The journalists are overpaid too because all they do is replay the tory lies

Ya.

If they'd had any pay rises since 2010 they probably wouldn't be striking, it's ridiculous when they say that they had a pay rise last year, yeah a small one after a decade of pay freezes.

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@Gazr Gazr name a time in human history where this has not been the case. Countless generations have been fighting for the same things and never get anywhere. Save your energy and accept your place.

That’s exactly right. The independent pay review bodies are just a sham. Also, they have no legislative remit. Governments have in the past paid less than the pay increases recommended by the pay review bodies, citing “not affordable”. However, the government has always happily signed off in full any pay award recommended by the review body for ministerial salaries.

"marking their own homework..." Love that phrase! It is so right and really sums up the Tory mindset. Bravo.

20% pay rise is ridiculous..

@@melmatrix8212 Well, that’s how negotiations start, no?

@@jerome_morrow not really … you have to be reasonable.. no point negotiating with an unreasonable person

What good is power?

NHS is in chaos! My Sister in bed year waiting for Hip Replacement that takes two hours!

no nurse was furloughed all on full pay.Had a 7.5% rise this year.Tens of thousands return to warmer countries in winter so unions attack.Public sector pensions highest in world £1000 for every year worked.All hospitals have subsidised canteen.25% of nurses have second jobs.370.000 nurses 650 MPs

This is exactly what they want, the over expensive limited access US insurance health system is on its way to you very soon

@@Jack-fs2im You should be a nurse then since its so good.

Put me in charge. The next Harold Saxon😉

Exactly.

Hes a multimillionaire representing to him poor people. He can never understand what people on average to below average wages have to go through and I can guarantee they have to work for their pennies unlike him!!!

Gary's economics, debt and the fiscal black hole kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntyZjdN92dOzhXk.html

The thing about working an essential job is, you can be held hostage. The government can (and do) point at any patients who die and blame it all on those evil, selfish nurses. That, and there's a stereotype that those in "heroic" jobs do it just for the satisfaction of helping people, and those who ask to be paid for their heroism are vaguely unsavoury.

Do you make this up as you go along

Why does nobody ask them that?

650;MPs 370,000;nurses do yr sums on cost and the health secretary was a nurse

I don't think it's entirely fair to say they do VERY little work. There are probably more of them than is necessary, and consequently there are a fair few skivers. Reform is needed and the public should have a say in it, but given how badly wrong the public got the last big call we definitely need to rely on constitutional experts. Regarding pay: The government is effectively the "manager" of the country. The rest of the MPs are like the board of directors who are overseeing the performance of the CEO. Not a perfect analogy, but it sort of works. It does suggest a relatively high remuneration is expected at that level. I'm not entirely convinced that most of the MPs are worth it though. Ultimately it is a decision for voters.

We don't pay people in dollars.

@@duncanbrown4184 got the call wrong because most idiots get their information from the daily mail.

All public sector employees are paid time and a half for additional hours worked. Where did you get this crazy idea of unpaid hours lol

no nurse was furloughed like the rest of us.Hospitals have subsidied canteens.Nurses got 7.5% pay increase this year.Thousands go home to warmer countries in winter so the unions attack when we are at the most risk

nurses get highest pension in world £1000 for every year worked .Nurses can retire at:60

@@CarfilliotTeachers don’t get paid for the class planning and marking they do in their own time at home, just one example.

@@Jack-fs2im Nurses pensions are absolutely not the highest in the world. Not by a very, very long way. No nurse who started in the last couple decades will get close to £1k for each year worked

Just want them to give the correct just pay rises to the people who are striking. They don't want to strike but no other option. Remember striking means no pay.

you mean all MPs not just the Tories.

We do not know the true amount of money they have sent to Ukraine, it should be just as easy to pay our civil servant. 🙏🙏

@@jackjones4861 which party has been in government for over a decade?

Absolute Corruption comes to mind

It is better for the people to have a public health service, not a private health service.

