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In this edition of PFT PM, Mike Florio reacts to the jury verdict in the Sunday Ticket trial and highlights what it means for the league before exploring how long Patrick Mahomes might play in the NFL and how A.I. Al Michaels could alter the future of broadcasting. Then, he discusses the new NFL kickoff rule and wonders if teams will end up conceding 30 yards after kicking out of the end zone. He wraps up the show by opening up the mailbag to answer questions from fans. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #nfl
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@sydsmusicpluspage 5 күн бұрын

Love PFT! My least harmful addiction! Thanks for making the NFL more interesting and for your honest non ass kissing takes. Great job, Mike!

@AMFMDX 5 күн бұрын

every NFL fan has waited (at least for me) DECADES for this to happen!!!

@joeypolashenski2655 4 күн бұрын

And nearly every juror in America is an NFL fan. Never had a chance against a jury. This is why I never understood how you actively became a fan of an out of market team. However with streaming now it’s all moot. Nfl just needs to settle at this point.

@carrite 4 күн бұрын

The NFL needs this wake-up call that they do not have a license to run roughshod over consumers by colluding to monopolize.

@gusbub13 5 күн бұрын

Curious timing; I just got an email offer around 4 PM from KZfaq TV for $100 off The Sunday Ticket, bringing the yearly price to $249. You'd think they'd have put a freeze on marketing during litigation, not knowing which way the verdict would swing. Lots of thoughts here.....

@JR10ISTHEFUTURE 5 күн бұрын

Love your work Mike

@immortal5383 4 күн бұрын

Good stuff Florio, this story was perfect for you to cover.

@wildkindness2223 4 күн бұрын

There's no way I would want to watch an AI commentated NFL game

@michaelmickles4426 4 күн бұрын

Single Team Package is a no-brainer.

@BluMustang 5 күн бұрын

I still dont like the sports comments mike (and especially simms) are making, not great at all, but mikes business and legal perspectives are pretty much the best around.

@xc.b3075 5 күн бұрын

I think he's pretty good on all fronts.

@quiddity131 4 күн бұрын

Agreed, he provides good legal analysis. It’s just that he’s incredibly biased both politically and in terms of team fandom and often completely makes things up for click bait purposes

@xc.b3075 4 күн бұрын

@quiddity131 I get what you're saying, but I think people don't get that Mike is less CNN or Fox News Entertainment and more C-SPAN, allowing him to have topical ideas, musings and solutions about a range of topics, while not being a partisan pundit. He seems fair and willing to call out the powers that be, but he'll let you know that politics does matter and are innately built into sports/society, so talking about one is sometimes necessarily talking about the other. There aren't many outlets like PFT (or Dave Zirin's The Edge of Sports).

@scottspy 5 күн бұрын

I have bought the Sunday Ticket every year that it's been available. Hope someone sends me a check, but I doubt I'll ever see a penny.

@rzawistowski33 5 күн бұрын

I did for at least 10 years, gave it up awhile ago cuz I was basically $15 a week, to watch like 1 or 2 games I cared about,

@stanthamman8077 4 күн бұрын

Thank you for football talk in June but you have two laser beams coming from your can lights, light diffusers would help. And I also support a piece of black tape over the light on your microphone :)

@rodneywilliams1154 5 күн бұрын

Mike, if the players get approximately 50% of the revenue, and the revenue for this year (post June 1) is -$12B, does the salary cap decrease? I imagine no. It would be very difficult to have all the players on contracts that go up assuming the salary cap goes up, and then have a hold or decrease year on the salary cap. Explain this to me.

@johnlawson1167 5 күн бұрын

Salary cap went down in 2021 because covid killed revenue the 2020 season, there were many teams cutting players, and some players took contracts under expected value. Honestly I think its part of the reason the Rams had to give 2 firsts to get the lions to take Goffs contract. 2020 it was 198mil, 2021 it was 182mil.

