NI's Alicia's Keys vs Pianoteq's YC5 🎹

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3 жыл бұрын

philbestmusic.com/ Using Pianoteq's YC5 and Native Instrument's Alicia's Keys I demonstrate how there are pros and cons to physically modelled pianos and sampled pianos, depending on how you choose to use them.
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@simbaking6338 9 ай бұрын

I have both & use them live....they both are used for different purposes as they both give off a different vibe depends on the type & style of music ur playing....I love them both.

@kayosiiii 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, one of the areas I hear the biggest difference is in the sympathetic resonance between the two instruments particularly in the sustained sections. The NI piano sounds very cloudy here and the pianoteq sounds much more realistic. I could see this as sometimes being a benefit as I think having each note played as if it were the only note being played can make the sound more consonant similar to the way that guitarists will mute unplayed strings.

@calikokat100 2 жыл бұрын

i love both...your playing is ...breathless

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@codevyper Жыл бұрын

I own both as well. In your example, I’d say along with the ability to get more expressiveness out of the Pianoteq, it sound like the velocities are hotter compared to the NI and it sounds like it’s more closely miced than the AK piano. I’d bet if you tweaked the velocity curve more and pulled the mics back on the Pianoteq it would sound even closer. But that’s another facet of Pianoteq that made it my go to for live performance. I often times don’t have the time to wait for a sample set to load between songs and the Pianoteq, being a modeled piano loads instantly when switching patches on MainStage than I get with sample based instruments.

@manny_f 3 ай бұрын

From what I've read you can tweak all of that, velocities etc.

@fazioliu1526 3 ай бұрын

never adjust velocity curve, other than to complement the digital piano's action. use the voicing instead. by using velocty to voice your sound, your are moving the problem somewhere else.

@mikeywisniewski 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. You articulated the differences elegantly. It's very satisfying to more clearly understand how and why our chosen instruments work (or doesn't work). There are still going to be hard-headed people who will push for one side or the other, but I think there's a larger - less vocal majority that's smart enough to pick the right instrument for the job.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciated! It's great we have such an abundance of choice!

@robertevvers9493 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic comparison! I have always loved the Roland pianos for exactly this reason. They truly sing when you play, from gentle ballad playing to aggressive blues performing. The sampled pianos have an art exhibit quality as opposed to being a living, breathing organism. They are a marvel and sound very much like the real deal. However, they don't play like it unfortunately and are less musical... They each have their purpose, but performing is generally more fun on a modeled piano sound. And the sound is close enough for me to be happy

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's a great description of sampled vs. modelled pianos!

@jamesorr1200 3 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what any of this is, but I could listen to you play for quite some time. Beautiful.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Aw thanks!

@kruimel66 3 жыл бұрын

The difference very well explained....very few people I think have given so much attention to this as you did, Phil.....

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Much appreciated!

@TheIvoryman 2 жыл бұрын

Phil, I want to thank you for the pleasure of being able to hear you play. I very much enjoy the true expressiveness of your playing. The sound clearly opens up and the expressiveness is noticeably better in Pianoteq, than it is with Alicia’s Keys. The ‘Blume Factor’ you mentioned, simply isn’t present in the sampled piano. The sound just seems to be more confined in Alicia’s Keys.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you like my expressive approach. I must admit, I haven't tried some of the most recently developed sample-based pianos. There's a felt one in Cubase 12 (which I haven't installed yet) that might be good to try. I'd be surprised if it has the aliveness of Pianoteq's modelled sound.

@JoseVGavila 3 жыл бұрын

Very, very interesting explanation Phil, I think you nailed it

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :-)

@JoseVGavila 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic By the way, thanks to your videos, I am back to use my Pianoteq 7 Standard, which was displaced by VSL Synchron pianos. But now I appreciate its subtleties and am able to get better sound from it than before. Even the U4, which sounded harsh to me and lots less realistic than the VI Labs Modern U, now sees some use. Great!!!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

That's great! When you play them sympathetically, with feeling, they respond expressively...

@TheFlamingPiano 3 жыл бұрын

Normally I'd just say it's simply that good samples have a more authentic sound while Pianoteq has a more authentic feel, but you have very interesting insights! I also thought the sound was all just from note velocity. BTW what mic settings do you use for Pianoteq? Or is it unchanged from the original preset?

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

My ideas about how Pianoteq and acoustic pianos respond to intention can seem a bit wacky (even to me) but I feel it... I'm not in my studio right now, but I think I changed the mics to a standard audience setting. I'll check and if that's wrong, I'll get back to you!

@minesadab 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting comparison 👍 The biggest difference to my ears was the velocity response of the two pianos. During the MIDI playback, the Pianoteq piano sounded like the notes were being played too hard, which can often sound robotic, like a beginner playing.

@frogsdogs 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agreed with this statement as this was done at the intro. However, there are so many parameters on Pianoteq that can be adjusted including velocity response, hammer hardness, easily adding realistic imperfections, etc. So I don’t know if this was pianoteq at it’s best.

@flame2fame_music Жыл бұрын

I share the same opinion

@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын

It's louder, brighter, and edgier. I think the sampled piano sounds, objectively, waaaaay warmer and more natural. But, I think if you told Pianoteq to move the "mics" further away, soften the hammers a bit, and maybe randomly detune the strings from each other just a tiny, tiny bit... it might go a long way towards equalizing the two presets.

@lundsweden 8 ай бұрын

I wonder how version 8 of Pianoteq stacks up? Version 9 is probably out later this year too. In my opinion, each generation of Pianoteq gets better, more natural sounding, whereas sampled pianos probably peaked 5-10 years ago.

@PhilBestMusic 8 ай бұрын

I won't be comparing PTQ 8 to anything. There are probably videos out there that do that. To be honest, I'm not a fan of this video. I did it with too little consideration and I made an error with the levels. Comparing one thing to another competitively is not my nature really. I suppose I champion subjective taste. But I still suspect I'd find samples sound very realistic but provide a less playable feel.