@@prasanta5139 The private sector for healthcare is essentially non-existent in the UK. Healthcare careers aren't subject to the same market forces which ensures private sectors employees are fairly remunerated i.e. in the private sector companies have to offer competitive wages because if they don't employees won't want to work there which will harm their business. The NHS has a monopoly on the provision of healthcare and so with very little in the way of competitors they are able to set the wages as low as they like and get away with it. Much lower than free market system would value them, if you compare the wages in countries with similar sized economies.

@@prasanta5139 Its a joke to say the overwhelming majority of healthcare in the UK is delivered by the NHS? If we took your example as true then consider that 100% of the population require healthcare and yet you say only 10% of them receive that healthcare in the private sector, thats a tiny fraction and would be considered a monopoly not a free market system for labour. Also the private sector really only delivers certain aspects of healthcare like elective operations because it generates the most profit - you don't have private ambulances, private A+E and private intensive care so again this is not a free market system. Everyone knows that private hospitals are actually comparatively poorly equipped/staffed beyond doing low risk operations and that if you become unwell or have a complication the first thing they'll do is send you to the nearest NHS hospital - because as I say the overwhelming majority of healthcare is provided by the NHS. Monopolies in trade law for products are illegal because it means the monopolising company can set the price artificially sky high. Monopsonies like the NHS (where there is a sole buyer, rather than a sole seller) also have a similar effect on the price of labour where they can set the wage artificially low compared to what they would earn in a free market system, as we are seeing. You even said it yourself that monopolising keeps the cost of labour low, so you can't exactly be suprised that nurses are going on strike or leaving all together when you acknowledge the cost for their labour is being 'kept low' and the monopoly of the NHS means there is little in the way of alternate employers to which they can sell their labour. Of course, the public want services to be as cheap as possible but also as high quality. But you can't deliver a Michelin star health service on McDonalds funding. You seem to support free market principles as you said if nurses don't like their wage they should find a better job. I would say to you you need to extend that principle to healthcare and if you want a better product you have to pay a higher price. PS Nursing degrees aren't free last time I checked (I believe they used to be). Costs 9k a year like any other degree.

@@prasanta5139 Me and my partner both had private healthcare paid for by our employers, we never used it. I'm sure 10% likely have it but i'd like to know how many actually USE private health care. I can honestly say i don't know a single person who has ever gone private. While i'm sure some people use private healthcare saying it's non-existent isn't far off, and you saying "nice joke" is just incorrect and more of a joke than the former.

@@justadude8369 err... the NHS was fine 12 years ago when Labor was in charge.

Well look who’s coming back with whole new terms and conditions we need to make sure nobody accepts those jobs unless properly compensated before the mines open

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True! Lemmings all.

Yeah but that either goes across the board or it doesn't go. You cant have people paid by the taxpayer seeing inflation matching pay rises while the rest of the job sectors pay stagnates. Both in the private sector and at the bottom of the public sector

@@ricardosmythe2548 If one doesn't move first the other isn't going to. The public sector leads the private sector. We saw this when the government stopped bothering with inflation matching pay rises which gave private sector employers free reign to do the same. The whole country bar a select few have had their pay squeezed over the last decade or so. Inflation isn't caused by wage increases any more either, it's increased by millionaire and billionaire investors buying everything and pushing the prices for stuff up. Look at the housing market. It's a disgrace! Whenever there's a slump, these rich assholes buy all the properties up then rent them out at extortionate rates or just hold them back from the market so the few they do sell are worth more due to demand. They do this for all commodities. The private sectors who own all of our infrastructure and services do the same. They take all the profits and create more dividends for their shareholders rather than reinvest it into their workers, maintaining things or expanding. It's all a race to the bottom, to scrape every last penny from the barrel to enrich the already ludicrously rich while those making them the money are shafted and can barely afford to pay for these essentials.

