NGC 2 - Measuring the Distance to Galaxies - Deep Sky Videos

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Жыл бұрын

Professor Mike Merrifield discusses methods for measuring the distance to NGC 2. Includes the Tully-Fisher method. More links and info in full description ↓↓↓
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Professor Merrifield on Twitter: / astromikemerri
A New Method of Determining Distances to Galaxies: ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/197...
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Пікірлер: 76
@MichaelEhling
@MichaelEhling Жыл бұрын
As ever, I feel I know this topic more completely after a DeepSky lesson from Professor Merrifield. Can we have a DeepSky dive into The Great Attractor?
@TheMessiersAndromeda
@TheMessiersAndromeda Жыл бұрын
The channel SEA has an excellent video on the Great Attractor
@rhoddryice5412
@rhoddryice5412 Жыл бұрын
Search “Paul Fellows Great Attractor”. He is a professor at Cambridge and has uploaded loads of lectures.
@ericvosselmans5657
@ericvosselmans5657 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMessiersAndromeda If you look drama and gloomy music.
@feywild1758
@feywild1758 Жыл бұрын
I was 15 when I discovered this channel. I'm 25 now. Thank you for continuing to make videos all of this time!
@raideurng2508
@raideurng2508 Жыл бұрын
The great irony of the great attractor being in one of the most difficult areas of the sky to actually view past our galaxy.....
@andrewlabat9963
@andrewlabat9963 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for actually saying we'll probably never know for sure. The most scientificly honest thing I've heard in a while..
@Jayc5001
@Jayc5001 Жыл бұрын
Remember to make a new playlist for the NGC catalog as well! I'm enjoying the videos, keep up this amazing content.
@Jayc5001
@Jayc5001 Жыл бұрын
Also with new sky surveys coming online like Vera C. Rubin with the LSST I hope we can get a lot of 1A supernova distances to these galaxies.
@NoNameAtAll2
@NoNameAtAll2 Жыл бұрын
2 done, 7838 to go
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 Жыл бұрын
That should only take about 160 years. It's good to know we don't have to worry about running out of things to watch.
@Jayc5001
@Jayc5001 Жыл бұрын
This is going to be quite the journey.
@rhoddryice5412
@rhoddryice5412 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelsommers2356 48 days since NGC 1, if this pace is kept it would take 376000 days which is just about a thousand years.
@CanisMajor7
@CanisMajor7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, professor!
@MrMadsci7
@MrMadsci7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Merrifield for continuing to come back and teach us new things.
@michaelwhinnery164
@michaelwhinnery164 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to see a post on the great attractor.
@patricescattolin43
@patricescattolin43 Жыл бұрын
From the perspective of nice objects, you might want to look at the Arp catalog of peculiar galaxies. There is also a list of Finest NGC which are about nice to observe NGC. That would be one way to pick and choose in the NGC more intersting objects.
@SharpAssKnittingNeedles
@SharpAssKnittingNeedles Жыл бұрын
So happy to see a new upload! I watched the entire messier series, and I'm terribly excited about the prospect of one on the ngc's! The messiers took ten years but I expect the ngc's would take a whole lot longer! Fingers crossed that you keep going!
@pratha1994
@pratha1994 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I loved all the graphics and animation!
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan Жыл бұрын
Episode 2 of the new 8000 part series. That's like the number of episodes of The Bold and the Beautiful, better get cracking with one episode a day! 🙂
@MCPhssthpok
@MCPhssthpok Жыл бұрын
That graphic at about 1:00 showing the redshift going from blue to red via violet!
@raideurng2508
@raideurng2508 Жыл бұрын
Wait that's illegal.
@ApprendreSansNecessite
@ApprendreSansNecessite Жыл бұрын
This video is really perfect.
@herblapp6134
@herblapp6134 Жыл бұрын
Michael l just read sbout the latest work studying Stephen's Quintet. It was presented today at the astro conference. Congrats on a new video it's been quiet awhile. 👍
@vimalramachandran
@vimalramachandran Жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@iamsandrewsmith
@iamsandrewsmith Жыл бұрын
Last time, NGC 1. Tonight, NGC 2. This is going to keep you guys busy for a while.
@logenninefinger3420
@logenninefinger3420 Жыл бұрын
Finally I knwo how the great attractor has been discovered. Nice!
