NHL: Late Hits Part 3

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Chapters:
0:00- Cale Makar hit on Jared McCann
1:10- Radko Gudas hit on David Kampf
2:26- Kyle Palmieri hit on Charlie McAvoy
3:16- Nick Ritchie hit on Charlie McAvoy
4:04- Mark Scheifele hit on Jake Evans
5:37- Tom Wilson hit on Mark Jankowski
7:00- Trent Frederic hit on Brendan Smith
7:44- Michael Rasmussen hit on Artemi Panarin
9:03- Garnet Hathaway hit on Luke Hughes
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@Jens95 2 ай бұрын

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@icebox.hockey 2 ай бұрын

You know what late hits cause...??? HUGE MELTDOWNS check out the video Jens linked to watch the WORST meltdowns in NHL Ever!

@user-ri6tb2cf8f 2 ай бұрын

Plamari should know better if I was ref and performed i will give him two game suspension or a minor penalty for two min.

@GradeEhCanadian 2 ай бұрын

I have a lot of respect for Winnipeg number 27 keeping the group from stepping on Evans when he was on the ice I still remember that as a really good gesture

@johnlocke_1 2 ай бұрын

Never understood why every time a player is injured, everyone crowds around. You have the entire area, go fight elsewhere.

@nolananderson4782 2 ай бұрын

Good guy Nic Ehlers

@73keton 2 ай бұрын

Ehlers, yeah. He earned a lot of respect that day, the same way Getzlaf protected Stepan

@Leafsdude 2 ай бұрын

And a hell of a lack of respect for the other 9 players involved.

@JaredGoofball 2 ай бұрын

4:13 its nice to see that one of the jets players was holding back the fight so they didn't trample Evans

@robinrofhok4859 2 ай бұрын

Very surprised to find Wilson in this video! Who could have thought!

@colinviray4833 2 ай бұрын

I thought his hit was the cleanest of the bunch though

@thiccboi6960 2 ай бұрын

I’m not a caps fan but I believe Wilson isn’t a dirty player but just very aggressive and sometimes makes mistakes

@thiccboi6960 2 ай бұрын

Also although Wilson shouldn’t have done it we can all agree Jankowski had it coming

@rforbes- 2 ай бұрын

@colinviray4833 right, buddy hit the puck put of mid air.

@paulragone5877 2 ай бұрын

Hathaways hit wouldn't be late if the refs knew how to blow a whistle properly

@davidcumming8567 2 ай бұрын

whats worse is that they kicked him for the hit

@myth8644 2 ай бұрын

I'm a Devils fan and I can't be mad at Hathaway for that hit. That was 100% the fault of the linesmen. If they had blown the whistle when they were supposed to, that hit would not have happened.

@michaelbecker2435 2 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie I was annoyed with Luke not Hathaway the whistle wasn't blown you don't stop playing

@JakeMcGarryDrums 2 ай бұрын

That hit from Scheiffle on Evans is still one of the dirtiest hits I've seen in a lonnnggg time

@chestrockwell1794 2 ай бұрын

It was a beauty and if it weren’t for divas and pussies that like these little huddles after every hit it wouldn’t be labeled as anything but what it really was,, an amazing hit.

@colelawton7908 2 ай бұрын

how his head was down. I get you think that because its an empty net but, the jets are trying to win the game and are playing all out. Evans needs to protect himself coming around the net like that.

@colelawton7908 2 ай бұрын

even then it wasnt late and doesent belong in the video anyway

@Leafsdude 2 ай бұрын

@@colelawton7908 One can literally count the frames on one hand from when the puck leaves Evans stick and when Scheifele makes contact. Absolutely absurd to call that interference. 100% agreed.

@user-qo4jg3xr1b 2 ай бұрын

Anyone that says the hit was fair are f..... morons.

@stevecolantuono2284 2 ай бұрын

Gee Gudas being on this video should surprise no one

@RisingPhoenix_12 2 ай бұрын

Wrd, but that hit was clean ngl

@frankytanky5076 2 ай бұрын

Idk why people say hits like this are clean, he started striding from the Blueline. It’s charging.