@@TalesOfWar Lets get 2 things straight. Wages are driven as with anything else by supply and demand and the inflation were seeing is being driven by a huge increase in the money supply that hasn't been matched by a similar rise in gdp. That aside the country is running a huge public spending defecit that's adding to inflation because there having to print money to pay for it year on year. I'm happy to see pay rises on the front lines where those rises should be if there matched by streamlining spending and cutting out unessecary positions that have made the NHS and other depts the flabby uneconomical entity that they are today. In regards to the NHS the management and admin positions created under Blair and Brown would be a good start, then nullify existing PFI agreements banning any in the future, bring all GPs back on to the NHS's books. The problem has been created and it can be fixed but nobody wants to pull back on the gains they've made creating the issue and the public are so divided they cannot see the woods for the trees.

First they clapped them, now they slap them.

They deserve everything they asking for not just a clap

nurse deserve everything they ask for? I know it’s been storage for a while, they salary is very general in my opinion compare to others.

Applause are cheap.

Tory: What should we pay doctors and nurses? Sockpuppet: PEANUTS!!! Tory: Splendid idea, why didn't I think of that?

you for got drugs in house of commons

Spoken like true David Cameron!

@YesTube That isn't true, at all. They've had a 17% increase since 2010, but inflation has gone up 51% since. And £40,000 is just clearing decent if you live in London. It's hardly big money. Most nurses earn £33,000 a year on average across the UK, out of that they have to pay off £15,000 worth of fees to even qualify to be one. The government used to pay this, for the obvious reason that people who have these skills are important for a working society. The cost of living crisis has pushed many people over the edge from just getting by to having to skip meals or freeze in their homes because the gas is too expensive to put the heating on. If you're happy for these people who dedicate their lives to looking after and saving others then you may want to look in the mirror and reflect on some things. Also, 40K being above average is itself a disgrace and says a lot about how shitty todays working climate is. My father was on 30K, in the 90's, working in a warehouse. Wage stagnation and shrinking is a true failure of the system. The gap between rich and poor has never been as wide in all of recorder history as it is right now.

@@TalesOfWar yr funny when I grew up we played football in the street cos nobody had a car.Queued for the call box cos nobody had a phone.nobody had a passport.No take aways.Fathers cut hair and mended shoes.mothers knitted,sewed,cooked mince.liver.etc cos nobody could afford joints of meat.fire in evening only one room.costs on bed.No care homes many lived with grandparents.kids made their own toysb

@@TalesOfWar we are all richer and living longer than anyone in history

She's used to getting billed every 15 minutes by her gp

She's insanely cute 😍

Thought the same, what a plonker, but a reflection of this generation

@Roger Mellie state funded worker asks for more pay, state takes more tax off of them for increased pay

The only thing that bothers me is the nail service being on strike, I ordered lots of stuff online

Its political

I have private healthcare and I disagree with them. NHS isn’t fit for purpose.

@@SamuelBlack84 how can you worry about vanity at a time of national unrest. Lol

An organised phuk you lol

The angles of death are here. If Florence Nightingale had only known to get a payrise was to say give me an extra **% or I will kill your baby granny and uncle Tom Cobbley and all. Will the nurses be out clapping at the rising death toll? It seems as though the nurses have the same compassion as a serial kill. I would give the nurses a clap but they have all the antibiotics so no point in giving them the clap.

seriously man, these politicians are just unbelievable!!

Do you mean the Tory controlled "Independent" Review Board - that was established...........by the Tories, by any chance?

@@childofthe60s100 it awarded an extra 4.5% pay rise to nurses in October in addition to the 3% they got in march

Remember how many times we heard "sue grey"

Much like the IPCC. They just change the name.

Maybe they can maintain the infrastructure they use, perform medicine on themselves

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Same for the people who keep voting tories

Self -servatives

"IT'S THEE TIME NOW OF THEE LIONS". EVERYBODY HAS "THEIR" TIME WITH THE LIONS ! ! !

Not everyone has a family

The world owes no body a living ,supply & demand & market forces dictate rewards . If you can’t comfortably afford a family you are supposed to wait until you can . Most people in the county have never had it so good . This Tory government has been handing out money hand over fist to the great unwashed . The working class now have more luxury’s even on the dole ,than many who earned a decent wage plus overtime ,did a couple of decades ago..