@rodneywilliams1154 5 күн бұрын

@@johnlawson1167 So...when the NFL pays out (it sounds like there are still some appeals to be made), what will happen to the sc?

@johnlawson1167 4 күн бұрын

@@rodneywilliams1154 well seeing as this has been a case that's been going on for about 10 years now I'm assuming they have some money put aside to mitigate the impact, if not absorb it entirely. However!! If there is no plan in place and the 5Billion directly and immediately hits the revenue, this is how I expect it to affect the cap space. Seeing how the cap has increased over the past few years it wouldn't be insane to expect a 10% to 15% increase in Revenue, at least before the settlement is paid out. If the cap was 255m *32 teams the player share totaled about 8.1Billion. Due to growth from more individually licensed games to be streamed, more International games to grow the game abroad, and just general inflation I would naturally expect the player share to grow from 8.1 billion to as high as 8.9-9.3 Billion. (278-291mil cap per team). If we assume that half the 5bil settlement gets taken out of the players 9.3billion (all in 1 year, which again I really doubt), we could see a cap space of 212million. Thats worst case senario btw, no insurance, no mitigation, all due at once, doomsday. I highly doubt it goes to that though.

@ApesWithEgos 4 күн бұрын

Salary Cap's key metric is Gross Revenue, and legal payouts like this would typically be OCI (other comprehensive income). The players should largely avoid direct impact from this. For the non-accountants infrequent income items appear lower on the income statement.

@rodneywilliams1154 4 күн бұрын

Whoa. Awesome answer.

@Whiskey61 4 күн бұрын

I would much rather be able to watch a broadcast where the view was from the 50 yard line 30 rows up and watch with vr glasses. For the audio I would prefer the team radio broadcast overlaid on crowd noise.

@starliteinn5397 5 күн бұрын

What about an AI Florio who can react to the latest football news, and also pointedly remind us all that we're all going to die?

@quiddity131 4 күн бұрын

And that we all have to worry now about when our 28 year old QB is going to retire

@kimr808 2 күн бұрын

What stops me from purchasing Sunday ticket isn’t necessarily the price of Sunday ticket, but it’s being forced to subscribe to YT tv too. I should be able to purchase the Sunday ticket option without having to subscribe to the tv channel too. Double dipping for YT and NFL.

@MisterCharley 18 сағат бұрын

The NFL should have a streaming service. There should be no more cable/satellite subscription required.

@djgaud 4 күн бұрын

Single team is all I need

@Dreday-dp1jp 4 күн бұрын

Okay but hear me out don't stream playoff games on peacock

@DeanHenry-hm9bd 4 күн бұрын

It would sure be nice if the price gets lowered for the Sunday Ticket, for us senior citizens that love football, and like to treat ourselves occasionally to something special, that would be great.

@richdurbin6146 4 күн бұрын

The AI voices thing is kind of neat. I would love to hear an AI hosting of MNF with Cosell, Gifford and Dandy Don Meredith.

@mike1mike135 2 күн бұрын

I never bail on an episode but you lost me on the 4-minute electric football segment

@wangbrian8985 4 күн бұрын

The A.I. Carlin thing was debunked as having been written by humans, and not A.I., merely having been recited by an A.I. likeness of Carlin. A.I. Seinfeld was a thing, briefly, in the very early LLM days; it was called "Nothing Forever" and it was broadcast on Twitch, complete with 3d models of the four, the apartment, and a stand-up stage. Soon after it became popular, the creators changed which LLM was powering it, and the new LLM generated some discriminatory dialogue, which got the channel banned temporarily. They switched the LLM again and got unbanned quickly as a result, but their 15 minutes was up. No idea if it's a thing still. The content was almost entirely the setup for a hypothetical episode of Seinfeld, and not the resolution of the setup; for example, they would decide to go to a new restaurant, or see a new movie, but the next scene was not about them doing that, but instead setting up a completely unrelated situation, which would also never get resolved, and Jerry would do some stand-up in between sometimes. I'm sure that both comedians have been done better by LLMs since then, for better or for worse, as models (and prompters) have gotten exponentially better. Companies the size of NBC have the resources to potentially produce a very high-quality product, but they'll need experienced staff to help them iron out the kinks, or else they risk people writing off the whole project, potentially harming the outlook of a "version 2.0" that improves on the current offering. It's important that they get it right the first time.