@CoisesFoiledAgain 3 жыл бұрын

This is just speculation, but I've always suspected the difference in something like Pianoteq is in the way the notes interact with one another and the soundboard, case, etc. When you think of it, playing a C, an E and a G on a sampled piano is like playing the C on one piano, the E on another piano and the G on a third. The software makes an attempt to simulate sympathetic resonance, but each sample is still a sample of one note being played by itself. I have no idea what actually goes on inside Pianoteq - I strongly suspect that it's not quite literally a physical model, but rather an abstract model that does its best to mimic the results a true physical model would produce with vastly simpler and faster computations - but my impression as a player is that it develops the interactions of notes in ways a sampled piano cannot. Especially in passages with a lot of pedal, it lets the player build up sound and energy more like a physical piano would.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds plausible!

@paullebon323 2 жыл бұрын

I think that same thing. Pianoteq isn't slapping effects on a static sample. It changes how all of the various modeled components interact with each other. No sampled piano can do that.

@jonsellors269 2 жыл бұрын

I think you're on to something there, sympathetic resonance must be the reason. Seeing as computers are 100s of times a powerful since the days of the ground-breaking (albeit duophonic) Yamaha VL1 in the mid-90's, I do wonder what things will be like 10,20, 30 years from now assuming that Moore's Law continues. Will the additional CPU power allow for greater detail in the algorithms that result in a more faithful reproduction? Or do we already have enough CPU grunt and its up to the likes of Modartt to build upon and tweak the models the've already created? probably a bit of both I'd say 🤔

@SteveHorne 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Roland with what they call the "supernatural" sound engine and it seems to combine samples with modeling. I can hold down the sustain pedal, for example, and strike a high key and I can hear the resonance like you would on an acoustic piano. Without the pedal being held, it is a single string being played. It is combining that with samples, not like PianoTeq, which is 100% modeled, but it is nonetheless quite impressive.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you about the dynamic layers. My RD2000 can put out even more increments of velocity which Pianoteq can realise and it feels great. These things make no difference on a level of conscious (i.e. measuring) awareness but they do affect the very subtle, almost unconscious but significant "feel" of an instrument. For me Pianoteq has already reached the point where I'd struggle to tell the difference between it and a recording of an acoustic piano . People often ask me about the piano on my released recordings that have used Pianoteq and are frequently in disbelief when I tell them that it's not a real piano!

@thjs Жыл бұрын

interesting point to consider when using one or the other.👍🏽

@PhilBestMusic Жыл бұрын

:-)

@WoodyGamesUK Жыл бұрын

When I played Pianoteq 8, for the first time in my life, and even on a very average keyboard, I had the impression that I was playing on a real piano, in fact I could forget about the keyboard, it's as if in my mind it was replaced by a real piano. And the strange thing is that I don't always find that it sounds that great, in fact there are times when I find it sounds too metallic and artificial, especially in the mid-range. So less realistic than a sample-based piano in many cases, but there is an organic quality, expressiveness, that makes it worth it nonetheless (I wish it will keep improving, I'm sure it will). It feels that the sound comes from your fingers, in a similar way that on a real piano the sound comes from the hammers that are activated by your fingers. Different process, but same idea.

@lundsweden 8 ай бұрын

I agree. Pianoteq 8 is so good, it's come a long way since 2005- it sounded like crap back then!

@curt300s 2 жыл бұрын

Well done.

@paullebon323 2 жыл бұрын

Pianoteq all the way. And as someone who owns Pianoteq Pro Studio Bundle and a bunch of sampled piano libraries, let's not forget that Pianoteq and its instruments are constantly tweaked and updated. I was in the test group for Pianoteq 7. In contrast, sampled libraries are rarely re-recorded as recording technology advances. I've had Ivory II for 10 years. They've had 1 or 2 updates to the software but NO NEW SAMPLES IN A DECADE.

@heisenbergwalter3363 2 жыл бұрын

you should bye ears :) Native instruments Piano here sounds 100 times better

@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын

I don't disagree with your stance that synthetic instruments are continually improving. However, if a sampled piano was recorded 10 years ago, uh.. why, exactly, does it need updates again? Has recording tech really improved so much since 2012 that the samples taken then are no longer relevant? IMO, if they did it right, they'll still be good ten years from _now._ I don't think we're going to drastically improve noise floor, or resolution, in any meaningful way. At some point, until we're able to capture and store some kind of audio holography, they're pretty much evergreen, I would think.

@peteragoston-petrosthemusi8260 Жыл бұрын

It is very important to me : catching the physical happenings (in kbd & strings) via artistic approach. So I really enjoy your thoughts. The only difference between samples and physical modelling - what I do find- that the sampled strings reacted the full vibration of the kbd mech. It means that the stronger you 'beat' the claves the harder the hammer neck and other moving parts reflect with trembling. To be short : the hammer moves in non-linear path speed wise. The #pianoteq has no sensors in the keyboard to receive that kind of momentum. (yes I was working on this subject 30 ys ago but we also had no laser to measure the things - so it was cancelled)

@PhilBestMusic Жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff!

@michaelschnell5633 3 жыл бұрын

I fully agree that with your impro, the Pianoteq feels a lot more expressive - while slightly less natural. I understand in the end it depends on the mutual (!!!) feedback between the sound engine and the player. I myself never do midi programming but only live playing, for myself and with my band. I did use Alicias Keys for some years and I decently considered to switch to Pianoteq. But when Native Instruments released the Grandeur, I switched to same, as for me, same really nicely adapts to my kind of plying (using the really great Kawai VPC1). It feels natural and expressive, while my tests with Pianoteq felt a lot less natural.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Well, each to their own, eh?

@philsipad 2 жыл бұрын

There is a HUGE difference between a sound for recording vs a sound for playing. A sound that is good for playing is perceived from the player's perspective, which is right in front of the keyboard, where the nuance and the dynamics of the sound are very much different from the sound the audience hear which is how most recordings are made.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! That's why Pianoteq has moveable virtual mics. I put them in the player position to play and move them to the audience position for the final recorded sound.