@@maskedavenger2578 Market forces again, then pay up for the wages need to retain stuff, or does Market forces only apply to Tory Backers/mates down the pub.

@@chrissouthgate4554 I work in a warehouse and I take home monthly after tax £1,746... nurses and bus drivers earn more than me what are they complaining about ?

It's so sad to see the comments below... How people are brainwashed to think they should not ask for a comfortable life while working full time... And yes it is governments responsibility to make this balance... Nobody needs to work with worry of how will they pay their bills....

Australia is snapping them up. Paying them properly, paying to have them move there, help with housing, long term visa's and fast tracked residency and citizenship for those who want to stay. The weather is also better! The British government don't care though. They're all using private health care. The irony is most of the doctors in the private system are also in the NHS, so there's a good chance they're going to lose those folk too if they keep squeezing them all.

@@TalesOfWar Short-term thinking... shame. Seems they depend on teachers and nurses who they know don't want to abandon their duties... weak.

They don't want to

They got 3% in march and 4.5% in October

@@Jack-fs2im Ten year pay freeze

some nurses earn between 40 to 50 grand fact

@@grahamgazheads9739 Grade 6 can earn £90k all their pay is on the RCN website .hospitals have a subsidised canteen too

Violently thrown out preferably into the middle of the channel.

Yes! This government should be kicked really, really, really hard until the government has been kicked out of the government. The government must fall out the government after a really good, old-fashioned kicking! Kick it! Kick it, Mother!

Thanks for your well reasoned argument let’s have next in crayon

@@stephenwalker2924 oh dear

@@leighparr7961 hard man

They don't care - it is "I'm alright Jack", as far as the wealthy, uncaring, greedy politicians are concerned. They DO NOT GIVE A DAMN!

thats why the unions attack in winter when thousands go home to warmer countries and people are weakest and most at risk

I’m all for private healthcare. It’s cheaper and better.

@@TG-ts3xn how is private healthcare cheaper than free You also have access to private healthcare, no one's stopping you getting ripped off

Don' t underestimate the anti-union sentiment out there. The unions have been subjected to demonisation for as long as they have existed.

The government care about you in that they do not allow the nurses to hold the public to ransom.

About as much as the nurses, neither give a toss

@@dongmingzhu666 The NHS staff clearly didn't want this. This could have been completely avoided by providing reasonable working conditions and pay for the amount of effort they put in.

Where does the money come from??

@@dongmingzhu666 To correct your ignorance, The NHS is not and has not ever held the general public to ransom. Even during the rare instances of strike action in the past public safety has been a top priority for Unions to contend with alongside the withdrawal of labour. Even now these strikes will not affect emergency or immediate life-threatening care. Those with urgent needs may be negatively affected but that is the position this government has backed the workforce into. This strike has been avoidable from day one, It could have been avoided years ago during the austerity days if the government had invested in the NHS and not strangled budgets and slashed bursaries fueling chronic labour shortages that have led to the state we are in (High stress, intolerable working conditions, slipping standards of care and burnout). It also could have been avoided during this time by maintaining salaries rather than allowing inflation to shrink them leading to prospective clinicians rightfully looking elsewhere for careers either abroad, in private work or locum. It could even have been stopped during Brexit by toning down the rhetoric with the EU and allowing EU residents the right to stay provided they were working in essential services. Even today this could have been avoided (just like in Scotland) if the government had agreed to discuss (not promise, just discuss ) Pay. This government is a zombie government paralyzed and impotent, propped up in desperation by a ruling and media elite who are terrified that the lies, pain and misery of the last 12 years are coming home to roost. They aren't even trying at this point , its all about how bad they can leave things for those who come next.

Exactly. The same argument every time key workers strike. They're "disrupting" or "holding to ransom". The simple fact these people not being at work causes such problems proves the point that they're important and should be properly paid and looked after! Look at what happens whenever the Tube staff go on strike in London. The whole city grinds to a halt. If London isn't working the UK economy isn't working (thanks to its massively centralised nature). So PAY THEM properly! It'll cost far, far less to give them what they ask than is lost in that one day given the indirect costs involved with people not being able to get to work.