@scotttild 4 күн бұрын

And it will end up Sunday Ticket being more expensive watch.

@lukelawrence8952 4 күн бұрын

Hope they make every game ppv option

@cptjockitch 4 күн бұрын

Tom Brady retired last year and the nfl didn’t skip a beat. The same will happen when Maholmes retires.

@frankiebecerra3 4 күн бұрын

I think part of the problem with AI as you're describing it is that it takes away opportunities for the next generation to become icons in their own right. If we're watching games with an AI John Madden, then there's no chance for some up-and-coming broadcaster to become their generation's John Madden.

@meepk633 4 күн бұрын

In my estimation, this isn't about the NFL trying to squeeze cash out of consumers. If TV network deals were not a factor, the NFL would happily sell a la carte games for $10 or $20. But the networks desperately need pro sports. In exchange, the NFL gets dump trucks full of gold bars and an entire commentary industry which makes the product better. Neither party wants to give that up. The NFL doesn't want to sell ads to probiotics companies and injury lawyers. NBC executives couldn't possibly replace such high-quality readymade content. I do think both parties are overestimating how much the market would change if the NFL sold direct to consumers at a reasonable price. There's a happy medium, and it looks like the Amazon deal.

@HawkinsTTV 4 күн бұрын

I would love Mike to have one of these where he talks about stuff completely outside of Football haha. Just an honest conversation to the audience about how he really feels about things in life that wouldn't be toned down or sanitized. He goes on tangents quite a bit, but in his defense he also catches that and steers it back very quickly, thats why I would love to hear the Real Mike Florio. He's probably be the first to tell you that he doesnt have anything interesting to say and blah blah but I couldn't disagree with him more lol I'd be paying a lot of attention just like I already to do for PFT.

@Card_Crazed 4 күн бұрын

Will the verdict also affect NFL GamePass? It's the only international package, and it's almost $400 USD/year. I can't afford that.But for many international out of market fans, will the price drop to an affordable rate? At least I can get Fox Seattle, so I can get the Seahawks games (Fan of Seahawks).

@zm4518 5 күн бұрын

Do you want to talk about your Mahomes retirement talk? Isn’t it too soon?

@mikehouse68 4 күн бұрын

Ya Think ? LOL

@Tony525_ 4 күн бұрын

What's the point of a jury then....

@bgpoppapump3313 4 күн бұрын

The illusion, brotha!

@MrZola1234 4 күн бұрын

Evrn if the plaintiffs win on appeal too... the NFL isn't going to offer broken up packages... they'll just offer a slightly lower price for the current all or nothing package.

@ayeweballing2102 4 күн бұрын

That’s still colluding

@MrZola1234 4 күн бұрын

@@ayeweballing2102 there is no requirement for professional leagues to sell individual games or teams under anti trust law

@robertschoelerman7496 4 күн бұрын

I have never paid over 300 dollars for Sunday ticket this time only paid 200 for Sunday ticket with a 100 dollar discount

@gilm6646 4 күн бұрын

NFL Sunday Ticket does not give you all the games shocker

@jnieting 5 күн бұрын

I miss stats

@BernardTassart 4 күн бұрын

By the way,he's a lawyer and he explains it very clearly and it helps to understand also...greed😮🤔🤔🤨😮

@howardsinclair9371 4 күн бұрын

AI with Howard Cosell.

@jamespaolini9196 5 күн бұрын

What's it mean for the average NFL fans

@kingpin1118 5 күн бұрын

My guess was, the number gets capped at some arbitrary number. But TRIPLED?

