAC - then maybe the remote and I/O connections could be better? 80W/ch @ 8 ohms, and 150W/ch @ 4 ohms is very good, but in my opinion, cramming in a DAC is too much to bite off, so to speak.

@electrocompaniet7586 2 күн бұрын

the DAC in the ECI80D is an Asahi Kasei (AKM) AK4118AEQ

@bartbarelds8454 3 күн бұрын

Sorry, i’m a sucker for the mid region. I’d pick those “mistery” speakers over the caladan any day.

@tomy2988 13 сағат бұрын

Yeah that mystery speaker sounded great.

@vernkeplinger6237 3 күн бұрын

Hey Ron, I was wondering what type of wood are your caladans made of ?

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

Walnut

@larrydunn4626 3 күн бұрын

I must have missed it... who is the female vocalist playing ukelele?

@fonkenful 3 күн бұрын

Rather awkward location for headphone sockets?

@BrentLeVasseur 3 күн бұрын

Nice Ron! When you do the side by side sound comparisons like bluetooth vs. wired etc… you might want to not show which is which until the end and just label them A and B, and that way it is more of a blind test for us the viewer. And that helps us remove any presupposed psychological bias for or against one of the options.

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

Thanks Brent - appreciate that feedback!

@Newrecordday2013 4 күн бұрын

🔥🔥🔥 ELECTROCOMPANIET ECI-80D: bit.ly/4cIKhOM 💎💎💎 Caladan: bit.ly/3XMjVXU 00:00 - Introduction 01:15 - System Synergy 03:45 - First Impressions 06:30 - Detailed Breakdown 10:45 - Treble Impressions 14:20 - Midrange Impressions 18:00 - Vocals and Caladan Synergy 21:15 - Bass Impressions 25:00 - Soundstage Impressions 28:30 - Final Thoughts Enjoy the show! Remember to share your thoughts below and like the video!

@jjnewbold 4 күн бұрын

Hoping you discuss pairing with the Yamaha RN-2000A when you do review Caladan

@Newrecordday2013 4 күн бұрын

That amp went home along time ago. Apologies!

@jos5067 4 күн бұрын

@@Newrecordday2013😢

@ericelmore887 3 күн бұрын

How does the rogue CM3 compare?

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

I haven’t heard the CM3 so I don’t know.

@ericelmore887 3 күн бұрын

@@Newrecordday2013the rogue Cronus magnum 3. You have reviewed it in the past. It’s my current amp.

@mcbowler 3 күн бұрын

I need to know the difference between straight class D, purifi or hypex, and this ECI. Do it again!

@yippie6862 2 күн бұрын

Yes, I'm confused about the design of the ECI.

@BoRerunn 3 күн бұрын

How much bass do the Caladins produce

@BrentLeVasseur 3 күн бұрын

It’s not how much but the quality of the tone, speed, impact, and texture. Have you ever heard open baffle bass before? It’s not the same as a boxed speaker or subwoofer in that it doesn’t pressurize the room and hit you in the chest like an explosion. They are two completely different animals. With open baffle bass you hear all the detail and tone without the pressurization and chest thumping that you get with a boxed design. Think of it like Bruce Lee punching you with his lighting fast strikes vs. say Mike Tyson with a slower knock you on your butt strike. That’s the best analogy I can think of to illustrate the difference.

@flashhog01 3 күн бұрын

Great video! I still find it quite strange that the hype around these speakers and sound clips provided are very far from what I experienced in person at CAF last year. I’d buy them quite quickly if they sounded like these clips.

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

The room matters - a lot!

@DNSWRLD 3 күн бұрын

Equipment, Placement and Room acoustics matter alot.

@larrydunn4626 3 күн бұрын

17:56. what I hear first is an uplifted timbre, then some bleed from midbass into the vocals.

@CarlVanDoren61 4 күн бұрын

Not enough tweeter for midsection 😮

@stevefink6913 3 күн бұрын

I'd be very tempted to go with an Auralic Aries S1 Streamer - $2,000., Holo Cyan 2 DAC - $1,200. & CHoco Emei Amp - $1,700. to drive Caladan Spkrs !!

@matytinman 3 күн бұрын

Mistery speakers: GR-Research / Danny Richie -> LGK 2.0 Woofer/full range (8 Ohms) + M130X Woofer (8 Ohms)? And yes, as was the case with The Bully, the one that most resembles the original recording. Well, they must need sub(s).

@joecartwright9221 7 сағат бұрын

Heil tweeter goes down to 800hz . There’s another manufacturer that makes a open baffle speaker 🔈 with the Heil tweeter. It was reviewed on the Audiophiac’s KZfaq site. Maybe you could get those for comparison 🤔

@paulgyro 3 күн бұрын

Ugh to this continued amp speaker magical pairing stuff.

@abxaudiophiles 4 күн бұрын

Well done Ron! Always nice a thurough! PS - We loved the Caldan the few times we heard them! #OpenBafflesRule.. 😍😍

@labalo5 3 күн бұрын

Take it to all the experts out there Ron…!

