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@Mistertunk4 жыл бұрын
I really like the extra insight Dan brings to the table. Whenever the 9dan pro's play a move, I really need Dan to say whether he agrees with that move or not. How else would I know it was a good move? Those high pitched screecks just gives you that knowledge boost that you need when learning go.
@annojance7 жыл бұрын
The lesson I learned from this video is that Nick Sibicky is the true Stone Buddha. Dan was extra obnoxious in this video and Nick was extra calm in response.
@BTHobbies9 жыл бұрын
I suspect everyone would learn more if Dan listened more and spoke less. Dan included.
@ashermccord Жыл бұрын
Wicked burn, bro, yet accurate.
@ragzouken8 жыл бұрын
first glimpse of dan on camera, the mystery is ruined
@mitchumsport9 жыл бұрын
I have to admire the patience, smoothness, and focus Nick has here. I understand that teaching adults from varied backgrounds is different sort of challenge than teaching in high school or in a more 'normalized' educational environment. Even if his handling wasn't perfect, it was better than I could do, and certainly a few marks better than adequate. It's not as though other students couldn't ask questions or the lesson came to a halt. I think the upshot that's underrated by some here is that Nick maintains safety by not directly cutting the student down (though he does sneak in a jab at 1:25:29?) It's easy to take classroom safety for granted on the internet. It's said that great teachers explode only on the inside. One of the interesting things we get into with a video on the internet is that one could decide one isn't so much watching a video on Go as we are on Nick's teaching, or his fashion choices, etc. Context is what we make of it. That is to say I'm not overly sympathetic to those who couldn't get much out of this video because Nick's focus successfully redirected much of the immature questioning into what could be said about the position at that moment... that is to say he educated us, especially those of us who may have had a similar question as the disruptive student. As a fairly weak player myself I often have lingering questions which I generally think it is up to me and the resources at my disposal to flush out. This is particularly true given that I am a free subscriber on the internet. In this sense I am quite thankful for the teacher's technique used here. I think there's quite a bit of value on offer in this lesson. I've been studying endgame a little lately, so I wish there was more coverage of that portion, particularly what was done in 1:08:10 to 1:19:20. But I'm not a paying member, and as much as I wish a certain classmate had more respect for others' desire to take this lesson, I'm not about to disrespect him by asserting that my education is more important than his. In the end I trust the teacher to set the norms and expectations for student behavior.
@seapanda78878 жыл бұрын
+mitchumsport 1:25:29 is just a quote from south park.
@damage_glitch8 жыл бұрын
People like Dan are the reason i cannot teach.
@mitchellmckain83735 жыл бұрын
Yeah... when I teach, I tend to put student like that in their place and that doesn't go over too well in our "customer is always right" society.
@Hunter6889 жыл бұрын
normally i can almost tolerate dan, but i can't even finish this video :/
@Baobei6669 жыл бұрын
Hunter688 Stopped at 15:00 ...
@BTHobbies9 жыл бұрын
Sleeping_Banana I tapped out around 55 minutes. It became too much.
@yagzyalcntas5533 жыл бұрын
@@Baobei666 14:21 close enough.. :D
@yagzyalcntas5533 жыл бұрын
@@BTHobbies wtf he doesnt stop until then??
@DasBreitschwert9 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when you put a Dan in a Kyu class :) His interruptions were undirected and felt like "just because" to say something. Also his tone of voice made him sound dismissive when Nick actually showed his train of thought, but that might be a misjudgement on my part. Questions are fine and should be welcome in these situations, but they should be questions, not postulations of your own opinion as fact without any substance to support them. Arguing with feeling as a kyu player is a bad habit, because you should learn why you feel something, not be blindly guided by your feeling. "I feel this position is bad for me" is a statement, but "I feel this position is bad for me, because I have two cuts left that need protection" or "...i have much less potential than my opponent" are much better statements that a dan player can help you assess your feelings with. You don't just say "My position sucks, I can't deal with this". No one would know where to start help you with that, because they don't know why you are unhappy with a situation. Probably because you as a player yourself are not sure why you are unhappy with it, as there is a lack of knowledge to have a correct feeling anyway. Edit: Corrected typo.
@rustythoughts6 жыл бұрын
I want to like this twice, once because for me as a DDK it's a great game with a really clear accessible commentary from Nick, and once again because Nick is a gentleman with the patience of a saint. I've learned two lessons, one about Go, and one about being a better teacher.
@bmoon53429 жыл бұрын
i am 5 dan AGA, and Nick is 4dan, but it's still fun to watch, and I think he is doing something great to American go society.