@Zoco101 3 жыл бұрын

The video has touched on an interesting topic: Realism versus musicality. As I keep saying: what works, works. Acoustic pianos are useful reference points, but a digital piano in hardware or software doesn't have to sound exactly like any particular acoustic piano. Ideally, it will give you the best possible expressive opportunities, with the technology that's available at the time, and it will serve well (or better) in some of the existing acoustic piano applications. If that means it ends up sounding almost the same as an acoustic piano... Fine! If not, it might mean that we've succeeded in something taboo: Improving on the sound of the acoustic piano. Well maybe not this year, but let's think outside the box. Software realities: I have a sincere question to ask. Do any of you VST pianists prefer your own rig to playing on an acoustic mid-range grand piano? We know that many of you have high quality samples (or modelled patches) based on the best concert grands. Hardware realities: I've seen & heard the old RD250 blaze through jazz gigs. Did it sound anything like a concert grand. Not on your life! Could it have been used for a satisfying performance of a piano concerto? Of course not! But it worked very nicely in more modest applications, even when the acoustics were totally unfavourable to an acoustic piano. What works, works.

@lundsweden 8 ай бұрын

I'll be honest, yes I've owned real Pianos, and the Pianoteq model of them not only sounds better than the model it's based on, but plays better too. Maybe if I had my real piano retuned regularly, felts and hammers repaired/replaced, it might've sounded as good as Pianoteq, but I have become accustomed to dialling in the Mint-worn slider to fit the mood of each song, how to do that on a real instrument? Not possible! Plus I also can choose between half a dozen models, I'm going to need a very large mansion and up to $1 million to buy my real Steinway, Yamaha and Fazioli grands, Rhodes Mk1, 2, 5 and 8, a couple of Wurlis, a Pianet etc etc!

@PhilBestMusic 8 ай бұрын

@lundsweden I totally agree. My tuning/voicing bills used to be huge. And the luxury of having a fleet of instruments is very enjoyable! I do enjoy the character of a real piano but living in a London flat, I just don't want to sacrifice that much of my space.

@toobvu 3 жыл бұрын

You've articulated the realism / expressiveness tradeoff well, thank you. I discovered this many years ago with the Roland MKS20 module, that used a very unnatural SA Synthesis engine compared to Pianoteq 7. While realism was poor, playability was quite satisfying. In your demo, I prefer the air and smoothness in the NI Alicia's Keys piano. With Pianoteq, I would invest in creating presets to better match what I like about the NI samples; probably starting by pulling back the low-mid density to a create a bit more air. As you've noted, this is all highly subjective. One other aspect of modeling versus stereo sampling is the ability to control phasing issues caused by microphone placement. I favor pianos that hold up well when played in mono; phasing issues become readily apparent, but they also exist in stereo playback. For most sampled pianos, I've been running BX-Control V2 or similar, where I can mono-ize up to perhaps 190 Hz which anchors the instrument in the mix while preserving stereo space. I'm guessing this would be unnecessary with modeling.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comments. It's so great what you can do with the mics in Pianoteq and astonishing how the slightest change can make a big difference!

@janvandyck9375 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this refreshing take on what's become a beaten-to-death debate. It helps to explain why some people still have an aversion to Pianoteq. I do like the intimate, close-miked timbre of Alicia's Keys -- this is a sonic area where Pianoteq still struggles a bit, I find. Having said this, Alicia's Keys sounds noticeably less cohesive than the YC5. I'm tempted by Native Instrument's Noire, which also has a nicely intimate timbre.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment! These things are subjective but I'm finding that I quite like the CMC6MK4 mics for very intimate setups...

@janvandyck9375 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic I tried this out and it works great! Changing the mics to CMC6MK4 for the NY Steinway Jazz preset gives exactly the intimate, woody tone in the midrange that I thought Pianoteq wasn't very good at. My admiration for Pianoteq continues to grow -- it really is a technological marvel. Thanks so much for the tip!

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

That's great! Glad you found it helped!

@mfurman 3 жыл бұрын

I got YC5 and I am very much looking forward to your opinion, Phil. I practically only use Steinway D NY and C. Bechstein

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I like the YC5! I pretty much like all the pianos in Pianoteq: each one brings something different. My tendency is to use the NY Steinway all the time, but I intend to play more with the others!

@mfurman 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic Thank you Phil. I value your opinion

@eylab1541 Жыл бұрын

Funny. I muted the video before you said which one you were going to play each time, so I effectively did not know which was which. I found I still liked NI's piano more. Maybe cuz it's the one I am used to, as I own that.

@GFhornet Жыл бұрын

I just bought YC5. I wanted it since i saw this video. It has a different, very nice, melodic and simple tone, not as complex, 3D and sophisticated like other Pianoteq 7 pianos. But it has it uses for sure. In some pieces it is perfect! My only complain is that its presets are very few, comparing with others, only 5-6 (I have PT Stage)... Also Modartt did not upgrade it in Pianoteq 7,5 like the others.

@PhilBestMusic Жыл бұрын

I know, it would be nice to have more presets but I do like its straightforward tone.

@rossminet Жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic With Pianoteq Pro, you can tweak almost everything, if you're a tweaker. I have Ni's The Grandeur and I never use it. The velocity curve adjustment is much more detailed in Pianoteq.

@stargator4945 2 жыл бұрын

I think a modeled piano does make more fun to play at it has a much larger variety to respond to my playing than a sampled one. I think playing on a real YC5 is also not as smooth as playing on Alicia's Piano. That seems to be a special build to have a different bridge and soundboard tuning to reflect her kind of Music. The question is, can Pianoteq make a variation of the YC5 to resemble those differences as close as possible? Can it be done manually on the pro level or does Pianoteq create a new version of the YC5 with a smooth Jazz setup to do this?