@MT-ur5dp
@MT-ur5dp Жыл бұрын
I will probably create images for the wikipedia articles of NGC objects. For the articles are missing images or have low quality images. Already added a better image for NGC 7.
@peregrin71
@peregrin71 Жыл бұрын
Goes to show, science is about dealing with uncertainties not absolutes (which most people seem to expect)
@nabb111
@nabb111 Жыл бұрын
Love these videos. Could we get a video explaining why JWST images of nebula (like NGC 346) show no galaxies even in dark margins at the edges, and the deep field seem full of galaxies? Is it exposure time, settings used to create the images, that the light doesn’t make it through …? Seems perfectly on topic for this channel.
@turboblazer
@turboblazer Жыл бұрын
This "Great Attractor" must be *massive* since gravity scales so poorly over long distances. How massive are we talking?
@davidcampos1463
@davidcampos1463 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I did not have this.
@imager8763
@imager8763 Жыл бұрын
Love Mike's talks, sadly the volume on this video was all over the place.
@3_letter_animal
@3_letter_animal Жыл бұрын
Ty for the video; qq, any plans on moving up from 1080p?
@thestrangegreenman
@thestrangegreenman Жыл бұрын
"Small... Far away." "Uh huh" "Small... Far away." "Uhhh" "You get it?" "No, I don't think so."
@kemalm9383
@kemalm9383 Жыл бұрын
Would this need to be checked in different times of the year?
@brian_jackson
@brian_jackson Жыл бұрын
I never hear it mentioned in videos and articles on the subject of measuring distances to galaxies, but is any account taken of any matter in intergalactic space that would slightly dim the galaxy's apparent brightness? I expect that the amount of matter is small, but over such huge distances, could that add up to a significant amount? There is probably little known about the matter between galaxies, but as far as I can tell, it is a assumed to be zero. Or is it?
@michaelcollins966
@michaelcollins966 Жыл бұрын
Yes, one of the many simplifications/assumptions made in astronomy. Which also leads to my unsatisfaction with the faithful belief in Dark Matter being an exotic material as yet undiscovered.
@1.4142
@1.4142 Жыл бұрын
From what distance away from the great attractor are thing falling towards it faster than the expansion of the universe? As in given enough time they will end up in its neighborhood.
@alansilverman8500
@alansilverman8500 Жыл бұрын
The Tully-Fisher distances seem much more reasonable cause just by eyeballing it you can see they both have similar spacial resolution...
@coastwalker101
@coastwalker101 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. though not a Cepheid in sight.
@MrSnudger
@MrSnudger Жыл бұрын
Is there an upper limit on the size a galaxy can be? If rotation speed is related to mass- do especially massive galaxies rip themselves apart through rotation? Also- can the effects of the Great Attractor be seen distorting galaxies?
@sp00n
@sp00n Жыл бұрын
Galaxies grow by merging with other galaxies, so by the time they'd hit that limit they'd probably have long become an elliptic galaxy, where the stars don't rotate in a disc anymore. For example the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy is expected to become an elliptic galaxy as well after they've merged.
@bbdonthurtme8163
@bbdonthurtme8163 Жыл бұрын
I've got a slight problem with what he said at 5:00. If the galaxy is rotating at the same rate, but much further away, wouldn't it NOT give the same answer due to it being further and therefore your rotational measurement would be shifted as well? Or would this be relative to the other side of the galaxy and still give the same difference.
@benweieneth1103
@benweieneth1103 Жыл бұрын
You measure the difference in velocity between the approaching and receding sides, so the overall motion of the galaxy cancels out.
@bbdonthurtme8163
@bbdonthurtme8163 Жыл бұрын
@@benweieneth1103 Ah yes of course
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
When it comes to galaxies, it seems a million light years here, a million there all are tending to become small change...
@phelliprd6659
@phelliprd6659 Жыл бұрын
👍
@kidmohair8151
@kidmohair8151 Жыл бұрын
likingandcommenting to appease the algo-deities of the tube-u-all
@vanhouten64
@vanhouten64 Жыл бұрын
NGC 1...NGC 2...lol, looks like they're actually gonna do it 😄
@dl5244
@dl5244 Жыл бұрын
no mention of systematic error...
@simonsta
@simonsta Жыл бұрын
Is there a galaxy where we see it neither blue shifted or red shifted?
@culwin
@culwin Жыл бұрын
I think M98 is one of the least "shifted", but it is blue-shifted.