Privatising the NHS will help to pay whatever they ask for forget this public health service

@@ruperthayes6108 incredible that it worked directly after the last big war when the country was poorer than now, that is when private health was shown to be unhelpful for society, unless they are a Tory.

Dam Brooks you sound like a yank, in England we despise people like you. If you weren't so totally uninformed and ignorant you'd know what's planned next and what the result of privatisation will be. Fortunately there are few other individuals equally tetarded so your opinion is of zero relevance or importance.

@@leighparr7961 tetarded you say, is that akin to retarded which is similar to invalid as an outdated and abusive description to make those people with various mental health conditions into inhuman specimens, as the original St. Bethlem hospital for the mental health, the place in North London that is n9w Liverpool Street Station; and you were being critical of my lack of education, why pray tell?

Labour MP said NHS must reform or die. What an irresponsible thing to say. He obviously wants NHS to die so that his private insurance company can cash in. The new labour is no different when it comes to NHS. It all started under Blair.

It's the people who believe that who are the real problem.

I don’t think they’re necessarily greedy but if they don’t like it they can leave. No one is forcing them to stay. Get a higher paid job if that’s your priority.

650 MPs 370.000 nurses do yr sums on the cost.The Health Secretary is a nurse

To defend the MP's (which is something I don't generally like to do), the pay increases aren't something they vote for themselves, it's an independent body that does it. What should happen though is that during times like this, they shouldn't get one, or at the very least have it in line with inflation and no more. If it were up to me they'd get their salary and nothing more. No personal expenses, only ones directly associated with running their constituency like paying staff.

@@Jack-fs2im nurses are leaving in their droves hope you don’t need their help any day soon simple answer to your maths tax the corporations that avoid tax cap the bankers bonuses. tax the nom doms heavily tax the energy companies freeze the mps salaries for ten years BOBS YOUR UNCLE get the picture Jack

Most nurses are on £27.055 to £32.934

@@jocondie2069 THOUSANDS RETURN TO WARMER COUNTRIES IN WINTER SO UNIONS CAN CLAIM THEY ARE LEAVING AND THE OLD “MORALE IS LOW” THE UNIONS ARE ATTACKING WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE MOST AT RISK.POLITICAL ACTION

Patients come after extra money comes first remember big expensive holidays and eating in very expensive places are essential patients dieing doesn't matter these nurse are very kind

You’re nearly right. If nurses started leaving then the government would have to pay nurses more to make their wages more competitive in the employment market. My opinion is you can’t just pay everyone more because “they deserve it”. If the pay isn’t good enough for these workers they should leave. No one is forcing them to stay.

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I would advice you to trade your assets rather than hodl for a future you aren't sure about, only predictions.

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@@beverly8480 That's sum cool profit. I dream of that

EXACTLY THAT JANET ~ YOU ARE 100% SPOT ON ! ! !

Where did you get that number from? Their pay rise this year was £2200 from £82,000, which equates to around 2.5%. There sure are a lot of people like you who blame the government at every opportunity, instead of understanding that in society you get paid different based on what you do. If one had the aptitude, anyone could become a MP, or make a better living for themselves, and taking responsibility for the hardship you face rather than blaming somebody else.

NOTHING....NOTHING will make the Tories listen - THEY are comfortable, WARM and well provided for by all their scams, (unsuitable) PPE ILLEGAL profits and expense fiddles. THEY DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BRITAIN OR IT'S POPULATION.

Only if every working person goes on strike the only way to have any effect is a mass strike.

Who pays for these wage rises and please don't say just tax the rich.

Wages need to go up in line with fuel then all produce will go up to the level it needs to be to pay the wages. Fuel is what drives the economy as it is a universal product. This will remove the inbalance in costs but this can’t happen for 2 years. Capitalism can only work if the poor man has nothing.

