Porsche 911 2 vs 4 RWD vs AWD differences C2S vs C4S

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Nick Murray

Nick Murray

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C2S vs C4S or C2 vs C4 is the question. I take a look at the many small differences between the rear drive '2' models and the all wheel drive '4' models.
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@OlaJustin
@OlaJustin 7 жыл бұрын
I did not know that the 4s had a wider body. You learn something everyday, except when you dont.
@kabob21
@kabob21 7 жыл бұрын
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 жыл бұрын
Some days two things!
@OlaJustin
@OlaJustin 7 жыл бұрын
And thanks to you I can now fake being a Porsche guy in casual coffee break conversations. =)
@lucasvonheiz1310
@lucasvonheiz1310 7 жыл бұрын
+Bowshould, so the GTS is still in the mid body category isn't it?
@LanceFarquhar
@LanceFarquhar 7 жыл бұрын
GTS is wide body
@swessels
@swessels 7 жыл бұрын
The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
@venom5809
@venom5809 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
@Steel86Curtain
@Steel86Curtain 7 жыл бұрын
venom5809 The GTS is RWD with 4S widebody.
@venom5809
@venom5809 7 жыл бұрын
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
@mmmakeee
@mmmakeee 7 жыл бұрын
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
@Dethred1
@Dethred1 7 жыл бұрын
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
@nd318865
@nd318865 7 жыл бұрын
Might be able to find and pull a fuse somewhere under the frunck?
@m24hel74
@m24hel74 7 жыл бұрын
I think I rather wait for a fwd cvt 911.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 жыл бұрын
Best comment
@GrantLF223
@GrantLF223 7 жыл бұрын
I know this is a joke, but it still hurts...
@geethsan1567
@geethsan1567 7 жыл бұрын
If that happens(which will not obv), that'll be like an April Fools joke come true.
@m24hel74
@m24hel74 7 жыл бұрын
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
@juanvelez5699
@juanvelez5699 7 жыл бұрын
you forgot a naturally aspirated diesel engine!
@andyrichardson6188
@andyrichardson6188 6 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars. I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
@thedayidrive3422
@thedayidrive3422 7 жыл бұрын
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
@psoon04286
@psoon04286 7 жыл бұрын
Entertaining as usual. Love your videos
@paulandrebeccak5680
@paulandrebeccak5680 7 жыл бұрын
There's only one solution, Nick: Have both! In all seriousness, really neat to hear about the little differences and your wheels are amazing!
@Sandouras
@Sandouras 7 жыл бұрын
I'd buy the C4S just for that red line connecting the rear lights. That makes the car so much more beautiful!
@MyMostBeautifuCinema
@MyMostBeautifuCinema 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche seems to have realized that fact as well, a la 992 ;)
@bobgees793
@bobgees793 4 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what swung it for me. I ended up with a 2019 C4 GTS.
@drivebmc4508
@drivebmc4508 7 жыл бұрын
Did not realize there were so many differences between the 4 and 4S. Super informative video! Great job!
@kushileggo6623
@kushileggo6623 7 жыл бұрын
Nice to see such an honest summation. Most people couldn't help but make out what they were currently driving is the best. Bravo !!. Oh & both cars, gorgeous
@alberthodge631
@alberthodge631 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, and I do appreciate the work that goes into them.....thank you very much.
@vhol93
@vhol93 7 жыл бұрын
Love your videos!!! Congrats man
@steffydog
@steffydog 7 жыл бұрын
Quality video as always Nick, thanks
@patriot8087
@patriot8087 4 жыл бұрын
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
@josephberkeley
@josephberkeley 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, Nick. Thanks for sharing.
@Number27
@Number27 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
@jamessuttie1261
@jamessuttie1261 6 жыл бұрын
Really good video. Conclusions based on solid personal experience. Thanks.
@woodypwx
@woodypwx 7 жыл бұрын
991.1 50th Anniversary was a C2S with wide body. The ideal car for me.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 5 жыл бұрын
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
@KA3AXCTAH2030
@KA3AXCTAH2030 3 жыл бұрын
50AE is awesome but the premium for it is a bit over the top
@garykiesel2583
@garykiesel2583 Жыл бұрын
Same! That’s my favorite one
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 11 ай бұрын
Really enjoying your reviews, also extremely handy as I’m on the hunt for a 991
@camelramel7035
@camelramel7035 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video Nick. Especially since I have been debating between 2 and 4 S models.