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
That's tricky. The problem is that we can detect VERY small shifts. We'd need to find a galaxy that's sitting almost still relative to us. And we can even detect the rotation of galaxies via the spread of their spectrum due to parts of the disk red and blue shifting.
@OwenPrescott
@OwenPrescott Жыл бұрын
I think Deepsky should colab with Astrobiscuit (London based youtuber fyi)
@Corvaire
@Corvaire Жыл бұрын
I'm curious to know if the area of the great attractor's centralized area is also moving away from our perspective faster relative to other areas of expansion? In my Grand Fission Theory I describe our universe as a bubble being squeezed in the middle. If you turn that same analogy to look straight on to both sides being parallel (like two lenses in a telescope,) there would be a distant area that seems to draw inward. Because of the distance in conjunction with space time it would appear that a centralized point would emerge and be diluted showing only a slight movement to a particular area comparative to the rest of the universe. If true, this could also lead to more extreme lensing effects that could allow us to see multiple times farther back in space time. Just a thought. ;O)-
@LetMeRaveTV
@LetMeRaveTV Жыл бұрын
How do people know the red light from a galaxy is due to the universe expanding rather than the light from the galaxy just having a red hue?
@TheGokki
@TheGokki Жыл бұрын
What if the universe isn't expanding, but it's the photons that shift because they experience a tiiiiny bit of passage of time and they're not traveling at the maximum speed. They got no mass, but a tiny bit of energy - if the universe doesn't care about that distinction then (according to E=MC²) they would (in the vast distances and times) decay by having their frequency energy be spent on interacting with the Higgs field. Hypothesis: universe is not expanding, the photons interact extremely weakly with the higgs field over long distances/time and as a result their frequency lowers. Please correct me.
@bnightm
@bnightm Жыл бұрын
What you're describing is more broadly categorized as "Tired light" mechanisms to explain red shift. Wikipedia has a page on the history of the topic and it's current status.
@TheGokki
@TheGokki Жыл бұрын
@@bnightm Oh cool, i'll check it out, neat.
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
An issue is that there's no real mechanism for photons to interact with the Higgs field in that way. The Higgs field isn't an energy sink for massive particles, they do not lose mass or energy to it over time. Another issue would be making sure that all photons lost the same percentage of energy over time, so that this sort of redshift wouldn't distort spectra. Which is tricky given that the Higgs field acts differently at higher energies. And of course, if there's gravity and the universe ISN'T expanding, something needs to stop it collapsing.
@TheGokki
@TheGokki Жыл бұрын
@@garethdean6382 I wish i could sit down and talk to a cosmologist x)
@Craznar
@Craznar Жыл бұрын
What if time (like space) is 'expanding' as the universe gets older ? Wouldn't that disrupt the calculations ?
@raideurng2508
@raideurng2508 Жыл бұрын
That'd break more than those calculations because it would potentially break special relativity.
@Craznar
@Craznar Жыл бұрын
@@raideurng2508 It wouldn't break SR any more than space expanding does.
@erbalumkan369
@erbalumkan369 Жыл бұрын
Redshift might not always be an indication of movement. See Halton Arp's work.
@heywayhighway
@heywayhighway Жыл бұрын
Nas
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n Жыл бұрын
And the distance to other galaxies affects daily life on Earth how?
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
They aid us in the search for big truths, and can soothe us when we see that the merest whims of the powerful can decimate companies and lives for no real reason at all.
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n Жыл бұрын
@@garethdean6382 Decimate means to reduce your enemy's fighting force by 10% as proof of your superior power. But if you did know everything, and every big truth you would know that there is always a reason. Personally, I would not find that soothing. Truth is relative, not absolute, and is always what you believe it to be. But to the point here, knowing the distance to other galaxies will aid us in the search for big truths how?
@mrmb84
@mrmb84 Жыл бұрын
first
@abighairyspider
@abighairyspider Жыл бұрын
Halton Arp
@erbalumkan369
@erbalumkan369 Жыл бұрын
Ever considered that your premise of an expanding universe might be false?
@Lexivor
@Lexivor Жыл бұрын
Of course the astronomers have considered that. They've just rejected the hypothesis of a steady state universe.
@guderian557
@guderian557 Жыл бұрын
4 and a half "inch" telescope? It is not the dark ages anymore, use standard units of measurement.
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