The 1926 general strikers all returned on lower. wages cos the country was bankrupted.No nurse was furloughed all on full pay and given a 7.5% rise.Nurses work 3 days a week have highest pensions in world £1000 for every year worked.Hospitals have subdised canteens.Tens of thousands return to warmer countries in winter so the unions attack when the people are at their weakest

What rubbish

AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND MONEY ABROAD AND "THEIR" PAY RISES AND ANYTHING DODGY INBETWEEN. YO SLITHERY SUNACK, YOU ME AND A FULL BEDPAN AT HIGH NOON ,IS IT A DATE?????

Really? Where is the evidence? I love to know.

@@simpleinvirtue8481 The evidence for what? That non doms don't pay tax? Look it up, thats pretty much what non dom status means and Sunak will do nothing about a system that he benefits from his self because his wife has non dom status as a billionaire who pays no income tax at all

@@simpleinvirtue8481 Are you for real??? The first name fits.

@@simpleinvirtue8481 mong

This is a big part of why so many of this countries services, utilities and infrastructure is so utterly broken or close to it. Those in power don't come into contact with it, they're shielded from it with their wealth and special provisions. We should have a system like Sweden where their equivalent of MP's get no special treatment with things like expenses and travel. They're paid about twice what a nurse is (which is more there, because they value their health workers) and that's about it. They have to rely on public services like transport, health, police etc. They don't even get fancy cars to drive them around in, other than the Prime Minister which is for security reasons. As a result, public services in Sweden are actually... good.

@@TalesOfWar Could not agree more! We could learn a lot from all the Nordic countries. Not just Sweden.

What about the excess deaths along the way, I suppose you think they are not important.

@@patsmith8035 There's a very simple way of solving this issue, and that's to give nurses working in one of the hardest jobs there is, taking the lives of others into their hands, a decent wage. You know, so they don't have to use food banks and can pay bills? Show solidarity or shut up.

Labour will be better, but provided it's not the corrupt bunch from Tony's bash at it. A set of laws forbidding earning money from external sources, all earnings declared along with all expenses and all outgoings should be public, they are working a public jobs and should be paid proportional to the wealth of the people. And pay rises fixed to the same percentage as inflation, and the law should be pay rises for everyone be tied to inflation too. To build a good country, one with the greatest strengths you must have a good NHS and good education but the gov has cut them back so tight

SO WELL SAID!!!

p.s. - a bit unfair on The Muppets - I know of a better word for them!

Hate the system of vote for the less damage muppets. Should have a system that could bring out the candidates that who really capable and cares.

@Dennis "all earnings declared along with all expenses and all outgoings should be public, " yet this is being resisted for ministers by the current government.

Worker's need market competition, not government interventions. The reason why nurses pay is so low in the UK is because there is one monopolistic employer - the NHS. This means theres no incentive tp pay them a competitive salary, because there are no rival employers competing to buy their labour. A private system would undoubtedly be better for everyone who works in the NHS.

@@justadude8369 isn't the NHS already consuming 10% of nations GDP?

@@robinette4363Yes and yet the wages for the staff which actually provide the service like nurses is much lower than countries with comparable economies. This is because the NHS simply does not have an incentive to improve their pay.

@@justadude8369 Nothing to do with taking a 30 percent pay cut to supposedly help out pandemic efforts and still being around those levels of pay, it's sad to see that so many fail to see the worker's right at stake here, private and agency workers will have none, no public sector will also mean no monitoring of standards, which in the UK only tend to go down

@@burpeesandbeard232 But why do you think the NHS is able to get away with cutting their pay? Its because the NHS is pretty much the only employer of nurses in the UK meaning they have a monopoly. If the NHS paid its current wage to nurses in a free market the NHS would collapse overnight because no one would work for it if they had the choice.

Why haven't you started a nuclear war yet? I want to watch this world get torn apart😆

No it doesn't, I work in the private sector and the pay is absolutely awful, our sickness policy is shameful, 3 days and then it is SSP and we don't have the unions to help us. We are on our own at the mercy of greedy corporations. There is corruption everywhere. Absolutely agree with you about everything else.