@Tarodenaro 3 күн бұрын

Huh, it's weird isnt it? Most of you are so used to the "wide" soundstage of headphones, but i bet it's a refreshing listening to a "big", "depth" and "tall" sound of EC on an Open Baffle speakers 😄 3D is not just wide 👍

@donnywidodo8874 3 күн бұрын

ive been eyeing this for months too as it somewhat cheaper in my country, but there's also burson timekeeper.... decision... decision

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 күн бұрын

Ron, what do you think about reviews where the reviewer doesnt know the price, brand or doesnt even get to set eyes on the gear itself before reviewing? How much bias happens when those things are known? I know for myself knowing all these things would influence my decisions heavily

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

Can you give me an example of this in our niche? I can’t imagine not knowing the price or brand of what I am reviewing. How would that work? I’m curious?

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 күн бұрын

@@Newrecordday2013 I don't know, I'm asking what you think about it and how much do you think knowing the price, brand of something and actually seeing it influences your (or anyone's) opinion of a product. It would be interesting to compare reviews of gear where the reviewer is totally blind to any information with reviews where the reviewer knows everything about the product, don't you think?

@Newrecordday2013 2 күн бұрын

I agree it would be interesting but I also don’t think it’s realistic. Do I think value has an impact on my review? If it does, it’s negligible compared to everything else that matters a lot more to me, starting with how it sounds. Thanks!

@user-zx6oc3bi3b 3 күн бұрын

Love you Ron. Truly do. You’re one of my favorites. But for 4 Grand and it looking like that. I better be able to see the instruments as well as hear them. Just sayin. Thanks for a terrific video my friend…….Though that said. If it truly is that amazing. Like passing the blindfold test to show its obvious superiority over many other amps. I reckon it can live in the closet and cabled from there.

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

Haha! I totally hear you man! Loud and clear! I wouldn’t have celebrated it as much as I did if I didn’t feel like it didn’t deserve it!

@stillaliveandwell5291 3 күн бұрын

Watch those double negatives!😅😊❤ Why does Clayton say the Calladans need a symetrical room? I thought OBs don't care about side wall distance due to limited off-axis response as stated at Pure Audio Project where they say distance to sidewall doesn't matter or have to be equal. The Audiophiliac S.G. agrees and his PAP set up is waaay unsymetrical (like mine would have to be). Your answer would be much appreciated!

@butchgo3756 2 күн бұрын

I wonder what Danny is going to name his new speaker??????

@Newrecordday2013 2 күн бұрын

Probably “The Mullet.”

@matytinman 3 күн бұрын

ELECTROCOMPANIET ECI-80D -> one of the keys should be the SMPS power supply.

@rareearthfab5511 3 күн бұрын

I love the content and these speakers would have been ordered if they would respond to any contact! I reached out to them multiple times after your first video with the Caladans but never did receive any response. Saying that… I would love if you could put out a video that gave examples of your descriptions of what you use to describe speakers/audio equipment. So we could understand exactly what you are describing when you use terms like vailed, or siblence, forward, recessed, open/airy… etc.. I think you have the equipment and ability to pull this off where many reviewers do not. This would be fantastic! I have about 50K invested in my system and as much as I enjoy listening as often as I can, I still very much consider myself an amateur audiophile and trying to better my understanding so that I can make educated improvements.

@quadrannilator 3 күн бұрын

Im not a measurement fanatic. However, if you talk about system synergy, I would appreciate it you could point people like me into the direction (in whatever form it is - a knowledgeable person, electrical engineering, quantitative measurements, etc) of trying to understand WHAT makes somethings connected together sound like THIS or THAT? I want to understand this phenomenon on an electrical level. I understand most audiophiles will not have a simultaneous desire to be electrical engineers, but it would be really nice to know WHY this pairing is good and HOW to make good pairings in the future without trial and error of all potential permutations of audio gear.

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 күн бұрын

I don't think anyone knows, I think it's all guessing and trial and error. That's why a device that you can use to make your system sound however you prefer it to sound is what everyone should be pushing for, instead of trying to match individual pieces with their own "Baked in" sound signature with something else with its own baked in sound and hoping they perform magic together. That could take years and cost hundreds of thousands of $ before you hit the perfect match. It's quite a ridiculous hobby when you think about it, hardly any "reviewers" say we've tried all these amp/speaker combinations and THESE 👉 are the ones with the best Synergy. They usually just do sales pitches of 1 bit of gear by itself and use all the audio jargon to attempt to explain what that one piece of gear sounds like, so you have no idea what it will sound like paired with your current gear. Imo every "review" should be done as a whole system and the reviewer shouldn't know the price of anything they're reviewing. The amount of bias that happens when a reviewer knows that X product costs 5X as much as Y product is outrageous. 99 times out of 100 they'll say the more expensive gear sounds better, and I bet my balls that changes if they didn't know the price or SEE 👀 the gear, which is also another bias.