@kevinpark54899 жыл бұрын
I consider Lee Changho one of the best Go player ever existed. The reason modern Go evolved to be hyper aggressive is because the whole Go evolved around 'how to beat Lee Changho' during the 90s.
@TheClassicWorld8 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Park Not even sure how his mind is so great - I am assuming his mind is absurd with logic and Go understanding.
@mathewtung13679 жыл бұрын
among all your lectures, this really helped me - I realise that there is no need to be greedy! just one lecture and I improved my standing. Thanks and keep it UP.
@olleicua9 жыл бұрын
Nick Sibicky I usually enjoy your lectures but I had to stop 15 minutes into this one because I found the guy interrupting you to be too distracting. I understand that your first obligation is to the students in the room with you but would you mind asking him to shut up? I really wanted to learn about Li Chang Ho.
@IIIlllyyyccchhh9 жыл бұрын
that guy makes it really hard to enjoy this video
@serge99847 жыл бұрын
who is the guy that keep interrupting Dan ?
@SkeepyJeepyJohnson4 жыл бұрын
Lololol!!!
@samkerr18264 жыл бұрын
Fucking died
@kite9739 жыл бұрын
Lee Chang-ho is my favourite player, and I was really looking forward to this lecture. Unfortunately Dan ruined it, and I had to stop... It's been this way with every video featuring Dan.
@TriangleTrinity8 жыл бұрын
If I attended these lectures I'd always be saying "Dammit, Dan!" Kinda funny tho
@Shady_Lane9 жыл бұрын
who's the know-it-all? is he drunk? so annoying
@kyuuzoryuusuke9 жыл бұрын
Shady Lane yeah i admire Nick's patience
@olleicua9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I couldn't watch it. I actually was frustrated that Nick didn't tell him to shut up because I found it too distracting.
@LoganGraba9 жыл бұрын
Shady Lane Classic Dan
@Songfugel9 жыл бұрын
Shady Lane It's Dan the troll
@Baobei6669 жыл бұрын
Shady Lane Also is someone eating in the beginning of the video? what are those scrapping noise?
@ehtikhet9 жыл бұрын
Such stoic patience Nick... Awesome game to review as well, I really enjoy watching classic play styles, many of the modern pro games I have reviewed give me a panic attack!
@MrGoom118 жыл бұрын
Dan is super annoying in this video...
@mikedio28579 жыл бұрын
Why they let the madman be there??
@christopheradams7276 жыл бұрын
Why can't Nick ban Dan from the building?
@Asphalt_Ship9 жыл бұрын
Yeah if someone could actually crush this old guy with a passive playstyle in a game that'd be great. Maybe he'll shut his mouth so I can concentrate on what Nick's saying. gdi that's annoying as hell! >
@songbirdo9 жыл бұрын
See...I don't think Dan was *that* bad in this video when compared to some of the earlier ones. His distractions were front-loaded and I would encourage those that stopped within the first 20 minutes to continue.
@LoganGraba9 жыл бұрын
Songbirdo What are some of the earlier lectures you are referencing? I would like to watch them.
@alexrockwell24119 жыл бұрын
Songbirdo I think I've watched every video and Dan was worst in this one by FAR. It was the only one I got annoyed enough to stop watching. He needs to be banned from future lectures, he pretty much ruined this one.
@noahdoss19679 жыл бұрын
Love Lee Changho, would love to study, maybe Nick only subtitles would be nice and I could watch it on mute while listening to music, would kind of solve two of my problems at once...
@dantescanline9 жыл бұрын
Nick, you're a saint :)
@kenshin7679 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I remember reviewing this game in 2005. It never gets old how awesome it is.
@FischerOratoria6 жыл бұрын
15:09 THE BEST MOMENT
@opiumfish138 жыл бұрын
Great video. Learned a lot. That old dude on the left was mad obnoxious though. Kept interrupting with useless commentary.
@SedoKai8 жыл бұрын
you have an unbelievable amount of patience, sir. I can't explain basic things to or deal with interruptions from weaker players over and over like you do without getting incredibly irritated.
@andriypredmyrskyy77913 жыл бұрын
The title refers to Nick.
@Fanaro9 жыл бұрын
How drunk was that guy? lol
@user-fy6il2ig2f7 жыл бұрын
Like Nick's smile so much. Make the game easy and fun!
@Disosway10 ай бұрын
42:50 is amazing. This whole sequence is amazing. Love the idea of defending cuts by threatening the already in place cutting group. But holy shit I thought people were giving dan a hard time again, cause usually it isn’t that bad, but it was that bad. Does he think he’s stronger than Nick? Why go to his class if you’re gonna disagree with him on everything.
@TakanashiYuuji9 жыл бұрын
Thanks NIck
@burhan87959 жыл бұрын
Nick, do you have longer versions of the beginning and ending soundtracks of your videos?