@B.R.H. 2 ай бұрын

even less surprising is Wilson being here

@volkert314 2 ай бұрын

@@RisingPhoenix_12 No it wasn't

@RisingPhoenix_12 2 ай бұрын

I can understand that perspective, however I don't think he skate an excessive distance to hit the player. If you think that is charging then I guess you would have to include almost every single big kronwall hit as an illegal hit. @@frankytanky5076

@damienchance3153 2 ай бұрын

Scheiffle dirty hit on Evans reminds me of the ducks/sharks game years ago when Torres hit on silverburg and Torres got suspended for the season

@WereFineGolf 2 ай бұрын

Great part 2

@spartannige3296 2 ай бұрын

Huh, I was just watching part two from three years ago. Damn fine timing, Jens.

@Wrongway1965 2 ай бұрын

Love Your Stuff Jens

@gavinallen540 2 ай бұрын

Wow, the Frederic scene was so cowardly. Dumped him onto the ice and ran away from the consequences. Must have learned that one from Marchand

@devincoonradt7779 2 ай бұрын

he continued on the with play buddy shut the fuck up you pigeon 😭😭😭😅😅

@Armin1496 2 ай бұрын

Or he learned from his rookie year he can't fight the big boys, so he takes the cowards way out

@user-nh9hp1dh6w 2 ай бұрын

He learned from Claude Lemieux

@milesdanila-schmidt8834 2 ай бұрын

Cry about it

@sawyerlatta363 2 ай бұрын

@@milesdanila-schmidt8834🤓

@yeahitsme1401 2 ай бұрын

If only NHL would actually discipline guys. Getting a game here or there for a 82 game season is just laughable

@brodysimpson466 2 ай бұрын

That hit on Evan’s was just dirty af unforgivable

@Morpheen999 2 ай бұрын

Why? He's making a play with his head down.. Just because the net is empty, doesn't make you ineligible from being hit

@brodysimpson466 2 ай бұрын

@@Morpheen999 you must have been hit in the head to many times to know you can’t bolt down the ice & check a guy in the head as he’s scoring, that’s charging, illegal check to the head & the goal was already scored, one of the dirtiest hits, it’s a play that was over, jets lost the play, 0 reason to hit Evans

@Morpheen999 2 ай бұрын

@@brodysimpson466 He didn't bolt down the ice to hit the Evans.. everyone on the defensive team is flying back to try and prevent a goal against NOT to hit anyone, Evans was the one lacking brain cells to come out from behind the net with his head down.. He's gotta know a bunch of guys are coming.. and just because your wrapping the puck and the net is empty that doesn't make you ineligible from being hit, it was initiated before the puck went in the goal

@brodysimpson466 2 ай бұрын

@@Morpheen999 you’re clearly blind, scheifele clearly targeted Evan’s, very blatant, but t was a goal, he had no reason to hit Evan’s, you never see someone do that period

@Morpheen999 2 ай бұрын

@@brodysimpson466 For all Scheiflele knows that wrap could miss the net and he just finishes his check, or if Evans had his head up like he should've, he wouldn't of tried the wrap around.. He would've seen the hit coming.. Attacking players are still responsible for protecting themselves to some extent, it will always be that way.. It isnt always up to someone else.. Evans PUT HIMSELF in that scenario to get run over

@beesechurger9469 2 ай бұрын

Heavyweight fights pt. 3? Or is it pt. 4?

@joshc.6706 2 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a real bush league move by Makar. Such a dirty hit. Also the Jets number 27. Props on defending a fellow player when he was clearly out and couldn’t defend themselves and move.

@evensteven1950 2 ай бұрын

Props to you for making the thumbnail the first clip! 👏👍

@davidladen203 2 ай бұрын

Hughes hit solely on the late whistle. What else is Hathaway supposed to do

@politicalbandwagon4989 2 ай бұрын

You could say he could have gone in easier for the sake of sportsmanship but he also got pushed by Siegenthaler, so there was literally nothing he could have done to avoid that hit lol.