@kevincheng8731
@kevincheng8731 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy this video, i sent this video link to my friend as he's deciding which model he wants to buy. Very helpful information
@winstonmiller8150
@winstonmiller8150 7 жыл бұрын
Great comparison!! Good information on the two models.
@kevinstgeorge9154
@kevinstgeorge9154 5 жыл бұрын
I love your reviews! I also love the views of my hometown of Fairfield, Ct too! Thanks for always doing a great job with your Porsche reviews! :-)
@konkombotis5549
@konkombotis5549 7 жыл бұрын
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
@christopherwhitehead8946
@christopherwhitehead8946 7 жыл бұрын
I love my "garish" wide light-bar! I've got a 2004 C4S. It's very nice , thank you Nick.
@arturoprestamo1514
@arturoprestamo1514 6 жыл бұрын
Great review, Ill go with the 2WD, many thanks for this excellent analysis.
@IrishManJT
@IrishManJT 7 жыл бұрын
I drove the 991.1 C4S @ the Porsche Experience Centre Silverstone UK three years ago and was just blown away with it. What an amazing car!
@douglasgooden166
@douglasgooden166 5 жыл бұрын
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@ax1039
@ax1039 7 жыл бұрын
I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
@ebdbdave
@ebdbdave 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I had the same concerns, and you have decided me!
@Only-one-life-68
@Only-one-life-68 7 жыл бұрын
I'm from the 🇬🇧 and a great fan of yours Nick. I'd like also to thank Brian your friend for him allowing you to produce these great vids. Ps I'm collecting my very first Porsche next Friday 28th Manual 911.2 Carrera 😜
@franciscoerazo1997
@franciscoerazo1997 7 жыл бұрын
Great video man! 👍
@sevesellors2831
@sevesellors2831 2 жыл бұрын
Great review very informative, thank you!
@jlo6388
@jlo6388 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid, Nick.
@bicyclist2
@bicyclist2 7 жыл бұрын
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
@miketurin5233
@miketurin5233 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Well explained! Thank you.
@vstm3950
@vstm3950 2 жыл бұрын
great advice, video exactly i was looking for, thank you sir
@dredgeboater
@dredgeboater 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis, thanks
@foesfly3047
@foesfly3047 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your practical insight. This will help me in the search for my next 997.2. And the sarcastic gorilla is fun as always: )
@yogiballa
@yogiballa 10 ай бұрын
You’re driving on the street I used to live on! Right down the road from greenfield hill Mercado Fairfield ct, beautiful neighborhood and beautiful car! Thank you for the review!
@albertlee9238
@albertlee9238 Жыл бұрын
Clear comparison, thanks !
@JoeJasril
@JoeJasril 2 жыл бұрын
Learnt a lot from this video.... thank you !
@usccharles
@usccharles 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the great info videos Nick. Always appreciated! Any friends around with a GTS? Would love to see a comparison with your 4S.
@anthonylessthanzero1498
@anthonylessthanzero1498 7 жыл бұрын
I concur! I live in Southern California so 4 wheel drive wasn't as important to me. If I lived in state like yours and use it as a daily driver. Then I would definitely get a four wheel. Thank you for your video!
@bbrrwwnn
@bbrrwwnn 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 2013 991 C4S. It was the wider body and the light bar that put it over the top for me, lookswise. I’d also add that here in Connecticut the 4WD with the stock tires is not very good in the snow. However, with OZ 19” wheels and slightly more narrow snow tires the car is an absolute blast in the white stuff!
@user-hg7yi1xq8o
@user-hg7yi1xq8o 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, Thank you for those great videos. If you disengage the traction control, what would be the outcome/comparison for both the C2 and the C4?
@alouw6054
@alouw6054 7 жыл бұрын
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
@moneyparhar
@moneyparhar 7 жыл бұрын
I don't watch this video to know what's all wheel drive or rear wheel drive I watch it bcz of two Porsche's and ur videos always good and some time funny keep up the good work
@tedc8336
@tedc8336 7 жыл бұрын
Really like your vlogs and videos for porsche. Is there any change you can fit your road bike into a 911? What about a 28" baggage?
@simonhurlimann908
@simonhurlimann908 6 жыл бұрын
Great Video and it proofs what i thought. Happy to have a RWD (Cayman)
@psubhane1
@psubhane1 5 жыл бұрын
More than having fun the other advantage of having a two wheel drive system is its greater fuel economy , as you said the 4WD system delivers more torque to the front if it were to sense the rear is sliding outwards bringing down the efficiency to deliver this additional power. But nonetheless it all comes down to the conditions and each one has its own plus points.