@RatatRatR7 жыл бұрын
11:10 -- barely 10% through the video -- this guy in the crowd is officially impudent, dragging his noisy-ass food bowl up to block the camera and argue about the board position. Then he mutters, "Let's just see what happens." Gee, do you think so? Might that be why you're sitting and watching the teacher demonstrate the game that he's chosen to show you?
@busyhoneybee45178 жыл бұрын
Lee changho is outfighter, while Lee sedol is infighter.
@JW-yc3ub8 жыл бұрын
at 44:11, why didn't black play 14-16, forcing the white to block the escape route, and then atari to secure the left side of the framework?
@khornekharnath18939 жыл бұрын
great lesson as always, thnx alot!
@philipripper15229 жыл бұрын
Khorne Kharnath I agree.
@smrgLucas9 жыл бұрын
how can you eat soup with chopsticks?
@philipripper15229 жыл бұрын
Lucas Samaruga With wooden chopsticks, the moisture will eventually be wicked up them, and if you have the patience of a stone buddha, you could probably have your soup that way.
@michaelorlev99254 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what game this is? How can I find the kifu?
@BucketBauce2 жыл бұрын
Dan pretty badly needs an ego check
@WOok2a7 жыл бұрын
Dan!!
@derekshepard95257 жыл бұрын
What's the most effective way to memorize a pro game?
@lukeo.66819 жыл бұрын
It is somewhat disappointing to see so many negative comments from players of a game partly about respect and enlightenment, directed towards the class-member in the video. Interaction is a large part of learning go, and it would be unfair to request the students present to restrain their inquiries for those of us watching online. Instead of describing the behavior as simply "annoying", i recommend listening to the suggestions, listening to the teachers response and using it as a further learning experience. And trust the teacher to gently redirect or control comments once he feels it is not constructive towards the lesson.
@BTHobbies9 жыл бұрын
Luke Otfinowski Interacting and engaging is wonderful for learning. Many times the students interrupted the presentation to ask questions or get more clarification on points they don't understand. That's very different from interrupting to assert, without any evidence or justification, that the teacher is wrong, or that the consensus of professional opinion (as related by the teacher) is wrong. Dan isn't asking questions; he's interjecting his unfounded opinions. That doesn't help his learning, the learning of anyone in the classroom with him, or the learning of those of us watching online.
@lukeo.66819 жыл бұрын
Brian Terrel That may be true Brian. Nonetheless doesn't it make you feel ill at ease reading all the things people posted that they would never resort to saying if they were there, in person. We all know that youtube comments are where respectful discourse goes to die, but i would like to think this channel is a rare respite from the norm..
@BTHobbies9 жыл бұрын
Luke Otfinowski People on the internet are, generally, jerks. See the GIFT. It doesn't exactly make me ill at ease; it's just what happens. I've been in classes with folks like Dan, and I've taught classes with students like Dan. If they aren't shut down, they will absolutely destroy the learning process for everyone else present. Folks here are sending the signal to Nick that not enough is being done on that front. That signal is being amplified a bit because of the nature of the internet. While that may be unfortunate, I'm glad that signal is being sent. I would add that I think it is a deficiency of our cultural norms that nobody in the room felt empowered to tell Dan to knock it off. Far to many excellent learning opportunities are squandered because nobody is willing to shut down someone's misplaced ego. I really sympathize with Nick here. Teaching with that sort of student in the room is incredibly frustrating.
@lukeo.66819 жыл бұрын
Brian Terrel I have not been in that sort of position as a teacher, so i am unqualified to say anything on that front. Though as an observer i think Nick handled it well. As a student, or viewer, i would have been made much more uncomfortable if a student was reprimanded out front, either by the teacher or another student. I am sure words were exchanged off-camera, and truly we do not know the dynamic that is there in the classroom. All that aside, as you have said, the internet can truly be cruel. Hope your game is improving! What rank do you hover around and where do you play
@olleicua9 жыл бұрын
Luke Otfinowski I normally agree with you but in this situation Dan is actively preventing a large number of people (not just the people in the room but also everyone here on KZfaq) from gaining anything from the hard work that Nick put in to prepare for this lecture. Many KZfaq comment threads suffer from commenters disrespecting content creators who worked hard to provide free content. You are correct that this channel ought not work that way and it doesn't. Nick has worked hard to create this lecture and it has been ruined by a troll. It just so happens that the troll wasn't on the internet, he was in the room, actively ruining the video.
@mitchellmckain83735 жыл бұрын
Dan is ruining this lecture series for me. I don't know how much more of that I can take before I lose interest altogether.