@zumadale 2 жыл бұрын

I agree..pianoteq for live performance.

@cocchiaf 3 жыл бұрын

Phil, that's AMAAAAZING! Very very very interesting. I totally agree with you and think main differences come from resonance/mutual influence that only modelling can achieve. Said that, AK has a very soft and enjoyable sound, but perhaps for pianists like you PT is unbeatable. What about a new video about Fazioli 308 on PT? Can you do it, please? THANKS!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! You'll have to pursuade Modartt to make the Fazioli model... I think there are quite a few people wanting it. I'd be thrilled. Maybe they'll do it soon...

@MrFn65 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic I’ve spoken to Modartt about a Fazioli model and they are looking into it. I’m the Fazioli dealer in Toronto Canada , Pianoteq 7 user, reseller as well but I can’t provide them the instrument to work on unfortunately. Yes I think we Pianoteq users would love them to put all the other ‘Italian Grand’ samples to shame…..

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

That's exciting - so I might have those rich tones coming from my fingers soon...

@glueckssilben 3 жыл бұрын

Every sound is calculated for your parameters: Velocity, Release velocity, exact tuning, already resonating strings, exact damper movements... Samplers try to mimic that. But, even though they come with a lot of samples, it will always remain quite sophisticated cheating which clearly has its limits. I use Pianoteq for years, and in combination with my Yamaha N1X, I by far prefer this to an expensive acoustic grand piano. My favourite Pianoteq model is the Steingraeber.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

The cost of a piano that feels as good to play as a decent digital setup with Pianoteq would be exorbitant. That said, if I had that space, I'd still have an acoustic grand piano!

@aatreya 8 ай бұрын

4:29 I think there may be a misunderstanding here about how Pianoteq works. It is just processing note on and off MIDI data, with a velocity parameter. So if you’re playing a single note, there should be zero difference in the sound if those numbers are the same regardless of “how” you play it.

@glennmckenzie1096 3 жыл бұрын

Do you alter the 'condition' parameter on the Pianoteq. In preset form it's going to be 'perfect' in tuning, while even a freshly tuned sampled piano will have some digressions from the mathmatically ideal. Moving the setting away from 'mint' towards 'worn' (perhaps in a 20 -35 range intially) IMHO seems to give a more 'real' sound - especially as then the modeling can also reflect this through the harmonic interactions of the notes within chords.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Yes the condition slider is really useful for a bit of real world believability.

@AlanMorrisTV 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Phil, you are right, the NI Alicias Keys have less dynamic variations, which can be good for some music genres or some productions. If you want more expressions, then you are better with Pianoteq. But you should definitely try out the VSL Vienna Piano stuff. I got me the Vienna Imperial around 11 years ago (Pianoteq was not that good back in those days) and really loved it. They recorded 1200 samples per key (!) and finally I was able to use the expression I knew from real piano playing. In the last years I got me the Vienna Synchron Steinway D and the Bösendorfer library. I really enjoy the last one to play. Everytime I compare with Pianoteq, Pianoteq sounds unnatural to me.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure VSL is great but the thing is, I'm really happy with Pianoteq, and being a Yorkshireman, I don't like spending money on things I don't need...

@AlanMorrisTV 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic I see and understand that you don't need it, as you get great results with Pianoteq. I only got Vienna stuff because I'm too passionate about playing the piano and am enthusiastic about the real sound quality of a virtual product in the studio. At home, however, there is a small Yamaha grand piano but less time to play it often. ;)

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I'm also very passionate about playing the piano!! :-) But for me, Pianoteq provides everything I want, right now.

@mariodezutter3641 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you can compare a sampler with pianoteq, because pianoteq sounds like a real instrument. Last time i make a record and it doesn't sound the same as when I play with pianoteq. (or maybe it's a feeling) There is so much more when you play in reality: the sound of each key or pedal .

@donlakakwaaijazz5220 Жыл бұрын

first example is about the velocities...if you reduce the midi velocities down for Pianoteq,it would sound similar

@PetrGladkikh 2 жыл бұрын

3:00 I think reducing "dynamics" would make it sound a lot more like sampled one.

@matszh 3 жыл бұрын

First, I thought that this video was like 5 years old. Today, the same comparison might be between PT 7 and Keyscape. But I suppose that your conclusions are still true. The ”feel” and the ”mood” you get from playing it, actually matters more to me, than the actual ”faithfullness”. The same goes for all instruments. They are like friends, that you connect with rather from their personality, than actual abilities. You would maybe like a different friend for building a house than for dancing with, as an example. My conclusion is that you can never have to many friends.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I just picked two pianos that seemed to offer a similar "feel" and I agree, every piano brings out different things (I talk about this very thing in my next video to be released tomorrow). You can never have too many friends... or physically modelled pianos - they take up so little space!

@berniem.6965 2 жыл бұрын

The grand piano sounds of Keyscape, while nicely done, are not on the level of other state of the art sampling pianos like Alicia's Keys who only concentrate on reproducing that one single instrument. I see the grand pianos as a nice bonus of Keyscape while the real focus of the software is on the classic electric (and some digital) pianos. Those classic sounds are amazing and nothing, except for the real instruments in mint condition, comes even close to Keyscape's amount of detail and realism.

@31416 3 жыл бұрын

Can you play a C3 while holding down a C4 (silent)? In Pianoteq, when we do this and release the C3, the C4 sympathetic vibrations do sound and can be heard, like with an accoustic piano. Does a good sample piano do that too?

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Many sampled instruments seem to do that now, I think. Of course, there are also pianos that are hybrids of samples and synthesis.

@SteveSensenig 3 жыл бұрын

According to the marketing info, Alicia's Keys does, in fact, offer this type of sympathetic vibrations.

@mabian69 2 жыл бұрын

To my ear there are obvious differences both in velocity curve response and overall level. I found that at higher level many pianos seem more expressive because you can hear better also the softest notes... but I'm not an expert to any extent... :)

@blackrockcity Жыл бұрын

Is there any reverb on the pianoteq? I’ve heard that it’s better to play it “dry” through pianoteq and route that through a high end reverb plugin. I haven’t tried this myself yet.