@plumpydumpy-el5gl 2 ай бұрын

late whistle but he knew the whistle was comming yet threw the hit anyway and siegenthaler did not push him..... hathaway clearly wanted that hit from the get-go. no suspension refs fault

@davidladen203 2 ай бұрын

@@plumpydumpy-el5gl play to the whistle, every player is taught that. So no whistle, play still goes on. Siegenthaler gives him a little shove and his momentum takes him into Hughes all before the ref blows for a late icing. They had plenty of time to call it earlier

@plumpydumpy-el5gl 2 ай бұрын

@@davidladen203 hathaway wanted that hit you cannot say he didnt. would you call cale makars hit late? whats the difference? the play was clearly dead and players had stopped playing yet both players went in for hits. its dirty

@monksgaming809 2 ай бұрын

Great sportsmanship at 4:13

@Le_Fenix 2 ай бұрын

1:18 holy *shit*

@TheSnapback 2 ай бұрын

Hathaway's was borderline, definitely not as bad as these other ones. He got pushed as well, and whistle was not blown. The refs were more to blame

@brittinea 2 ай бұрын

Jens95 always bringing me my hockey entertainment🔥🔥🙏

@stevecolantuono2284 2 ай бұрын

I have never seen Jack Hughes that pissed off before because of what happened to his little brother

@stevecolantuono2284 2 ай бұрын

Palmieri doing something like that surprises me as he never did anything like that during his time in jersey

@moose9689 2 ай бұрын

Poor McAvoy getting lit up here

@matthewsteinmetz729 2 ай бұрын

I'm a Rangers fan, the Panarin hit is whatever, keep your head up. Makar and Schiefele are so stupid, each deserved way longer than they got. Wilson should've been tossed

@shib420 2 ай бұрын

I mean Scheifele basicaly got suspended for the rest of the year

@douglasmurray4277 2 ай бұрын

Scheifeles was the only one in this whole compilation that wasn’t late and wasn’t after the whistle prove me wrong

@mrmercedes8528 2 ай бұрын

@@douglasmurray4277: TRUE - however He knew what the fuck he was doing Ridiculous- a hit like that is ridiculous Put yourself in the other players shoes

@aundruschkaivanhoe1347 2 ай бұрын

@@mrmercedes8528 you are actually suggesting that he should not have tried to prevent the other team from scoring. Sounds like one of those "we don't keep score" kinda people.

@mrmercedes8528 2 ай бұрын

@@aundruschkaivanhoe1347 ; nope - it was absolutely ridiculous……. MS was taking out losing on an opponents head …… I love hockey 45 years of it : but that was fucking 100% unnecessary- the pick was already in & the game was over …… he was just pissed Maybe take it out on your teammates or yourself …….. it’s a different story when the tables are turned

@salvatorerandazzo6598 2 ай бұрын

This video remind me of how biased the bruins commentators are

@lotsototso7710 2 ай бұрын

Had to skip them altogether lol

@OrcaMiniLop 2 ай бұрын

Okay buddy

@ollywhelan5377 2 ай бұрын

Rather sit in silence than listen to the Bruins commentary

@aundruschkaivanhoe1347 2 ай бұрын

Love them for it! Try watching your team's home game where the announcers are cheering for the other guys.

@chicco224 2 ай бұрын

It's almost has if they're the Bruins announcers! That's a crazy thing ain't it. 95% of ppl watching their game on NESN are Bruins fans.

@DasPizzaChit 2 ай бұрын

That Wilson hit on was a good hit

@d6u4 2 ай бұрын

How is the hit from Gudas on Kampf late?

@JOEZHK 2 ай бұрын

I love how pasta can never get any action bc the refs grab him so quick

@ceeinfiniti1389 2 ай бұрын

That first hit on Jared McCann is such a scummy move by Cale Makar. The guy did nothing wrong. He took an opportunity to have a breakaway shorthanded, took the shot, and skated off to the corner. He didn't slide to a stop and "snow" the goalie, he didn't do anything extra, and Makar just comes in and lays him out.

@jimboslice69420 2 ай бұрын

for sure, as a brand new spectator to hockey at the time things like that made it easy to pick out the biggest bonehead/immature losers to root against

@Chujometlofuk 2 ай бұрын

Based on Makar body language, I think he does not see the puck so in that speed he assumes McCann has it so he checks him. You can see he knows he did the wrong move the second he hit him.

@ceeinfiniti1389 2 ай бұрын

@@ChujometlofukHe was chasing him as McCann was skating with the puck and was watching as McCann took the shot. Then the whistle blew, then the hit happened. Ain't no way that's what Makar thought, not in a million years.