@mitchellmckain83735 жыл бұрын
I think I would prefer commercials. At least the commercials stop.
@totalhenry9 жыл бұрын
My dream is for you one day to say that tengen is a good move. That being said if Lee Sedol played Tengen you would say that it is a good move so how come when I 14kyu like me please it I get yelled out :)
@RatatRatR7 жыл бұрын
Man, if I were teaching this crowd, I would institute some policy like "only pausing for your comments every now and then, when I want to." Otherwise, shut up and let me show you the game I chose.
@sportsmen45692 жыл бұрын
I stand it to 1:02:05 ... I think I have done great :3
@hironakae9 жыл бұрын
rofl was that ramen??
@Xpertman2138 жыл бұрын
Dan's the real MVP
@mueezadam84386 жыл бұрын
49:18
@peterlee30465 жыл бұрын
i really would love another video of this game because dan was just too distracting
@adambirch64669 жыл бұрын
I'm incredibly disappointed with the tenor of the comments on this video. Nick records and uploads these lectures for free and is under no obligation to do so. Again, these lectures are here, for you, for free. The people in the room at the Go center are the reason these lectures exist in the first place and a little respect is in order. If you have concerns about the quality of the videos, a polite email to Nick might be appropriate, making fun of and deriding one of his students in the comments is obviously not. You're Go players, behave like it.
@philipripper15229 жыл бұрын
Adam Birch Thank you.
@RatatRatR7 жыл бұрын
"a little respect is in order." That's actually the same point the commenters are making.
@tyrvaldfenrischain79676 жыл бұрын
RatatRatR I agree - if I felt taken out of the game and disjointed, then must not the other students also be losing out? There is a considerable amount of material to go over, and sometimes lengthy, constant, or insubstantial interruptions aren't helpful.
@Tristram277 жыл бұрын
Dan ruined this video! xD
@requireloginisstupid6 жыл бұрын
Shush dan!
@StopFear9 жыл бұрын
Guys, these are good lectures. In fact some of the best in English anywhere. But you need to tone down on the humor and constant hehe, haha, stuff. It makes it very difficult to follow and is irritating. If you watch professional chess instruction videos , most of the teachers are serious and focused on the game. Maybe alternate some lectures with humor and others with less humor.
@dominikboviz73219 жыл бұрын
This is the first time i watch Nick's video. His style of talking, etc is very annoying, idk if its just me... I have no idea of his rank. I think he says so many times stupid things, about what is bad or good, maybe he is just joking, but if not...
@NickSibicky9 жыл бұрын
Dominik Bővíz I'm definitely a little annoying!
@dominikboviz73219 жыл бұрын
Nick Sibicky I will detail what im talking about, because i dont want to be rude. Your style is one thing, but on other videos i checked now, it wasnt that annoying. I just watched the beginning and the end of this video, two things i saw: you were criticizing the left side of white, in the start of the game, it may look not so good, but the tiger-mouth-keima has a big influence, thats why it was good. At the end of the video, you were talking about how bad the sanrensei plus light 4th line base on the left formation is, but why? It is completely good, influence style opening, even if it isnt popular nowadays. Anyway, in the very start of the game, I think saying something is BAD, is just wrong, if it is not the second or first line for the first move...
@TakanashiYuuji9 жыл бұрын
Dominik Bővíz I think your level of understanding of the game might surpass the benefit for kyu players. Nick is a 5-dan player and his lectures are aimed at double digit kyus. I don't think I quite understand your criticism of Nick's analysis of the sanrensei. Lee Chang Ho loses the game so there is probably something wrong with it. You mention it's a good influence opening, but Lee Chang Ho doesn't play for influence, maybe that causes some friction?
@Hedopom9 жыл бұрын
TakanashiYuuji Nick is a 5d player? If losing a game makes an opening bad, then every opening is bad. Saying it is BAD opening is wrong for sure, since it was only a very few moves, and it was a joseki, and a sanrensei. You may say it is not popular nowadays, but maybe it will be in 2030... The best move in your game is always the move that makes you win your own game, and if we talk about kyu players then it is even more suspicious to say this opening is just bad.
@TakanashiYuuji9 жыл бұрын
Hedopom sanrensei isn't bad, but combining it with the formation on the left side of the board is. That is how I interpret Nick's explanation. Either formation isn't bad per se, just the combination. Considering this is a pro-game review I'm sure Nick did his homework. I accept that Lee Chang Ho's openings are considered bad as fact. I disagree that the best move is the move that makes you win the game. Go isn't about winning games, it's about learning. Figuring out what, objectively, is the best move. There might be a move where your opponent flounders and wins you the game. That's not the sort of move I'd be willing to learn though.