@PhilBestMusic Жыл бұрын

There was some reverb, I think. Pianoteq reverb is nice.

@davidscanlan 3 жыл бұрын

The "imperfections" of the PT sound give it credibility to me. Feels like listening to a real mic'd piano, for better and worse.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting... Gives me an idea for a video - how to make Pianoteq sound like a real mic'd piano.

@vitaliistep 3 жыл бұрын

Phil, could you tell me if you use output limiter in Pianoteq or not, while playing/recording? It impacts the feel quite a bit as to me. Thanks.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Usually when I'm playing or recording, I want the piano to feel like it's there in the room with me so I go for the natural sound of the full dynamic range. But when I move the mics to the audience perspective and master the recording, I do add a little limiting glue using Waves L1, L3 or C6. In production projects where the piano track has effects and sounds more processed, I often use some form of compression as I record.

@vitaliistep 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic That's very helpful info, thank you so much, Phil.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@chapitrilfo 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Phil, great vid! And if you compare Pianoteq with a VSL piano? That would be really interesting as well

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I don't own the VSL pianos so I can't make that comparison. I'm sure they're great though.

@chromofonic 3 жыл бұрын

Dear Phil, Beauty is in the eyes of the ... Performer. The reason you find modelling-based piano instruments more engaging than sample-based libraries is your high dexterity level. It allows for subtle control of nuances, such as sympathetic resonance ( among a myriad of other parameters). The sonic feedback you receive when you press a key in Pianoteq feeds into your neural reward system of being "in control". In this context, sample-based libraries appear archaic (when it comes to pianos). They lack the complexity and positive/negative feedback loops, leaving a high level of performance skill unrealised. However, to an observer, sample-based libraries appear more "real" ( more like "piano"). I employ a hybrid approach. I layer sample-based libraries with Pianoteq. I use phase correction and EQ plugins to get both of these layers to sit well together. The result is beautiful. I enjoy the realistic "hit" of a real piano and the ability to control the nuances of Pianoteq. I craft instruments that are engaging and can fully exploit a high level of performance skill, the best of both worlds. One has to be careful about how to layer sample and modelled instruments. My other approach is to create my very own sample-based instruments (not necessarily pianos). These instruments include hundreds of velocity and sonic layers and hence complexity. In this fashion, an experienced performer can develop a "performing intuition". At the end of the day, a "performer" employs neural connections to acquire a sufficient level of dexterity for controlling a large set of parameters that helps him/her express themselves, be it sonically, visual, sensually, tastefully or in any combination. In case you are interested, I could send you some of my handcrafted sample instruments to determine whether the underlying complexity allows you to express yourself via your fingers and foot pedal.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Well yes, I'd be certainly interested - I also have a Roli Seaboard if you have any instruments that it could control... I like the Seaboard but it doesn't feel "organic" to me so I often just program synth sounds.

@chromofonic 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic I am not a big fun of the Roli Seaboard. Maybe I am biased because I was born into a house with 14 different pianos. The irony is that I was not allowed to pursue music as a profession (hence i am just a self-taught hobbyist). I think a piano carries so many sonic possibilities in a single press of a key (not to mention two or more keys). Speaking as a "pianist", the seaboard is an unnecessary overkill. My instruments are NI Kontakt-based and more of "performance designed" using artificial intelligence for frequency matching and velocity layering. Since I know that you are an amazing intuitive performer, I decided that you will be the first to receive my composers toolbox. Just for your enjoyment. Any feedback you give me will be a bonus. I will send you the finished instrument within the next two weeks. I always enjoyed your videos.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I feel honoured! Thank you! I sing and used to play the violin so I think that's why the Seaboard holds some interest for me. But the piano is the most magical instrument for me too!

@Clayphish 3 жыл бұрын

Could this be boiled down to the fact that the intended articulation between the 2 is very different? The PianoTeq to me sounds as if I was micing the piano to emphasize focus, much like you hear in many 70s jazz recordings (ie. chick corea acoustic albums, etc.). While the AliciasKeys sounds a bit more laid back, where it’s not to be as scrutinized and more easily fit in a mix of other instruments. I bet if you moved the virtual mic’s on the PianoTeq preset or mixed them differently to accentuate more body you would hear a change more in line of how the AliciasKeys was actually miced. Granted that PianoTeq behaves similarly to what micing a piano is actually like. Great video btw!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Maybe so! If mic placement and ambience matched maybe those midi-programmed chords would have sounded equally good on the YC5.

@mfurman 3 жыл бұрын

Phil, could you please help me with the following. I have been trying Pianoteq YC5 today (mostly Solo Recording and Basic). I usually use my Senheiser headphones connected through Scarlet Solo. The sound is very close and direct (in my head). There is no spaciousness and richness of Steinway D NY or C. Bechstein DG. The sound is flat and I just do not like it at all. Am I doing something wrong? Should I experiment more with all the settings? Thank you. Michael

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Well it's a smaller piano and the sound is far less luxurious than the Steinway D or Bechstein. But to create some space, try moving the mics further from the piano and altering the reverb settings.

@mfurman 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic Thank you, Phil. This is really great review (lots to think about). I do appreciate your responses as well.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

No problem! Happy to help if I can!

@JoeLinux2000 3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion it is the attack that is different. I'ver never owned a sampled piano other than maybe the Roland MKS-20 which was one of the very first good sounding digital voices. But what you notice with Pianoteq pro is that the attack overtones are much more pronounced in Pianoteq at higher velocity levels. When you sample an instrument if must be difficult to record all the various velocity levels whereas with Pianoteq, it's just a number that is adjusted within the modeling. To me it must be more related to the sound chip within the computer. But the bottom line is that Pianoteq Pro offers more "live" variablitly within a given note than simply recalling a recorded sample of that note at a certain volume level. I know I cancelled my Kawai es920 pre-order because I felt the sonic character of the piano voices somehow lacked a genuine personality. While OK the piano just doesn't sound authentic. . It was the sound of a piano but very vanilla and lacking any true soul. The electric pianos seemed much the same. Nice but lacking a true personality other than just a very bland one. It's like meeting a person who is rather flat and lacking radiance.