@analogueman5364 3 күн бұрын

I don't think you can measure synergy electrically. But happy to be proved wrong.

@quadrannilator 3 күн бұрын

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 and I completely understand what you said... it takes a lot of combinations and while people become biased trying to express subjective experiences. And we have to try to best work with the sonic signatures of the gear we know, and see how it performs with some other downstream component - and hope that at least for a review, you can find some general characteristics about a speaker/headphone that you can actually talk about.

@quadrannilator 3 күн бұрын

@@analogueman5364 but that's the kind of thing that excites me to know! On the other hand, I think audiophiles love of trying to find synergies and marginal sound upgrades all their life, is very much akin to the inner high a Gambler gets in his life. So yeah, if one wants to enjoy the mystery and adventure, who am I to predict sound through numbers and take away the fun, even if I knew? 😜

@roofpizza1250 3 күн бұрын

Needs an HDMI nowadays. Still looking at the Yamaha RN2000A at this price point, And I can't be the only one thinking the model number suggests it's class D.

@yippie6862 2 күн бұрын

It's actually a Class A/B design. I just don't understand how they did that while using a switch mode power supply?

@roofpizza1250 2 күн бұрын

@@yippie6862 I'm just sayin' that a class A/B shouldn't have a 'D' in it's name.

@adamnocon9432 2 күн бұрын

Shipping rate for Caladans is $300 in US, expensive!

@rogerhuston8287 3 күн бұрын

I heard the Caladans at Axpona, In that room I wasn't impressed. I really, really wanted to love them, but if $50k worth of equipment didn't do it for me, them what chance with my setup.

@billybunter3753 4 күн бұрын

If I said I'm drunk and I can't contribute to the conversation would anyone believe me? I'm absolutely munted!

@marlonharewood8366 3 күн бұрын

Munted, eh? Never heard that expression before, but I like it and will be using that going forward. Congratulations, you have contributed, I'm not even listening to Ron anymore.

@bocrux 3 күн бұрын

Bluetooth is for podcasts.

@corbindavidbowser1885 2 сағат бұрын

And the mystery speakers are……?

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 күн бұрын

Currently in a conversation with someone who is claiming that all non load dependent amps sound the same, is there any literature about this? What are people's thoughts about this claim? And Bluetooth is at a level that good now that i bet most people wouldn't be passing a blind listening test between Bluetooth and streaming or other digital sources. I don't see the need for a streamer when Bluetooth sounds as good as it does

@johnd7268 3 күн бұрын

Wow, that little logo reminds me of Emotiva’s… very similar.

@joenovak6393 3 күн бұрын

More of the other way, Emotiva as a stand-alone brand in 2003, Electrocompaniet EST 1973 and logo change 1994.

@Artcore103 3 күн бұрын

80w is just too weak for that kind of money. Why do manufacturers do this, when they could easily make it more powerful. 4 12"s could certainly utilize more I suspect, for maximum output.

@NosTubes58 3 күн бұрын

It’s primarily because 75% of the world outside of the USA have smaller listening room, yet as most are constructed of concrete built to withstand the different wars throughout history, whereas American homes have rooms built around drywall, which essentially allows the sound waves to exit ones primarily quarters ( space ) in which makes Americans more power and bass crazed than say European and Asian cultures, where power rock or metal type recordings aren’t their thing to begin with……, so less power ratings as well as low end impact aren’t the only thing that sells outside of the USA. Simplicity and quality of note are of more importance.

@DNSWRLD 3 күн бұрын

The European and Asian mindset towards Hi-Fi is like their cars. We prefer thing's in a much smaller but sophisticated package, without sacrificing quality. I once owned a Grand Cherokee and totally blown away by it's campact dimensions and it's luxurious ride, functionality and equipment. I love the Audio Research brand but struggle to find placement for their new offerings, they are just waaaay toooo huge.

@analogueman5364 3 күн бұрын

80 watts is more than enough for mist domestic environments with average efficiency speakers. Don't forget peak power will be higher and with any well made analogue amp it's about how that power is delivered.

@dougg1075 3 күн бұрын

You don’t need much power with efficient speakers. I have the Willsenton R8 with Heresy IV and a sub . I can rock way louder than you would think possible with 25watts . I’m done

@richbulena8847 3 күн бұрын

Sorry to be that guy, but I believe it's pronounced "electrocompaneet".

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

I’ll bet you are right - no worries!

@andreasmisundberntsen9237 3 күн бұрын

Norwegian guy here. It's electrocomp-a-knee-et, if that helps. Nice review by the way. It's the brand that got me into the hobby many years ago, back when I was lusting for the ECI-3.

@Fred-ck1gh 3 күн бұрын

Holy smoke what you butchered the pronunciation of Electrocompaniet!😁🤣🤣 As a Swede I know that you Americans have a hard time to get it right with Norwegian or Swedish words and how to pronounce them! 😁

@Newrecordday2013 3 күн бұрын

Haha! I’m the worst!