Nurses get paid a decent packet for the three 12 hour shifts they do a week. The clapping has made them think they're something other than nurses, which was the profession they chose. They're meant to CARE but clearly they don't.

Reminds me of the internet provider's message in the old day when data plans are not popular. Internet down, gave them a call, recording keep telling you to go to their site for self-help options. 😅

"Computer says no"

Keyboard not detected, Press F1 to continue.

@ That was when they should have gone on strike

How is this capitalism? This is as a direct result of NOT having capitalism. This is what socialised medicine is like. The NHS which operates as a state sponsored monopoly employer of nurses has absolutely zero incentive to pay nurses a competitive wage because its not like nurses can leave and find a job with a rival employer, because there are none. In a freemarket capitalist system employers have to offer a wage competitive within a labour market because the cost of having poor working conditions and salary is that no one wants to work for your business compared to your rivals' and it will suffer as a result. No matter how awful the NHS is (for both patients and staff) it will receive billions in tax payer money every year. As long as the NHS exists, nurses and all other staff will not be paid near what their true market value is in a fair system.

In Capitalism, you have to pay people, in Socialism people have to work for free.

@@coolbuddydude1 Cool slogan. No resemblance to reality, but cool slogan.

@@DJWeiWei Of course theres industrial action in the private sector also but this tends to be in lower skilled jobs. Nursing is a high demand job which requires a degree level education and thus in a free market whereby supply/demand forces are unobstructed this should mean a competitive wage. You even say it yourself - 'market principles right up until the discussion of wages'. The reason market principles don't apply after that point is because there is no market! Nurses have had to endure pay cuts year on year because there is no alternative place for them to work, they are effectively held captive within a system where there is no free market, no alternate employers to whom they can sell their labour which means there is very little incentive for the NHS to offer them a competitive salary. We can debate whether fully socialised medicine in 21st century Britain is the most effective means of delivering healthcare but my point was that a lot of this 'efficiency' comes as a result of the wage suppression a socialist system can get away with as a result of their monopoly status as an employer. The wages that can be earned by nurses and doctors in countries with comparable economies is, no exaggeration, multiples higher than the NHS. The low wages of NHS staff effectively subsidise the service which is why I say as long as there is a single, socialised, monopolistic employer and not a freemarket capitalist system, the wages of healthcare staff in this country will never be what they would earn in the freemarket.

@@DJWeiWei To a certain point but if you suppress wages too much you are going to make the service less efficient (as in right now) because people will leave eventually. You have to consider the international market as well and healthcare is a global skill. Go to any Australian hospital and you will find no shortage of disaffected British doctors and nurses earning multiple their NHS salary for much less stress.

They'd prefer you give them a slap and force them back to work with 0 pay.

@@chadimirputin2282 excellent comment sounds about right

Yeh support our nurses pay them 250k per year then sell the NHS to Richard Branson excellent idea

@@ruperthayes6108 stop talking shite.

I think you'll think differently if someone dies because of them going on strike.

Or they can leave if they don’t like the pay and get a better paid job. Let someone do it who doesn’t want to strike and potentially put peoples lives at risk. Just saying

@@douglastaggart9360well emergency staff are still doing there job and people are going to die not just because of the strike you know the government could end this by taking money out of there own pockets and paying crucial staff which are needed for the country

@@basketcase297omg bruh they need the money due to the currency crisis for what they do they deserve better pay and you are gonna lose thousands of staff basically leaving the NHS bare bones

@@Holychicken232 ok firstly everyone is experiencing the cost of living crisis, and with their average wage, according to their own website, being £642 a week they’re hardly on minimum wage. Secondly, the “deserve” argument is nonsense. There are lots of people who you could argue deserve more than footballers for example. So are we going to start paying them over £300,000 a week? No, that’s nonsense. And finally yes, they should leave, because guess what? If they started leaving the government would have to start paying them more to be competitive in the employment market. That’s basically how peoples wages work.