@stevencass8849 5 күн бұрын

I think the tripled is required by law. I can’t remember where I read it, but it said US law requires tripling the amount rewarded for these type of cases. Can’t remember any other details though.

@richdurbin6146 5 күн бұрын

@@stevencass8849When the original USFL sued the NFL on anti-trust they won and were awarded a dollar, which automatically tripled to three dollars. There’s a documentary somewhere on KZfaq where they were interviewing Trump (owner of the NJ Generals) and offered to show him the check that was never cashed. He wasn’t interested in seeing it.

@user-Ic7hx7wd9c 4 күн бұрын

The court can increase the amount by up to 3 times.

@ViciousVioletteLV 4 күн бұрын

I would watch MNF with AI Howard Cosell. I loved him when I was a kid.

@carrite 4 күн бұрын

Ick.

@awturbosp 4 күн бұрын

As a Chiefs fan, we know the other shoe is going to drop eventually and our ride will be over! We’re from the Midwest and dwell on it constantly. We don’t need to hear it outside of our heads too!!

@vegasroller7026 4 күн бұрын

Mike instead of saying why the Chiefs should pay more to Mahomes you should be an advocate for the salary cap being extinct. Mahomes could easily get 100 million a year and the Chiefs can still pay for a decent team.

@bocamax 3 күн бұрын

Florio thinks making games available by a cable package is the future? Less than half of households now have cable and that number is dropping rapidly each year. Still living in the 80s, eh?

@shadycarry 4 күн бұрын

Florio must have an ex girlfriend from Kansas City, the vendetta is next level lol

@j.d.v.n. 4 күн бұрын

Chris Ya know. Right?! Simms

@mysaga 4 күн бұрын

If Mahomes decides to call it quits as a lifelong Chiefs fan I will accept his decision as he’s given us 3 and a lot more excitement in his playing career than anyone should be allowed, so far all’s well in the Kingdom. Now I don’t think he will do so before he has a handful of Rings 5 on each Finger + Thumb given he can wear such on one hand due to size and weight of those Rings. The decision is his, Brittany Mahomes and his family to make.

@TRIGGER861 4 күн бұрын

Mahomes 28 y/o and florio pushing the idea of his retirement, yeah!

@mikehouse68 4 күн бұрын

RiDICulous.

@mudman619 4 күн бұрын

those figures will never be upheld. if the NFL loses all it's appeals, they won't pay that much & I doubt they'll lose the appeals. also, if these sports leagues know they screwed up with the anti-trust thing, why don't they simply form into 1 entity, as Mike says? We could see Goodell standing up there like Palpatine: "The NFL has reorganized into the First Galactic Empire! For a safer, securer, and more profitable society!"

@quiddity131 4 күн бұрын

Yep, the NFL can combine all the franchises into one privately held company and issue stock to the owners based on their current team valuations. Then it’s just one company, no more anti trust, collusion, etc…

@tonydisibio4236 4 күн бұрын

Bottom line, Nobody gets anything, Tied up in court like it didn't happen.

@mattkmoch2895 9 сағат бұрын

The funny part is that every owner in the nfl pony’s up $500 million and it paid. While not nothing, none of them will even feel it accept maybe the Packers.

@RogueDemagogue 4 күн бұрын

I just got a wonderful idea; we can have the AI KC Chiefs and AI Mahomes playing the AI 85 Bears and the AI Mahomes easily defeating the 85 Bears. AI Mahomes defeating the AI 2000 Ravens. AI Mahomes defeating the AI Cowboys, Packers and Montana teams of the past. Come to think of it, Mahomes might be immortal after all, beating teams of the past and future, after Mahomes retires.