@MostEasterlySteve 3 жыл бұрын

MKS-20 was not sample based. It was the first physically modelled piano using Roland's Structured Adaptive Sound Synthesis technology.

@JoeLinux2000 3 жыл бұрын

@@MostEasterlySteve Thanks, I didn't know that. All I know is that it was the first piano module on the market that actually resembled the character of a good piano. Pianoteq far surpasses it in my opinion.

@subramaniantr2091 3 жыл бұрын

maybe the reason could be that the velocity curve was very steep in the pianoteq making any pianissimo impossible based on the midi input. The Alicia's keys could have been inherently less sensitive due to the fact that you might have felt lack of expression while it prevented the midi sound like an expressionless kid playing forte for all notes as the pianoteq sounded. This doesn't happen when you play as there is a feedback loop based on which you actually tailor the touch of the key based on the sensitivity compensating for a steep curve with a softer touch and also getting a change of expression with even slight change of velocity.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

You make some good points.

@theblowupdollsmusic 2 жыл бұрын

Samples sound different because of the "air" in the recording. Microphones, Preamps, Converters.

@brianthorsen2262 2 жыл бұрын

Phil, great comparison. What preset are you using on Pianoteq?

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's the YC5 basic preset, I think.

@anxiousproductions9183 2 жыл бұрын

Just as you predicted, Pianoteq seemed more dynamic, but I have to admit (and this pains me a little!) the native instruments one did sound “nicer” or ever so slightly more “realistic” to my old ears.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that's because of my levels error... Pianoteq is louder, unfortunately!

@Pianolifter 2 жыл бұрын

Great comparison video as always! May I ask what kind of earphones you're wearing?

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! They're Shure SE535s.

@Pianolifter 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic Thank you very much for the answer!

@user-hp2hd5vy5x 8 ай бұрын

have u ever uploaded video where you play actual sound of Roland piano ?

@PhilBestMusic 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure! Maybe not! I'm such a Pianoteq fan. The V-Piano was the first digital piano sound I liked but there's something in the way the damper sounds in Pianoteq that I prefer. Roland sounds are great though!

@OfficialStevenCravis Жыл бұрын

The Alicia Keys sounds better EQd, like it notched out some mid range frequencies that may tend to muddy up a piano sound.

@weedanwine 3 жыл бұрын

The difference isn't quite supernatural, but I would suggest it's mostly because of the sympathetic resonance. As you say the sampled instrument is the sound of that player's touch during the recording and Pianoteq is responding in real-time. I disagree however that Alicia Keys has a lot of samples, it's old now and it might be better to look at some of the VSL sampled pianos and see how much difference it can make.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I mean the way a piano's sound can bloom after the note has been struck according to the INTENTION of the pianist. It's like adding expression through the sustain. Horowitz had a particularly uncanny ability in this regard. It's rather mysterious and I doubt it has anything at all to do with hyper-sampling or sympathetic resonance.

@88mokeyz8k 3 жыл бұрын

YC5 sounded Fuller , AK was a little warmer, I want both, they were very close!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

:-)

@RayTGG 2 жыл бұрын

But what is the result if you record the midi of you playing the YC5 so passionately then running it through as a recording through the Alicia's Keys? That would be an interesting experiment wouldnt it?

@RayTGG 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it would lose subtle things and maybe it would gain some?

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I could do that but I always find that the way the piano feeds back to me makes me play differently. I know this stuff is very subjective in reality. My bias is purely aesthetic though.

@RayTGG 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic It makes sense though because the other software is probably calibrated differently in terms of velocities etc so what you played isn't quite what would come out of it just by popping in midi info. I bought the PianoTeq software today. I couldn't be happier. I was able to tweak it to sound and feel like my Korg Grandstage. It really is amazing, thanks again Phil!

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@sakkel.7357 3 жыл бұрын

to me yc5 sounded really harsh after AK piano which sounded pleasent. And I'm pianoteq fan, still using 2.3 with my own settings.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Really?! OK! 2.3? Wow!

@sakkel.7357 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic yep :D

@CoisesFoiledAgain 3 жыл бұрын

At least to my ears, the Pianoteq feed is set way too loud compared to AK and Phil's voice. If you turn the volume down when he plays the YC5, suddenly it doesn't sound harsh at all... it's quite nice.

@JoseVGavila 3 жыл бұрын

I guess you would enjoy it even more if you updated to 7... But is your choice!

@sakkel.7357 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoseVGavila I really like Phils playing in his videos, his style and the sound of pianoteq 7. I've tested propably every piano for pc there is and still i return to my pianoteq 2.3 and my own settings in it for jazz piano. Don't know why because, when Phil plays pianoteq 7 it's sounds like heaven but when i tried it, it didn't feel same under my hands (shitty player as i am :D ). Might be if i made my own adjustments it would grow on me but at the end of the day as it is 2.3 with my own settings, most of the time, gets me in the mood easiest and when in the mood playing is enjoyable.