@blakewaters8195 2 ай бұрын

Makar thought the puck went into the corner with McCann. Pretty obvious to understand what was going on in Makar's head there if you have an IQ above 30 but you do you

@grellah 2 ай бұрын

You should get your ears checked the whistle was way late and Cale had no idea where the puck was. He made a check on a guy who had gone limp and then the whistle happened. Don't stop until the whistle (or even better don't be seconds late with the whistle)

@Cthylla417 2 ай бұрын

A one game suspension for Cale’s hit on McCann is such bs

@politicalbandwagon4989 2 ай бұрын

Eberle literally broke a guys neck later in the series and didn’t miss more than two minutes.

@moose9689 2 ай бұрын

@@politicalbandwagon4989cogs saw the hit coming and turned his back to it, this happened with the puck in the stands. Stop acting like they’re comparable

@SamAdams12oz 2 ай бұрын

@@moose9689I love that McCann is a ball of mush on the ice, then you hear the whistle.

@ectorreza9616 2 ай бұрын

Right ....he should have been given a trophy 🏆. Clean hit aye

@Rossski 2 ай бұрын

I can't think of a hit worse than this. Should've been suspended for the rest of the season.

@connorfraser93 2 ай бұрын

I hear no players, coaches, gm’s, owners, analysts or any other hockey media complain how sometimes rules don’t apply during the playoffs. Blows my mind. It’s gonna take someone dying on the ice for them to wake up.

@erinjenelle448 2 ай бұрын

That was A good stop

@inline9jake858 23 күн бұрын

Scheiffle’s hit wasn’t late, nor was it out of line. Keep your damn head up, especially during an elimination game in the playoffs.

@IlluSioN_Shell 2 ай бұрын

Playoff hockey * hits * different 🏒

@SaudiChimp 2 ай бұрын

i still dont see anything wrong with the hathaway hit and i have watched it like a dozen times

@Reese_Young 2 ай бұрын

Got a great idea let’s fight over the injured player 😂😂😂

@chriseason2785 2 ай бұрын

6:58 Tom Wilson hit was not late. He played the puck.

@29Alex029 2 ай бұрын

Can you post Moritz Seider first NHL fight?

@leonardmccannon3136 2 ай бұрын

That first hit reminds me of the old Dale Hunter cheap hit after a goal on Pierre Turgeon - just because he goes so far out of his way to make that hit. Hunter for 20 games for that one - although the outcome for Tuegeon was definitely worse.

@mam362 2 ай бұрын

The player still had the puck in the second one

@zacharyjeffares8158 2 ай бұрын

The thing that irks me the most as a hockey fan for the first hit is how it progressed. After McCann takes the shot a full two seconds go by before he hits the wall. Makar had no reason to hit him at all, but he PURSUED McCann into the corner to give him that cheap shot. Textbook looked the same type of play that happened in the Dale Talon incident. Absolutely disgraceful. Then later in the series, the refs give Jordan Ebrle a 2:00 penalty for boarding. It was excessive contact, bad position, and within a congested area with the puck involved. I wanted Seattle to win the series but with how the McCann thing happened earlier the controversy was unnecessary from strictly the games point of view.

@brankovdw6299 2 ай бұрын

I don’t understand the hockey officials just standing in a scrum and blowing the whistle. Like help out your linesmen to break this shit up. That what I love about lacrosse, we have 3 officials and they all have the ability to make penalty call or any other call. They also all get into scrums if needed. Makes way more sense than standing in the middle going tweet tweet, waiting for the linesmen to come in and break it up.

@Reese_Young 2 ай бұрын

lol Wilson talks the talk but when Reaves comes in he’s got nothing to say lol

@gibbs1966 2 ай бұрын

3:20 Well rat Jack that is a big fat lie

@davidwood1100 2 ай бұрын

I mean the Evans hit wasnt late, sure it was a charge but it happens just as he puts it in the net.

@g4111 2 ай бұрын

A late hit isn't always worse than a charge or elbow. He skated full force into him from the blue line and got the elbow in there too. That was tough to watch.

@bubs1195 2 ай бұрын

Yea true that what I was thinking, was defo dirty but not rly late

@Tiekariya 2 ай бұрын

Scheifele got off way too easy with that stupid ass hit.