@robertschoelerman7496 4 күн бұрын

Mahomes I. Real life would not stand a chance against the great teams of old 85 bears would have abliterated the chiefs now it wouldn't be close wouldn't be no refs to save KC back then

@RogueDemagogue 4 күн бұрын

@@robertschoelerman7496 TBH, the 85 Bears weren't special, and I shouldn't have included them as a great team of the past. The 84 Bears were crap, and the 86 Bears were crap. They had a scheme never seen before in 85 and caught everybody by surprise, then the NFL caught on and the Bears have been crap ever since. the Chiefs stop all great RB's and Mahomes is the greatest of all time. Mcmahon was a chump of a QB.

@finstor3386 4 күн бұрын

LOL, yea and the NFL is just going to sit by an lose 12bn. They are the moniest grubbing organization on the planet. ITs 32 of the best money grubers on the planet, united in grubbing more money. IF the verdict stands, they will immediately come up with a plan to nickle and dime that money from the fans over x period of time. The fans will pay for this not the billionaires.

@user-mg4xt3br5g 5 күн бұрын

Nick Wright totally misunderstood Mike's take on mahomes career trajectory, on purpose or not, not sure.

@gingerzoe2431 4 күн бұрын

80th 🎊 ⛰️🚗💨 ☠️

@RogueDemagogue 4 күн бұрын

He spends over 10 minutes telling us that Mahomes isn't immortal, lol.

@davidluna7237 5 күн бұрын

I hope the Supreme Court doesn’t hear it and the NFL is forced to make it available.

@euj0 5 күн бұрын

Bro, the Supreme Court just ruled that you can "tip" public officials. So it's not bribery, as long as you pay the politician after.

@davidluna7237 4 күн бұрын

Why is that relevant here?

@euj0 4 күн бұрын

@@davidluna7237it's relevant because the NFL can grease a few palms, and maybe the judgment gets vacated

@MrMegaGamerMan 5 күн бұрын

Guess the salary cap is going down soon! 😂🥳🥳🥳

@ApesWithEgos 4 күн бұрын

I think the deal with Google for Sunday Ticket is locked in for years. This just means that Google can offer its licensed product at a competitive price.

@SGT-CART3R 5 күн бұрын

Florio, get a microphone cover, you are prone to plosives

@Giovannisss 5 күн бұрын

Lions blew a 18 points lead in a championship game 😭😭😭😭

@SGT-CART3R 5 күн бұрын

@@Giovannisss your cowboys lost first round buddy to a 7th seed 💀💀💀💀

@cag19549 4 күн бұрын

??? He has one. It's in front of the mic. It's called a pop filter.

@SGT-CART3R 4 күн бұрын

@@cag19549 then why does he sound more prone to plosives in this specific video?

@amenbrother8818 5 күн бұрын

I'd like to see a show of hands of those who think a Supreme Court packed with lawyers chosen by Leonard Leo, Chairman of the Board of the Federalist Society, a wholly owned subsidiary of the same type of oligarchs who own NFL teams will vote in any way against the interests of said like minded NFL owners. Seeing none, have a nice day NFL owners, case closed.

@user-mp6dl7wc9z 4 күн бұрын

Companies can charge what they want

@MutedGrowl 4 күн бұрын

Absurd that companies can’t set their own price for their own product. Who decides what’s a fair price for Sunday Ticket? Biden? You Mike? Who?

@jamesspanglet6702 4 күн бұрын

The NFL is made up of 32 different businesses.

@ApesWithEgos 4 күн бұрын

And the NFL did set its price: they licensed it to Google. Google just gets the opportunity to price their licensed product at a competitive price.

@MutedGrowl 4 күн бұрын

@@ApesWithEgos right, but the NFL is setting up the packages and has the right to approve of the pricing. Why shouldn’t Google and NFL be allowed to decided how much they can charge and how the package is set up? What’s an appropriate price? Whats an appropriate package?

@SunShine-xc6dh 3 күн бұрын

@MutedGrowl should it only be available in bloated packages charging extra your for content you don't want in the first place?