@nicholastessier8504 3 жыл бұрын

Here's a shot at explaining some of these magical themes: 1. Programmed MIDI is a caricature of real playing; this is not inherently bad, but it's planned and therefore sterile in that it tracks no physical playing (even manually moving ticks on and off the grid will only go so far, again MIDI is not bad objectively, but it's categorically different than MIDI that tracks actual playing) 2. Physical modelling is made specifically with the assumption it will be faced with a player's input (this is true merely by how a piano works; there's a piano and a human plays it, the math portion "figures this out" with our harmonic information being played with different weight, timing "inefficiencies" etc. and hence is very expressive because it handles these human elements well (just like a real piano!). 3 (the corollary of 2). When physical modelling is being fed programmed data, it is not tracking physical playing; it sounds quite wrong as if the real world is suddenly stripped of all the natural numbers and we are left with integers- not an artistic rendition of the real world, but the world itself being made of angular shapes and so on, very odd. 4. Sampled libraries are made of these "angular shapes" and so can fit well with entirely "perfect" playing, it IS the artistic rendition of the real world through the eyes of a style like cubism, etc. The deeper the samples, the more it can approach physical modelling (deepening the pallete available), but it'd never do such a thing because physical modelling captures too many variables better than a sampled library. Neither is better, just different uses!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree, "just different" is right and people have their understandable preferences. That was a very interesting explanation of what's going on... I still feel there might be more to it but maybe it's just in my imagination!

@nicholastessier8504 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic Hmmm, what did you have in mind with what else is going on? I gave a rather quick rendition of what I think is going on, so it might be a component I skirted over!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, I thought your explanation was wonderful - quite thorough and in depth. No it's just I sense as a musician that I can affect the sound - or at least the listener's perception of it - through pure tonal and rhythmic intention. Very unscientific, I know!

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm just imagining things... Maybe it's just that the amount of subtle information one can generate when playing the piano is extraordinarily huge and if the piano is able to process enough of that information, it feels almost like telepathy. But I'm not completely sure!

@nicholastessier8504 3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic I think that's the way to go! But then again, how we experience it is much different than what goes on, mechanically :) that's why something like phenomenology is a much more rich field than neuroscience when we want to explore our consciousness. It's a marvel of what technology can do, or what the physical processes of the world can do, but it's the music itself or the "happening" itself that's the transcendent component which is not captured at all by anything mechanistic, that's when life is truly life!

@simongross3122 3 жыл бұрын

It's all about love. It's the same as the difference between coffee made by a machine by push-button and coffee made by a well-intentioned barrista.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! That's it!

@okrk11 Жыл бұрын

Forget pianoteq/ Alicia keys..... what the hell music are you playing? It's amazing! Is it just improv? Do you have any sheets for the music?

@PhilBestMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes I love to improvise. I have some sheet music on my website and will be adding more! Soon I hope - work in progress!

@TamirOrkobysPiano Жыл бұрын

Sampled Piano Just Sounds Better. Never mind if it's performance or midi Data. It's like to compare a high quality computer graphics movie to real movie The computer can't really coping a real piano sound. That's my opinion anyway.

@brandoncrenshaw 3 жыл бұрын

You could probably cover it or turn down the hammers to get close to the Alicia Keys Sound

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting idea, but I wasn't really trying to make them sound the same...

@zumadale 3 жыл бұрын

The only sampled piano I play and like...the Mrs Mills piano.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

;-)

@bobrandom5545 2 жыл бұрын

First, I love your playing and I love Pianoteq, I use myself as well. But, I've been thinking a bit about what you're saying in this video. Pianoteq is of course much more expressive than sampled pianos, because it actually models the physical piano. So, there are different resonances at different velocities, in the soundboard, but also in all the open strings. Plus, the dynamics are continuous, instead of samples recorded at different velocities. Around 4:31 you play the same key twice. The first time just pressing it and releasing, the second time more "expressively". However, the velocity and note duration between the two presses vary. Plus, you use the hold pedal the second time, not the first time. In the end, all you are doing is sending midi messages to the engine. There's no magic here. There's velocity and note duration, that's it. So, no matter what you play, you would be able to perfectly recreate that by filling in the midi notes in your DAW. You might think it sounds much better when you play more expressively, but that is solely due to velocity and note duration. Anything else is simply not possible, cause velocity is the only message you send to pianoteq, for an amount of time (note duration). So, I think the answer to the mystery is: It's in your head. When you play expressively, you intuitively play the right velocities at the right moment, for the right amount of time. And there's nothing wrong with that.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I can't be certain you're wrong about it being in my head... If I'm deluded, as you suggest, I'm still utterly convinced, I'm afraid. When I play a real piano, I feel the sound bloom and sing, in a way that feels magically intentional - given that I'm not inputting any further data, after the note is struck. No sampled piano has ever given me this same response. Physical modelling does! Perhaps I'm a bit of a nutty musician... Whatever I may be, I hope you can tell from my style of communication that I'm not attempting to make others wrong or force them to agree with me. I'm not being sneaky, misrepresenting things deliberately. I'd never intend to do that. I'm simply stating my personal, undogmatic, unbiased, independent viewpoint and completely respect yours. I'm sure you appreciate that finding a good instrument matters a great deal to me. I've thought long and hard about this and am humbly sharing my thoughts as they stand - they're not written in stone.

@bobrandom5545 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBestMusic Thank you for your reply. My apologies that my comment seemed a bit negative. Attacking you, or calling you deluded was not my intention. My choice of words is sometimes a bit clumsy, so sorry for that. At no point did I think you were being sneaky, or anything of that nature. I think what I was trying to say is that when you play with intention, you feel the music so well and you can intuitively translate that to very subtle changes in velocity and note duration (and pedal use). I think the whole mechanism is actually quite interesting. This all referring to the example around 4:30 where you played the two notes in a different way. I'm not as capable as you on the piano, but I too find physical modeled pianos much more fun to play. I think that really has to do with the fact that the dynamics are continuous and there are resonances in the soundboard and the strings. The "bloom" you speak of might very well have to do with those resonances. You'll probably know this, but when you strike a key on a piano while holding (inaudibly) another one, the string of the latter will actually resonate with the first one, since there is no damper on that string. So, you will have more harmonics and other overtones than if you would just strike the first one. I doubt this is taken into account in sampled pianos. Sampled piano also must make use of filters and maybe looping to achieve different notes lengths. Which, i assume, must sound unnatural compared to a physically modeled one. Anyway, I'm not too sure why I wrote my original comment. I think it was just because I noticed that you actually physically played the note differently in those two examples (albeit subconsciously maybe), which made me think about the whole psychology involved when playing music, etc. I enjoy your playing a lot! Keep em coming!