@AstroZ99 2 ай бұрын

Clean, hard hit.

@hardanheavy 2 ай бұрын

Those commentators in the last scene are ever so slightly biased 🤣

@septclues 2 ай бұрын

against the refs?

@Deadzone090 2 ай бұрын

Sheifs might have been the only not late hit

@leokeesic3657 2 ай бұрын

Red Wings hit on number 10 was an illegal either. What kind of video is this?😅😅😅

@yeetskeet5529 2 ай бұрын

Ehlers is a real guy

@optionalLabor2289 2 ай бұрын

The fact that there’s at least 10 minutes of these is ubsurd

@gabelieman6138 2 ай бұрын

"Come back to bed" "No. New JENS95 HIT COMPILATION DROPPED"

@grellah 2 ай бұрын

Oh, great, another Cale v Eberle debate. Thanks jens for bringing this up again. Why not blame the linesman who had his whistle in his mouth on time but didnt blow it until after the hit. As far as Cale knew it was still live play and you play to the whistle. Boo Jens, you should know better.

@uscustomzauto 2 ай бұрын

Gudas hit was clean puck is loose, in possession no reason for a whistle to be blown on the play.

@YickZick 2 ай бұрын

Gotta be the biggest brain fart by Makar, like what the fuck was he thinking?

@ChocoLater1 2 ай бұрын

Easy to judge by no one is considering the reaction time.

@hockeykidwjm6865 2 ай бұрын

Honestly i didnt see anything on sheifles hit. Maybe charging, but it wasnt late, he was holding the puck up to just when he made contact, they said he couldn't do that because it was already in, but by the point of no return, it hadnt gone in yet

@Conada1002 2 ай бұрын

I loved that hit by Cale Hunter Beauty

@Beethoven1981 2 ай бұрын

Some on these hits weren't really "late" hits. "Unnecessary Hits" might be more suitable title for this video.

@jaktfalk1377 2 ай бұрын

Radkos is a late hit fine. But still not that late. Late reaction so for me that was fine and a bad hit. Maybe 2 minutes.

@richardgalaway7255 2 ай бұрын

God I hate the NESN announcers so much.

@patrickkelley6335 2 ай бұрын

The last one was on the linesman and the rules of the game.. too hard to call for the ref, to hard for the defender not to get it out, and definitely too hard for the forcheck to not make a play without a whistle… rule change please

@colemoffat9785 2 ай бұрын

Schiefele’s wasnt late, but was most definitely unnecessary

@Logo800 2 ай бұрын

🕵🏼‍♀️

@miatortilla2604 2 ай бұрын

Not gonna step up for ur teammate?

@viscotel 2 ай бұрын

bruins announcer classic rt

@AnnoyedLakeHouse-gb4gs 2 ай бұрын

The hit at 2:17 was clean

@young_beezer 2 ай бұрын

No it was way after the whistle

@adameshuis9550 2 ай бұрын

It started before though

@user-ri6tb2cf8f 2 ай бұрын

Late hits alright... let's rewind. After the whistle blows the opponent takes a hit in the boards from the another player. This penalty should be in the book. Unsportsmanlike. Could the refs should show some reason and take picture towards on that late play.

@pullhardgofast6260 2 ай бұрын

McCann just proving he has a cranium made of paper mache after that Makar hit lol

@Justthatguy1998 2 ай бұрын

No hit is ever too late on the bruins

@captainjohnson10 2 ай бұрын

Playoff hockey just around the corner 😎😎😎

@briancollins6878 2 ай бұрын

These younger guys need to learn respect.!

@Yo.its.__james 2 ай бұрын

Now the funny thing is, is makar did that against the rangers, he’s fucked, the rangers would target him Rempe, troubs, Lindy, schnieds, goody, he’s fucked

@richardcranium5801 2 ай бұрын

The most tame was the one against mcavoy. Bruins announcers: no trial, no jury, straight to execution.

@DDG683 2 ай бұрын

5:15 chin diaper 😂

@timothykeegan6298 2 ай бұрын

gudas hit on kampf was clean

@leokeesic3657 2 ай бұрын

55's hit wasn't late, and it was totally legal

@vanandrews2909 2 ай бұрын

McAvoy getting a little taste of his own medicine

@gabpayett 2 ай бұрын

gudas wasnt late at all for that hit, even tough he was late on so many hits

@cca73127 2 ай бұрын

I went back three or four times thinking I missed a whistle or something, nothing late or wrong with that hit.