@acchaladka
@acchaladka 7 жыл бұрын
Bless you for including the metric measurement in this video.
@danrook5757
@danrook5757 2 жыл бұрын
Living in Canada I don’t understand imperial, what’s a quart
@acchaladka
@acchaladka 2 жыл бұрын
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
@QuintonTV
@QuintonTV 7 жыл бұрын
Greetings. What suction mount did you use for your DSLR? I noticed it only has single suction but doesn't shake at all.
@LucasPlane
@LucasPlane 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video!! More one thumb up for you!
@douglasvouchell3565
@douglasvouchell3565 2 жыл бұрын
You all know that the 2S and the 4S are both amazing machines. I personally have my 2022 Carrera 2 S on its way. Delivery is April 15, 2022. Can't wait.
@henkoc86
@henkoc86 7 жыл бұрын
Is it a way to deactivate the 4 wheel drive on the front and just have the rear wheel drive by choice? The wider hips is really nice to have!
@rmp5s
@rmp5s 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
@JedWunderli
@JedWunderli 7 жыл бұрын
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
@bguettler2112
@bguettler2112 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, I live in Morris County and since you had that Fairfield Police video, I'm assuming you live in the same area. Can you recommend any roads that you use for your videos? Nice backroads for turns and straights...
@robmac3287
@robmac3287 6 жыл бұрын
Good vlog, thank you.
@danielallocca7770
@danielallocca7770 7 жыл бұрын
AWD wide body looks much better. Never noticed/knew that. Thanks for the informative video....
@patrickr8890
@patrickr8890 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, thanks for such a great video. Awesome! You forgot to mention one more difference, and that is your car has four exhaust pipes while the other has only two. I agree that rear wheel drive is so much more fun in dry weather, I know, because I notice more hair on my chest after driving my CLS63 AMG. LOL!!!
@macandsomethings4351
@macandsomethings4351 7 жыл бұрын
I had no idea there were so many aesthetic differences. Very informative, and personally, I support the 4s. I have ultimately found that one can get out of a corner a quantifiably faster with AWD on a tight and technical course in the dry, and the advantages seem exponential in wet and cold climates due to the traction advantage when introducing some over-steer. I'm also not sure I've met a car that wouldn't go sideways, but I understand that's a lot of car ($) to throw around, and frankly, its just nice to look at; Very nice to look at; Very, very nice to look at. Thanks for the video, Nick!
@alvilla701
@alvilla701 7 жыл бұрын
thank you, I'm selling my Geo Metro and getting both, the C4S and the C2S
@progressivelibertarianview8832
@progressivelibertarianview8832 3 жыл бұрын
With the remaining balance you can also add 1 Bugatti to the cart!
@dulobg3774
@dulobg3774 Жыл бұрын
Hi very informative video again! What will be your possible build for 2024 911S?
@michaelweigel2466
@michaelweigel2466 7 жыл бұрын
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
@danielisfr3sh
@danielisfr3sh 7 жыл бұрын
Excuse my language but this video was so fucking informational and I thank you for that Nick! Great video dude
@xavierbekaert9397
@xavierbekaert9397 7 жыл бұрын
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
@TommyLGarage
@TommyLGarage 7 жыл бұрын
Nicky. Will you ever take this thing to a track? That would be a great video. PCA has great events at NJMP for example.
@johnomahoney7755
@johnomahoney7755 7 жыл бұрын
Good to know! Thanks
@danielreed5604
@danielreed5604 7 жыл бұрын
Hello Nick, Do you happen to know the max g-force difference between RWD and AWD 911s for your model year?
@thesecondrei1
@thesecondrei1 6 жыл бұрын
Do you have any issues scraping the bottom of the car? Especially when going down/up ramps and speedbumps?
@ejsgarage
@ejsgarage 6 жыл бұрын
I think I will buy the AWD since it has been snowing a lot here. Thank you for the video Nick.
@jrgb9945
@jrgb9945 13 сағат бұрын
Global warming
@balazsh5080
@balazsh5080 7 жыл бұрын
Does the 2WD have the graphite blue interior?
@GTO11400
@GTO11400 6 жыл бұрын
Hi nick .. is there any difference of the hight front axel like is that 4 wheel lower than all wheel c??
@EthanWainland
@EthanWainland 7 жыл бұрын
Are you going to the PCA event in Hershey this weekend?
@wyattoutlaw2370
@wyattoutlaw2370 5 жыл бұрын
Can’t you adjust how much torque you send to the front wheels?