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Aw, thanks very much! This phenomenon I'm on about of the note blooming after it has been played... it's is the only "magic" thing. BTW if I really did play the same note differently, one with pedal, one without, then that was a stupid error on my part! And not the only one I made in this video. But they're honest mistakes.

@ChristianJoannes Жыл бұрын

For a long time I was thinking the same, but having played intensively with pianoteq 8 recently , I am persuaded now that expressiveness that Phil talks about and that a lot of pianists feel en they play with Pianoteq must be explained other than with pure mental imagination factor, even if may influence how good and consistent your touch is. I think the following happen : From the moment you hit the key , you pass a minimum amount of midi parameters ( key, velocity , sustain , una corda and sustenato values ...) and then it is up to the software to do the job, in less than 1 millisecond . so time is the enemy of any VST :) With a sampling software, you have to access the info from the SSD that holds the sampling data adjust, it using the additional settings that the player has selected via the GUI and then transform the sound using a model to add sympathetic resonance, reverb and also compute the transition with the previous WAV form that was sent to the audio output before the key was hit. I simplify the process but as you see , it is a combination of sampling + modelling SAMPLING PROCESS ---------------------------------- GET DATA ( velocity , piano, key, pedals) -> COMPUTE to transform adding effects and adjusted parameters -> GENERATE audio WAV to audio output With a modelling process , you don't have Get Data phase , you only have one compute phase to recreate the sound of the note and you don't have a transformation phase as the sound is generated with all parameters in one pass (which is not possible in sampling as the Getdata phase only collects a raw stored sample captured at the right velocity. ) MODELLING PROCESS ------------------------------------ COMPUTE ( velocity , piano, key, pedals with adjusted parameters -> GENERATE audio WAV to audio output Again, I simplify the process here, but it seems clear to me that during the time needed to do the compute, let's say 1 milli second, true modelling allows you to take much more parameters into account as you have less phases , so you can truly model the soundboard in details and the whole acoustic and I really think this is what creates the feeling of 'alive' instrument. Moreover CPU power ( Moore's law ) is increasing faster than disk access times so, the evolution will favour COMPUTE only vs DISK ACCESS + COMPUTE . sorry for posting such a geek post as after all , what matter is music. Cheers

@stephenshooterfineartist9635 2 жыл бұрын

Alicias is my choice....

@felixayala05 8 күн бұрын

My yc5 doesnt sound like that. I have pianoteq8 and it sounds like an old CP. Kinda disappointing.

@playlistscroller 3 жыл бұрын

I feel Pianoteq's YC5 lacks detail in the highs and has a weird resonance in the mids.

@Biozene 3 жыл бұрын

"It seems supernatural, almost". Kinda sounds like a pun on the Roland SuperNATURAL modelling engine. Lol.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Ha! Yes, I see what you mean... Not intentional of course!

@heisenbergwalter3363 2 жыл бұрын

Alicia keys sounds so much fuller and deeper, there's no match

@oliverpinelli3334 2 жыл бұрын

well ....the sampling sounds pretty shallow... but it is a small sample pool compared to lets say Hans ZImmer´s Piano. But also these giant libraries are getting on my nerves...So Pianoteq rules, I would say.

@TamirOrkobysPiano Жыл бұрын

Alicia keys sounds much better. Period.

@MostEasterlySteve 3 жыл бұрын

Purely as far as sounds go PT YC5 sounds thin, hollow, distant, metallic and sine-wavy. AK sounds warm, woody and real. PT did win in terms of expression but it's a hollow victory when it sounds so bad. The upper mid range and tenor area is especially horrible. That said the YC5 is one of the nastiest PT models. The NYD and Bechstein are far superior. Also, AK is not a particularly playable sample. Garritan CFX is much better, as is Vintage D.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

We all have our own tastes and preferences!

@andywilliam367 3 жыл бұрын

YC5 is the worst Piano sound in Pianoteq. The ring tone is too short like upright piano. Modartt They should fix it or update it with another Yamaha Grand Piano such as C7 or new CX.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

That's your view... I think it has its uses.

@benjaminsmith2287 3 жыл бұрын

For all VSTs, modeled or sampled, I think it is time to sample/model the CX series. It's been around since 2012. C3X and C7x and maybe the SX series, S3X and S7X. The CFX has been sampled to great success but not the "studio" versions of Yamaha's piano or Yamaha's "chamber" SX series.

@ultrium2000 3 жыл бұрын

I am beginning to hate your videos. :) I have Pianoteq installed on my computer. Now, I want to buy the YC5 piano. :)

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry! :-)

@JoelGarcia-ml9jx 3 жыл бұрын

Pianoteq is responding to a lack of sustain pedal input. immo

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Huh?

@vitaliistep 3 жыл бұрын

Real pianos are never perfectly in tune because of natural strings inharmonicity/temperature/air humidity/mechanism imperfections unique for every instrument and keys response is never perfectly even, so Condition, Unison width, Octave stretching parameters and Voicing section are good places for making Pianoteq to sound more authentic and less perfect.

@PhilBestMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@victorolsson7202 Жыл бұрын

AK sounds waaaay better. Never understood Pianoteq, it always sounds so "general midi" and fake to me. Like a digital piano from the 90s or something.

@tommj4365 Жыл бұрын

Yea I keep coming back to try pianoteq cuz I really want to like it. Still has this plasticky sound to it that puts me off. Changing the "condition" setting and mic positions in pianoteq does help it sound more real though... the default patches are not the best

@musikone1780 2 жыл бұрын

I have to give you a thumbs down because you didn't bother to match the volume levels of both pianos. The output of the Pianoteq is much loader.

@PhilBestMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I know, you're right! It was a silly error! I don't think it causes any bias one way or the other though. I just made an honest mistake and certainly not any attempt to skew things in favour of Pianoteq...