@deangelovickers3393 2 ай бұрын

Do you guys actually not hear the whistle?

@cca73127 2 ай бұрын

@@deangelovickers3393After the hit, sure. Crowd might’ve drown it out, pretty sure if there was a whistle that a couple refs/linesmen missed it too. I’ll listen when I’m at home and there’s no background noise.

@cca73127 2 ай бұрын

@@deangelovickers3393Watched again with noise cancelling headphones on and it’s still a no go on the whistle, plus no refs arms up. Nothing wrong with that hit.

@vanandrews2909 2 ай бұрын

Caps announcer, what an absolute joke. Trying to play off Wilson’s hit like nbd bc it was into his chest. His partner had to make it clear it was a bad hit.

@icebox.hockey 2 ай бұрын

LETSGOOOOO

@aundruschkaivanhoe1347 2 ай бұрын

Literally half of these were not late. They may have been dirty in other ways but 2,6,8, and 9 were well timed hits.

@scottcooneymusic6736 2 ай бұрын

Not one leaf said a word to Gudas....bunch of gutless sallies

@duckhax3470 2 ай бұрын

maybe this is a hot take, but the scheifele hit was clean

@TheSnapback 2 ай бұрын

That's not what you do to defend a play like that, it was completely reckless. Clear charging, and it just wasn't necessary.

@apt981 2 ай бұрын

first one was clean

@mystic0maggot401 2 ай бұрын

How in the hell was it clean?

@StarkRaven59 2 ай бұрын

If you're blind and have dementia, maybe.

@Redlife666 2 ай бұрын

It's just ugly geometry

@Chawzyplayz 2 ай бұрын

Under hour gang 👇

@jonbod8996 2 ай бұрын

Colorado is a dirty team

@blakewaters8195 2 ай бұрын

cry more

@YungKilogram 2 ай бұрын

Scheifele hit wasnt late

@theWanderersnotebook 2 ай бұрын

You need your eyesight checked then

@Axel-1471 2 ай бұрын

scheifele is a dirtbag...

@W4rr4X 2 ай бұрын

@@theWanderersnotebook He's right, it wasn't late, Scheifele hit Evans half a second after Evans scored. It was a stupid hit, though.

@Maple_A 2 ай бұрын

@@theWanderersnotebook It's not late. It was charging, there isn't even half a second between the puck being put in the net and the hit. Evans was eligible for contact, but not the contact that he got.

@robbis262 2 ай бұрын

W hit

@WhitneyNewark 2 ай бұрын

Mark Scheifele deserved 25 games. Everything else was clean.

@aundruschkaivanhoe1347 2 ай бұрын

For what? A charge at best? Sure as hell wasn't late.

@gaberowsell9810 2 ай бұрын

Scheifele hit wasn’t late

@toddleroux4745 2 ай бұрын

Scheifele's hit was totally clean. Evans should have pulled up. Garbage. Garbage league.

@anthonydangelo3980 2 ай бұрын

Same thing with mark schieffle hit. WTF is he supposed to do? It wasn't late there was no elbow no nothing. He's trying to stop him from scoring in a playoff game. Dude that got hit needs to have his head up. Period its freaking hockey it's fast and physical if mark stops he's not hustling. Now could he have tried to stick check him yes but if you've ever played competitive hockey, i have from middle school through college and stick checking someone esp big guys doesn't work. Theyre too strong. You do what you're taught from 5 years old. Play the body and play hard til you hear the whistle. I lived for it and playing the body was my absolute favorite part. I would have trucked him too. Scoring like that in a playoff game you're going to have to pay a price. There was nothing dirty about that hit. Unfortunate there was an injury but it wasn't late or even a charge. Today's game is soft. Scott Stevens basically ended Eric lindros and Paul kariya careers with dirty and late hits. Try watching those and then these hits today and try saying they're same. Then you'll see what a real dirty hit looks like..

@robertmulligan7475 2 ай бұрын

Well, it was a clear and brutal charge... if he was trying to prevent the goal, he might have dived, gone for stick or basically anything else.