@kjz28
@kjz28 7 жыл бұрын
What town were you driving through? Reminds me of parts of Ridgefield or New Canaan.
@Marv1385
@Marv1385 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, great video! Will there be a detailed vid about C2 and your C4S engine and performance difference? Also a few words with and without Sport Chrono and manual transmission. Would be great. Take care!
@nyhctrip
@nyhctrip 7 жыл бұрын
Hello Nick. Would be nice if you can make a video comparison in the future between your 911 carrera 4s and a 911 carrera....of course if you have the chance. I just sold my M4 cabrio recently and got the new 911 carrera 991.2 with sport chrono. I am curios if there is big difference between the S version and the normal carrera.
@Poorschedriver
@Poorschedriver 7 жыл бұрын
Nick you must be a braver man than I trying to step the rear out with all those stone walls around. Unless of course the clear bra prevents against stone wall impacts.
@ericp9058
@ericp9058 7 жыл бұрын
Hey nick, will you make a viedeo comparing the sport exhaust sound vs normal exhaust?
@ALSPEHEIR
@ALSPEHEIR 7 жыл бұрын
There is an option onon the car for you to turnoff the power in the front wheels?
@ggarrison1087
@ggarrison1087 7 жыл бұрын
All i know is your concave wheels > those flat spokes on the C2.
@felipejustin
@felipejustin 7 жыл бұрын
I love that light bar
@DanRibar
@DanRibar 6 жыл бұрын
My little Audi TT will never let me get out of control in the Florida flash floods.... I agree with all of your thoughts.
@danrook5757
@danrook5757 2 жыл бұрын
My Audi A5 is all wheel drive, love drifting with it in the snow, can’t wait for the first snow day. Hello from Canada toronto
@nigelcnash
@nigelcnash 7 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on the difference in engine character twixt the S and the basic?
@Steviee8
@Steviee8 6 жыл бұрын
I'm curios can you get the back to mimic the RWD if you shut the PSM off? I'd imagine that u could get the back to swing out and have fun.
@boston05011
@boston05011 5 ай бұрын
What years 911 AWD get the wider body in back like you mentioned ? If you know ?
@1seipai
@1seipai 7 жыл бұрын
Informative video. Did you drive the C2? I had a 997 C2S. I was loaned a 997 C2 while the 2S was having some work done on it. I felt that the smaller engine was more free revving and enjoyable.
@peterbennpan7288
@peterbennpan7288 7 жыл бұрын
Nicky boy i thought you got rid of your demon porsche or did you get another brand new one
@joelefraimsson3939
@joelefraimsson3939 7 жыл бұрын
The quad exhausts look so much better in my opinion. How much more are they?
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 жыл бұрын
The quad exhaust is the free option, the twin exhaust known as the Porsche Sport Exhaust is $3,000
@kylecronin3212
@kylecronin3212 7 жыл бұрын
Quad exhaust is standard on the "S" models, and is $950 extra for the non-"S" models
@paweloneill5888
@paweloneill5888 7 жыл бұрын
Joel Efraimsson they are the cheap option dumbo
@chuckystang
@chuckystang 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just wish Porsche would make the 911 smaller like the older ones, particularly the head lamps.
@JPandCompany
@JPandCompany 7 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! The wide body really makes a big difference with the two cars together (to my eyes). Yours also appears to be a little bit lower as well.
@juanbolanos2217
@juanbolanos2217 5 жыл бұрын
997 4s is the car I want! is there a reason why I shouldn't get it and instead buy a newer model?
@theresonly1truth138
@theresonly1truth138 7 жыл бұрын
nice vid mate, plz thank Brian on our behalf for submitting his car.
@albrightonrealestate
@albrightonrealestate 7 жыл бұрын
Nick Murray, you need to a video comparing the sound in Sport Mode & Sport Plus Mode. The exhaust and intake noise from the interior... :)
@owerr66
@owerr66 7 жыл бұрын
i know you reviewed the previous gen cayman/boxsters, but would love to see you do the new 718s!
@volcom52002
@volcom52002 7 жыл бұрын
I love these little insightful videos that only porsche owners would know. Thanks for sharing and letting us live our Porsche dreams thru you! Ps how long do u plan to keep the Porsche until you upgrade and any thoughts on what you'd upgrade to?
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 жыл бұрын
I hope to keep it 3-4 years and upgrade to the new model 992 but likely the same configuration.
@matthiasl1480
@matthiasl1480 7 жыл бұрын
Gorilla cut this video? Love your humour! And your detailed opinion most Porsche salesmen even dont think about.
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