The funding that goes in is high, the problem is it doesn't go where it's needed. There are far too many third party private entities involved in the chain that skim the cream off the top and by the time it's gone through all of those extra steps, there's not much left for those who are actually doing the job. We need to bring back full public control of the whole chain, and properly regulate the private contractors where it makes more sense to use them for certain things. We need to do this for all of our critical services and infrastructure like the energy and water utilities, or transport.

@@TalesOfWar the funding is not high as a percentage of the gross domestic product of the country USA 16% I think it was and the UK is only 8 or 9 % last I checked. I agree that we need to remove the private companies channelling NHS funds and taxpayers money to private profit making companies.

And all with a looming war, the recent loss of the Queen and the third prime minister in 6 months. I feel deeply for the military, I was very close to joining at one point before working in the NHS so it's an alternate life I ponder regularly. From my experience, people care. There's a family like solidarity amongst those working in public services which includes the NHS and the military. Many of my colleagues in the NHS have family in the military, some trained in the military to be a nurse themselves. I myself have friends in the Navy and the Army. It's not the nurses fault the military are taking on these extra duties, it's Rishi's, he can stop it before it starts but he won't.

But not eighteen percent which is greedy

But it's acceptable for none key workers to go to food banks?

Some nurses go to food banks because they're not on 35 k as assumed. If they all are then they shouldn't be striking.

@@davebirch1976 no its not

@@Andrei-Marian I don't think the majority of nurses are on 35k. It's senior staff nurse you must be thinking of?

@@davebirch1976 not at all.

@ Ian Grant They want the nhs to fold an American style healthcare system is an opportunity for shares more money for their offshore accounts

A conversation that British absolutely need to have is... having fees to use the NHS. Not huge ones like America but small ones that even Sweden charges

I fully agree with you Robert

Moving there in a few months 😇

Maybe tax the rich buddies of the Tories? Money spent excising the cancerous influence of Russia is good money.

It's strange we didn't hear nothing about Ukraine before this war most people didn't know Ukraine existed

What I find ironic is that the current government is spending £700,000+ PER DAY on UNUSABLE PPE. That money 💷 could help fund all the NHS, rail, ambulance, Royal Mail, etc.

@@frothe42 But that goes to the pockets of their friends and donors! Clearly money well spent. /s obviously.

Thank you for mentioning the private sector! We are struggling to accommodate the NHS backlog and the patients who cannot see their GPs (what do GPs even do?!) who are triaging online... still. We are the only outpatient centre apart from two main hospitals where I live and we are absolutely inundated and stretched to the hilt.

@@PrettyinScarlett03 I totally agree with you, I really would like to know what are the GPs are doing, like seriously! I once went to my previous GP, years ago, who scolded me because I had a minor additional issue on top of the main one I wanted to talk to her about. Her direct quote and I will not forget this for the rest of my life was ‘if you have a second issue you book 2 sessions not one! I don’t have time for this!’ - when we were only 5 minutes into our 10 minutes slot! I feel for the doctors and nurses who are stretched in hospitals, real respect for them having to work so hard! The government needs to provide them with more colleagues and user-friendly technologies, so they’re not as stressed as they are now. The GPs on the other hand, feels like a career some doctors go into as they want to make a decent living but not having to do much. Some of them literally just sit on their butts and google medications all day long! I joke you not, my partner has been trying to go private (for a health checkup) under his own insurance for this whole year, all the insurer required was a confirmation letter that the GP needed to fill to confirm it was not a pre-existing condition. We handed in the letter back in March and it is now December, we’ve been calling them, visiting the practice for updates so many time! And they still have not done it! We’ve given up by this point.

@@PrettyinScarlett03 There are 10,000 vacancies for doctors and 47,000 for nurses in the NHS. This is why they cannot see their GP's. There aren't enough of them. A lot of GP's offices have shut down and merged with others as doctors retire too, and they aren't replaced with new doctors, so a GP who used to have say 2000 patients now has 4000 because that one who retired didn't have someone else to take them on.